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Twins Extend Pablo Lopez

By Steve Adams | April 21, 2023 at 9:00am CDT

April 21: The Twins formally announced this morning that they’ve signed Lopez to a four-year extension, covering the 2024-27 seasons. FanSided’s Robert Murray reports that the contract breaks down in the form of a $1MM signing bonus, an $8MM salary in 2024 and annual salaries of $21.5MM from 2025-27.

April 17: The Twins are keeping their big offseason trade acquisition for the long haul. Minnesota is reportedly in agreement with right-hander Pablo Lopez on a four-year, $73.5MM contract extension. The deal is pending a physical. Lopez is represented by Excel Sports Management.

Lopez, 27, came to the Twins alongside top shortstop prospect Jose Salas and minor league outfielder Byron Chourio in the January trade that sent infielder Luis Arraez to the Marlins. He’s already locked into a $5.45MM salary for the ongoing 2023 season, which is his second of three scheduled arbitration seasons. The new contract with the Twins will buy out Lopez’s final arbitration season and what would’ve been his first three free-agent seasons; once completed, the Twins will have Lopez signed through his age-31 season.

Assuming Lopez would’ve landed somewhere in the $10MM range for his final arbitration season, the contract effectively buys out his first three free-agent years for a combined $63MM, give or take a bit. The deal values Lopez at somewhere around $20-21MM per free-agent season. That annual range takes him past the AAVs that mid-rotation arms like Taijuan Walker ($18MM) and Jameson Taillon ($17MM) agreed to this past offseason.

From a structural standpoint, there are some similarities to the recent extension between the Giants and their own top starter, Logan Webb. That $90MM deal, a record for the three-plus service class, also bought out three free-agent seasons. However, Webb’s deal bought out two arbitration seasons, and his first arbitration salary ($4.6MM) topped that of Lopez ($2.425MM), which helps to explain the gap between the final guarantees on the two deals.

Lopez could certainly have gone the year-to-year route, reaching free agency in advance of his age-29 season and perhaps setting himself up for a five- or even six-year deal in the process. Of course, that’d have been a gamble to some extent, given the ever-present risk of injury that’s inherent to all pitchers. That’s particularly notable for Lopez, who has thrice been on the injured list due to right shoulder troubles to this point in his career.

Through his first four starts with the Twins, Lopez has looked like a star. After pitching to a 3.75 ERA in a career-high 32 starts and 180 innings in 2022, he’s surged out to a 1.73 ERA through four starts and 26 innings with the Twins. Lopez’s 95.4 mph average fastball is a career-best mark, and his 33.7% strikeout rate trounces the 23.2% mark he posted in parts of five seasons in Miami. He’s managed to up his velocity and strikeout rate without sacrificing his pinpoint command; this year’s 6.1% walk rate tops the 6.7% mark he posted in his Marlins career.

Much of Lopez’s success to date can be attributed to a newly unveiled sweeper that has thus far befuddled opposing batters. Opponents are batting just .111 against the pitch with a massive 50% whiff rate, per Statcast. Between that and the gains on his fastball, Lopez is unsurprisingly boasting career-best marks in swinging-strike rate and opponents’ chase rate. It’s only a sample of four starts, of course, but the results have generally exceeded even the most optimistic expectations for the righty. Time will tell whether he can sustain it all over a larger sample — a .236 BABIP and 89.1% strand rate both seem ripe for regression — but the Twins can only be thrilled with their end of that offseason trade.

With Lopez now locked in through at least the 2027 season, he joins Carlos Correa and Byron Buxton among the focal points of the Twins’ core. The Twins control catcher Christian Vazquez, second baseman Jorge Polanco and righty Chris Paddack through the 2025 season, but Correa, Buxton and now Lopez are the only players on guaranteed deals beyond that ’25 campaign. Of course, the Twins will have plenty of core players in arbitration at that point: closer Jhoan Duran, starter Joe Ryan and corner infielder Jose Miranda among them. Further cost certainty through extensions among that group or touted youngsters like Edouard Julien remain possible.

Looking to strictly the rotation, both Lopez and Ryan are now under club control through the 2027 season — which is slated to be Ryan’s final year of arbitration eligibility. Each of Sonny Gray, Tyler Mahle and Kenta Maeda will be up for free agency at the end of the current season, so it’s understandable that the Twins had extra incentive to lock up their top starter and lock in some additional continuity.

Minnesota also has towering 6’9″ righty Bailey Ober under club control through at least that same 2027 season, and while he opened the season in Triple-A St. Paul, his performance in the big leagues to date suggests he can be a part of that long-term starting staff (3.82 ERA, 24.3% strikeout rate, 5% walk rate in 148 1/3 innings). The aforementioned Paddack is signed through 2025 under the three-year, $12MM deal he signed while rehabbing from 2022 Tommy John surgery. Other in-house rotation options beyond the current campaign who’ve already had some big league seasoning include prospects Louie Varland, Simeon Woods Richardson and Josh Winder, though Winder’s frequent shoulder issues could eventually push him more toward to the bullpen.

Generally speaking, the Twins have shown increased willingness to spend in recent seasons, pushing their payroll up into the $150-160MM range in both 2022 and 2023. Assuming that’ll continue to be the norm in years to come, there’ll be plenty of room to supplement the core down the line. Lopez’s deal will likely land the Twins between $75-80MM in guaranteed money on the 2024 books, followed by something in the vicinity of $90-95MM in 2025 and around $70MM in both 2026-27 (depending on the extension’s exact year-to-year breakdown). The Twins aren’t and never have been at risk of paying the luxury tax, but they’ve also come quite a ways from their days as a perennial bottom-of-the-scale payroll club.

The trade bringing Lopez to Minnesota originally gave the Twins only two years of club control over Lopez, while Miami picked up three years of control over Arraez. The extension with Lopez more than balances out that disparity in club control, and it comes less than two years after the Twins begrudgingly made the decision to trade rotation stalwart Jose Berrios to Toronto after being unable to come to terms on an extension. Hindsight is always 20/20, but the seven-year extension Berrios inked with the Jays hasn’t panned out at all, and the Twins ultimately found their way to a prime-aged starter who was willing to commit to an extension on more favorable terms.

This surely isn’t exactly how they drew it up dating back to that pivotal trade deadline, but the Twins have added some long-term stability both in the lineup and in the rotation and done so without completely clogging the long-term payroll.

Craig Mish of SportsGrid and the Miami Herald first reported the sides were nearing agreement on a four-year, $73.5MM agreement. Dan Hayes of the Athletic reported the sides had agreed to terms.

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  1. Johnny81913

    2 years ago

    Good deal for both sides. Dude’s been pitching well.

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    • CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      I praised the Twinkies for acquiring López, and was looked down for it in the process. For all the trades we’re wrong for saying we’d make, sometimes we actually get a few right. Definitely not surprised how good López has pitched in Minny though. I hope it continues, good guy.

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      • User 401527550

        2 years ago

        Except for the guy they traded hitting over .500.

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        • avenger65

          2 years ago

          I know Lopez has been pitching well, but I still can’t justify trading Arraez. I wish they could have traded anyone else, maybe another major leaguer and a bunch of minor league prospects for Lopez. It’s not as if Miami is in a win-now situation while Minnesota, even without Lopez, who plays every fifth day compared to Arraez playing every day, could win the central and will most likely reach the PO even as a wild card.

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        • Lucky Strike

          2 years ago

          The guy they traded has 24 hits in 15 games but scored only 6 runs and knocked in 7. The value of the batter doesn’t seem to match that of the pitcher through two weeks.

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        • gbs42

          2 years ago

          Arraez will have 20-25 PA every five games, and Lopez will face a similar number of batters each start, so their affects on team results will be similar.

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        • vtadave

          2 years ago

          So you fault Arraez alone for only scoring 6 and driving in 7?

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        • wjf010

          2 years ago

          but….Miami didn’t want anyone else. you probably wanted them to take Keplwr instead. arraez was NOT going to sign an extension with the Twins…they tried…that is one reason he was expendable. don’t count on him batting .500 for the season. jersey-buyers always have knee-jerk reactions to trades

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        • Lucky Strike

          2 years ago

          I’m saying Arraez is a stiff who hasn’t contributed to the overall success of the team and therefore he has less value than a starting pitcher who can give a team the chance to win.

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          I’m saying you are a jealous Twins fan. Arraez is leading MLB in hitting right now while playing great defense at 2B. That has got to hurt. Especially when Gordon is hitting .100 in 13 starts. Literally the worst in baseball.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 years ago

          The Twins fleeced the Marlins in that deal. They got a frontline starter, a good prospect, and a lottery ticket for a one-dimensional player who impresses old-time fans with his batting average.

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        • rememberthecoop

          2 years ago

          It’s early. I’m gonna go way out on a far limb to say he won’t hit .500 on the season. But I know what you mean, Mets. Sometimes a trade works out for both sides. Nothing wrong with that.

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        • Lucky Strike

          2 years ago

          Jealous of a losing someone who doesn’t make guys around him better or contribute to overall success? Miami has scored the fewest runs and is top 5 in LOB.

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        • CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          @Mets6986??- Well good for him then. These are the best of trades that work out for both teams. Bravo!

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        • rememberthecoop

          2 years ago

          Indon’t think youncan put that on Arraez. That’s a real streeeetch.

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          Arraez hit .314 8 HR 49 RBI 88 R 4 SB and will probably hit .318 5 HR 41 RBI 60+ R and 4 SB. Those are great fantasy baseball numbers. Since this is the majors I would rather have a young and up and coming Ace of the staff over Arraez. The Marlins won this trade especially since they were able to extend him for 4 years.

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        • gbs42

          2 years ago

          lamars,

          I was with you until you said Marlins when I think you meant Twins as the team that seems to have won this trade.

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        • LFGMets (Metsin7)

          2 years ago

          @lamars Yeah i’ll take the guy who bats over .300 and plays everyday over the guy who only makes an impact on 30 games a year. Lopez is not an ace you throw out there in a playoff game where you know he will get the job done. The Arraez trade was awful for the Twins. You don’t trade a batting champion for a 2nd starter. Marlins easily won this trade and frankly its not even close

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        • gbs42

          2 years ago

          Batting average as the leading point in your argument? Okay…

          Also, the number of Arraez’s PA will be similar to the number of batters Lopez will face. When they play, Arraez has an impact 11% of the time, Lopez 100% .

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          GBS42, Whoops, I mean MINN won the trade. My bad

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          @LFG
          Trade wasn’t even close to being terrible for the Twins. The Twins get a front line starter who will be the ace of the staff. Plus why wouldn’t you throw Lopez out there in a playoff game? The Twins have Lopez and Ryan locked up for years and the ONLY reason Lopez was a #2 starter is because of a guy named Alcantara. Besides winning the batting title and being able to play multiple positions, what did the Twins give up? They have a ton of guys to replace Arraez and while E. Juilen won’t hit .300 he will provide more offense than Arraez ever could. And if he falters there are other guys to take up the slack, This isn’t fantasy baseball where a guy like Arraez can make a huge difference to your lineup.

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          At what point has Lopez been a frontline starter? He had a 3.94 ERA coming into this season. He has never made more than 21 starts.

          Arraez has already won a batting title. He is a career .320 hitter with a 123 OPS+. He has been an above average defensive player at 2B the last 4 seasons. Not exactly one dimensional.

          Salas is struggling in A+ ball. The other kid is so far from the majors that he’s not even a lottery ticket yet. He’s only ever played in the DSL.

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          Arraez is contributing. The guys around him have to be on base when he comes to the plate or get a hit when he is on base. They aren’t doing that. Outside of Arraez they have the lowest TB of any team. He has had 34 baserunners on in front of him this season and 29 were on first.

          Why you don’t know that is concerning when you are trying to comment about his performance.

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        • gbs42

          2 years ago

          Lopez’s ERA in 2019 has little to do with the pitcher he is now. From 2020 on, he hasn’t had an ERA above 3.75, and he made 32 starts last season.

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          I blew that. He made 32 starts with a 3.75 ERA and 3.71 FIP last season. That is in line with his career numbers. He is a #3 starter.

          If 2019 doesn’t matter, what happened in a short season in front of no one and when nearly 50% of players performed far above or below their career averages doesn’t matter either.

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        • Rsox

          2 years ago

          Arraez is not likely to hit .500 all season whereas Lopez could possibly be a 20 game winner of CY Young award winner (or both). I think so far the trade has worked out well for both teams

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          @Baseball life
          Lopez started 32 games last year and finished with a 3.75 ERA and 1.17 WHIP.

          “Arraez has already won a batting title. He is a career .320 hitter with a 123 OPS+. He has been an above average defensive player at 2B the last 4 seasons. Not exactly one dimensional.”

          No, he isn’t one dimensional but what did winning a battle title do for the Twins? Did it help them get into the playoffs? Does Lopez offer the Twins at a chance of making the playoffs?

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          I’d say the trade was a win/win. Twins needed pitching and Marlins needed hitting. They both filled a need and both are doing well for their respective new teams. Hopefully they both continue and have great seasons this year.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @Austin, that is exactly why they traded for him. Their offense has been horrible. He alone was not going to fix their offensive woes, but getting a guy who gets on base at a high clip is by all means a start. As for the Twins, he was expendable there.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          If Pablo was an Ace that would be great. He is a #3 starter.

          3.75 ERA and 3.71 FIP last season. Peripherals like K% and BB% also about league average. All about the same as his career averages. That is not an Ace.

          I really like him and #3 starters are valuable with 30-31 year old guys guys like Walker and Taillon getting paid $17-18 million. AAV. He is still a #3 starter on any good team.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          You are right about that. No one will ever hit .500 over a full season. What Arraez is likely to do is hit around .320 with a 120 or higher OPS+.

          Lopez is a 3.70 ERA starter. His ERA, FIP, BB% and K% are all around league average. League average is a #3 starter. That is likely what the Twins have when the season is all over this year.

          The number of wins is a team stat that is far more dependent on run support that pitcher performance. Cy young is a popularity contest, not a measure of performance.

          This is one of the few trades that gives both teams what they needed. The Twins needed a middle of the rotation starter. The Marlins needed a contact hitter to put at the top of the lineup card that could play the keystone.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          Lets see if I can answer that question. A batter good enough to win the batting title put a man on base 223 times. As the leadoff hitter, that is his job. He did it better than anyone else last season. That the Twins didn’t drive him in, is on the other players on that team. You may want to ask why they didn’t do their jobs.

          Lopez is about league average in every respect, a #3 starter.

          The Twins had so many injuries to their starting rotation that I can’t really tell you who was their #3 last year. Ryan and Gray were #1 and #2. Ober started game 3, 9, 14, and 19, but had only 11 starts for the season. Was he their #3?

          No one player offers the team a chance at making the playoffs. It takes an entire 26 man roster to do that.

          Which player offers better overall performance? A couple of stats allow you to compare position players vs starting pitchers, OPS+ vs ERA+. They show how much better or worse they are than the average hitter or pitcher.

          Lopez had a 107 ERA+ last season and a 106 ERA+ for his career through 2022.

          Arraez had a 129 OPS+ last season and a 119 OPS+ for his career through 2022

          I think that tells a very compelling story.

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        • Melchez17

          2 years ago

          “Indon’t think youncan put that on Arraez. That’s a real streeeetch.”

          Arraez should have hit .600.

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        • yella_fella

          2 years ago

          @outinleftfield @BaseballIsLife
          Since 2019, Lopez is 35th in fWAR for starting pitchers.
          In 2022, Lopez was 28th in fWAR.

          Don’t know if I agree with you repeatedly stating that Lopez is a #3 pitcher.

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        • vtadave

          2 years ago

          You don’t sound overly bright. .455/..508/.618 with a 208 wRC+ is sort of good.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          You seem to have a really poor understanding of how baseball works.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          If Pablo Lopez is the ace of your staff, you’re in trouble.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          This is laughable. Arraez isn’t gonna hit 500 and Lopez isn’t winning 20 or getting anywhere close to AL Cy Young, unless about 15 other pitchers go down with season ending injury

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          No. Lopez does not offer the Twins more of a chance to get into the playoffs. Your argument is flawed and stupid.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          He’s at about 2.5fwar/yr over the last 2. That’s a #3 on a good team. Using league wide placement is dumb, since there are plenty of teams with abysmal staffs.

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          fWAR. Seriously? Give me a break.

          His ERA, ERA+, and FIP tell the story. They are consistent. He is slightly above league average as a starter. A #3.

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        • LFGMets (Metsin7)

          2 years ago

          @BaseballisLife they act like batting champions grow on trees. There are tons of Pablo Lopez like pitchers out there in the MLB. But there is only one or two players that bring the type of value that Arraez brings. Not only that, Arraez impacts 162 games a year while Lopez impacts around 30 of them.

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      • Arnold Ziffel

        2 years ago

        Seen what Arraez has done so far?

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          @Arnold
          Yeah,
          .471 1 HR 6 RBI 7 R and 0 SB. And so far what good has that done that Marlins?

          Now let’s compare Lopez …
          1 W 1.73 ERA 0.81 WHIP and 33 SO in 26 innings pitched.
          You tell me who has been more valuable and will be more valuable going forward???

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          219 OPS+. Single players don’t win games. Teams do. Outside of Arraez the Marlins are the worst hitting team.

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      • BLIN7Y

        2 years ago

        Let’s not forget the League is just seeing him. Let’s see how he does 2nd and 3rd time thru the AL

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        • bronxmac77

          2 years ago

          He’ll get lit up like a tilting pinball machine.

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    • Pads Fans

      2 years ago

      Just logged on to say exactly that. Great deal for both sides. Lopez is pitching well for the Twins and Arraez is hitting lights out while playing good defense at 2B. A definite win for both teams s far.

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    • Melchez17

      2 years ago

      I never thought that much of Lopez. He’s having a great year, don’t get me wrong, but I always felt he was a decent number 3 pitcher… a guy who ate up innings and would win half his games.

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      • C Yards Jeff

        2 years ago

        Message to Orioles FO. If you want something of value that is of current value not of future value, you’ve gotta give up of something of current value.

        The Twins send a reigning batting champion, a top 5 rated org prospect and another prospect to get a number 2/3 rotation guy.

        Trading a couple of highly rated prospects, which you have, ain’t gonna land you that pitcher you covet. Turn your head and cough. Feature one of your in the moment league level performers and a stud prospect to get SP that’ll have immediate impact. Too me that’s Mountcastle, maybe? Cheers!

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        • C Yards Jeff

          2 years ago

          Oops. Did it again. Miss read who got traded for whom between the Fish and Twins. Put it on my tab. Ugh!

          That said, to get a rotation 1 or high 2 piece; requires Orioles moving a Mountcastle along with a high prospect?

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        • BStrowman

          2 years ago

          @jeff that’s totally dependent upon the team we trade with. Most rebuilding clubs are rebuilding. If the team just began a tear down they don’t want a Mountcastle.

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  2. knglover

    2 years ago

    now the Marlins need to extend Arraez and thus trade will definitely be a winner for both sides!

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  3. jdgoat

    2 years ago

    That trade was such a great deal for Minnesota. How they got two extra prospects on top of Lopez is crazy to me.

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    • jdgoat

      2 years ago

      But while saying that Miami must be pretty damn happy with what Arraez has provided so far.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        The results are dampened by the fact that they had to sign Cueto to replace Lopez.

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        • gbs42

          2 years ago

          I wouldn’t say they had to, but they chose to. Braxton Garrett, now starting in Cueto’s stead while the latter is on the IL, probably will provide similar results.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 years ago

          Braxton will provide better results than Cueto.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          They didn’t have to sign Cueto. He was added for depth. They had enough starters without Lopez, which is why he was tradable.

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        • wjf010

          2 years ago

          and….he’s pitching for them because…..

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  4. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Not a bad move, lock up a really good pitcher and have a rotation slot locked in.

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    • C Yards Jeff

      2 years ago

      Kudos to Twins evaluators of talent. You know when to move some one (Berrios) and suggest to the FO who to get (P. Lopez and J Lopez). Don’t look now but Minnesota has the best era (#1) in MLB. And kudos to the coaching staff for acclimating Lopez and Lopez and others to your system.

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  5. CubsWin108

    2 years ago

    this makes it a win-win deal. With a higher ceiling for the Twins if Salas pans out.

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    • User 3921286289

      2 years ago

      Heh.

      I rather doubt this will have any bearing on Justin Steele signing a long term extension with the Cubs.

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      • CubsWin108

        2 years ago

        yes sir go off my friend, 5 years 60-75 million

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      • drasco036

        2 years ago

        I’d love for the Cubs to be able to lock up Steele, the guy has been the best pitcher in the league since last years All-Star break and really it goes all the way back to June 5th of last year.

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  6. Camden453

    2 years ago

    Eh, Lopez lost stuff and really tailed off last year. He wasn’t what he was

    He knows how to pitch and he’ll probably be able to survive the loss of velo/stuff, but it won’t be the same

    Higher HR/9, BB/9, H/9 are almost a guarantee. ERA should end up in the 4.20 to 4.60 area

    At about 18m a year for 4 years it’s a bit of an overpay

    On the other hand, solid, dependable starters are not that easy to come by on the free agent market, and you have to overpay for them anyway

    It’s still a pass for me. 18m a year is better spent on something else. There’s too much risk of Lopez getting lit up regularly

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    • Camden453

      2 years ago

      In the same way I would avoid signing Nola

      Nola should have took the extension like Lopez did. He’ll likely have a bad season this year and not get a very good contract in free agency

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      • Fraham_

        2 years ago

        Bad contract? He’s getting 200 million with a good season and still well over 100 million with a poor one.

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      • avenger65

        2 years ago

        Camden453: I don’t care if a pitcher has an ERA of 10. The only thing that matters for a pitcher is wins. And it seems Lopez is doing pretty well in that department.

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        • vtadave

          2 years ago

          Wins? Is this 1980s Statistical Analysis 101?

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          @vtadave
          If he can pitch better than the opposing pitcher, and can go at least 5 innings, that is valued. That’s how starters qualify for the win. Are you saying it’s not?

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        • refereemn77

          2 years ago

          “Qualify” for the win. Pitcher wins are meaningless because the starting pitcher has no control over run support, outfield defense, or relievers.

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    • Downwiththethickness

      2 years ago

      Injury. Career high in innings (by a lot), Fatigue due to said career high in innings.

      There’s a longer list of explanations for the second half of 2022 that are perfectly explainable before we come to “he’s not what he was”

      And your loss of stuff argument doesn’t really hold up when the second half metrics weren’t really THAT bad (3.81 FIP, 3.58 xFIP).

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      • Camden453

        2 years ago

        down, the stuff visibly isn’t there anymore. Has nothing to do with injury or innings

        Call it spin rate or whatever, but the ball is easier to pick up and the perceived velo is down

        Thinking the stuff will come back is like thinking Syndergaard will throw 100 again. It doesn’t happen

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    • Sky14

      2 years ago

      Except his Velo is up this year so all that is moot. Very common for a pitcher to experience a small decline in Velo at the tail end of the season after an innings jump. Doesn’t make that who the pitcher is for the remainder of their career.

      This contract covers his age 27-31 seasons, there’s no reason to expect his Velo to suddenly decline during his peak seasons. Not sure what basis you are using for an expected ERA in the mid 4s, when his FIP/xFip show it to be around full run lower.

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      • vtadave

        2 years ago

        Velocity is up, slightly less hard contact, more ground balls, an xERA under 2.00, barrels down, swinging strike rate a career high etc.

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      • Camden453

        2 years ago

        Sky, the stuff isn’t the same. His velo has been up early but I expect that to regress at some point. He’s not going to be hitting 97 like he’s been hitting

        It’s still early. By mid-May the velo should be stabilized in the 93-95 range

        As a Mets fan I’ve seen Lopez for years. The life on his pitches isn’t the same

        It’s logical that a change of environment can be responsible for a performance increase at first

        He’s been good early and probably much of that is based on being in a new organization

        Pitchers get a velo boost in the playoffs. Is what Lopez doing now sustainable? I doubt it

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 years ago

          I would avoid signing old broken-down guys like Verlander,Quintana, and Carrasco. Pablo will have a better year than all of them.

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        • Camden453

          2 years ago

          No argument there, except for Verlander

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    • lamars

      2 years ago

      @Camden
      Bruh, what are you even talking about? Higher HR/9, BB/9, H/9 are almost guaranteed and his ERA will be in the 4.20 to 4.60 ERA? Besides his first two seasons he had never had an ERA over 4.00.

      Is 3 year average 3.52 ERA 1.16 WHIP 145 IP 127 H 14 HR 142 SO 42 BB
      Is career average 3.83 ERA 1.117 WHIP 536 IP 478 IP 61 HR 522 SO 148 BB
      So please explain the risk of Lopez getting lit up regularly. And go …

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      • bronxmac77

        2 years ago

        Camden is clueless.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      They were able to keep the extension short enough with lopez that I like it. I think the people in here talking about him being an ace are ridiculous, but a slightly above average starter for under 20 and you don’t have to go past 31…it’s not bad

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      • lamars

        2 years ago

        He will be an ace for the Twins and if it weren’t for Alcantara he would have been the ace of the Marlins. and I don’t see how that is being ridiculous.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          I’m not surprised that you don’t…

          Being the best pitcher on a team, doesn’t make you an ace. That dilutes any meaning of that term especially without specifically qualifying it. Is Cole Irvin an ace? Even if you do use that stupid definition, I’d still take Luzardo over Lopez on MIA.

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          I’m surprised that you’re this ridiculous..

          Being the best starting pitcher on a team clearly makes you ace. It’s literally what the term implies, the team’s #1 starting pitcher. And no Cole Irvin isn’t an ace and never has been because he was never the best pitcher on the A’s or Orioles.

          Lastly please tell me that you’re joking about Luzardo over Lopez? You would take a guy with 3 yr average ERA of 4.49 and a career ERA of 4.40 to a guy with a 3 yr average ERA 3.52 and a career ERA of 3.80?

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        • BStrowman

          2 years ago

          I would rather have the younger lefty. It took Luzardo some time to figure out pitching.

          Both are comparable starters now. Luzardo had more cheap team control. I would’ve shopped Lopez over him in Miami’s position.

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        • lamars

          2 years ago

          Ok that makes sense, and I would have shopped Lopez over Luzardo.

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    • YourDreamGM

      1 year ago

      @Camden453 Excellent work as always.

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  7. Fraham_

    2 years ago

    Great deal for the Twins. I assume he’d makes like 13 million next year through arb. So 3/60 seems pretty team friendly for Lopez.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      He’s gonna go from 5.45 to 13?

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  8. mnnorthernjuice

    2 years ago

    $18M per year for 4 years! Sounds like a great contract for an ACE on that staff! I think the Twins won the trade by getting multiple players for one! But you have to give something to get something.

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    • BeeVeeTee

      2 years ago

      Why do people consider a below .500 record pitcher like Pablo Lopez an “Ace”? Last season was Lopez’s first season where he pitched 32 starts and close to 200 innings with a 10-10 record. The Marlins have been trying to trade Lopez since 2021.

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      • flamingbagofpoop

        2 years ago

        He’s not an ace, but pitcher wins aren’t why. The bigger question is why people are incapable of realizing that you can’t just act like all the years are the same when they already had him under control.

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        • BeeVeeTee

          2 years ago

          Here is the thing, its only three/four weeks into this young season where Lopez has four starts and is looking good so far, however, there are five months left in this season and he has a lot to prove before the Twins giving him a contract. It seems like the Twins’ front office has faith in Lopez but it is the same front office that has faith in Carlos Correa and Bryon Buxton.

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      • lamars

        2 years ago

        You answered your own question, he played for the Marlins and wins don’t make you an ace. Lopez will be the ace of the twins.

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  9. mlb fan

    2 years ago

    Deals involving pitchers are especially risky, but this deal is a no brainer and worth the risk for the Twinkies.

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  10. Carl W.

    2 years ago

    One of the few trades recently, that I think are wins for both teams. I’d put it in the Twins favor with this extension. Of course, an injury can make it look better or worse and hitting or missing on the prospects could change it.

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      It was surprising that Minn also got prospects. I always thought that Lopez would be a 1 or at least a 1a on a decent defensive team.

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  11. slydevil

    2 years ago

    It’s unfortunate that so far this season twins have been inconsistent batting – which is what Arraez brought to the team. A fan can’t be disappointed with what they’ve got so far from Lopez.

    It will be years before we know if both sides are winners, but I think right now marlins and twins would probably make the same trade.

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    • acoss13

      2 years ago

      So far it’s a win for both sides. Twins needed another good starter and the Marlins needed a contact hitter.

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  12. stretch123

    2 years ago

    Happy for Pablo. Hope he stays healthy thru the contract… now Marlins need to lock up Arraez. Wonder if 5 years about 15-18 million annually get its done.

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  13. Scott Kliesen

    2 years ago

    Hopefully Mitch Keller is next up for this type of extension.

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  14. YourDreamGM

    2 years ago

    Solid

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  15. harrycarey

    2 years ago

    Have to love how a reporter from Florida reports the news this morning. I guess the Twins media was still sleeping or had no clue this was in the works.

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    • Lucky Strike

      2 years ago

      The one good reporter watching the Twins has been there since the beginning and he’s nearly 80.

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      • bronxmac77

        2 years ago

        Hold up that hand mirror.
        See if it fogs.

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  16. rememberthecoop

    2 years ago

    Man, pitchers are so volatile. Not talking just in performance, but health. I always think the player wins in these situations. Any contract that guarantees multiple years is a win for a pitcher. That should always be reflected in the price, except that it is not. His AAV’s are slightly above market (at present value), leaving the club with all of the residual risk in my mind.

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  17. despicable_you

    2 years ago

    He reminds me of the og baseball Pablo, Pablo Sanchez #backyard baseball

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  18. martras

    2 years ago

    The extension looks good. Lopez has always been viewed as a mid-upper rotation arm and that means he can take a step back and still be a valuable member of the rotation. Too many Twins signings and extensions over the years have been made to guys who have a decent season, but are typically close to that fringe starter status. When back end rotation arms are extended, they often don’t actually provide stability because they too often wind up in the bullpen or buried as bad salary in trade deals.

    Lopez is a starter who should remain effective through the entire contract (barring injury) and the Twins needed some rotation clarity beyond this season.

    I can understand the sentiment of Arraez fans. He was my favorite player to watch throughout much of last season; however, his approach at the plate changed as the season progressed. Arraez started to try and muscle the ball into the stands and he started chasing more bad pitches leading to a collapse of his BB rate/OBP and a loss of batting average due to poor contact.
    First Half .338/.411/.445, ISO .107, OPS .856 wRC+ 150. 10.6% BB, 8.0% K, 27.6% O-Swing
    Second .289/.325/.389, ISO .100, OPS .714 wRC+ 106, 5.1% BB, 5.9% K, 30.0% O-Swing

    But Arraez also had issues in the second half of 2021. Combined with durability and defense concerns, the Twins had some reason to gamble with Arraez.

    There is a legitimate possibility Arraez turns into Tony Gwynn type HoF player, but it’s far more likely Arraez winds up as a solid 2-3 WAR-type player.

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  19. MarlinsFanBase

    2 years ago

    Good for Pablo. As a Marlins fan, we saw the hard work he put in to develop his game to earn this. While he is talented, he was not among our most gifted pitchers, but no one worked harder than him. Well deserved. The Twins are getting a professional. Hoping the best for him in the rest of his career.

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    • avenger65

      2 years ago

      I know you didn’t post the negativity towards Cueto, but Marlins fans shouldn’t give up on him. He’s a good starter and one of the few that can go a lot longer than five innings. So now you have at least two of those.

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        2 years ago

        Cueto is a nice veteran to have. The challenge he may get now that he’s out, is if Braxton Garrett, Trevor Rogers and Edward Cabrera pitch strong during his absence, and if Sixto Sanchez gets back, and of other prospects become ready. That would make it hard to get Cueto back into the regular rotation, unless the Marlins determine to get him some outings to become a trade chip at the deadline to acquire a need if they’re competing or prospects if they’re not.

        Should be interesting. And a good problem to have.

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  20. Rsox

    2 years ago

    Pretty good deal for the Twins. Lopez, Ryan, Ober, and Chris Paddack already has the Twins rotation set up nicely for next season

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  21. LordD99

    2 years ago

    He’s been a good #2 rotation option in his early career who may make the move to a #1 with the sweeper. Good for him to lock in life-changing money, and good for the Twins by limiting the downside of the outer years by signing him only through age 31. They should get his prime. He offers more upside than guys like Taillon and Walker.

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  22. Old York

    2 years ago

    I’ve really liked Pablo López. so I’m glad he got paid. And if things pan out well for him, once he hits FA, he’ll be 31/32 years of age and still have an opportunity to secure another even short-term contract.

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  23. wu tang killa beez

    2 years ago

    I wouldn’t say team friendly deal, but this is a pretty decent contract extension for the Twins. Good job for acquiring him and be able to keep him a few years

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  24. formerlyz

    2 years ago

    Right around the price I was saying before the trade, furthering my point. The Marlins messed up here, as usual, as also historically similar to other times. How much has Arraez hot start mattered? The Marlins could have used their assets way better, once again.

    Congrats to Pablo on this deal, and I hope for continued success for him. Big fan from day 1.

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  25. sufferforsnakes

    2 years ago

    That’s way too much money for a mediocre pitcher with a losing record.

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  26. Lucky Strike

    2 years ago

    In honor of the signing, I give Lopez tonight’s game off.

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  27. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    Great deal!

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  28. Moneyballer

    2 years ago

    I read this as Twins extend Luis Arraez. Whoops.

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