Carlos Correa is undergoing his physical with the Mets today, agent Scott Boras announced to reporters (including Lindsey Adler of the Wall Street Journal). According to Boras, the Mets are expected to take 24-48 hours to review the results (relayed by Anthony DiComo of MLB.com).
Under normal circumstances, a free agent who has agreed to terms with a team undergoing a physical would hardly be worth noting. In most cases, agreements are reported on before a deal is made official, with the physical a rubber stamp on the way to the official announcement. Of course, the Correa situation has been anything but normal. He agreed to a 13-year, $350MM deal — pending a physical — with the Giants on December 13. That was scuttled on Monday evening when the Giants found something in their examination of Correa that gave them pause. They reportedly wanted more time to look into the medicals but Boras quickly pivoted and secured a new deal with the Mets for 12 years and $315MM. It has occasionally happened before that deals have been scuttled by medicals but never with a player or contract of this magnitude.
The Giants are restricted by HIPAA laws from providing clear answers about the precise nature of the injury. President of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi released a very generic statement on the matter yesterday: “While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination. We wish Carlos the best.”
Various reports over the past 24 hours have indicated the Giants raised concerns regarded Correa’s right leg. As a prospect in the Astros organization, a then 19-year-old Correa fractured his right fibula while playing in High-A in June 2014. The injury required surgery and cost him the remainder of that season. Last night, Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic wrote about the dilemma and called San Francisco’s concern “pretty obvious” while linking to a 2014 Houston Chronicle story about the fibula fracture.
Jeff Passan of ESPN also indicates the right leg was the issue as part of a wider-ranging piece on the bizarre situation. According to Passan, San Francisco asked Correa’s camp for time to evaluate the issue after identifying their concerns in the physical on Monday night. The team postponed the press conference they’d scheduled Tuesday morning, one clearly designed to formally introduce Correa as a Giant after he signed his contract. That afternoon, the sides reengaged over the phone and the Giants informed Boras they weren’t prepared to keep their 13-year, $350MM offer on the table, Passan writes. San Francisco may have been willing to renegotiate a lower deal, according to Passan, but the decision not to abide by the originally agreed upon terms freed Correa’s camp to explore other opportunities.
In the hours after the Giants deal fell apart, Boras and his staff reached out to both the Mets and Twins. Last night, Andy McCullough, Ken Rosenthal and Will Sammon of The Athletic reported that Correa’s camp had been in touch with Minnesota before agreeing to terms with the Mets. The Twins, Correa’s incumbent team, had put forth a ten-year, $285MM offer earlier in the offseason. According to both The Athletic and ESPN, Minnesota expressed reluctance to move past that proposal on Tuesday evening — at least not without more time to evaluate the concerns raised by the Giants in their exam.
Not long after, Correa and the Mets hammered out the agreement. Both The Athletic and ESPN characterize negotiations as fairly direct between Boras, New York owner Steve Cohen and Mets general manager Billy Eppler. By the middle of the night, Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the sides were in agreement on their 12-year pact. According to McCullough, Rosenthal and Sammon, Mets manager Buck Showalter and numerous other team officials weren’t aware of the extent of negotiations, learning when they woke up Wednesday morning about the agreement.
That’s all subject to the Mets physical evaluation, of course. However, there doesn’t seem to be much concern within the New York organization about Correa potentially failing a second physical. Cohen discussed the agreement on the record with Heyman; as Andy Martino of SNY wrote yesterday, that’d open the Mets up for a potential grievance if they back out of the deal over concerns about the medicals.
Correa’s camp, predictably, has denied there’s reason for concern. “There is nothing with him that is currently any sort of medical issue,” Boras said this morning, per DiComo. The agent added the Giants were trying to use a “crystal ball” to predict Correa’s long-term health (via Laura Albanese of Newsday).
The right leg that apparently gave the Giants pause has never sent Correa to the injured list as a major leaguer. He missed the second half of the 2014 minor league season recovering from surgery but was back on the field at the start of the following campaign. Correa has had a few injured list stints in the majors, missing time between 2017-19 with a torn ligament in his left thumb, back soreness (twice) and a rib fracture. He also lost a bit of time this past season after bruising his right middle finger. Since making his MLB debut, Correa hasn’t had any IL stints related to his lower half. However, Passan writes that San Francisco’s medical professionals raised concerns about the long-term stability of his right leg, fearing he could quickly lose the lateral mobility that plays such a key role in his defensive projection.
It’s worth pointing out that there is some precedent for the Mets similarly striking down a deal with a player, just as the Giants have done with Correa this week. The Mets selected Kumar Rocker, also represented by Boras, 10th overall in the 2021 draft and agreed to a $6MM signing bonus until they grew concerned by something in his physical and the deal fell apart. Backing out of a $6MM bonus for a draftee and a $315MM agreement with a superstar are two different things, however, and Cohen’s on-record discussions of the Correa agreement reiterate the owner’s confidence in the exam going without issue.
It has been a rollercoaster for Correa over the past two years, having reached free agency for the first time after the 2021 season. He went into the open market seeking a deal of ten-plus years in length and over $300MM but didn’t find one before the sport went into a lockout in December. During that lockout, he fired his representatives and hired Boras. After the lockout, he still didn’t find the megadeal he was looking for, but settled on a three-year contract with Minnesota that paid him a huge $35.1MM annual salary and allowed him to opt out after each season.
After another solid performance in 2022, he returned to the open market and seemed to finally land the deal he wanted with San Francisco. That’s gone but he secured another within hours from the Mets. There’s one step to go, perhaps the most anticipated physical examination in baseball history.
Good luck, Mets doctors!
Just 27 more teams to go before he settles for a short-term, opt-out laden deal with the Twins.
Official medical review revealed a case of “oh god we just gave 13 years to Carlos Correa syndrome”.
They already know what was up with Farhan’s bs
>/ insert Key & Peele sweating from forehead GIF /<
lol
Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard
We need the real pros in on this…
“For Duty And Humanity”
“Let’s pluck him, and see if he’s ripe!”
“Broken back?”
Cohen: “add another 3 years and 85 million to the contract”
Mets called Dr. Phil to do the physical.
I was going to say Dr. Oz haha
Dr Herschel Walker
He’s got a badge saying that he could do medical examinations from university of Trump
Dr. Death
Dr. Kevorkian
Herschel Walker on the Carlos Correa situation:
“Y’all ever seen Breakin 2: Electic Boogaloo? Greatest medical film of all time. It’s a classic. I learned everything I needed to know from that movie and Carlton Corolla is the greatest fiscal spokesman of all time and he should get his Delorean long contraband.”
Doogie Howser M.D.
Dr. Jill lol
@gwynning unfortunately that title goes to dr. shipman
Dr. Pepper
I like the video they played on Hot Stove on the MLB network showing the Mets physical as patting a guy down before going into the ballpark.
Ironically a Giants usher. I’ve been patted down by the same guy multiple times, I recognized him immediately
What about Mr. Pibb? Dude didn’t even get his degree!
Dr Vinnie Boombatz
Should be interesting… Over-Under the Mets also find something (the same thing) that causes them to pause and reevaluate and then Correa’s reps release another statement denying there’s an issue using clear weasel language that basically admits there’s an issue?
Clearly his physical condition is bringing up red flags and there’s no reason it won’t with the Mets, too- Cohen might be financially brazen in pursuit of a World Series title, but there’s no reason to hand a winning lottery ticket worth a third of a billion dollars to a player who won’t be able to stay healthy and then will have to medically retire early and the team knew it going into the deal.
At some point Correa’s hubris can’t be enough to get someone to hand him the blank check he’s been demanding the last two years.
TTO, SD will have an offer on the table by 2am PST.
I just think Correa is over rated as it gets and can’t stay healthy. He’s made of glass and has gotten lucky powering through it a few times, but he’s only getting older. The way he talked about his age when he initially reached free agency was as if he’d be 26 for the next 10 years.
I think there’s a reason the Astros, the team that knew him best up to that point, only offered him 5 years- and not just because of a club policy on limiting contract lengths.
Anyway I think Correa’s underlying physical issues are going to become a more pronounced issue as he ages and he will never be worth the money he’s getting.
The fact that he’s only getting AAV’s in the range of $26M and change says a lot about the fact that he’s not as valuable as he thinks he is- and the extra years are just teams gaming the CBT system by stretching the AAV out, knowing the last 2-4 years or more are going to be worthless and he may very well have to medically retire only half way or slightly more through any of these proposed long term deals- which begs the question of why he’s getting these contract offers at all.
Seems like he should be getting offered 5 years/$150M or 6 years/$165M or so and nothing more and even that might prove an overpay in the long run. I do not get how he’s finagling these decade plus deals, period- even with teams stretching out the terms to lower the AAV.
Correa represents everything that is wrong with free agency.
Such a nauseating and nonsensical rant. We get it… You hate Correa and think baseball would be better without him.
Cool. I upvoted you. I get it. You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I’m an easy target. Yeah, you’re right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you… but I don’t like to hurt people’s feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I’m not changing. I like… I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. ‘Cause I’m the real article. What you see is what you get.
Ha such a great movie. Watched it Thanksgiving weekend for the 432nd time.
It’s become a recent annual watch for me the last few years- I think I had to get a little older to really appreciate it.
It’s a public forum so nobody should take what another poster says personally. I happen to disagree with you quite often. If you feel like I’ve taken things too far, I do apologize.
I’m not hurt, bro. I saw an opportunity to use an awesome quote from a movie that fit the moment. A lot of people around here don’t like that I am long winded. I totally get it.
And yes- you’re right, I do hate Correa.
I think there are a lot of players who get over paid and a lot of players who get under paid and I always wonder how different players manage to talk teams into over paying them or how their market mushrooms from like 4 years/$52M to 6 years/$150M, which does sometimes happen (like Patrick Corbin a few years ago, to a lesser degree Gerrit Cole a few years ago, etc.) and Correa is one player I’ve never understood-
A lot of guys with similar value to him seem to just get their deals worked out and that’s that, but his market has been this absolute sideshow clown circus high wire act and I don’t get why teams capitulate to him when everybody seems to agree he over values himself and everybody seems to agree the last 4-6 years of any of these proposed deals for him will be absolutely worthless.
LOL
We should pay special attention and check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Trea Turner: 0
Carlos Correa: -3
baseballsavant.mlb.com
They should keep loving the WAR with undisclosed factors, position adjustments and replacement budget and minor league talent big effect – not considering games played as a key factor.
“The fact that he’s only getting AAV’s in the range of $26M and change says a lot about the fact that he’s not as valuable as he thinks he is”
It actually says much more about teams wanting to keep his AAV down for luxury tax purposes.
Detroit set his yearly value with the highest offer on a long term deal last year. Seems every one but Correa agreed.
Thank you.
On these mega contracts the AAV only matters for tax purposes and bragging rights. It’s the total dollars that matter, and the years are often more than any front office exec expects them to be productive.
I find it so ironic that the Padres seem to be worried that Machado might opt out of his contract. That’s the best case scenario for them! They would have gotten the 5 best post-arbitration years at a relative discount, can get out before the last few ugly years, and they can sign another player to a similar contract! I understand the Yankees want Judge to be a Yankee for life, there is some value there, but X? Why didn’t the Padres give him the ability to opt out after 4 years? Why wouldn’t you give Correa or Turner the same?
You can same the same thing about pretty much every player getting a deal of that length. Think Bruce Harper is gonna age well with that violent swing? He won’t. He’s already gonna miss half of next season and missed half of this past season. Xander and Trea Turner are gonna be broken down in their age 38. 39. 40 41 seasons. At least Correa is hitting free agency younger than the rest of them. But long term deals are not gonna work out for any of these shortstops
If Harper misses half of every season and puts up those numbers, sign me up. The violent swing you cite also has nothing to do with missing time for getting hit by a pitch or tweaking your arm throwing. But the overall sentiment of your post is true.
What you see is what you get.
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WYSIWYG
That was the start of the 21st century computing.
I agree. I look at the 2 players discharged in the last 72 hours: Hosmer and Moustakas . That’s a micro of a macro for the contracts let out this year. There’s going to be millions paid to guys sitting on their couches in 6 years…
@TTO: You hate a player whom you’ve never met or had personal interaction with? How does that work? What damage has he caused you?
Pay no attention to anyone that thinks that defense can be accurately measured in a single season.
All except the Twins who offered 10/285.
WYSIWYG was the name of the computer class I was in during the latter half of the ’90’s. most of the geeks today don’t know the term.
If there is a real problem then why did the Twins offer him 10 years, $285m which is a HUGE investment for that franchise? They know his medicals FAR better than anyone but the Astros at this point.
Good point.
Valid point. I do not have an answer for that one. They figured he was worth the risk given his 2022 performance for them and that $28.5M is a massive discount on $35.1M a year?
Its $210 million dollars more than he was owed if he had not opted out.
I don’t think Mets doctors will have the same concerns. Giants doctors were being cautious. Good luck Carlos.
And the Mets Docs aren’t going to be “cautious” as well? What am I missing?
Trumbo, it’s all about risk appetite.
It’s why graterol went to LAD. Why Aiken didn’t sign, but was redrafted still somewhat high later on. Why some guys reworked deals to have mutual opt outs.
Could be SF isn’t willing to watch a non-‘new injury’ situation leave them with a Pedroia-esque situation on the books for the last 6 years of a deal, a guy who has physical ailments that just keep him from performing, handicap the club with a wasted 40-man slot that can’t be IL until ST starts.
For all we know, the club could’ve shopped around for insurance to cover the contract and got sticker shock at the premium quotes.
There’s a lot of moving parts that we aren’t privy to, and absent a candid release by correa himself (don’t hold your breath) we won’t ever know.
Who knows, maybe there were breast-implant style complications from the surgically implanted buzzer he got with the Astros?
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Boras will be in the examine room claiming he will sue if everything doesn’t come out as perfect for his client.
ARC HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Boras just goes so he can be the demonstration model for the prostate check portion of the exam. Does it for every client, every exam, every time.
giants changed their minds is what happened . nothing wrong with his physical.
Or they BOTH changed their mind..Equally as plausible right?
Correa didn’t have the option to back out of the agreement. If the Giants had executed the agreement in the agreed upon time frame, he would have been a Giant.
Only once the Giants backed out did Correa have an opportunity to talk to other teams.
i highly doubt Giants changed their minds. Something came up that they are worried about but can’t blame them 13 years on anything not perfect is a good reason.
nothing wrong with his physical.
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So did you gets a copy of the physical from Correa? And you have a medical degree?
Do you?
how would you know? Did boras tell you?
Well if that “decades old” injury pops up and it causes a problem for the Mets staff, at least they can pivot to Moustakas….
Not a bad consolation prize I guess….
Boras: “I don’t know what the Mets problem is! Correa suffered this injury in the early ’70s and he’s been playing through it ever since!”
He never said decades old injury. He said information. Players medical records often contain information that goes back to their teams or before if they had medical procedures.
I heard the Doc that is performing the physical lost a $500,000 bet on the 2017 WS…Good luck Carlos.
Why didn’t Pete Putila, formerly of the Astros, warn the SFG of the problem?
Not sure about that, but he looks like he will be the interim GM soon.
Putila was with Astros when they signed Correa and when he broke his leg. Wonder if his input made the SFG wary?
Doubt it. If it had, why did the deal get as far as it did.
Putila’s input would have come before the initial agreement on 13/350m.
Correa. Wow SF Giants complete ineptitude here is impossible to overstate
Zaidi’s looks like a complete Jackasss and the San Francisco Giants are now the officially the Laughingstock of MLB
Still giving that title to Oakland. At least, SFG made an effort on CC and Judge.
What if the Mets find something alarming? I know this is very doubtful, but do we take back all the bad thing we said about the Giants?
Sounds fair Von.
What if the Mets find something alarming and sign Correa anyway?!
Manny, if that was the case we would never know about it.
True. Cohen and Boras would never admit it.
Trumbo
Exactly!
Hahaha Another hour or 2 and the news will break: “Correa passes physical, OFFICIALLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH NY METS!” And then this story will be deader than a DoDo!
No doubt … at least until Correa lands on the Mets IL with an ankle problem.
No doubt … or until Correa wins a championship with the Mets and through time puts himself in the Mets record books “not very hard to do atm”
So many different ways to look at it. Nobody has the Crystal ball to say what will for sure happen one way or another, for now the Mets just really signed Carlos Correa!!! Ain’t that crazy lol.
whoops
@rhandome
You believe he won’t sign?
Sure, but they won’t.
You think the Giants know his medical state and history better than the Twins, who have had access to his records for months? The Twins were willing to put $285m behind Correa, and that is a far more significant investment for that franchise than the Giants or Mets.
I’m sure the Giants’ front office looks like fools to the rest of the baseball world right now.
Putila knew Corea’s med records as well
What about the portion of the article where the twins wouldn’t move forward with their 285m offer without time to vet the SF concerns?
True. Makes me wonder if they didn’t bother since they knew it’d be a one year deal the first time and now they’re like “oh right, maybe we should be sure about what we’re getting ourselves into…” And Correa/Boras was like “take it or leave it no medical vetting, you didn’t last time, you don’t get to this time.”
They wouldn’t move past their previous offer, not that they wouldn’t move forward with it.
Wonderful thing about a written word, it can be read different ways.
Does it mean wouldnt increase? Then why not write wouldn’t increase? Wouldn’t move past could also mean they wouldn’t move past having formerly made an offer that was declined and off the table once SF went to terms. That they wouldn’t move forward with a renewed offer.
I don’t buy that you are willing to go 10 years without a physical, but an 11th year, now that is something that requires special vetting. That 285m is OK, but 286m is a problem. Concern is concern, you’ve got it or you dont.
The Twins would not increase their offer without time to vet the Giants concern. The Twins did a physical a year ago and already have all his medical records. They would have vetted it with a phone call, not a physical.
Hard to imagine what would be truly alarming. The Twins just had him for a year and offered 10/285m. The Astros had him a lot longer than that and offered him 5/160m.
You’d think a website that’s been around a while would know how to prevent comments from posting half a dozen times.
For whatever it’s worth, I will no longer be deleting comments that MLBTR reposts and reposts, something I’ve probably done 100 times over the last couple of months. Just not an employee here.
SF Giants complete ineptitude here is impossible to overstate
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Stupid comment. How are the Giants supposed to know the results of his medical BEFORE he takes the medical?
Love Farhan!
Giants make two of the biggest offers in MLB history and are laughing stocks as a result? If I want to buy a house and find out the foundation is going to need replacing in five years, I don’t go through with the same deal I offered.
Giants never tossed the whole deal out, the reports are they want to rework the deal after finding an issue and within a short window “money isn’t an option” Cohen swooped in and said to hell with those concerns. Only thing I’d be knocking the Giants on is letting Rodon get away. They offered more money than anyone to both Correa and Judge, period.
Who will be the third team to play the Correa game?
SD 100%
It’d be hilarious if he fails this one too. Where next? Maybe the Bulls, their Dr’s suck. probably wouldn’t notice.
Pirates. No physical needed, Nutting is too cheap for team doctors.
Flyers
Dr. Vinny Boom Botz says he’s good to go.
Padres to sign Carlos Correa… tomorrow’s morning news
Correa reportedly nervous today when exam room materials consisted of x-large latex glove, tube of lube jelly, and microscope.
Will repeat what i said yesterday,
Can we blame Farhan for some baseball decisions over the last few years, absolutely.
Should he be fired, possibly…
but a contract of this magnitude, it was not Farhan who rejected it, it was ownership.
Farhan had little to no say in spending the owners 350 million.
Farhan , as well as most if not all other GMs have some small imput as to players who get these big contracts,
They can say we like the player for the team, or not.
but blaming Farhan, is silly.
As the public figure for the Giants, he gets the brunt of the criticism, but its not his money, and he is not the one who rejected the contract.
I imagine a lot of commentators on this site are good to great baseball fans.
But i would be surprised if most of them know who actually owns the Giants.
I feel like a lot of us know the owners of the teams we root for, and .a lot of team owners in the news a lot, Moreno, Cohen, Steinbrenner, etc.
I know i have followed baseball since the 60s, and i couldnt tell you all the actual team owners..
Most sports fans likely don’t know the exact arrangement of their team’s ownership (group). And likely a lot of that isn’t public info, either.
FOX News referred to Farhan Zaidi as the SF Giants’ “owner”!
https://www.foxbangor.com/national-sports/giants-owner-speaks-out-after-carlos-correa-deal-falls-through/
Technically a majority owner I suppose. So not incorrect although misleading.
Mike you are absolutely correct. Johnson got cold feet and asked his FO to find a way he could get out of the contract. They found an old and irrelevant injury and said we can use this.
What Johnson didn’t realize is that he just sunk his ability to sign any top free agents, especially any in the Boras camp.
@websoul – Doubt that’s true at all. Boras always follows the $$$.
When Boston signed JDM, they pulled out an old Lis Franc injury that hadn’t given an ounce of trouble in years at the 11th hour. With Boras. That deal still got done by adding opt-outs to both sides.
Boston insulted Xander multiple times, and lowballed to where they weren’t even the 2nd or 3rd best offer on the table in FA.
And yet, hours after posting, Boston signed Boras client Yoshi to what by all accounts seems to be an absurd contract.
Boras doesn’t care what you did before, if you’re offering a top money deal to a client he’ll push your offer.
Too many years & too much $$$ if there are health concerns. As a Giants fan, I’m glad the Giants moved on.
Did you grow up in Kona? I’m 50/50 that we know each other… haha
I thought everyone in Hawaii knew each other?
Break it down by island, and then breakdown the Big Island by East/West… and yeah, sorta! Now factor family and friend’s fams… and yeah, you start to know “everyone” except the Oahu riffraff ha
Hahahahaha Exactly as I imagined the dynamic to be!
Oops. I was getting an error message with instructions to try again later. I didn’t realize my responses went through. Apologies for the crazy duplicates.
EVERYONE on the islands is aunty or uncle.
Yes, except, you don’t want to call a woman aunty unless she is significantly older than you.
No. I’ve only been here 6 years – the best 6 years of my life. I actually live in Waimea & work in Kona. The best thing about Hawaii? Early NFL games start at 7 or 8 am depending on DLST and east coast MLB might games start at 1:30 om!
Nice braddha Lawrence! Do you take the upper or lower road to work? Love Waimea, so cool how the Wet-side/Dry-side dichotomy exists. Proud to say Kona is my hometown, love the early NFL Sunday schedule! Who’s your MLB team? Mele Kalikimaka
SF, nevamind, my brain is on Loco Moco mode since thinking of home. Aloha
No worries. We live on the dry side about 1 mile makai from HPA High School campus. I like take both roads, but, go lower most of the time – better chance to avoid an accident. Lots is tight spots on upper road. Don’t blame you for missing this place. I’m a haole & intend to die here. Not leaving for anything. Aloha!
No. I’ve only been here 6 years – the best 6 years of my life. I actually live in Waimea & work in Kona. The best thing about Hawaii? Early NFL games start at 7 or 8 am depending on DLST and east coast MLB might games start at 1:30 pm.
No. I’ve only been here 6 years – the best 6 years of my life. I actually live in Waimea & work in Kona.
No. I’ve only been out here for 6 years. I live in Waimea & work in Kona
No. I’ve only been out here for 6 years. I live in Waimea & work in Kona. Best 6 years of my life.
The fun begins! Kumar Rocker 2.0 now… It would be hilarious if he failed and lost another 35 million and signed with the Yankees.
I’m a Yankees fan and would love to have him but why would him losing money be hilarious?
Because he is a greedy person and because IMO Trea Turner >>> Carlos Correa and Correa is getting a higher guarantee (Carlos Korea if you think like Heyman)
You sound like an idiot
Twins have $285M on the table. Hal has pocket lint.
Since the Giants can’t talk about it, the leg issue might’ve raised concerns with their doctors over his back. From knowing a person with the same issue, over time leg weekness will cause back issues. They may have wanted to know if that is what is giving Correa occasional back issues.
Dr. Nick walks into the exam room: “Hi, everybody!”
OR….
Correa asks, Dr Nick Kroll….I presume….I thank God, doctor, I have been permitted to see you…….
Whoever signs him is going to regret it, it always happens this way.
Giants thought they were signing South Correa, Alas.
Is alcoholism or drug addiction a big enough concern to back out of a $300M contract? Apparently being a proven cheater isn’t enough to dampen concerns for free spending idiots like Steve Cohen and the SF Giants. Franky I think the Giants dodged an 8.0 earthquake of a contract.
So salty
LOL
Who’s Correa?
So Boras turned to a new deal worth less money in 12 hours when the Giants wanted a second opinion but give the Mets 24-48 hours? This situation gets weirder and weirder.
The Giants wanted to renegotiate. It’s a bush league tactic and Boras refused to play along, not only to protect Correa but also to keep this from happening in the future.
Play it the other way and see how it looks. The Giants announce the deal. A week goes by, then a few more days. Rumors and leaks of a bad physical and that Correa has to settle for less. The Giants would have all the leverage (not only has Correa already done the one year make good deal and doesn’t want to do it again, but they also would have harmed Correa’s perceived healthiness). Boras would have been lucky to “lose” only $35m.
It’s less money than a deal the Giants never intended to keep, at least a week after signing.
You missed the bay area report that Boras would not give the medical report unless he had an offer. Then scheduled a physical which took place on Monday. Tuesday was when the Giants called off the deal according to Boras the Giants never came back to negotiate. Sounds like they just wanted out of the deal.
Sounds odd. Teams will prep offers on the assumption a player is healthy or all his health issues are known, but those offers aren’t binding.
In effect, you as the team make the offer, and then it’s up to the player to allow his good health to be proven by examination before the offer can be considered binding.
As the article states, the Giants wanted to change the terms of the agreement, thus allowing Correa to look elsewhere.
Boras gave the Giants a week, about 4 days longer than most teams get. It was a big contract, so that was an ask worth granting. They wanted more tie after that but never got back to him with how much AND asked to renegotiate before discussing with Boras WHY they wanted to do so.
The Mets are getting the normal 72 hours from the time Boras for the letter of agreement. Took a few hours for the Mets plane to fly out to SF and pick up Correa and take him to see the Mets doctors for his physical. Then 24-48 hours to look over the deal.
That is how competent teams take care of this type of transaction.
Watch them fail his physical and tear up the deal
Posey – fractured fibula – retired at 34 and said he was in pain everyday.
Correa – fractured fibula …
Are Gs gun-shy or maybe they know what they’re looking at?
Posey had a lot of other issues.
Two diagnosed concussions and narrowly avoided a third. I’d quit too to actually enjoy some of those earnings and be able to walk for the rest of my life.
Correa has a lot of other issues too
The most anticipated medical exam in baseball history! Who says baseball is boring, this has more suspense than a Hollywood movie!
The fact that Borass moved to another team quickly tells the story. He was worried about something. I mean why the rush?
The longer this went on, the worse it would look for Correa. Boras knows the sports-media landscape and he knows how to negotiate. I doubt he was worried about Correa’s actual health, the Twins still wanted to sign him after all, and they know his health better than maybe anyone. He was worried about the perception and how that would affect value and so he acted fast to get his client a new deal before the story could even get out.
And he went to only two very particular teams- the last team that signed Correa to a deal and the wealthiest most free spending owner in baseball- the two teams least likely to utilize enough due diligence to raise concerns and lower the value or years on a proposed deal or back off entirely- something every other team was bound to do, even the Astros, who may have offered him 4 years/$128M or the balance of their original offer lol.
Except the Mets recently walked back an offer from a Boras client for medical concerns. You think Boras is calling the Mets because they won’t utilize enough due diligence? There is no evidence to support that, and in fact evidence to the contrary. You’re moving into conspiracy theory territory here.
He called the Mets because he thought he’d get the best deal from them. And he called the Twins because they were in on Correa before and it would have been a slight to not give the team that Correa last played for and seemed to enjoy a chance to match.
It’s quite laughable that a man worth $15B+, owns a hedge fund managing $26B with 1500 employees, and has a personal art collection worth over $1B doesn’t have handlers to do due diligence.
The tin foil patrol is out in force on this subject, isn’t it?
May be he met the Giants manager and decided to get the heck out of there.
Fail.
If the Giants had a concern with Correa’s back, I would understand it more but a leg injury from the minors seems like an excuse to back out of a deal that they regretted. If they were so concerned, why did they even try to re-engage at better terms? Meanwhile, the Mets may be less concerned about lateral movement from an injury that old if he’s playing 3b instead of SS anyway. I’m more concerned about his back holding up for 12 years than I am his old leg injury. But if the Mets win a WS in the next few years and Correa contributes to that, his contract will have been worth it to them even if years 8-12 aren’t good.
HIPAA isn’t playing a huge role in the Giants’ discretion. It’s mostly about the CBA. And the Giants’ general evasiveness.
Signing with the Twins next!
Watch Cohen hire the doctors that cleared Tua.
Honestly, I believe Correas wanted to go to the Mets… Cohen even admitted they were late to the party. Maybe by the time Cohen got involved a deal was already in place with the giants?? Anyway, I hate any owner that buys a team
So salty
This would look bad on him if he fails another physical. One year deal in the pipelines.
I thought HIPAA was thrown out with the COVID pandemic/dempanic
Are the Giants going to sign anybody else? I’m not so sure they are willing to spend the money they say they have. Bullpen, catcher, infield…. there are holes everywhere.
Mickey Mantle fell out of his crib when he was 2 years old and broke his arm but he still hit 536 Homers!
This contract from the Metsies seems more curious when it appears they mean to move Correa to third base, where Baseball Reference credits him with a single game in the minors (and 0.0 innings — figure that out, if you can) back in 2015. He’s never played third base in the majors.
There’s a common misconception that because shortstop is ranked atop the other infield positions on the defensive spectrum that anyone who plays shortstop can surely transition smoothly to first, second or third. Nope.
‘Cal Ripken began his career as a third baseman, moved to shortstop for 15 years, then moved back to third. “I used to get hit in the cup at third, then I moved to shortstop, and I never got hit in the cup,” he said. “Then I moved back to third, and got hit in the cup again.”
“I concentrated every pitch at shortstop, but you have to do it more at third,” Ripken once said. “You have to make yourself ready for your own safety. On a ball hit to third, you can’t afford to take a step back. You have to be like a hockey goalie. There’s some fear. And there is no comfort zone. You’re on edge. It’s a highly stressful, anxious position.”
‘No one played it better than Robinson, who won 16 Gold Gloves. He had great hands, and his body was seemingly relaxed at all times. He often took ground balls from his knees to get himself ready, and he was semi-ambidextrous: He writes and eats with his left hand.
“It’s much more difficult for a shortstop or second baseman to move to third than vice versa,” said Robinson, who was signed as a second baseman and moved to third. “At second and shortstop, you can position yourself after the ball is hit. You just don’t have time at third.”
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/7542963/there-easy-playing-third-base
Good luck to Carlos and the Mets (not to be confused with Bennie and the Jets). If Carlos is able to make the move to third and keep hitting, it’s all good. But it seems like a helluva gamble to issue a 12-year contract to a guy on the hope he can cover the hot corner with no experience at the position.
The most common position for a SS to move to is 3B. 72% of SS that have moved off SS permanently, not utility guys, moved to 3B.
Can you tell me where you found that percentage figure? I would have guessed that more shortstops moved to second base.
Honestly, I think Cohen’s pockets need a physical. That should take precedence over Correa.
@pwn
I know right? How daré he try to be better than your team. Shame, the Mets were doing so much better when the Wilpons had them. Said no one but the sad.
I congratulate Mets fans on having an owner who appears to be the diametrical opposite of the Wilpons.
It was a complete joke, just so you know.
Right Leg’s gonna quash the last half of this contract, just watch.
What is with MLBTR writers and throwing clauses in the middle of sentences? Just makes them more disjunct. Like “Correa’s camp, predictably, has denied there’s reason for concern.”
Just say “Predictably, Correa’s camp has denied there’s reason for concern.” McDonald and Franco’s way is so awkward.
“What is with MLBTR writers and throwing clauses in the middle of sentences?”
“And” is superfluous in this sentence, and “throwing” is an odd choice of a verb. “Inserting” would seem to be a better choice.
“Just makes them more disjunct.”
This is a sentence fragment.
“Like ‘Correa’s camp, predictably, has denied there’s reason for concern.’”
This is another sentence fragment. And “predictably” is not a clause — it’s a modifier. A clause contains both a subject and a predicate.
Heh-heh.
Maybe we should stick to baseball, eh?
Yes, I did use a sentence fragment. I’m commenting on an article, not being paid to write it.
Move along. Your white knighting is insufferable.
And your pedantry is glorious.
But, hey — how about those Mets?
If you didn’t enjoy the taste of your own medicine, Ben, maybe you should stop serving it to others.
And I don’t see any evidence that you’re paying to read the articles on this site, so perhaps you should subscribe if you want to kvetch about the writing and about the reporters here being paid.
There’s no reason that someone who reads an article for free cannot critique its quality. Stop gatekeeping.
I don’t see what medicine you’re talking about. You’re trying to equate a comment on a website by a random internet person no different than yourself to an article written by a professional. Can you see the difference?
The right leg that apparently gave the Giants pause has never sent Correa to the injured list as a major leaguer. He missed the second half of the 2014 minor league season recovering from surgery but was back on the field at the start of the following campaign. Correa has had a few injured list stints in the majors, ……, back soreness (twice)
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MLB-TR is missing the part where these two things might be connected, Any change in your gait could impact your back.
The real question here is if Mets stop the deal, do the Twins have to take him on their original offer?
There is nothing with him (this lemon) that is currently any sort of issue,” Boras (used car salesman) said this morning.
Ironically I heard this same line when shopping for a car today!
Agreed. If there wasn’t an issue, why take the first offer at 35M less. Wouldn’t it have made sense to reopen negotiations with everyone.
Mudy because it was the next best offer
Farhan got cold feet and used an injury everyone already knew about, from before Correa was in MLB, as an excuse.
Wasn’t Zaidi, it was Johnson. POBO’s don’t make $350 million decisions. The guy cutting the check does.
Farhan admitted it was him. Anyway why would you blame just one of the multiple owners, not all of them, like Buster Posey for example?
This article presented more body parts than the usual mlbtr article.
Why is this story being featured in SF Giants news? He’s not a Giant and us Giants fans don’t care anymore. We’re boycotting our team, until we get someone worth caring about in charge of the Front Office.
You know what was more curious? Ads for Giants season ticket sales that featured Correa before they signed him. That was truly weird. I wonder how soon the lawsuits will start from angry people that bought season tickets based on those ads?
I was tempted to buy my season tickets after Correa agreed to a deal, but I held off. I had a weird feeling. Now look… I’m glad I waited. I won’t go to a game in ’23, unless it’s to hold a fire Farhan sign, outside Oracle Park
Mets win it all next year? GREAT SIGNING!!
He gets hurt after playing only 20 games and misses the rest of the year? TERRIBLE CONTRACT! My best guess is he has some healthy years and unhealthy years and perhaps helps the Mets get back to the World Series.
While the Giants are prohibited from discussing Correa’s medical, that prohibition comes from the CBA, not HIPAA laws. HIPAA actually doesn’t apply at all to employers.
The CBA however has a clause preventing a team from impacting free agency by disclosing medical information about a player.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html