The Dodgers and Rays are in agreement on a trade that would send right-hander Tyler Glasnow, outfielder Manuel Margot and $4MM to Los Angeles, with right-hander Ryan Pepiot and outfielder Jonny Deluca going to Tampa. The deal is contingent on Glasnow signing an extension with the Dodgers, which is reportedly expected to get done.
Glasnow has been in trade rumors for weeks but this framework of players was reported on yesterday, but without a deal being completed before the end of the day. Passan reports that the extension window opened Thursday morning. The details of the extension talks aren’t publicly known but it seems there is some optimism that it will get done, and the trade along with it. Glasnow is from the Los Angeles area initially, which could perhaps help to facilitate a deal. The trade-and-extend path is rare in baseball but not entirely unprecedented. The Reds took this path with Sonny Gray going into 2019, acquiring him and signing him to a three-year extension.
The right-handed Glasnow has already signed one extension in his career, which is how this situation developed. In August of 2022, as he was coming back from Tommy John surgery, the Rays and Glasnow agreed to an extension. It would pay him $5.35MM in 2023, his final year of arbitration eligibility, and then a big jump to $25MM in 2024. Glasnow had battled significant health issues in his career but was able to lock in a huge payday before fully returning from surgery and re-establishing his health. The Rays, meanwhile, got an extra year of control by betting on Glasnow’s eventual return.
Glasnow did return to the mound late in that 2022 season, making two regular season starts and then another in the postseason. Here in 2023, he was healthy enough to take the ball 21 times and registered a 3.53 earned run average. The Rays subsequently lost plenty of other starting pitchers, with each of Shane McClanahan, Drew Rasmussen and Jeffrey Springs undergoing significant elbow surgery in 2023.
All those factors combined to put the club in a tight spot, along with the finances. They have never run a payroll beyond the $80MM range, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, but came into the offseason projected for something closer to $120MM. Moving Glasnow and his $25MM salary in 2024 was one of the most straightforward ways for the club to cut costs, but that would only exacerbate their rotation concerns. Reports in recent weeks had suggested they were looking to acquire younger, cheaper pitching in any Glasnow deal. They have accomplished that with this trade and have also done the same thing in the outfield.
For the Dodgers, they already made the biggest splash of the offseason by landing Shohei Ohtani, but he isn’t going to pitch in 2024 due to his recent elbow surgery. Even after that lengthy Ohtani courtship, they still had a lot of work to do in their rotation. Lance Lynn, Julio Urías and Clayton Kershaw all reached free agency at season’s end. Kershaw has re-signed with the club many times before but he is recovering from shoulder surgery that will keep him out until at least the middle of the season. Dustin May is in a similar position after his flexor tendon surgery and Tommy John revision. Tony Gonsolin had Tommy John surgery and could miss all of 2024.
That left the club with Walker Buehler, who missed all of 2023 due to his own TJS, and Bobby Miller as their rotation core coming into the offseason. They had other options, including Pepiot, Michael Grove, Ryan Yarbrough, Emmet Sheehan and Gavin Stone, but it was obviously an area for the club to target this winter.
Glasnow now hasn’t been the picture of health in his career. His 120 innings pitched in 2023 were actually a career high. But a lot of that is due to the pandemic limiting him to 11 starts in 2020, and then the TJS impacting the two seasons after. In 2023, he did miss time with an oblique strain but his arm seemed to be fine.
His results on a rate basis have been very strong. Going back to the start of 2019, he has a 3.03 ERA. He struck out 35% of batters faced in that time, walked just 7.7% and kept 47.2% of balls in play on the ground. The Dodgers have generally been unafraid to gamble on talented arms with injury risk and Glasnow is the latest example of that.
The club will also bolster their outfield mix in this deal. With Mookie Betts moving to second base essentially full-time next year, the club’s outfield mix consisted of James Outman in center with Chris Taylor and Jason Heyward projected for the corners. Heyward had a nice bounceback season in 2023 but did so while the Dodgers shielded him from left-handed pitching.
Margot hits from the right side and should fit in nicely then. He has generally been a subpar hitter overall but does well with the platoon advantage. He’s hit .281/.341/.420 against lefties in his career for a 109 wRC+ compared to an 82 wRC+ and .244/.294/.370 line against righties.
He’s generally been a strong defender in his career. The grades for his glovework slipped a bit in 2023 but he was coming off a 2022 that he mostly missed due to a significant strain of the patellar tendon in his right knee. The Dodgers will likely be hoping that he’s able to post better results now that he’s further removed from that injury, but if he’s due for a part-time role, it won’t be devastating if that doesn’t come to fruition.
For the Rays, this is a classic trade for them. Due to their low payrolls, they often find themselves trading away players as their salaries increase and they get closer to free agency. The hope is always to acquire players that are younger, cheaper and with more club control, though they are also less established at the big league level. Glasnow is set to make $25MM next year while Margot is still owed $12MM, which includes a $10MM salary in 2024 and a $2MM buyout on a 2025 club option. Since they are including $4MM in the deal, this will save them $33MM, while hopefully keeping the talent on the roster minimally impacted.
Pepiot, 26, was a third-round pick in the 2019 draft and subsequently became a top 100 prospect. In 2022, he was able to throw 91 1/3 innings in Triple-A with a 2.56 ERA and 30.9% strikeout rate. He also made his major league debut, with a 3.47 ERA in his first 36 1/3 innings. While Gonsolin was sidelined to start the 2023 season, Pepiot was named the club’s fifth starter out of spring. Unfortunately, he then suffered an oblique strain that kept him on the injured list until August. He eventually tossed 42 more innings at the big league level with a 2.14 ERA.
The young righty has just over a year of service time, meaning he won’t be eligible for arbitration until after 2025 and won’t reach free agency until after 2028 at the earliest. He also still has an option remaining, which gives the club some flexibility if they feel he needs some more seasoning, since he has just 78 1/3 innings of major league experience.
But he would likely project to be in the club’s Opening Day rotation right now. They could make more moves between now and then, but they currently have Zach Eflin and Aaron Civale as the most seasoned in the bunch. Zack Littell has been around a few years but only recently moved from the bullpen to the rotation. Shane Baz missed all of 2023 recovering from Tommy John surgery but should be back in 2024, perhaps with workload concerns. Taj Bradley is also part of the calculus but he had an underwhelming debut in 2023. Amid all of those questions, there should be a path for Pepiot to carve out a role for himself, though subsequent transactions could perhaps make that more challenging.
Deluca, 25, has 24 games of major league experience to this point. He only walked in 6.7% of his plate appearances but also kept his strikeouts down to a 17.8% clip. His .262/.311/.429 batting line translated to a wRC+ of 102. He has performed very well in the minors over the past two years. Since the start of 2022, he’s appeared in 171 games on the farm with 42 home runs, a 10.4% walk rate and 16.7% strikeout rate. His .274/.365/.552 batting line in that time leads to a 135 wRC+.
He still has a couple of options but could try to earn himself a job in the big leagues this year. The club’s outfield projects to include Jose Siri, Randy Arozarena and Josh Lowe, with Luke Raley and others also in the mix. Arozarena has also been in trade rumors but this deal could perhaps lessen the needs for the Rays to continue dropping the payroll.
Ultimately, none of this is confirmed, as it all stills hinges on the Glasnow extension getting done. Though there’s optimism around getting that over the finish line, no details about those talks have filtered out yet. Assuming it is completed, the Rays will have done what they always do, cycling out expensive players for cheaper ones that they hope to mold to a similar talent level. The Dodgers are picking up win-now pieces, while the Glasnow extension will help them down the road as well. Buehler is slated for free agency after 2024 but Glasnow could perhaps be joined by Gonsolin and May by then, while some of the other young arms while hopefully have blossomed in the interim.
Both clubs likely still have significant moves to make in the months to come. The Dodgers still could use some more starting pitching, even with Glasnow in the fold, while the Rays could perhaps use their cost savings to pursue rotation additions of their own.
Jon Heyman of The New York Post first relayed that a Glasnow extension was a possibility. Jeff Passan of ESPN relayed that the deal was agreed to, contingent on that Glasnow extension. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times first relayed the inclusion of the $4MM.
Nice
eddie – They forgot to mention, there’s two more players going from LA to Tampa and they are being deferred.
In 2031 the Rays also get Mookie and a PTBNL.
These deferred jokes are going to get old long before Ohtani gets paid.
I will wait to reply to this
When Ohtani was asked today why he deferred so much money he said…because it helps with the cbt.
So whoever was trying to say this contract wasn’t a tax dodge was wrong. Ohtani said it himself.
They are old.
Yeah because it was just BS contract too get around paying serious implications every year.. shouldn’t be allowed sorry .. and they ever think wait till he does retire they just sacrificed their whole future for him .. wait till that 90 mill hits their payroll …
As are the Toronto jokes.
@Neal,
My three-year-old son is gonna get paid long before Shohei gets paid!
Neal… Should we defer some of the jokes until 2035?
Deferred jokes have been deferred until 2063
Pirates should go for Margot like how they did with Gonzalez
I could see this working, with potentially Henry Davis moving back to catcher and opening a spot up in RF, but then again this is just speculation
Thank god that neither you or Ohtani are the accountants.
Never said I was so, shrug
You should see what Manchester City does with their contracts in order to avoid financial penalties. This is just par for the course in a Sport without a financial cap.
Not as old as talking about Ohtani every day. Every transaction whether Dodgers or not has to mention him. That’s old.
ayrbhoy: Everton gets deducted 10 points for financial improprieties while Man City, which violated the same rule but even moreso, gets a pass. No wonder someone paid for a plane to fly over The Etihad Stadium trailing a banner that read “EFL Corrupt.”
Ask Bobby Bonilla they don’t especially when there’s an anniversary which I am sure this will too.
You wouldn’t be saying that if he signed in Boston, you’d be talking about Boston being smarter than everybody else. But they’re not, and the Dodgers are.
It was a million percent because of CBT .. but it’s ok cuz in 7 years his salary alone will be 90 plus million .. so thats gonna hurt them at some point
I’ve chosen to defer my joke.
Obviously, only the funny jokes are being deferred.
@Giantsphan12 is your son gonna be working in a sweat shop?
So?
It’s ohtanis tax break too
Maybe Ohtani doesn’t understand his contract is really only worth $460 million, not $700. But it’s not a tax dodge, it was Ohtani generously only taking $460 million worth of present value.
Bostonsports – Please stop, you are embarrassing yourself.
The Ohtani deferrals have NOTHING to do with the CBT.
With the deferrals, the Dodgers are getting a $46M CBT hit every year for a decade.
Without the deferrals, the contract would have been worth $460M which means it would have been a $46M CBT hit every year for a decade.
Get it now?
I wouldn’t support it even if it was the Red Sox. It just feels so wrong….
The Premiership was so pissed off at Man City for cheating that they gave Everton a 10 point deduction.
Except he didn’t sign for 460. So you get it now?
Where is the extra $20+ million coming from. It’s not deferred with interest.
Also the dodgers never said that it wasn’t a CBT help. One random writer did and you are acting like they are bending the rules. They are working within the rules that have been agreed to by every owner. Multiple teams have ohtani the same contract offer. You are just bitter your team wasn’t the ones that ended up with him.
Blame the players. It’s in CBA!
Without the differals you have to sign him for $600m, 60m vs the the tax, you get it. Lol
I’m all for doing whatever you can within the rules, and happen to think the Ohtani and the Dodgers were very smart for doing this.
Even so, Ohtani was specifically asked if other teams had structured their offers the same way, and he declined to comment.
Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean other teams didn’t offer the same deal, but it wouldn’t have been any issue just for him to say yes.
Instead, he declined to comment, basically saying he didn’t want to divulge any other team’s offseason plans.
Idk, it’s just my opinion, but this sounded like a very specific deal for the Dodgers. I really can’t imagine the harm in just answering the question yes if it wasn’t. He wasn’t asked to name his other suitors or anything, yet he chose a non-amswer answer.
Either way it doesn’t really matter…Teams better get to the Dodgers in the first half, because they’re going to be heck on wheels when they get May and likely Kershaw back from their injuries.
Even if May just becomes a bullpen arm, he has some of the most dominant stuff in baseball when he’s healthy.
If they’re all healthy in 2025 this team is going to be nearly unstoppable. Fun to watch as just a fan of the sport, but incredibly tough to beat in any series come playoff time../: lol
I gotcha Richardc, the Dodgers are gonna be the team to beat for the 3/4 years for sure. It’s simply because they’ll sell out to do so. Something they Angels should of done knowing what they had.
BTW, I only say 3/4 years cause Ohtani is not going to pitch much more. U can’t expect a unicorn to do both, and be successful at both forever.
Yeah, because he would come right out and say its a tax dodge.
Unstoppable until they get to the playoffs,
Neal – There’s a jokes opt-out available after January 2024.
I’m not sure the exact date, therefore I will defer to Darragh for clarification.
.. wait till that 90 mill hits their payroll …
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1-Since you have the word Boston in your name, then I assume you are a RS fan? If so, how did you feel when the RS were deferring salary?
2-The salary is recorded every year over ten years.
Dr. Salary Expense $46M
Cr. Cash $2M
Cr. Deferred Salary Liability $$44M
but it’s ok cuz in 7 years his salary alone will be 90 plus million ..
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In 7 years, his salary expense will be $46M.
I wouldn’t support it even if it was the Red Sox.
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Did you object to it when the RS did it? If not, you kind of lose your right to object to it now.
You see what I’m saying, right? If the Red Sox can do this, why can’t the LAD?
You have two choices.
The first is that you deem this to be a $46M with interest-bearing liabilities.
Or you deem it to be a $700M contract with deferred payments that is being recorded at its present value.
FWIW, this is the same way companies record long-term capital assets.
Blame the players. It’s in CBA!
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Also blame the SEC. This is the way accountants book long-term assets. If I buy a processing piece of equipment, and pay you $50,000 a year, for 20 years, I did not buy a $1M piece of equipment.
I first have to discount the $1M liability by a discount rate. The discounted amount becomes the cost of the machine. The difference the $1M worth of payments and the amount capitalized as machinery becomes deferred interest which is amortized over ten years.
Mets – What does that have to do with the CBT hit?
Come on bro, be better than that. We were talking strictly about the CBT.
richard – It’s been widely reported Ohtani asked other teams to structure the deferrals the same way. State tax implications would have been the same for the Giants, and he no doubt would have saved on state taxes with several other teams.
Joe – The Red Sox have huge deferrals with Devers, Sale, Manny, Pedroia to name a few.
Joe – Sorry that’s wrong.
It’s $68M annually to Deferred Salary Liability.
Then from 2034-2043 you are debiting a total of $680M to the liability as you credit the cash.
Altogether you are paying out $680M from 2034-2043 which means you MUST credit cash $680M and debit the liability by the same amount.
It is similar to what Brady did for the Patriots for so many years. Kraft issues stocks and side perks to compensate a lower AAV for Brady. I do agree there should be limits to the amount of deferred money, however, I think since the CBT is not exactly a salary cap, there is not an easy solution, e.g can not defer 20% etc. I can not argue against Shohei’s thinking as it is very strategic. he also makes insane amounts outside of his salary.
henry is not a catcher
It dropped the CBT from $70 mil to $46 mil….so I think MLB uses a 75% formula for deferred money. It makes sense everyone thought he was going to get a 450-500 million dollar deal. It is a tax break but to call it a tax dodge is a bit strong. MLB has planned for this loophole.
Well a 10 year 700 million deal straight up with no deferrals is a 70 million a year cbt hit. That wasn’t going to happen from any team.
When did the Red Sox do that?
Devers has $100 million of his extension deferred, Red Sox still paying Manny Ramirez to this day, Chris Sale’s deal has deferred money……Should I continue
Two more players in name only. The actual value will be closer to 1.35 players.
Shohei is the PTBNL!
Dodgers really trying to win a World Series since ’88.
Can’t blame them. Everyone knows that covid ring doesn’t hit the same.
Players have to stay 6 feet from those rings.
Justin Turner 12
Interesting that the Dodgers hardly added anyone last off-season except for panic buying closer to the PO, preferring to save their pennies to sign Ohtani who, everyone but cub fans, knew was going to happen.Now they’re really bolstering bolstering their roster, adding Glasnow and possibly signing Yamamoto. It’s nice to see a team in one of the three largest cities acting like it.
What about banging trash cans
Wrong…Turner can get as close as he wants.
Buehler is coming off of TJ. Gonsolin is hurt. Kershaw is hurt. …. The remedy is trading for Tyler Glasnow, and his injury history, and extending him??
We are in a Media Rights Bubble $$$ that is going to burst.
Players now regularly getting 10, 12 and 13-year contracts with opt-outs, that they opt out of and extend further. A lot of bad money is going to hit MLB down the road. TV revenue from streaming ain’t nowhere near as lucrative as the scam system that Cable TV has been operating under. The fall of cable is gonna kill MLB.
TV killed the radio star. Internet killed the radio star. Cable killed the MLB star?
A top revenue club taking a star player from a low revenue club because they cannot afford him. I love baseball, hate this system of competitive imbalance.
You’re mad the rays trade away assets before they get stuck with them with a huge contract? It’s odd fans want the rays to operate like some of the terrible franchises and get stuck with crappy contracts. It’s bizarre
Huge contracts don’t always mean busts. The large revenue teams are filled with high-cost, high-performing players (Dodgers) and the Rays are not. It’s an unequal playing field.
Agreed. Love this deal from the Rays side of things. They really couldn’t do any better. Geniuses.
Huge contracts almost always do not work out more enough than not. And it shouldn’t be an equal playing field. Nobody whose opinion that matters in baseball wants an equal playing field. The league doesn’t because a WS of the rays vs Arizona doesn’t sell. The owners don’t for the same reasons. The players don’t for the same reasons and the big market teams drive players salary. The fans or right I said opinions who matter so they don’t get a say. A salary cap isn’t going to solve any issue you think is wrong with mlb either. Those problems you think exist are all problems in the leagues with caps.
@bruin and what pathetic team do you root for that tried and FAILED to win the 2020 World Series?
I’m just guessing, but probably a team that only played others based on geographic location during the reg. season.
Are you ACTUALLY referring to the Rays as pathetic? The team that does more with less than any organization in baseball? That pathetic? And BTW, aren’t the Dodgers the team that scooped up their current GM from the Rays because they produce FO staff that compares to no one?
always – It’s cool to defend the Rays for doing as well as they have with such a small payroll, but the Dodgers current GM never worked for the Rays. Brandon Gomes joined the Dodgers immediately after his playing days were over.
And produce FO staff that compares to no one? WTH are you talking about?
Friedman is okay, he’s failed to win a legit WS despite spending a grotesque amount of money every year, but the Dodgers did have the 2017 WS stolen from them.
Bloom was an absolute disaster with the Red Sox.
What other FO staff are you referring to?
Ok Fever, my boo boo. Friedman is not actually the GM, he’s the president of operations. The FO is was speaking of was the Rays FO, who is almost yearly picked by MLB teams. Sorry about Chaim Bloom, he doesn’t know how to operate with riches.
Be done with the legit garbage of 2020.
They rules were set.
They won.
I’m a Yankee fan.
I don’t begrudge them the championship.
Why would anyone.
always – Fair enough and no worries.
Personally I think the Red Sox have produced far more front office talent, just look at the list …
Epstein
Cherington
Hazen
Hoyer
Byrnes
But I know it’s all opinion.
Mickey – How about swap 2020 for 2017 and call it even.
2020 wasn’t legit.
1. It was 60ish games not 162
2. Teams were realigned based on geography to reduce travel
3. “Same rules” is such bs.
Certain team were exposed more than others based on outbreaks, east coast had significantly more(not same amount).
Certain teams experienced outbreaks harming their chances at winning games cause players were ineligible if they tested positive
Certain teams had star players opt out of 2020 all together
Certain teams weren’t allowed to play in home stadiums, mainly Toronto. No fans were allowed to attend games
So cut the bs. 2020 isn’t legit and never will be because the playing field was drastically changed compared to an actual mlb season.
Get over it.
Playoffs same as always except for 1 team.
Congratulations Dodgers!
Same? They played in different cities stadiums lmao.
Except for 1 team means it wasnt the same as always. Debunked your whole argument there.
Look it’s OK to be wrong. You’ll get use to it. Facts hurt I know.
They may have shortened the regular season, but they extended the postseason. Dodgers didn’t have home field advantage and until the postseason games, couldn’t play in front of fans, and even then in a stadium about half full. They were predicted to be the best team in the NL that year, and were in the shortened season. They beat the second best team in the NL, the Padres, they beat the Braves, and then beat the best team in the AL, the Rays, who beat the Yankees and Astros to get there.
As far as opt outs and outbreaks, the Dodgers were as affected as anyone. David Price opted out of the season and Turner got yanked off the field before the end of the last game of the World Series. It was different, but also more difficult than a normal postseason.
Nice try. For all those still desperately clinging to the 2020 60 game schedule foolishness, get over it. In the middle of the pandemic, players leaving because of covid left and right, playing in a unfamiliar stadium a thousand miles away, and no hometown fans to cheer the players on, this was not an easy season. Quite frankly, it was one of the hardest ever.
We want Glas!! When do we want it? Now!!
Well his arm sure is made of glass.
I’d rather have Glass now than Fedde.
Pepiot seems like a future stud and deluca could be an OPS machine. Seems like a bad trade for a oft injured pitcher and some dude
Could end up that way. But the Rays are trading him bc of his $25 mil cost.
LA out on Yamamoto then. Sounds good.
Unfortunately I don’t think that’s the case
A better way to put it would be, they know Yamamoto isn’t gonna sign there, so they pivoted.
No, they need two to three pitchers. This trade was rumored for awhile and Friedman loves his old Rays guys.
Glasnow was on their radar well before they pursued Yamamoto.
Phillies met with Yamamoto today…
He’s met with like every team including the Dodgers, Yankees, Giants, Mets, Phillies, Cubs, Guang Dong Dragons,
He would meet with the Rams and La kings and GS Warriors but they don’t have need for him.
The Golden State Warriors will be without Draymond Green for a long time….. they’re back in!
it really depends on what the extension to Glasnow looks like.
Not necessarily
I was thinking the same thing. They can’t sign everyone
They can’t?
They can if they just defer the money forever.
I don’t know how you can possibly think that at this point
who will the dodgers sign?
*insert gif of gary oldman screaming “everyone!!!”
You wish
I hope so.
Nope…I always suspected that they would pick up one pitcher in a trade and another in free agency. That being said, I think Yamamoto ends up with the Mets AFTER the Dodgers have driven the price up sufficiently.
Now I can see the Dodgers driving up the price
They absolutely are not. Why do you think ohtanis contract is deferred? Dodgers are far from done. They’ll sign 1-2 more starters, Hader, and another OF
He’s gonna be a Yankee. You know it, I know it, the Dodgers know it. Friedman had to move fast on Plan B. He did extremely well.
Maybe, but you’re kidding yourself if you think they’re out on Yamamoto. Glasnow’s AAV hit is only $15M (before whatever cash comes back from the Rays) so Yamamoto is still in their sights.
I’m just manifesting lol. I know they’re very much in it. I would just prefer to see him on my team.
I think they’ll be in the running for Yamamoto but I think he goes elsewhere than the Dodgers
I get it. I see it as a horserace between the Yankees and Dodgers for Yamamoto. I’m guessing that Yamamoto would prefer the Dodgers, but the Yanks may just make the godfather offer. Should be interesting.
Dream on loser
Do you think that? Lol. I genuinely think he wants to be a Yankee, but I’m just reading tea leaves. I don’t know anything about the guy except the scouting reports. Full disclosure, I’m a Yankees fan so I may have a little blind spot here.
How would Glasnow’s CBT hit only be $15 mil when he is in the last year of this deal until the extension making $25 mil?
Breslow can’t close this one man. The Sox are only here to observe.
His two years were arb years at $5.35M (2023) and $25M (2024) so that comes out to an AAV of roughly $15.2M.
The AAV only factors in on deferred money for the CBT. Glasnow’s CBT hit will be $25M next year for now. Will change most likely with the extension
That’s not how it works for the CBT. Glasnow’s salary for the luxury tax right now is $25m
add $10 mill for Margot and they’re 7-9 mill over the threshold
Feels like they’re out on Yamamoto
Sid – He signed a 2 year deal worth about $30MM that paid him $5MM last year and $25MM next year.
I think Mets and Red Sox will also be involved but John Henry mag opt out because he doesn’t want to spend. I wouldn’t be surprised if others are involved as well.
I’m wrong. Spotrac shows a luxury tax salary calculated to be $25 mil. You guys are right. . So 25 plus 10 minus 4. Spotrac now show CBT total 9f $248 mill (11 mill over)
Because it’s based off the AVERAGE annual value of the contract he signed. Which is $15 mil.
The CBT hit is not based on AAV, it’s actually salary for that season.
The only time AAV comes into play is when there is deferred money, and there’s a formula they use to calculate that out.
Sorry, it’s AAV of the remaining contract. Which is why Glasnow’s contract of 2 years, $30 m actually had a $40m hit against the CBT.
The only time AAV isn’t used for the CBT is if there isn’t any deferred money. When TB extended him at $5M the first year, and $25M the second, it was the AAV of $15M that was the CBT hit for them. Whenever a contract gets traded though, it’s the AAV of the years remaining. That means the hit for LA is $25M.
$12 million for Margot.
And yet the Braves will still be a better team then them.
I highly doubt that
Why?
Lol, I dunno, I’m just saying it to say it, because I would like it to happen. I do think he’s already a Yankee fwiw, but only bc of the way the Yankees have talked and acted about him. Cashman is pretty good at reeling in big fish, when he wants ’em. If it doesn’t happen, I’ll feel like a real fool, not to worry.
Dodgers will sign Yamamoto too.
Yamamoto, Glasgow, Miller, Buehler and Sheehan in the rotation to start the season.
Agree to disagree. Dodgers will be fine tho lol.
Yamamoto is headed to the Giants
This is fun
This guy can’t stay healthy. We’ll see
…not for everyone, Dog!
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Grats tho
Deferred all the Monies
Already getting old…
But seriously, how much of that extension will be deferred..
All but 2mil a year. At this rate LA can just sign everyone for 2 mil and have a team of the best players for next to nothing. What a sad operation the MLB is.
Highly doubt most players want that kind of deal. Ohtani is uniquely positioned and literally pitched that deal
So are the Jays jokes
Speaking of tired jokes, many people are tired of the Arson Judge jokes, but I still do them whenever I want to.
Steep price for Pepiot who I thought was going to be a solid #2 or 3 starter in the future, especially if they’re getting Margot too who doesn’t seem like he would fit into their plans, but in Friedman we trust.
It’s the YAP strategy. Yet Another Platoon. I think we’ve already seen the limits on this approach, but Friedman keeps on trying it.
Mookie, Ohtani, Freeman, Smith, Muncy. They can platoon one position lmao
What limits?
Postseason flops. Those kinds of limits.
Because roster construction can completely eliminate postseason flops?
Uh, what?
I bet Margot is going to be moved, or at least I hope.
I dunno, I think he’s going to platoon with Heyward in the OF until Pages is ready then he just won’t play anymore.
Margot’s pretty decent?
He hits lefties 100 points better than righties and is solid defensively. He’s decent for what he’ll be used for.
They’re over the Lux Tax now, correct?
This rays now dodgers pitcher can’t stay healthy. So not sure that it is like a omg dodgers best team in the world now. Glasnow would have to stay healthy.
If they extended him which looks like they might wonder if this takes them out of the Max Fried sweepstakes next year
He use to be durable. But I think he’s made of glass now
I see what you did there
Gavin’s ok collecting taxes
Any thing over league minimum is a tax for Lux
Double hitter ; )
I think he meant the governor not the player lol
They were $15.5 million under before this trade, so yeah
The extension will be 10 years 300 million and 280 million deferred so they will actually gain luxury tax money.
Pat, the 2 players AAV is about $24 mil. So yes, they started the day at about a $220 mil Competitive Tax Salary. So yes, getting taxed with a current $244 mil total ($237 mil is tax threshold). This will be their 4th straight year getting taxed. But sad to say this, they don’t care. It’s a 50% penalty on the overage that can easily be covered with Ohtani money. Kinda scary. OR maybe they do care about taxes and are gonna slow down. I just wouldn’t bet on it.
They’re living on Bauered time
If Glass does not shatter, he will help
“Shattered Glass.” Good Anakin Skywalker movie!
A very serious organization. Rarely seen “all in” be so emphatic.
they’ve signed Ohtani and traded for Glasgow. Where were you when the Padres signed Machado, Bogaerts, traded for Hader and Soto, extended Cronenworth and signed Tatis for a bazillion dollars, Lugo, extended Cronenworth, Wacha, and there’s more I can’t remember?
MLB needs to prohibit any and all moves to the Dodgers!
Shhhhhhhh…
it…There I finished it.
@Trumbo thanks, I actually got a chuckle outa that
That should work.
Your mom needs to prohibit any and all computer privileges to you!
Ooh ooh maybe that’s why he took the Phillies’ meeting!
Another ex-Padre headed to LA. ‘But, but Padres players are no good’.
The Dodgers poach ex-Padres quite a bit haha.
Who is the Ex Padres player?
Nevermind.
The ex red sox margot
Margot
Like Garvey?
$12 million for a guy that couldn’t start in Tampa Bay or San Diego and put up a o.6 WAR. If the Dodgers really want to pay that much for a 4th OF, more power to them.
They’ll win the NL West, again.
That’s a steep price for the honor of paying $25mil for 100 innings of possibly Cy young caliber pitching
So I guess the Rangers are beating the Dodgers in the World Series next year.
No matter what the dodgers do they seem to fall short, so I’ll believe it when I see it. Let’s not forget that each big name they’ve picked up so far has had some serious injury concerns. This all could blow up easily.
Or if not injury prone the batter the XX chromosome
Glasnow will be able to opt out if they ever change the vendor for Dodger Dogs.
Lol
I only wish they would. The dawgs at Dodger Stadium are awful now.
Oh come on Blue Skies they taste like they always have! I can’t taste the difference..Farmer John Vs Papa Cantellas…Actually surprised they taste so similar..
Since they stopped selling the Farmer John dogs they taste like greasy sawdust. We gave up on the terrible Dodger Stadium food and bring sandwiches to the ballpark now.
BlueSkies, You must have got a bad batch and such…That is highly unfortunate. And bringing in food is always the way to go. You ever hit up “Phillipes” before the game??
We gave them several tries last season and they never seemed to be good. Phillipes is kind of out of our way but we sometimes stop at Tam O’ Shanter in Los Felix in the way in.
I’ll have to check out “Tam O’Shanter” sometime. Sounds like a good o’l Irish sports bar. “Barley Mash” in Gaslamp SD is a heck of a spot if you ever catch a game down there. I also take in “Farmer Boys” all the time haha
P.S. Just looked them up. Scottish apparently haha And I see PRIME RIB?!?!?
Yeah a real LA institution. Been around since the 1920s. Very close to the stadium.
I appreciate the tip amigo! It’s top of my list now!
Kershaw’s probably gone now.
Not how he wanted it to end in LA.
Nah, they’ll just switch places of being active and on the IL.
So you’d think the Dodgers gonna give him one more chance?
2 year deal with opt-out?
And getting shelled by the dbacks? Haha
I don’t think Kersh is pitching this season & as much as I love him, I do think he should hang ’em up.
I politely disagree, Kershaw will have a contract from the Dodgers for as long as he is willing to play.
It’s not going to cost that much to resign him with him missing half of the season. He’ll get a good 1 year deal with incentives.
Was Darren Dreifort an overpay?
Never!
They will probably sign Kershaw around the Allstar break (more time to get healthy) when Glassarm shatters.
Kershaw will be back and with the Dodgers by mid season
What’s their salaries for this year? 30 mill and 19 mill? What’s their total team salary now?
Half of that Balk. $15+9.5 mil
Thanks, I looked at the combined 2 year salary I guess. I would’ve choked paying 19 million for Margot! Ha
Balk, different sites have different CBT Salary totals. I follow Spotrac. Pretrade it was $218 mil. Adding 15 and 9.5 (say 10) it’s now $243. $6 mil over the threshold. Sad to say that even though it’s the 4th straight year (50% penalty) I’m afraid they don’t care. Xtra Ohtani $ to pay the tax.
If you follow Spotrac, you would see that Glasnow has a luxury tax salary of $25M, not $15M
you are correct MW. I hadn’t seen the update. But Spotrac says total is $248. MW, do think spotrac subtracted the 4 mill that tv agreed to?
The $4 million should not be taken out. That money simply offsets the actual cash paid to the player. The cash considerations have no affect of the luxury tax number.
If Glasnow is getting $25 million in cash, it doesn’t matter who is paying that money, it all counts for the Dodgers salary
Claude
Glasnow is at $25m for luxury tax. Margot is $8M. Then remove the estimated $1.5m for the two players shipped out.
Keep in mind, you’re looking at an estimated number. There could have been some adjustments to some arbitration numbers in there.
I’m confused because glasnow is making $25m and Margot is making $10m with a $2m buyout… and rays are sending $4m. So that should be at least a $31m hit
You have it right. People are getting confused be with Ohtani’s contract and the deferred money. For CBT purposes, the NPV of the deferred money gets spread equally across the years. His CBT hit is the $2M of actual pay plus $44M AAV of the NPV of the deferred money.
Glasnow’s currently tax hit is $25M
How is this team going to lose 60 games?
the bottom half of their lineup, and Glasnow when he goes down after 5 games.
They aren’t lol
I think they are worse than a couple years ago. They got a nice spot in line w big 3 but really what else is that scary ?
Rotation and pen are both just above average. And then they got Hayward and Margot in the line up.
Dodgers are a great team on paper, but I still think Atlanta is a more complete roster as of now. LA needs another starter and a deeper lineup at the bottom.
And the Braves are set up way better for the next decade over Ohtani’s contract.
Apparently, this is “good for baseball”….despite viewers on the east coast see very little of the weekday west coast games after the second inning….
Blame the east coast Rays, they do this every other off season
This is a good deal for both teams and what they wanted to accomplish. Really like the return for Tampa.
Yeah, it’s a tough loss for the Dodgers. De Luca could be a solid player, but Pepiot is the guy I’m going to miss. Would’ve rather given up Stone, Grove or Sheehan.
I believe this will prove out to be a big win for the Rays. They got two players on the cusp of being major league ready that breezed thru the minors ascending a level every season with great production.
Pepiot is 26 and controllable. DeLuca is already comparable to Margot. It sorta depends on how Pepiot does against the AL East. He would have to be an ace to make this an even trade.
I agree that losing Pepiot hurts, but the Dodgers got the best player out of the deal, provided that he stays healthy. At this point, I don’t think the Dodgers necessarily care about “controllable” players for the next 3-5 years, especially if the continue to draft and develop talent.
Yeah and the more I look at his stats I notice that he was never nearly as good as he was last season in the minors.
What do the Cubs do now?!? 0-2 on targets both LA’s
Everyone is thinking how good Tyler Glasnow is going to be on the Dodgers. I’m still thinking about how the Rays got Glasnow, Austin Meadows and Shane Baz for Chris Archer and have so far managed to trade Glasnow for Ryan Pepiot and Meadows for Isaac Paredes.
Pepiot is a good get. Dont understand settling for the RH version of D Peralta (Margot). It’s not like the Dodgers put up runs in the playoffs and couldn’t pitch at all. They didn’t hit so the solution is another dude that doesn’t hit ????
They didn’t hit in a small sample size – scoring runs won’t be their main issue going forward.
I love how people are wondering why the dodgers wanted Margot. it’s simple. The rays made any team interested in Glasnow take Margot to take more money off the books. quite likely get more than Pepiot and Deluca of it’s just Glasnow
Mazinger – Yeah, but the Rays also traded Snell for a bag of crap, so it all evened out.
And Baz, whose stuff is also filthy, will be ready in 24.
Baz will be on a severe IP limit though.
He’ll be on the hill, that’s what’s important as thin as they are.
Good get by dodgers management Tampa is getting good future players too. Maybe we can give Margot back to the padres since they poor
not for that $, but thanks for caring
Great deal IMHO for the Rays. I am NOT a fan of Glass Cannon Glasnow. Every year he plays roughly half a season at best.
Extending Glasnow
[bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off]
This is a good trade for both teams. Plus the Rays got excellent return for a player they received for nothing.
Deferred to 2098
Reds fans look on as pitcher after pitcher comes off the
Board.
And the dodgers will probably get cease, Yamamoto and beiber too lol
Again Po Boy didn’t get it done. He just can’t acquire top of the rotation, legit major league pitching. He just can’t do it, despite that being the biggest need for two years now.
The fact he was willing to sign an extension after a trade makes it worse.
Agree but also I wouldn’t have wanted the reds to extend him unless it was a very team friendly contract
Do you even read what you write or have a coherent thought when you do? Obtuse to the end
I would not have traded for him unless it was AA or A players for a guy that makes Senzel look like Lou Gehrig. He can’t stay healthy even for a 2020s starter he is less than durable. Barely can go 5 innings. You also think they were going to extend someone this unreliable?
The Dodgers have money they can afford to throw away or waste or take chances on a higher probability of loss. This is what you choose to get on their case about? Of course anything you can complain about is a happy day for you.
Yeah I thought Glasnow was going to be the guy and the price seemed real light. Maybe Margot was more of a salary dump than a trade piece and that’s what got it done ?
You are correct. The Rays have several other options for basically a 4th OF, which is what Margot was. Gives more playing time for Raley, a former Dodger.
Five billion dollars to be paid in bit coin over the next 75 years with an opt-out that can be triggered if its even suggested that the team will fire Friedman
Also in the package is a lordship in the Scottish highlands, the ability to name a star, and a small piece of land on the moon.
The rays just robbed the dodgers blind… oh my lord
This. If the Rays are trading a pitcher it’s probably because his arm is getting ready to fall off
You as a Sox fan should know how filthy Glasnows stuff is. The 2nd year after TJ is usually much better.
So 120ip being your CAREER high isn’t concerning? Should be fine since it’s his 2nd year after TJ
You were gassing up Glasnow when he was on the Rays and now you’re worried about him not that he’s somebody else’s problem lmao
No, because he wasn’t a starter until a few years in. His innings have been steadingly increasing to ast years high.
Friedman knows how to close a deal. Glasnow now & Yamamoto next. Friedman quickly putting together a super team.
Thats funny, thats what everyone said last winter when the Mets added Senga and Verlander to go with Scherzer. How did that end up working out?
I have no problem holding Friedman accountable but I’m pretty sure he isn’t responsible for the mess in New York.
Oh, so now you believe in rockets but still not dinosaurs, eh Carl?
The Mets weren’t a perennial 100 win team that’s been in the postseason for a decade.
I hope Yamamoto goes to the phillies
Dodgers are out on Yamamoto now
Why? Mark Walter has never been shy about paying the tax and other than Freeman, Betts and Ohtani, no one is on the books in two years.
Don’t think they’re out but I bet the Yankees get him anyway
Not even
Nothing to indicate that they’re out. Cash going back to the Dodgers in the deal, which makes sense because the Margot component is basically a cash dump by the Rays.
Everyone is pointing to the $25M that Glasnow is getting this season, but his AAV hit is about $15M and that’s not counting the cash coming back from the Rays so there’s nothing to suggest that they’re out on Yamamoto. If anything, they’re probably going all in.
CBT hit is $25 mill plus Margot hit of 9.5
Only in your dreams
Beat name I’ve seen here yet. “Steeeeeeerrikeeee”
“Hey! It’s Enrico Pallazzo!!”
Good to be a Dodger fan right now!!! Bring on the hateful comments.
I hope Glassnow’s arm falls off in spring training and Ohtani trips over it and breaks his leg!
Geez..
He did ask for hateful comments
As hateful comments go, that one is pretty funny.
“hAtEfUL”
LMFAO. $25 million for a guy that has been past 100 IP just twice in his career and never past 120 IP. And they are going to EXTEND him.
This won’t be a total train wreck. No. Not at all.
Dodgers signing and trading for good players while padres looking at the waiver wire
tbh, I don’t even know if they’re doing that. They might keep payroll minimal since the Doogers have flexed their financial prowess to the maximum.
Glasnow is not good, just expensive. Margot is flat out bad and expensive.
that outlook is why the Pads have their current rotation of trash
“Flat out bad and expensive” – The story of the 2023 San Diego Padres
Tell me about the CBT impact, PadsFans! I want to see you be 100% wrong even more.
I still have PTSD from that horrible Brandon McCarthy signing. That was one of Friedman’s very first moves, if not his very first move once he became in charge.
A train wreck? like your last season?
injury-prone pitchers seem favored by LA
Over paid over extended jags on your side
Absolutely a joke of an organization. Buy buy buy and can’t win.
TDB
“Absolutely a joke of an organization. Buy buy buy and can’t win.”
Literally more wins than any other team over the last decade
But, go off
Glasnow about to be extremely rich in 2040.
Dodgers overpay for an overrated pitcher who can only throw 120 innings max and is 30.
We’ve been doing that the last few years with Kershaw already
Albeit very discounted.
120 innings is three times as many as Pepiot has thrown in his career to date. Even only 120 innings from Glasgow will be a boon considering the Dodgers’ IP leader this season was Kershaw with 130.
Mistake for the Dodgers on this one. Not sure why they are so enamored with pitchers unable to pitch every turn and then trade players who they’ve been preparing for larger roles. Makes no $
We gave up a young, controllable arm for a guy who can barely through 100 IP and who costs more. I know we need SP, but i can’t figure out why you would trade a SP for that. Plus, we have to take on a salary dump in Margot. Just a strange deal. I would have rather ran with Pepiot and Deluca and went after Montgomery or something. Or try for Cease.
Im a Dodger fan. I dont like this. You ship two young kids, one that is Pepiot who is still young, controllable and “TBD” on talent level for a guy built like a porcelain doll at $25mm +? And Margot stinks.
Both young controllable. 2019 draft. There was no 20 season. Both breezed thru the minor leagues posting better and better numbers in three years and saw action in 23. Big mistake by Friedman.
They were better off with pepiot. He’s going to be a stud. Rays are brilliant. Dodgers are desperate
This is quite possibly the worst take I’ve heard since, like, PadsFans was chirping about the Ohtani CBT hit.
Show your work
How! Glassnow is made of glass and Pepiot was looking amazing. Plus now rays font have to pay. One year left and they got a ace caliber stuff pitcher who they were going to lose.
Amazing? The kid has pitched 42 innings in his career.
Just a hunch, other than the Yankees, the Dodgers will be the most loved and hated team in baseball.
who cares?
Obviously you do.
Regular season champs going crazy
Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I see this one eventually playing out way better for the Rays.
Dodgers making all the moves the Giants should have.
2 things. 1, they matched Ohtanis ask but he clearly wanted LA over the City. 2. This would be considered a bad trade for SF. Hell, half the LA fans are questioning the trade. Besides, Pepiot and DeLuca don’t play for SF so how could they trade them.
I wasn’t implying the Giants had those players but I think the writing is on the wall that they need to sell out for a “Death Star” rotation to try to level the field. The Ohtani thing was a foregone conclusion at least a full year ago I have no delusions about that. I think the dodgers were stuck on 650 and he went and got the giants to agree to 700 then the dodgers matched. Simple as that.
I read the Angels matched the offer as well.
I read the Angels did not match the offer.
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/report-angels-did-not-m…
We think too much alike, albeit for different colors. Cheers man
(mug tap)
I don’t recall any other baseball trade being contingent on the player signing an extension. Anyone else know of one? I have only heard of hoping to sign the player long term when a trade is made.
Didn’t they mention the sonny gray trade
You hate us cuz you ain’t us. Bend the knee, kiss my Mickey Mouse ring you jelly bellys.
Yeah, we’re all jealous of all those WS titles.
So Deus admits the Dodgers won a Mickey Mouse World Series. Unless that was sarcasm?
You’re one of the 20 or so Dodger fans that isn’t a vapid instagram model who just shows up to take pictures or a gangbanger who knifes fans of visiting teams.
Wait… those types of Dodgers’ fans exist??? Since when?
Hey there’s nothing wrong with vapid Instagram models. Even if they are vapid & vacuous; they are easy on the eyes.
Glasnow is worth the $25M. He is TOR stuff. Will be interesting how the extension looks…3/$60 is my guess.
But $54M deferred.
Glasnow is NOT signing anything for less than 7 yrs / 175 at a minimum as this gives him security at age 30 . Why would he do 3 yrs when he is guaranteed $25 million for 24’. I predict Dodgers trade falls tbrough as they cannot agree to terms
Nah. Teams don’t announce deals like his unless they’re pretty far along with the extension talks. It’ll get done. My prediction is somewhere between 5/$125MM and 7/$200MM with at least 1 opt out
The $25M is set for ’24. The extension is for ’25 and after. I could see an incentive based contract on innings pitched to get to your $25M per. But with his injury history, I wouldn’t go more than $20M per year guaranteed.
12 years/$240MM?
Is that an honest guess at a realistic extension? No chance Glasnow signs that, sorry.
I can’t wait for more deferral jokes. I could listen to them all day.
In his career Tyler Glasnow has maxed out at 21 starts and 120 innings. That being said what the Dodgers have done is good for the Dodgers and it’s good for Ohtani, but it’s bad for baseball and the commissioner sits with his thumbs up his butt and allows it to happen. Whatever happened to the in the best interest of baseball clause? In my life I’ve never wished for injuries before, but I wish for nothing but bad things for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and hope whatever hit the New York Mets last year hits the Dodgers for at least the next decade. An ownership group worth over $300 billion will buy everyone they want. One hope is that the Dodgers keep Dave Roberts as manager, he usually finds a way to screw things up in the playoffs.
So you hate the owners spending money and wish they’d just keep the profit so they can get richer. Weird take.
Prediction: Yankees and Dodgers miss the playoffs and both pull a Mets type selloff!
hopefully they get Yamamoto, win 3/4 series titles and the league can explain why no fans outside LA enjoy the game anymore.
They said that about the late 90s Yankees and here we are today.
Only foolish people trade with the Rays.
Andrew Friedman started that trend.
Alvarado deal?
Tampa got great return for 2 players too expensive to keep, by their standards.
I like their side of trade better than LA return, though Margot/Heyward platoon is solid.
TB came out pretty good BUT it might not look like it in 2024
Tampa keeps trying to stay as a contender by flipping top pitchers. It’s there only choice since they won’t spend any money. They are the poster boys for a floor, and this why they need to be moved. or sold. No wonder the Marlins have won 2 world series and they have won none..
Wowzers. What an offseason. Yamamoto is still on the table too.
Excellent return for TB.
The way the Rays structured that contract and traded him now is smart. They got a real nice season out of him while paying little and now he makes 25m on a one year deal for another team and you get intriguing prospects. That’s very Rays. Nice.
Rays have managed to remain contenders, but always come up short. The Marlins on the other hand have won the world series. They need to be moved and get an ownership that is trying to win. They are the poster boys for a floor in baseball.
Hating on Tamp. A lot of things go right when you win. They haven’t even been around that long really. It’s not a lack of effort. Miami is actually the reflection of what is wrong imo. To actually have won a world series then sell off is more problematic. The fanbase watches years of horrible teams (granted they got to see the WS team too perhaps). The day by day is at least AS important as the pinnacle you reach. Most of time Miami is in horrible spot and most of time Tampa gives fans something to hope for. They will win it all someday I think. It’s hardly a virtue to be good and fortunate enough to win and then sell out and complain about the team trying to at least be good every year.
Just hope it is not Glass-now! We have enough of those……. Be strong, get tempered!!!
Tempered glass doesn’t only break as easily as regular glass, it crumbles…..
Don’t understand this trade for the Dodgers. Why not just keep Pepiot. He could have more WAR in five years time than Glasnow and Glasnow costs a fortune. Let’s pay more for less WAR …why not?
Maybe I’m insane, but… I don’t really even get why the Dodgers want Glasnow… He’s pitched 100 innings twice in his career. Most seasons with an ERA north of 4. I get the dream with him, but the reality is so disappointing…
I mean, if you expect to get half a season, which is the only reasonable expectation for him at this point, from a player earning 25 million…. Just seems like it would be bad value even if you got him for free…
Dude is over 30 now. He’s never been healthy, he’s not going to suddenly get healthy in his 30s…
Once the dodgers sign him to a lengthy contract, he will again be Glass Now. Watch and see.
Glasnow and his career high of 120 innings pitched is not a smart gamble. His elbow will fit in well with the other Dodger elbows i guess
The Dodger if anyone know what their doing. They have won the west for a decade and have reloaded. Nobody will be able to stop them now!
Pepiot appeared to have the best and most consistent stuff out of the Dodger’s young starters who debuted last year. I was hoping he’d be part of the return for Cease if the SOX dealt him to LAD, but I (and likely GM Getz) would’ve been unsatisfied by Pepiot & DeLuca alone for Cease.
All in all, an excellent deal for TB, which won’t be so for LAD unless Glasnow is healthy for a deep playoff run. The dollars are irrelevant, he’s worth whatever price to the team with the fattest wallet & good for him for getting an extension! Margot along for the ride & lucky to have landed in their RF platoon.
Just really hoping LAD doesn’t now sign Bellinger for CF.
If they do, most of it will be deferred until the next owner.
Bellinger doesn’t fit in the Dodgers plans since Outman is similar type of player, but cheaper
I fear Outman would be the target of the White Sox (plus pitching prospect) in any deal for Cease, which may actually be MORE likely after LAD’s acquisition & extension of Glasnow. Cease is arb controllable for two more years, likely under $10M for 2024 with arguably a higher ceiling than any available starter (except Snell & Yamamoto).
I’m hoping Cease is dealt to AZ or BAL, who have far better positional prospects. Yamamoto’s signing elsewhere could lead LAD to trade for another cheap starter and sign the best hitter Belanger (who also plays gold glove D in CF & 1B).
I don’t understand how people can say things so wrong, so confidently. Sheehan was significantly better, and Miller was orders of magnitude better. Stone, Grove, and Pepiot are all comparable and the Dodgers can easily afford to expend one of those three.
The outcome of this trade depends on Glasnow’s health. I liked Pepiot, but a healthy Glasnow is a difference – maker. Margot I guess plays platoons with Heyward in RF. Not much of a bat, but really good defense. LA still needs a quality starter.
Damn…Dodgers desperate for pitching. Awful deal. Pepiot is likely to be better than Glasgow next year and Margot is garbage.
I love all these hot takes. Two of the smartest organizations in baseball think Glasnow is legit and not injury prone, but the masses disagree. Rays wouldn’t have signed Glas to a $25MM extension if they thought it was a bad investment, and the Dodgers certainly wouldn’t be doing this trade and extending Glas if they didn’t see him the same way. Glas is gonna have a great year in 2024. He had some elbow injuries prior to 2021 that he put off getting surgery for, and now that he’s had the surgery, he’s gonna be a full season stud. This is a fantastic trade for the Rays, who just don’t have the team to make a serious run in 2024 with 3 SP on IL and who knows what happens with Franco. They’ll be back in 2025. Dodgers can have 2024, with Glasnow leading the way.
Rays have become feeders for the NL west, and have never won the world series. They are the poster boys for a floor in baseball. The Dodgers on the other hand have reloaded and will be unstoppable.
How many times are you going to post this nonsense?
Tampa Bay had no inkling of ever paying that 2024 salary to Glasnow. So yeah, it was smart of them to design that two year extension in that manner. But that doesn’t mean they value Glasnow at that price point.
Ignorant SOB – However, it does mean the Rays believed Glasnow’s trade value would far exceed the $25MM, or why else would they sign him. Rays were right. His trade value far exceeded $25MM.
There is a reason Glasnow signing an extension was included. 1 year of Glasnow and negative value on Margot was not worth 6 years of Pepiot and 6 years of Deluca. If you get multiple years of Glasnow this trade is easy to make for the dodgers.
Definitely true iml12. Everyone wins in this deal and you can’t always say that.
Rays traded Glasnow because they didn’t think he was worth $25 million. They got the best season he ever had for $5.5 million and now they are dumping him and Margot on the Dodgers and freeing up $33 million.
Pads Fans – I seriously doubt the Rays didn’t think he was worth $25MM. That’s a below market price for a frontline Ace. What the Rays probably think is that with 3 top pitchers on IL for most/all of the year (McClanny, Springs and Rasmussen) and the possibility that Franco doesn’t play in 2024, that 2024 was no longer a good year to go all-in like they originally planned. So paring down their payroll (which was 50% higher than it had ever been) was the smart thing to do.
Poor Reds fans, they thought they had him in the bag…
I don’t know why they would. The offers I kept seeing online, whether by ignorant fans or ignorant sportswriters, always included India, who is below average at the plate and in the field and plays a position the Rays already have in abundance. Reds pitching prospects are nowhere near as good as Pepiot. They were never in it.
Did I hear someone call my name?
What a dumb league. This is so boring.
Cry
Cubs don’t have anyone better than Pepoit or Deluca to trade? Why didn’t they make the move?
Dafuq are you talking about. Stfu
What are you mad about? That the Dodgers made a trade?
You sound like a whiney lilbish
Yeah I’m mad that the Dodgers are the only team that have signed anyone of note so far and they seemingly have endless money. Can you believe it? Can you believe I wouldn’t be over the moon about that?
Is it your contention that if anyone voices any opinion in here other than praise and elation, that means they’re crying?
Do you think fans of other teams should be excited about this?
Dumba$$
Rays sent the Dodgers 4m
What I’m trying to say, is all your ballclubs are stupid, dodgers have more intelligence.
As a cope you yell “money” when these deals have had no advantage of money.
Y’all just suck balls, sorry.
“These deals have had no advantage of money”
What does that even mean? Are actually trying to claim that the Dodgers don’t have a financial advantage over most MLB teams?
Surely you can’t be that stupid. Surely.
They do, but it’s not as large as you’re making out out to be.
Idk if you’re a Cubs fan, but they don’t have advantage over them, Cubs have plenty of money and every advantage the Dodgers do. So crying from your end is pathetic. You’re getting bullied by Andrew Friedman, and you’re crying that he’s bigger than you, when in reality he’s the same size.
I think if anything it should start to make things move along with a quicker pace.
What he is saying I think is that this was a prospect for known talent, and not offer the most $ or get deferred compensation. It was a trade pure and simple
I have Pepiot on the fantasy team so going to Tampa will probably up his value and he will slot into a rotation spot instead of being in and out in LA. Although with Tampa he’s likely to need TJ surgery soon.
I hope this isn’t another episode of pay the pitcher who barely sees the field for the Dodgers. Have seen this movie many times for the Dodgers and it hasn’t ended well. Doubling down by signing him to an extension? Let’s hope it’s not a long-term extension.
25 million dollars deferred no doubt.
Jokes aside, Dodgers are probably going to monitor his innings, but if Kershaw does return by the summer, that’ll add another arm to the rotation. You know they’re not out on Yamamoto so that’s another right there. In the meantime, May and Gonsolin heal up, more arms for a playoff run. Good for you Dodger fans, your team keeps competing. Not sure about getting Margot, he’s not exactly going to light it up, but he’s a guy I suppose.
Has anybody considered what a dilemma this will be for ESPN? They want to show us every game the Yankees and Red Sox play but now with the Los Angeles Super Team they have a big decision to make
Thats what ESPN+ is for. Hopefully MLBTV subscription’s rates are not outrageously raised. Especially with the broadcast rights of so many teams being defunct
I feel like I still can’t entirely dismiss them from Yamamoto even though I really want to.
Dodgers fan. Will reserve final judgment until we know details of an extension. But, I am very high on Pepiot after last year. So for me to be happy, 1) the extension has to be reasonable, and 2) Dodgers need to flip Margot. If the $4 million from TB causes Margot’s CBT hit to come down to $5.5 million and the actual dollar hit to $8 million, hoping the Dodgers can move him quickly.
My guess is 5/$125MM or 7/$200MM for Glasnow’s extension.
Those are big differences! Zero chance I sign Glasgow for 7 years/$200. Zero chance. He’s already under contract for 1 year. 5/125 is basically a 6/150 deal. I am hoping it’s 4 years or less, the leverage being the injury history and he might want to be a Dodger now.
You’re fooling yourself as he has all the leverage being that he is only 30 he is going to want to secure one big contract without having to go through FA again. 6/150 is a minimum to get him to sign extension or deal is dead. He can possibly have a great year increasing his market for a much bigger payday after 2024
One’s a floor and one’s a ceiling. I doubt Glas signs a below market deal for an Ace. He’ll just bet on himself and test free agency next year.
30 is already past most players’ primes.
I read a study back around 2000 that 27 was the peak statistical year for offensive players. IDK if that has changed over the years or not.
I don’t see anything past 3-4 years, maybe with an option, given his age. No doubt the Dodgers got the best player out of the deal, but the injury concerns are real. Seems pretty clear that the Dodgers don’t particularly project Pepiot as a frontline starter, but he was valuable as a depth piece. Then again, he’s a guy who probably would be under an innings restriction because he only thrown over a 100 innings once in the minors.
Would have been interesting to see if Burnes was available, but signing him to an extension would have been pricey. Pricey enough that it could have taken them out of the race for Yamamoto.
Why would Glas sign a 3-4 year deal? He’s not a free agent, he’s under contract this year. He doesn’t need to take what the Dodgers offer if it’s a below market deal for an Ace.
Hope this means Cease is still an option with a realistic amount of prospects in return.
Cease is the real ‘get’ out of any of these tradeable starters. If the Dodgers had traded for Cease instead, that would have been the smart money move. I would have been impressed with that. Not so much with this.
If he’s healthy, he’s one of the best in baseball, so he’s getting paid. I think a 5/125 extension seems reasonable. I think he would easily get 6/150, even with his injury history.
I think LAD truly wants Margot, who hammers lefties, has performed well in Post season, and can play GG defense in the OF. His salary slots under Heyward’s, who is like the mirror image of Margot. Together they could put up a near league best RF combined WAR as a platoon.
.277/.293/.372/.665 vs lefties.
Not what I would call hammering.
Yeah, that’s more like lightly slapping.
I guess I was thinking of Margot in the playoffs. I remember him unexpectedly carrying them to the WS vs LAD.
LAD will win a ton in the regular season. I think they’re focused on building a veteran, fundamentally sound bench for the playoffs to match the Braves moves. Of course, any team can get hot and beat either like AZ did.
Can someone sign a deferred playing contract? Ex: He plays for LAD in 2024 and then 2027-2030?
it’s amazing that the rays are sending money here.
It’s for taking Margot off the Ray’s 40 man. Glasnow only has two 100+ IP seasons. Why give up pepiot for that? Confusing to me at least.
I think the Dodgers are selling high on Pepiot. The more I think about the more I think that he’s 26 and if you look at his minor-league stats he’s never been nearly as good as he was last year.
Pitchers, in general, develop later than position players due to it being more of a learned position. You could be right about Pepiot if he relies too much on velocity. But if he has good command of the off-speed stuff, at only 26, he could be the stud some are projecting him to be.
I get it’s to offset the mammoth $ discrepancy, it’s just odd to see a Dodger team ask the rays to throw in Money
It’s going to be So much fun this summer to stomp the crap outta the dodgers as they try to explain to their fanbase why tickets now cost $500 apiece for nosebleed seats to view the cluterflop on the field and Especially in the clubhouse
Deal in place for a new stadium and these a holes are selling off the organization. The owners should be banned like Pete Rose is. So f’ing tired of the Rays
They got two younger players and my bet is the Rays win this trade.
Both prospects are marginal at best.
WhoseHighPitch – Well that’s a stupid take. Did you give any thought to the Rays’ 3 top pitchers on IL, Franco possibly not playing next year, and the Rays’ payroll being 50% higher than it has ever been before making that statemen? Rays are just reloading for 2025 when all the pitchers (and hopefully Franco) are back. And it’s just a trade of 1 play on an expiring contract (Margot doesn’t count because he’s not very good). It’s not exactly a sell off.
So, self-proclaiming my own ignorance here, but I thought MLB could not tie contract extensions to trades. Please don’t beat me up too bad.
it’s rarely done but trades w/ extension agreements are legal …
What’s illegal is sign-and-trade deals like in the NBA. But it’s not illegal if a trade is contingent on a player agreeing to the framework of an extension.
That’s what I was remembering. Thank you.
I’m officially done watching baseball.
Good
See ya around
You will not be missed, though I guarantee you will still watch anyway.
Dodgers look smart with the Othani thing and then make a trade with the Rays. Does anyone ever look smart after making a trade with the Rays?
Do Dodgers prospects typically become stars when Friedman trades them?
The Nationals got Josiah Gray and Kiebert Ruiz, Ruiz got an extension from them and Gray was improving but to be honest I’m not sure how well those two prospects have done as of 2023.
The Ohtani contract is the worst of all time. They don’t look smart.
SD did alright with Snell.
Why keep putting Yankees in the equation..this is not the 90’s anymore.. I’m not even a Yankees fan.. but I can tell you this if the Dodgers monopolize the game all lot of people will indeed shy away from. And that is a fact.
I don’t think the Dodgers are out on Yamamoto, but I do think their odds to do so have shortened. If this trade has them over the tax threshold for the 4th straight year, adding what might be as much as a $30m CBT hit seems not a smart thing for them to do.
The money isn’t an issue for them, but once they get into the higher tiers, losing draft choices is a problem. I suppose they could dodge the CBT by again deferring his salary, but. Yamamoto may prefer to not have salary deferred since another team could offer better value by not deferring it.
Honestly, what the dodgers are doing is pretty disgusting… but, why would they care about draft picks when they can just buy them from another team once they develop? Their budget is completely endless and they have o worries about the luxury tax
Why is it disgusting? Wouldn’t you like it if the Cards actually spent on quality free agents and put out a team that could be considered the best in baseball?
This, Cards fan, is such a whiny comment. You embarrassed yourself by posting this! No Dodgers fan here but your team could do the same thing. The jealousy is disgusting. Start loading up on your Xanax now for if/when the Dodgers sign Yamamoto. Unbelievable
Stop defending this cheating team and don’t worry I already bet on the Dodgers purchasing Yamamoto because they can’t accept not winning 100 games and ruining this sport. And be quiet and stop acting like the Cardinals can afford or even attract a guy like Yamamoto.
They could afford him, but you’re right they can’t attract him because they’re in an area that he wouldn’t want to play in. There’s no cheating going on, they’re following the rules implicitly. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong. You’re pathetic.
No team can solely rely on signing FAs. Without draft picks teams won’t have prospects to trade. The Dodgers have their share of homegrown guys, Will Smith, James Outman, Kershaw, Bobby Miller, and until this year Julio Urias. I’m fairly confident that LA would not be so casual about losing draft picks.
But the Dodgers have also been good at picking up productive guys released by other teams like Max Muncy, and Justin Turner, or traded for guys like Chris Taylor. I’m not a Dodger fan, far from it, but I respect what they’ve done despite my opposition to them deferring salary as a tax dodge.
Now you know how the Rays compete year after year on low payrolls. Flip overpaid and overrated veterans for the young, the talented and the cheap. The funny thing is that everybody else in the league continues to oblige Tampa Bay with these deals.
Not sure why the Dodgers wanna sign another injury prone starter. Cool.
AF should have deferred on this trade.
League is getting bullied by Andrew Friedman, when in reality half the clubs have similar resources as the Dodgers.
Yankee, Red Sox, Cubs, White Sox, Giant, Brave, Blue Jay, Phillie, Angel, Ranger, Padre and Astro fans should be ashamed of yourselves. Coping that it’s “money” is pathetic. Keep seething bums.
You just listed 13 teams….how were they all supposed to sign Ohtani?
They all could afford 460m
Apparently there were at least 2 other $700 million offers….doesn’t sound like anyone was cheaping out. Dude wanted to be in LA and honestly so would I when it’s that level of money. Nobody else has the beaches and the weather LA does combined with a history. He would’ve been a Dodger from the start of the DH we’re in the NL when he came over.
Dodgers headed to a six man rotation
Zelensky should be pleading with Dodgers front office
Margot’s availability is scaring me as a Mariners fan.
He actually seems like a great fit for the M’s, but I could see them sticking him in as a primary starter in one of the corner spots.
Please don’t give me nitemares.
Not a great trade for LA. Tampa Bay will be happy with De Luca and Pepiot.
I’m sure Pepiot and Deluca are thrilled. A chance to play everyday and show what they can do.
Ridiculous, Tampa has Rasmussen, Springs and Mcclanihan out with TJ surgeries and they trade Glasnow for 2 marginal prospects at best. MLB is turning baseball into a joke. Some teams spend $300 million others spend $60. They need a cap with a salary floor or the game will become even more 1 sided as the years go on.
Neither are marginal prospects. LOL. You don’t know baseball.
I’m all for it. I love watching an organization like the dodgers build super teams only to fall flat on their face at the finish line. Thats the beauty of it. Last year we had the reds, orioles, marlins etc. in the playoff hunt and establishing themselves as future contenders, with a fraction of the payroll as the yankees mets dodgers etc.
Doesn’t seem like this trade moves the needle. We’ll see….
Rays are smart. Sure, they traded arguably their best pitcher but he’s going to leave them and he’s been injury prone as of late.
Rays pretty much made the postseason without Glasnow and they’ll most likely be in the running for it again this year. And yet they continue to build prospects to make their core stronger…
Good for the Dodgers. It’s nice to see a perennial contending large market team flexing their muscles in the quest for championships. Meanwhile in Chicago…’crickets’.
The Cubs did win the frenetic manager free agency.
chuck norris is so tough he got the dodgers to pay him the whole contract and he doesn’t play baseball
Glasnow has 60 career starts in Eight Seasons!
One season of more than 15 starts!
Never pitched more than 120 Innings in a season, EVER! Even at his age, has to be a bit innings limited
Putrid in the Postseason!
Betting on a complete REVERSAL of all history and track record is normally a very bad bet!
I forgot how much I love New York. Got a great cottage rented for the next 6 months in Greenwich CT until our house renovation is complete and in NYC to celebrate Hannukah.
This trade is not one I would have made. Glasnow has never made it through a season without missing months of time with injuries. Extending a guy like that doesn’t seem smart to me.
But then the Dodgers just paid $700 million for a guy that is not likely to ever pitch at a top level again. So maybe they just like making expensive and stupid moves.
Nobody cares about your cottage rental.
What nobody cares about is your comments. You never seem to talk about baseball, only other people on this board. Why is that? Don’t understand it? Just a troll?
It’s funny how you always seem to bring up your personal housing situation in your posts. That’s okay, it gives us some personal flavor.
I for one, am super impressed by your housing situation. You must be a very, very cool dude.
Congrats man. Leaving Florida has got be a relief. Heading home even more of one. What did you end up getting for your house in Florida?
Mask off Andrew Friedman might be aj preller
I do. My wife does. My kids and grandkids do. All my friends do. So you lose.
Then you get flagged and muted for being a total a$$ h0le. Congratulations. 3 strikes and you are out.
Lol Andrew Friedman is definitely not the mastermind everybody thinks he is.
Did Tyler and Manuel agree to the trade only if they were given veto power over future Dodgers moves like Ohtani has?
The dodgers continue to be the most pathetic franchise in baseball.
The A’s say hello.
So the Dodgers aren’t allowed to sign top free agents or make trades now? lol
All they do is trade for and buy superstars because they can’t accept losing. Apparently this is why sellout Ohtani decided to sign up for an easy ring.
I didn’t know they were supposed to win the world series every year. Same goes for the Yankees who have one legit world series in the last 45 years.
Apparently the crybabies that will continue to whine about the Ohtani contract act that way smh.
Davey, please give us some examples.
Examples? Of what? That doesn’t even make sense.
This seems like a pretty poor return for TB. What am I missing here? How were more teams not involved and offering a better return?
Maybe because Glasnow is both expensive and guaranteed to get hurt?
Because Glasnow is a huge injury risk. Look at his track record.
The Dodgers getting TB to pay them is pretty funny to me. I get how the deal is balanced but I have a vision of the Dodgers taking the $, throwing it a cup holder, and forgetting about it.
Margot better be cut if he can’t be flipped. Maybe the Dodgers can use a platoon RH OF but they can do better than him.
I hope my biggest fear is not developing….having the offseason be the highlight of the year. With the approach the front office is taking this year, there should be no excuse to not win a World Series within the next year or two.
What happens when the LA Dodgers Cooperation files for bankruptcy in 2034? Not that crazy of a question.
Probably more likely that they’ll be sold for 8 billion by that date.
They will own all the real estate under development around Chavez Ravine. Will be with tens of billions…richest ownership group I believe, though that may have changed with Mets or Texas owner.
“And oh what a bat it is!”
McCourt still owns the parking lot around Dodger Stadium.
Yeah what if The Rapture comes, or something?
Medium risk, huge reward gamble. Glasnow averages 58 IP/yr, has pitched 100 IP twice in 8 years and has maxed out at 120 IP. Despite this, anytime he pitches, he dominates.
If he gives the Dodgers 25+ starts along with a few playoff starts, he will likely be in contention for the CY Young. If he gives 120 IP at his normal level of pitching, that’s still pretty good. If he only goes 58 IP, then the Dodgers probably would have been better off with Pepiot. Only time will tell.
You got that backwards.
HUGE risk since he has never pitched more than 120 innings or made more than 21 starts in his 8 year career and he has been over 100 innings only twice.
Medium reward since his career ERA is nearly 4 and he will cost $25 million.
And yet even with all these changes and $$$ spent dodgers still won’t win a World Series
So the Rays are trading away $30 million in salary but sending $4 million to offset some of the money owed and now have $26 million dollars free to upgrade the roster right? Maybe arozarena can net them a couple more mlb ready pre-arb guys while we are at it. Two clubs who are successful in 2 completely different ways. Can’t knock either one really. They both improved.
Seibu – Actually, the Rays freed up a net $31MM (Glas’ $25MM and Margot’s $10MM – $4MM), and that still leaves the Rays about $15MM over their highest ever OD payroll. I still expect one of Aroz, Diaz and B.Lowe to be traded, and there’s a high likelihood they trade another $5-10MM worth of salaries on top of that (e.g., Fairbanks, Civale, H.Ramirez). 2024 will be a soft reset year for the Rays with 3 SP on IL and god knows what with Franco.
Mp2891- they probably do trade a few of those players and a couple of unknown or reclamation projects will show up and they still make the playoffs while on that reset. The Rays never really seem to miss a beat when they have injuries or trades. Maybe it is luck, but they do have a way of hitting on a lot of their gambles with roster construction.
I welcome all baseball fans to look at the 2004 Yankees roster. The Red Sox beat that with a team built on chemistry.
Best four innings every day that money can buy.
MLB is broken. Considering not renewing mlb.tv subscription. Maybe I’ll come back if Dodgers don’t win 130 games this year or choke in the playoffs again.
THIS is precisely why the Dodgers abuse the system and why the phony LA fans who defend them are morons. They say “oh we didn’t buy Betts, we TRADED for him!” But they signed him to an extension only LA could afford. And now they sign Glasnow to an extension only they can afford. This team won’t stop until they’ve bought every superstar on the market, ruined the sport, and given their phony fans the “joy” of multiple titles.
Boston could have afforded Betts, but they chose otherwise. EVERY MLB TEAM had the same opportunity to trade and extend Betts and Glasnow but did not, and the Dodgers offered Red Sox and Ray the best return in their opinion and made the deal!!!!
Suck it Mickey Solis you CLOWN !
Your comment is intelligent until you got to the point where you insulted the guy. Uncalled for, otherwise all good points
Thanks, Yanks2. The Yankees don’t even do what the Dodgers are doing. I don’t get how people feel these teams are created equal. They’re not. Payroll doesn’t tell the whole story either. Resources can be used many different ways and the Dodgers are intelligent of course but have advantages many clubs do not.
Phillies, Padres, Rangers, Yankees, Mets all had higher payrolls than the Dodgers last season.
The Padres did the same thing and wound up with a .500 record
I could see Dodgers offer 3 yrs@$11M a year with bonus for innings pitched to Glasnow. The extension I believe will lower tax hit from $25M.
dgrfns – Glas’ floor is probably 5/$125MM. He’s not a free agent and under no obligation to sign an extension.
Just here for the deferral jokes.
Extension is deferred till 2040, contingent upon many variables…
Great trade for Dodgers and Rays.
Where are my comments going?
En route to Toronto
I predict the next dodgers move is to hire the guy who convinced the rays to make the move. Friedman still apparently has friends in the organization.
A for Tampa. A lot of cheap years for 1 expensive year.
D for Dodgers. Extension if at a discount will help. Playoffs I want Mr Glass. Expensive in prospect cost.
Extension is better than expected so C for LA.
Hopefully, this takes LA out of the Yamamoto sweepstakes.
Doubt it, but that would be sweet. Ohtani will fire them all if they are out on Yamamoto. I hope they stay in, and he picks the Yankees anyway!
Dodgers have added ZERO starting pitchers to their 2024 rotation, so their needs have not changed. Pepiot was penciled in as the Number Three starter in 2024, plus Buehler is not starting until May.
So basically they just did the Chris archer trade all over ?
Archer at least had 3 and a third cheap years vs Mr glass 1 expensive year. Pirates also gave a recent first round pick.
I think it’d be like 3 years/$45M or 4 years/$100M w/ $60M in deferrals or something like that.
Trillionaire – Why would you think Glas will agree to anything below his current $25MM salary or take a short term deal? If he pitches like he’s capable in 2024, he’s in line for a $200MM+ deal next offseason He’s not selling himself short at this point.
No! No! No!
Not Pepiot for Glasnow? And who? Margot?
This will go down as one of the worst Friedman and Dodgers trades of all time!!
You have got to be kidding me!
Trade away Pepiot?
For sore armed Glasnow?
And NO HIT MARGOT?
One step forward and two steps back!
Glasnow a big time get for the Dodgers. Overlook the Rays acquisitions at your own peril, as an O’s fan its pretty crazy to see what the Rays can do with “under the radar” acquisitions. I typically pencil them in as one of if not the favorite to win the division most years now, they just maximize all the talent they bring in. I don’t think any team gets more bang for their buck than the Rays and I certainly wont be shocked if thats the case with this move as well.
You can’t tell me that Hoyer couldn’t come up with a package that beat this..? It’s not like the Dodgers are giving up Armstrong/ Horton value in this trade..?
Rondon – But no Cubs fan wanted to give up Horton, let alone PCA. Neither player was probably on the table in trade talks. I kept hearing Wesneski for Glasnow, who isn’t in the Pepiot ballpark.
The Dodgers overpaid with Pepiot. And would have wanted Wicks+ for a 30 yr old whose career highs in IP are 120, 111, 88 & 62 as a starter – He’s averaged less than 80 IP per year. (not counting his rookie year where he pitched 22 innings.). The Dodgers now have Bueler (who didn’t pitch last year) Bobby Miller 120 IP, Glass Joe, Dustin May who might be healthy again after the ASbreak and maybe Kershaw. IF they can get all those guys healthy for October they will be great. Until then I guess hope they scrore 6+ per game.
Very smart and orchestrated power play here by the Dodgers. Ohtani press conference followed by the Glasnow trade is designed to pull in and separate the Dodgers from the pack to entice Yamamoto to sign.
$ will entice moto
Desperate for pitchers much ? Glasnow has only exceeded 100 innings twice. in his career. He is a walking IL poster child.
The reason the Reds were able to nail down a Gray extension is because their new pitching coach was his coach from college and was like a surrogate father for him because his dad died when he was young.
After the time he had just spent in the Bronx getting booed, I wouldn’t be surprised if he paid hem for an extension! (j/k)
Excellent move by both teams. Glasnow is coming home and they got a solid OF in Margot. Ray’s doing what the rays do best in adding young talent to replenish. All around great deal. I’m interested to see what Glasnow will get as an extension. He’s 30 so I’m assuming 8 years 200?
Do you really think his track record warrents 8/200..no way he gets more than nola..or even remotely close..keep in mind in 8 seasons as a starter he has pitched less than 600 innings.interesting that the dodgers seem to be collecting pitchers with solid injury histories and get applauded for it
Yeah, no way he’s getting 200/8 until he proves he can pitch more than 120 innings in a season. Something he has never done once. Heck he’s only pitched 100 innings twice. Any team that gives him a long term deal right off the bat is nuts. A huge talent like Carlos Rodon, but any longer term deals will wind up in buyers remorse category, just like Rodon. I can’t see giving him longer than 3 years, just brutal injury history with this guy.
Pool – We’ll see. Glas doesn’t have t0 sign a deal, so talk of him signing a below market or short term deal is just nonsense in my opinion. He’s an Ace and the Dodgers are doing this trade on that basis. They’ll have to pay him accordingly if they want an extension.
And the deal is 4/$110MM of new money for a 5 year commitment at $135MM. There’s also an option for $30MM (team) or $20MM (Glasnow) that brings the total guaranteed money to $155 – $165MM. Seems fair to both sides.
Liked de Luca but loved Pepiot’s potential. Would have rather kept Pepiot and thrown in Michael Busch (although that’s likely another trade) and/or Sheehan.
The Delmon Young trade tree continues.
This is pretty good for the Dodgers.. Keeps the O happy for another year!!!
So, I wonder how long before Pepiot needs TJS? Luckily, he got out of one arm-killing organization in one piece but unfortunately he gets traded to the land where elbows go to die! Good luck, Ryan.
Two questions – 1) Why not Snell, 2) Just tell us what’s going on with Franco.
They’ll probably get Snell too
Nice trade for the Rays.
Rays hardly ever lose trades they keep winning a lot of them just like this one. There very calculated and smart
Hey if the Dodgers can pickup a few more arms we could see them have the sports first perfect season since the 1869 Cincinnati Redstockings went undefeated. At least in 2025 when their entire staff returns from Tommy John surgery. Actually I have to question this move. Ryan Pepiot appears better than Glasnow right now. That and Glasnow is far from proven. He’s yet to post enough innings in a season to qualify for the ERA title. The Ray’s keep committing highway robbery. Teams should just hang up the phone when Tampa calls.
Being a fairly new contributor I’m sure I’ll get eaten alive but here’s my $0.02. This guy wanted to win so bad that he wanted to stop the deck in his favor and every possible way. Come on let’s see this what it is. Even with all of the talent the Dodgers currently have he wasn’t confident enough in himself To be the difference maker and put them over the top. After all he played the last half decade with the best player in the world and came out with tons of personal accolades but bottom line , He has won nothing and is a Loser Just like many of greatest statistical players
I don’t like this trade at all!
IMO, Pepiot will be better than Glasnow.
Margot’? No. Not at all. Sheesh!
If you’re trading Pepiot, then you have to get Burnes or Cease or one of the Mariners young pitchers in return.
Dodgers not good at dancing.
One step forward and two steps back!
But I was told that I was “making stuff up” and that “Glasnow has very little trade value” when I suggested that he had more trade value and would warrant a bigger return then Tyler O’neil. That dude had serious attitude issues.
HAHA. Yeah, Cardinals fans were crazy in how they viewed their players in comparison to a Glas trade. O’Neill was traded for pocket lint and Glas fetched a high quality former top 100 prospect, a really intriguing 4th outfielder, and shed most of Margot’s salary to boot. Awesome deal for the Rays. Funny that the guy you’re talking about (I think) hasn’t commented on this comment thread at all.
It’s so tough being a Rays fan in the sense of being afraid of every off-season because one of your favorite players might be on the move… again.
I’m just hoping all teams keep their hands off of Randy. At the very least, I can be fairly confident the team won’t trade Raymond… the mascot.
Another MLBTR writer who doesn’t understand how to use commas. “Meanwhile” has to start the sentence with one comma after it. You can’t put it in the middle with two commas.
It may be awkward phrasing, but it’s grammatically correct. Starting sentences with numerals and misplaced apostrophes — these are the mistakes that offend my eye.