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Padres, Nick Martinez Agree To Three-Year Deal

By Anthony Franco | November 16, 2022 at 9:46pm CDT

Nov. 16, 9:46pm: Lin reports the full contract breakdown, which goes well beyond a traditional deal. According to the Athletic, Martinez will make $10MM next season. At the end of the year, the Friars have to decide whether to trigger successive $16MM team options for the 2024-25 campaigns — essentially a two-year, $32MM option. If the team declines those options, Martinez will have to decide whether to exercise successive $8MM player options — a two-year, $16MM guarantee — or test free agency next offseason. The deal also contains various yet-unknown incentives and escalators that could boost the price of both his 2023 base salary and those of the option years.

It’s an atypical but not completely unheard of contract structure. The deal resembles one signed by James Paxton with the Red Sox last winter, which gave Boston a two-year club option that, if declined, would leave Paxton to decide on a player option or trip to free agency.

It’s technically a three-year, $26MM guarantee, as previously reported. Player options are treated as guaranteed money, so that $16MM plus his $10MM base salary for next year counts as the $26MM total. For luxury tax purposes, it’s calculated as an $8.67MM average annual value. However, if the Padres were to exercise their option, Martinez would be paid $42MM over the next three years (plus any incentives he reaches). Depending on the option decisions, he could reach free agency again next offseason having collected $10MM or play things out in San Diego for three years at either $26MM or $42MM.

Nov. 16, 7:43am: Jon Heyman of the New York Post tweets the deal is a three-year, $26MM contract with incentives to boost that base-level guarantee.

Nov. 15: The Padres are in agreement with free agent righty Nick Martinez, tweets Jon Heyman of the New York Post. Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of the Athletic (Twitter link) were first to report the sides were making progress on a new contract. Martinez, an Octagon client, had opted out of the final three years on his previous deal with San Diego last week. It’s a new three-year deal for Martinez, Lin reports (Twitter link). Unsurprisingly, he’s expected to top the $18MM he left on the table when he triggered his opt-out provision.

The 32-year-old will stick with the organization that signed him to a four-year guarantee last offseason. That deal, a surprisingly strong sum for a player who’d spent the prior three seasons in Japan, reunited the former Ranger hurler with longtime Texas executive A.J. Preller, who’s running baseball operations in San Diego.

Preller and his staff’s affinity for Martinez paid off, as the Fordham product acclimated well in his return to the big leagues. He began the year in the rotation, starting 10 of 12 appearances through the middle of June. He posted a solid 4.03 ERA in 60 1/3 innings, striking out a roughly average 21.9% of opposing hitters. Martinez walked batters at a slightly elevated 10.4% clip but was a generally solid back-of-the-rotation stabilizer.

The Friars nevertheless elected to kick Martinez to the bullpen at that point, preferring to rely on a rotation of Yu Darvish, Joe Musgrove, Blake Snell, Sean Manaea, Mike Clevinger and MacKenzie Gore. Even after Gore was injured and subsequently traded to the Nationals, San Diego kept Martinez in relief. That’s in large part due to his effectiveness, as he was particularly valuable for the club working in shorter stints. In 46 innings across 35 appearances from that point forward, he posted a 2.74 ERA while holding opponents to a putrid .211/.282/.333 line in 188 plate appearances.

Dominant as that showing was, Martinez didn’t experience the same kind of boost most pitchers do upon working in shorter stints. His strikeout rate actually dipped relative to his early-season mark, falling to 20.2%. His velocity did jump, but the bigger change in his profile was improved control. Martinez only walked 7.4% of batters faced upon a full-time conversion to relief; he also induced grounders on almost half the batted balls he allowed during that stretch.

Altogether, Martinez’s return season in the big leagues consisted of 106 1/3 innings of 3.47 ERA ball. He fared better in the bullpen but had success in both roles. Heading into his age-32 campaign, he and his representatives were faced with one of the tougher opt-out decisions of the winter. The three remaining years on his deal contained a total of $19.5MM in guaranteed money while affording him the chance to opt out after each season. He chose to do so after 2022, collecting a $1.5MM buyout while giving him the chance to explore offers from other teams.

Even as he hit the market, Martinez and the Padres seemed to have mutual interest in a reunion from the beginning. Perhaps the bigger potential stumbling block than financial terms was the hurler’s desire to get a full-time rotation opportunity. Preller confirmed at last week’s GM Meetings that Martinez preferred to be a starter, but he stopped short of publicly committing him a rotation spot. Dennis Lin of the Athletic wrote at the time some in the organization believed Martinez was a better fit for relief work, but it seems likely the Friars will at least give him a chance to compete for a starting job next spring.

The enviable rotation depth San Diego possessed six months ago is now far thinner. Gore was traded, while Manaea and Clevinger struggled down the stretch and look likely to depart via free agency. Musgrove signed a five-year extension and is locked in atop the rotation for the future. Darvish and Snell are each under contract for one more season and presently look as if they’ll occupy the second and third spots, although Preller’s affinity for bold roster shake-ups at least raises the possibility one of those two could be dealt. Even if they return, Martinez would join Adrián Morejón, Jay Groome, Ryan Weathers and Reiss Knehr among the internal candidates for a back-of-the-rotation spot. Further bolstering the starting staff figures to be a priority for Preller and his group, even if they plan to legitimately consider Martinez for one such role.

Financial terms of the agreement are not yet clear. The Friars presently have around $204MM in estimated commitments for 2023, not including Martinez, per Roster Resource. Their projected luxury tax ledger is around $225MM, not far shy of the $233MM base tax threshold. It looks likely the Friars will exceed the CBT for a third straight season in 2023 — particularly since the rotation, first base and left field remain areas in question for the win-now club in the coming months.

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  1. Andrew Martin

    3 years ago

    LFGSD

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  2. CrikesAlready

    3 years ago

    He wants to be viewed as and used as a starter…

    I forget the player who did the same thing a decade ago to the Padres… Was it two decades ago, I don’t recall. What I do remember us that the guy wasn’t a starter, period. He was delusional.

    Once scouting reports circulate, he’ll be neutered like my dog with glass balls.

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    • GMoney2850

      3 years ago

      Tim Stauffer? Yeah, basically the same dude.

      Both quite mid

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        Ten years in the majors 3.97 ERA. 3.87 ERA as a Padre. And he was not near as good as Martinez was last season. Half a point of ERA is huge.

        You are just trolling, because anyone that actually knows baseball would not say what you have.

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        • GMoney2850

          3 years ago

          Imagine caring about ERA (especially the non-park-adjusted version) in 2022

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          Imagine not caring about ERA.

          Martinez park adjusted ERA was a 108 ERA+. Better than average.

          Imagine talking about stats and being made to look foolish with the stat you name?

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          That is not even taking into account who the Padres other starters were in 2009 when Stauffer was forced into starting duty.

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        • GMoney2850

          3 years ago

          ERA is a junk stat dude. Defense, park, sequencing, etc all out of a pitcher’s control.

          You seem mad tho. I guess 53 years of no rings will do that

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          Not mad. Having fun showing you just how little you understand about baseball.

          Used xFIP, your park, defense, and league adjusted stat, and it showed that you don’t understand it either.

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          But you seem to be getting mad since you can’t argue the stats. So you throw out juvenile references like rings. You don’t have a ring either. Neither does any fan on this board.

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        • JudgementDay

          3 years ago

          Nick helps the padres with being a starter or relief pitching. He is an important part of the Padres team last year. He didn’t cost the Padres too much in salary.
          Tyler Anderson, 32, is also an average pitcher that got 13 million a year from the Angels. He only had one good year and that was last year. If you did any research T.Anderson had an ERA of 4 plus every year except last year.

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        • The Fiend

          3 years ago

          It’s not as good or a measurement as for a starter, but to think it’s nothing is nearsighted. Why is everyone with a minuscule ERA really good then? Look at dominant pitchers throughout history and they’ve all got a low ERA. You’re in the 4s, you let too many people on base either way.

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        • The Fiend

          3 years ago

          And that deal will turn out horrible for the buy high Angels.

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        • Astros2017&22Champs

          3 years ago

          So a guy with a 5 era is a similar pitcher to a pitcher with a 2 era. Got it thx. All kidding aside. Wins and era still matter. Analytics taught us there not an end all be all stat though.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          Don’t be so sure…

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      • YourDreamGM

        3 years ago

        Like midi-chlorians?

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          Had to look that up. A Star Wars reference. Nice.

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        • .

          3 years ago

          DreamGm, Not as high a count as Anakin’s though.

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        • YourDreamGM

          3 years ago

          Nobody has a count that high. Not even Master Yoda.

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        • .

          3 years ago

          EP 1 is so under appreciated!!

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        • YourDreamGM

          3 years ago

          Used to be over appreciated. Not everyone (especially kids) hated jar jar. Not many noticed the racist characters. Effects weren’t bad until you had episode 2 to compare it too. Midi was interesting in explaining it now many wish it was kept magical or religious.

          I think it’s appreciated just right. I find Jar Jar and the kid to be about as annoying a character can get. Pod racing takes too long.

          Worth watching though for the fantastic opening scene and Darth Maul battle. Padme I find great. McGregor and the Taken guy are fantastic. Painted backgrounds are beautiful.

          Better than Disney ones imo.

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    • Pads Fans

      3 years ago

      Like you were?

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  3. Henry Silvestre

    3 years ago

    Didn’t Nick do something that has never been done in baseball history.. I dont remember what it was. But something like 8 starts 8 holds and 8 saves

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    • The Fiend

      3 years ago

      He 8 up the competition

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  4. VegasSDfan

    3 years ago

    We needed this guy for 2023

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  5. Crunchtime1969

    3 years ago

    Why as a Padre fan am I not that excited about this move? He got pounded as a starter. Bullpen okay, but not newsworthy IMO.

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    • damascusj

      3 years ago

      Must not have watched too many padre games…

      Once he got locked in, a lil before mid season, he was a very good RP and one of the most reliable arms in the bullpen.

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    • JackStrawb

      3 years ago

      1.548 WHIP as a starter. Gave up 2x as many walks in 52 v 54 innings.

      SSS caveats apply, but it’s not encouraging.

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  6. Yankee Clipper

    3 years ago

    Does this mean the Padres *were* the mystery team in this instance?

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  7. Jbigz12

    3 years ago

    I haven’t liked any of the FA reliever price tags so I especially expect to not like this one.

    Fine reliever—the best teams pump guys like this out internally.

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    • YourDreamGM

      3 years ago

      Padres pump them out as well. They just trade them away.

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      • Jbigz12

        3 years ago

        Cimber, Bednar, Munoz, Maton and Brash for the hell of it!

        Could’ve had all 5 for less than the price of these 2!

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          Who were they traded for?

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        • tstats

          3 years ago

          Let me see if I can get this right cause Preller makes a lot of trades.
          Clevinger, Musgrove, munoz and brash combined for Nola and the guy who hits a ton of guys, and Maton must’ve been part of the Clev deal? Wow I’m sure this isn’t right

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        • damascusj

          3 years ago

          Munoz and ty France for Austin Nola… Lol

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        • Henry Silvestre

          3 years ago

          You do realize that Nola is one of the main reasons we got as far as we did and it’s getting better and better at C.. any hitting he does is a bonus. BUT the game calling ..rapport with P and leadership behind the plate were Huge in 2022.. and he is cheap cheap…

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        • 99socalfrc

          3 years ago

          Maton was traded for exactly nothing. Basically a roster dump. Even for people who say “well he wasn’t any good” it just proves relievers are hot and cold, and shouldn’t be getting 3 & 5 year deals in their 30’s

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        • 99socalfrc

          3 years ago

          Ty France has hit .284 with a 127+ wRC since that trade. No level of denial is turning the Nola trade into a good one for SD.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Or the Clevinger trade or the Frazier trade

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        • BaseballisLife

          3 years ago

          When was Maton good? Don’t remember the hot part of that Hot and Cold.

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        • Brew’88

          3 years ago

          Also hard to fathom why Seattle made such a commitment to Frazier

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  8. Jbigz12

    3 years ago

    The padres window is short. They’ll do whatever they can now but they’ve depleted the minor league pipeline and now have to rely on paying guys deals like these.

    Teams built like this rarely stay in contention for extended periods of time because value simply isn’t there in FA. The biggest bang for your buck is your homegrown guys.

    Maybe the Pads will sneak into a WS next year and make it all worth it. The roster is good for now. Just not built for long.

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    • GMoney2850

      3 years ago

      Still have no depth, no LF, no 1B, no C, no DH, no 4th or 5th starter, and no money left.

      Preller, as always, thinks it’s a fantasy team where you can just pick up average players as you go, which is exactly why he’s finished sub 500 every year but the one he gutted his entire farm for

      Rough scene

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        You still didn’t answer my questions.

        When does the season start again? Tomorrow? No you say?

        Then why you worried about what the Padres have on the roster today. Seidler has proven he will spend to win and that he is willing to go above the CBT threshold again.

        Tatis, Grisham, Soto, Machado, Kim, Cronenworth, Nola. BEFORE any shopping can start.

        ROUGH scene For opposing pitchers.

        Darvish, Musgrove, Snell, Martinez, Groome, and Morejon BEFORE any shopping can even start.

        That would rank 13th in MLB in xFIP if it was the Padres 2022 starting pitching staff. What did their starting pitching rank last season?

        Rough scene.

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        • outinleftfield

          3 years ago

          Sure wish the scene in Anahiem was only that rough. That is a playoff team in SD with just minor tweaks needed. Unless a miracle happens and the sale of the team closes by opening day, I don’t think the Angels can compete in the AL West.

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      • Simm

        3 years ago

        You say no money left. Let’s see how much more they spend this off season. I feel confident they will continue to spend. For the last few years nobody thought they would spend the amount they have and yet they keep spending. Seidler the padres owner has said he doesn’t seem them as a small market club. They now are the only major sports attraction in town. If you think they won’t continue to spend you will be wrong.

        I fully expect them to add an outfielder, 1b, and 2 more starters this off season. On top of that make every attempt to extend darvish and Soto.

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        • Henry Silvestre

          3 years ago

          They’ll spend $30 mil or so more from what I am being told..they are also likely to save $7 mil (so net +$23 more vs CBT) by renegotiating Yu extension and non tendering Alfaro *$3.6… I expect them to add SP Senga (or similar Taillon/Walker) and sign Abreu or Bell..even make a trade or 2..

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        The Padres still have about $30 million to spend before going over the first luxury tax threshold and it stands to reason Preller will be given whatever is needed to keep the team competitive. Maybe it means no Aaron Judge or Justin Verlander or Jacob deGrom but we don’t really know if the Padres are swimming in those waters anyway.

        And as for having no Catchers, the Padres have 3 with Nola, Alfaro, and Campusano and could probably turn Campusano into one of the other positions they need to fill via trade

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    • Pads Fans

      3 years ago

      How many members of the Astros bullpen were home grown?

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      • Jbigz12

        3 years ago

        Between homegrown and cheap waiver wire pickups?

        The Astros paid 2 relievers a significant sum this past season. () Pressly and Neris. (Will smith too if you want to count his bad contract swap) The Astros work with players and make them better. That’s why they continually win. The Astros developed Pressly into the pitcher he is now.

        Same deal with Maton, Montero, and Ryne Stanek.

        I have no reason to believe the Padres are going to start doing this.

        & let’s not even touch on the Astros starters development v. All the guys the Padres have had to buy.

        No comparison.

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          The Padres have a history of making relievers better. Every year. Bad or unknown pitchers become good or even great relievers for the Padres. Hand. Yates, Suarez. Garcia. Martinez. Johnson.

          Good ones have improved. Stammen. Melancon. Rodney.

          In fact if you compare the two clubs, the difference before the reliever joined the team and while with the team is pretty dang close.

          Please don’t believe me. Take a look. Use whatever stat you like.

          ERA
          FIP
          xFIP
          ERA+

          The Padres have done an incredible job of helping their relievers improve. So have the Astros..

          The POINT is that the Astros bullpen was not homegrown.

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    • Henry Silvestre

      3 years ago

      It may seem that way.. But looking at the 3 studs in that trade for Soto.. “Bobby Barrels” won’t be ready til 24..Woods 25..and CJ was Blocked by Tatis for 10 yrs and Kim.. Gore has been hot and cold

      Meanwhile Padres have Merrill who many are saying maybe the #1 prospect in baseball and Pads are going to challenge him at AA San Antonio so 2024 ETA… Zavala CF had a terrific USA debut and is headed for A+.. there is a wave of arms some 4th -5th SP beginning in 23.. and going all the way to 2026-27..San Diego has 2 or 3 arms a year that can challenge for 1/5 SP spots..with 3 or 4 legit top of the rotation guys beginning to arrive in 24-25.. lastly 2 of the best Power if not the best.. tool prospects in baseball are in AA and soon to be A+.. how they develop would go a long way.. Did I mention Padres are signing #1 16yr old International player in January C Ethan Salas who is so advanced at Catcher and hitting that he may start at Lake Elsinore A ball as soon as his 17th birthday on June 1st 2023..Padres lost a lot..but the cup ain’t bare…and one thing we know is AJP is the best minor league system builder in baseball..

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      • BaseballisLife

        3 years ago

        Love your enthusiasm. Not sure you are correct in your takes.

        There has never been a 17 year old in A+ ball that I remember, so that would be something unique.

        Looking at the prospect ranking sites and the Padres system looks very top heavy. After 1-5, there is not much.

        Who are these guys that you say are coming?

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      • BeforeMcCourt

        3 years ago

        Not sure how the 83rd ranked prospect on mlb.com is seen by “many” as the best in baseball. At least not by anyone who’s opinion matters

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  9. 99socalfrc

    3 years ago

    Jesus is the Padres system so far depleted that they have no other option except praying that Suarez can excel for 5 years and Martinez for 3? Both seem like a reach.

    They’re almost $40m deep for 2023 for Hader, Suarez, Martinez & Pomeranz. Relievers are just too volatile for spending like that. Totally unsustainable

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    • GMoney2850

      3 years ago

      ^ knows ball

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        ^ Doesn’t know ball.

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        ^ Commenting on this article from 3 different accounts.

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    • Pads Fans

      3 years ago

      Not in the top 10 in bullpen spending.

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      • 99socalfrc

        3 years ago

        LOL what? They were #8 in bullpen spending LAST year. That’s before Hader goes to his final year of Arb, Suarez salary is basically doubled, Martinez getting a raise.

        Sorry you don’t understand that teams with long term success don’t spend on the bullpen like this.

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          You seem to think its static. As of today, they are not in the top 10 for bullpen spending in 2023 and that includes Hader’s projected arbitration raise and Suarez’s contract.

          Martinez wanted to be a starter and half his innings were as a starter in 2022. We will have to wait to see both what he will make and what he does.

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        • 99socalfrc

          3 years ago

          Yes they are in the top 10 right now. The highest bullpen spend last year was the Dodgers at $41m. Only 4 teams surpassed $30m.

          Hader, Suarez, Pomeranz & Martinez alone totals $35m in 2023. For FOUR guys.

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        • outinleftfield

          3 years ago

          How much does Diaz make again? 5/102 plus buyout on the option, right? How does that compare to Hader, Suarez, and Pomeranz? Please correct my math if its wrong. Hader $13 million in arbitration according to this site. Pomeranz $8 million according to Cots Baseball Contracts. Suarez $10 million according to the rumors on this site. So $20 million and change for Diaz and $33 million for those 3 on the Padres. I think the Padres will start the season with Martinez as a starter and this article seems to agree, and no one knows what he will make, so not going to include him in that group. Just curious if you included Price in that $41 million by the Dodgers. He was making a ton. $32 million I think. Kimbrel was making $16 million. That is $48 million between the two of them. Oh, and Hudson. What was he making? $7-8 million.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          Weren’t you just talking about how the season doesn’t start tomorrow? Why are you using 2023 spending now? Oh, cuz you just do whatever is convenient for your argument…gotcha.

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        • Henry Silvestre

          3 years ago

          Except Martinez is SP for 23

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        • Henry Silvestre

          3 years ago

          And is part of the process.. at least $30 mil drops off after 23.. Hader — Suarez replaces him..Pomz – hasn’t pitched so any arm replaces him.. could still be a Spring Traininng type trade by AJP or a keep If he shows healthy.. Garcia -38 and Wilson showed he can handle 7th/8th ..I am sure AJP brings in a Vet or 2..but we got a Ron of power arms ready to step up

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    • dvmin98

      3 years ago

      Don’t have to be sustainable when two of the four you mentioned could be off the books after next season.

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    • Henry Silvestre

      3 years ago

      Padres Bullpen and Minor league BP arms maybe the deepest in baseball..

      Wilson was a rookie..Morejon still in his 1st couple yrs.. Baez is in taxi squad.. Felipe/Cosgrove/Jakob/Castillo/and a slew of others are ready to compete for spots.. our AAA bullpen can probably beat 1/3 of MLB bullpens right now.. Bullpen for the next decade is the least of the Padres worries

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      • outinleftfield

        3 years ago

        How is Avila doing? He still with the Padres?

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        • dvmin98

          3 years ago

          He was just added to th 40 man. He is just an innings-eater when up. Spot emergency starter or long man.

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    • Brew’88

      3 years ago

      Martinez was just signed as a starter so remove him from your estimated RP budget

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  10. B4Pilgrams

    3 years ago

    Solid pitcher. Stat geeks opinion are funny.

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  11. notnamed

    3 years ago

    raise your hand if you muted the guy with the limish green profile picture

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  12. outinleftfield

    3 years ago

    Long article. Lots of comments. We still don’t know what he will be paid.

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    • .

      3 years ago

      I don’t even understand the contract…He must be really good to get something so special.

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  13. Henry Silvestre

    3 years ago

    Only stat that matters 2022 post season 6 IP 1 hit 0 Runs… 8 strikeouts..

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      3 years ago

      1. That’s more than one stat
      2. Ha

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  14. User 3663041837

    3 years ago

    Good for the Padres to keep both relievers. They’ll have an excellent bullpen.

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  15. Simm

    3 years ago

    My guess is the padres will add another 2 starters. Could see them using Martinez in a 6 man rotation to start the year like they did last year. They could always throw him back in the pen if needed. He is a good option if someone gets injured and they need to go back to a 5 man rotation.

    Pitching prices are going to be high this off season. So many teams need pitching starters and relievers. Lots of teams with money to spend.

    The padres learned in 2021 you can never have enough starting pitching options.

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    • outinleftfield

      3 years ago

      My guess is the Padres try Martinez as a starter to begin the year. They also add one more starter this offseason. Maybe Senga. More likely someone like Manaea or Taillon or Walker. Then if one of them doesn’t pan out or gets hurt they go after a starter at the deadline using that BP depth.

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      • Simm

        3 years ago

        You aren’t usually getting a very good starter at the deadline trading bullpen depth. Only teams that want bullpen help at the deadline are teams in the playoff hunt and they aren’t trading quality starters.

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  16. James Midway

    3 years ago

    Solid pickup number 4/5 starter. Did well out of the pen. Padres have to pay free agents more because of the stupid high California taxes.

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  17. GMoney2850

    3 years ago

    26 M + incentives lol. 43 M now allotted to bullpen arms for 2023

    Ooooooooof

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    • 99socalfrc

      3 years ago

      Pretty obvious at this point that the front office has fallen in love with guys just because they were on the team that made some noise in the playoffs. I really like Suarez and Martinez but these are overpays for guys with laughable MLB innings counts.

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    • Simm

      3 years ago

      Except they plan on starting Martinez. 8m for a back of the rotation starter is fine.

      Even if he ends back up in the pen who cares about the cost of their pen. They are going to spend to win.

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  18. BaseballisLife

    3 years ago

    I think Preller is an idiot as often as not. With that in mind can you show us a GM that doesn’t lose some of their trades?

    I’m not as up on Padres trades as you obviously are. Would you say that Preller won the Snell trade? Rays fans are certainly saying so. Patino is a a bust. Can’t stay healthy and when he is healthy he has been terrible. Wilcox had TJ. Mejia is a backup catcher that is bad on defense. And Hunt. Well, he was left off the 40 man so the Padres can get him back if they want.

    Like most GMs, I’m sure Preller has other wins to go with his losses like the Nola trade.

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    • LFGMets (Metsin7)

      3 years ago

      I’d rather have a GM that takes risk when they think they have a chance to win it all over someone that does nothing with the same chance (Billy Eppler)

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      • benhen77

        3 years ago

        Not sure I buy that argument on Eppler. Sure, he didn’t acquire a superstar at the deadline, but he did get some complementary pieces to strengthen an already elite roster. (And got Scherzer in the offseason). The fact that they pissed away the division at the last minute is on the players, not the FO.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          @benhen77 Eppler failed to put the Mets in a position to win. He had FIVE, count ’em starting pitchers, all with recent histories of coming up short on innings, or dead arms at the end of the season, or missing significant time, if not total collapse…

          So instead of being smart and spending his substantial capital (six useful or interesting players) on a difference maker on the mound, a #3 or better starter capable of starting in the postseason, he did exactly what useless employees do: he covered his arse. Spackle here, touch up paint there…

          In fact the Mets have no need for top 100 prospect (and perennial .300 OBP guy) Ronny Mauricio, so they could have added him to the pot of six, and gotten a real ballplayer. In addition, we can add JD Davis to the ever lengthening list of players the Mets (now Eppler) gave away for roughly nothing, who promptly turned it around (140 OPS+, a career high) after leaving the team. Smart too, wasn’t it, to wait on bringing up all of Baty, Vientos, and Alvarez for critical games so late they never entirely shed that deer in headlights look.

          Billy Eppler is a nice guy, maybe, but he’s not someone you want anywhere near the important decisions regarding talent an MLB club has to make. Cohen would do well to interview Click and see if President of Baseball Operations sounds good before Eppler, the only GM ever draft-trolled by his previous employer, starts pulling the trigger.

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        • LFGMets (Metsin7)

          3 years ago

          @JackStrawb I just want to say, I’ve been saying exactly what you said all season and you have made the most sense out of anyone on this site. Some people can’t get their head around that trading for a 300 pound big mac and having relievers like Drew Smith or Stephen Nogosek isn’t going to win you any games. If I could like your comment a million times I would

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          @LFGMets (Metsin7) Kind words, brother, and much appreciated.

          If there’s cause for (mild) optimism it’s that a huge payroll helps keep guys like Nogosek (and Jerad Eickhof, the bane of my 2021 for how he typified those 77-85 Mets) off the field. The 2021 Mets gave more than 230 innings to pitchers with ERA’s over 5.00. In 2022 it was closer to 160 innings. These are the guys who kill you by putting games out of reach, guaranteeing the “L”. Alderson never understood this. He routinely punted the back end of the roster, and his negative WAR players cost his Mets teams somewhere between 6 and 10 fWAR per season, in one case completely zeroing out one of deGrom’s Cy Young seasons.

          I don’t think Eppler really understands how the Nogoseks of the world (and Shreves, Lopezs, and Reid=Foleys) can cost you a title, but Click did, and Friedman and Gomes in LA surely do.

          How many innings did the Dodgers give to guys with ERA’s over 5.00 in 2022? Twelve. Just twelve innings, if you can believe that. They refuse to give in at the margins and let guys play who will actively lose them games. We need a GM and PBOPs who understand the importance of this even as they spend $300m on the MLB roster..

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  19. Didlz

    3 years ago

    Wow what a big overpay for a guy who isn’t that great and for a team that has no payroll flexibility

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    • outinleftfield

      3 years ago

      You may want to scroll up. That has already been covered ad naseum. Bottom line is he is a good pitcher.

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      • Didlz

        3 years ago

        You may want to scroll up. We have only known the details of the contract for the past hour. And he’s a below average fringe starter being paid more than guys better than him will be paid. Don’t ever try to correct me again, btw.

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          The information he was referencing was cut because the person who started the thread was either banned from the site or they deleted every one of their comments on this and other threads.

          I posted the information. In detail. If you would like I can repeat it for you here.

          Here is the gist. Martinez is better than average as either a reliever or a starter or overall since he did both. Pick your favorite stat, ERA, ERA+, FIP, xFIP, K%, BB%, contact rate, hard hit ball%, fWAR, bWAR. All better than league average.

          And he is only being paid 3/26. Even if it was the 3/30 that the writers of this site thought it might be, its still reasonable for a back of the rotation starter that is above average in every regard. .

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        • los_leebos

          3 years ago

          @Dild, I was gonna keep scrolling, but read that last sentence and I must inform you that payroll flexibility is a fairly subjective metric at this transitionary moment for the organization. The payroll has increased rapidly over the last couple years, but none of us actually know if the team is already pushing the upper limit of spending comfort, or if they are still on their way up. So to say the team has no payroll flexibility is unverifiable and you are in need of correcting.

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  20. taylor

    3 years ago

    Only 8.67 counts towards the cap…

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  21. outinleftfield

    3 years ago

    All I can say is wow. The Padres just reduced their cap hit and can limit their liability to 2/16 after 2023. You watching Minassian?

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    • Didlz

      3 years ago

      8.67 is not less than 6, dingus

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        Now ask him why he comments as outinleftfield, Pads Fans and BaseballIsLife on the same thread!

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        He wasn’t making $6 million. He was guaranteed $8 million. His $6.5 million 2022 salary and a $1.5 million buyout of 2023 when he declined the player option.

        Now his salary for 2023 is $10 million which is also the Padres CBT hit.

        The rest is options so they cannot be counted towards the CBT until the team exercises its $16 million options for 2024-2025 or Martinez opts out or exercises his $8 million options for 2024-2025.

        As long as he pitches as well as he did in 2022, that is a Padres win. I can’t see a scenario where it pays for them to exercise their $16 million per season team options.

        After 2023, the Padres either have a starter that pitched so well that he believes he can get more than $8 million per season for the next 2 years and someone else gets to take the risk on his age 33 and 34 seasons while giving him more money or the Padres get his production at an extremely reasonable $8 million per year.

        Only under that last option does his AAV become $8.67 million per season.

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        • GMoney2850

          3 years ago

          Martinez 5.26 FIP, 0.0 fWAR in 10 starts. But yeah, “above average” lmao

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        • BaseballisLife

          3 years ago

          Wait. Aren’t you the xFIP guy? Martinez had a 4.37 xFIP as a starter.

          His FIP was 5.16, not 5.26. Might want to get that right.

          Trying to use WAR for 10 starts shows a complete misunderstanding of the stat. My question would be how does that compare to other starters with 50-60 IP?

          Not sure why you have such a hard on for Martinez. He shtupping your favorite sock?

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        • BeforeMcCourt

          3 years ago

          so you pretend a 0.10 discrepancy in a FIP over 5 is relevant, then immediately claim the other guy is the one with the complete misunderstanding of a baseball statistic? Phew that’s ripe

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  22. Henry Silvestre

    3 years ago

    Martinez best friend in Japan Senga
    Suarez best friend in Japan Senga
    Yu mentors and offseason workout partner Senga

    Hmmm AJP is a freaking genius…SENGA SENGA SENGA..its all about Senga

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  23. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Is it in Martinez’s contract that his contract has to be needlessly complicated?…

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      From reading the article it seems like he is following Bloom’s example. 🙂

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  24. joes-6

    3 years ago

    Preller will continue to keep his job, somehow, despite failing through all the $’s spent. Will totally deplete his farm system (may have already) for the guy who takes his place.

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  25. GMoney2850

    3 years ago

    Martinez 5.26 FIP, 0.0 fWAR in 10 starts. But they want him to be a starter. Lmao

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      Wait. Aren’t you the xFIP guy? Martinez had a 4.37 xFIP as a starter.

      His FIP was 5.16, not 5.26. Might want to get that right.

      Trying to use WAR for 10 starts shows a complete misunderstanding of the stat. My question would be how does that compare to other starters with 50-60 IP?

      Not sure why you have such a hard on for Martinez. He shtupping your favorite sock?

      I like C&P. Makes it easier to answer people who repeat themselves.

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      • BeforeMcCourt

        3 years ago

        And easier to look like a fool repeatedly!

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