When we first polled MLBTR readers on the possibility of the Marlins trading Sandy Alcantara back in April, more than 87% of respondents said that Miami should try to trade Alcantara this year, before the trade deadline. There was certainly logic to that idea. After all, the Marlins were in a season where they had no hope of competing and Alcantara was widely expected to be the most sought-after player on the trade market. At the time, he had made three starts with a 4.70 ERA that appeared elevated, but he also had solid peripherals that suggested he was likely to be a surefire playoff starter for any team in need of rotation help.
Things have changed since then. Alcantara now sports a 7.01 ERA on the season as he’s struggled badly in his return from Tommy John surgery. His stretch of eight starts immediately following that poll saw him pitch to a shocking 10.09 ERA with a 16.1% strikeout rate, a 12.1% walk rate, and a FIP of 6.00. That stretch of brutal performances has evened out a bit since the calendar flipped to June, but even in six starts since then he’s posted a 4.89 ERA. That’s hardly an enticing figure for a team in need of a pitcher capable of fronting a playoff rotation, to say nothing of how concerning the season-long numbers are at this point.
Given Alcantara’s weak numbers, it’s easy to make the argument against parting ways with him at this point. His value is arguably at an all-time low, and the emergence of Edward Cabrera (3.33 ERA in 15 starts) this year means he isn’t even the Marlins’ best trade chip for the summer. Despite all of his struggles this year, Alcantara is still a former Cy Young award winner who is more than capable of turning things around. In fact, he’s already begun to show signs of improvement. While his last six starts have yielded that aforementioned unsightly 4.89 ERA, during that time his strikeout rate (18.2%) is trending in the right direction and his walk rate (4.1%) is actually better than ever. It’s not at all hard to imagine a strong second half putting the Marlins in position to get more for Alcantara this winter even in spite of the fact that he would be available for one less pennant race if traded after the season.
On the other hand, the possibility that Alcantara does not turn things around must be considered. It’s easy to forget in the glow of his dominant Cy Young season in 2022, but the right-hander’s 2023 was actually rather pedestrian as he posted a 4.14 ERA with a 4.03 FIP. That’s certainly a useful pitcher, but hardly the sort of ace a World Series contender would feel confident starting Game 1 of a playoff series with. The farther Alcantara’s peak in 2022 fades from memory, the lower his value will go and the harder it will be to convince interested teams that they’re buying low on an ace-caliber arm, unless he’s able to recapture that form.
Additionally, the market conditions this summer are very seller-friendly. There are only a handful of clubs certain to sell, and even fewer who both have and are willing to part with quality, controllable pieces. That gives the Marlins a great deal of power on the trade market, as they hold two of the best controllable arms who are expected to be available in Cabrera and Alcantara. With so many contenders in need of starting pitching and limited options available, it’s at least conceivable that a desperate team would be willing to take the risk of paying something close to full value for Alcantara’s services despite his brutal performance this year. The risk in waiting to deal a talented player whose production has taken a nosedive can be seen with the White Sox, who have frequently declined to trade Luis Robert Jr. in recent years amid hopes that he would put up a healthy, dominant season to raise his value. That hasn’t happened and now the Sox might not be able to get anything of note in return.
How should the Marlins handle the Alcantara question this summer? Should they trade him for what they can get this summer, or hold him to see if he can bounce back? Have your say in the poll below:
Doesn’t the option of “only trade him if someone offers a premium anyway” kinda, by nature, nullify the choice of “dont listed to trade offers on him and hope he can rebound”?
I wouldn’t say “get what you can get” but rather “trade now because he won’t be able to help your current rebuild”
His value is low(ered)… but holding onto him could degrade the value further.
The biggest question is how motivated are the marlins with lowering payroll.
If the payroll is the same or slightly higher than I think you keep him unless someone gives you something decent. Would the Yankees be interested yes, but that 17 million he commands next year costs them 34. Too big of risk for how he’s pitching now.
If he was a free agent to be I think even given his performance this year he still get 10 million with some incentives too probably.
Solid take!
IDK. Personally, I think any team trading anything of value for him now would be crazy.
It’s not a recipe for increasing your playoff odds, based on Sandy’s 2025 performance. I wonder how many teams would deal a considerable prospect package for a possible #5 starter. I still like him in the long run. He gets dealt after the season.
I don’t see the sense in trading him now unless you get a stupid offer. His value can’t go much lower. Let him have a healthy offseason and see what next year brings
His value can certainly get lower. The idea is he will start pitching well again eventually. The longer that takes to happen the lower his value gets. And they have to pay his salary in the meantime.
Pretty unlikely it’ll get lower than a 7 ERA
Right. He’s only got value to lose once he starts pitching better. Which means it can’t go much lower than it currently is
He’s probably not going to suddenly pitch like it’s 2022, but I highly doubt his ERA stays at 7.01, or gets worse. That’s excpeptionally hard to maintain while still remaining as a starting pitcher without an injury. Only 6 pitchers in baseball history have made 25+ starts with an ERA that high.
The Fish can’t expect more then mid level prospects for Alcantara, and they probably would have to send cash back in any trade. They probably should just hold on to this year, and hope he pitches better next season. Then trade him at the deadline.
Trade him to the White Sox for Luis Robert.
There you go…
Just make Hoyer your first call. No problem, He’ll give you half his farm system for a guy who’s expensive and stinking. He won’t give it a second thought. No really he’s never thought in his life. ” Must have the Precious”, Gollum
Troll
Doorknob. Wait that’s insulting doorknobs.
Look what happened with the White Sox and Luis Robert Jr
Thats pretty much already happening with Alcantara.
I don’t know if I’d say that Alcantara and Robert are in a similar situation. Alcantara had 3 seasons with 32+ starts before he had Tommy John surgery and missed like a year and a half. Robert has never shown any of the same consistency or durability. Just a really high peak when he was fully healthy for nearly an entire season, which was only 1 year.
Even in Alcantaras Cy Young season he had an ERA and run lower than his FIP and pitches half his games in an extreme pitchers park.
He’s still the kind of pitcher who is going to overperform some of his numbers like FIP. FIP is soley based on the three true outcomes. It won’t tell you he had a great 5.3% barrel rate or 87.8 MPH exit velocity in 2022. Even then, he still had a 2.99 mark, which was the 8th best in MLB in 2022. I expect him to slightly overperform his expected numbers, at least slightly.
Career FIP of 3.84. There is a long list of ordinary pitchers with better numbers than that.
I’m not really concerned about career numbers. The 4.55 FIP he put up in 2019 doesn’t have a barring on what kind of pitcher he is today. One, that was 6 years ago, and two, that was about average at the time. Even if we want to use his career FIP as the barometer, the list isn’t as long as you may think. He has the 21st lowest FIP in baseball among pitchers since his 2017 debut with at least 950 IP, and is only one of 26 total arms with that many innings and a FIP below 4.00. His 3.64 ERA pretty much reflects what his FIP says as well. That’s only a .20 difference, and pretty much negligible over a large sample size.
For current players nothing before 21 matters. 20 was the sss covid season, 19 was juiced ball and anything before that is old data
He wasnt good 6 years ago. He isn’t good today. But all you care about is when he was good??? Lol ok….
What about 2025. Does that matter? Because hes sucked in 2025.
He wasn’t bad 6 years ago. He was solid 6 years ago in 2019 with a 110 ERA+ and FIP that was around league average, he was a Cy Young winner 3 years ago. I’m not saying he’s still a Cy Young caliber pitcher, and he is having a terrible year. But to act like he was never that good, or that he’s like Luis Robert, who has only ever had 1 season where he was healthy, isn’t an accurate comparrison.
With dudes track record and contract its an absolute no brainer to keep him UNLESS teams overpay based on his career performance – not his current performance.
This would not even be a question if it weren’t the marlins.
Guys with TJ generally get better over time.Hes going the opposite. Wouldn’t touch that unless the took a Luis Robert’s type deal or throw in Cabera or top reliever. Otherwise top shelf is closed
Takes time. It’s his spring training and the injury requires arm strength building and confidence over time. DeGrom wasn’t exactly lighting it up upon return, but today he’s looking solid. Verlander, etc.
I think his ceiling is worth the trade. Someone will roll the dice. I’m sure there’s some level of holding back going on and if he’s in the right position with purpose, I’m sure an uptick may be in order. It’s hard to be excited about pitching for the Marlins and chancing your arm right off the bat.
Yeah but at least deGrom was playable. Alcantara has an ERA that starts with a 7, and all his ERA estimators (FIP, xFIP, SIERA, xERA) all hover around 4.50 or higher.
Right now there’s no apparent excess value in his contract. You might be willing to pay $17M per year for a back of the rotation starter, but it’s richly priced–and that’s before the prospect talent cost.
I’d be okay with the Orioles taking a shot on him rebounding next year, but not as much more than a salary dump, which I’m guessing the Marlins aren’t interested in doing at this point.
Don’t count out the Marlins looking to dump salary.
Typically I would agree, but I think Alcantara is too iconic of a player for the Marlins franchise for them to go that route.
Yeah, if someone’s empty headed enough to trade for him.
I feel like this is the same exact scenario the Dbacks are in with Gallen. Historically Gallen has been a top 10 pitcher in the NL for the past 4-5 seasons though having a weird down year in his last contract year. Typically, players over perform in their last year. I think it would be wise for both the Marlins and Dbacks to hold on to both pitchers and offer a QO and if declined they get a comp pick. I don’t think their value is that currently. Also, would hate to see the Dbacks give up Gallen.
Alcantara won’t be a FA until after the 2027 season. Miami has 2 1/2 more years of control for him than Arizona has w/Gallen.
Keep Alcanatara at the top with Cabrera and Perez. Marlins will be right there with the Phillies and their top three of Wheeler, Sanchez and Suarez.
Marlins hit on Stowers and Ramirez. Edwards is a good player, Conine was hitting a little before his shoulder surgery.
Avisail Garcia comes off the books next season, only a handful of arbitration raises. Could sign a bat in the off season and they have a good number of prospects to trade at the ’26 deadline if they are in a position to compete. If they aren’t, can still trade Alcanatara for a prospect or two next season.
Why trade Alcanatara if there is any possibility that he can still pitch like he did before his TJ?
I think the Marlins compete in ’26 with Alcanatara.
bwmiller79:
I think the Marlins are light-years from contending. Still, it’s hard to see if they should trade Alcantara or not. Obviously, if they know his performance is going to get better they should wait, but that can hardly be guaranteed at this point.
I think they can in next season with Alcantara, without him they are announcing their intentions to lose in ’26.
They cant sign anybody to replace Sandy Alcantara in FA and there are no bigtime FA bats to add outside of the few seeking long term deals. Best shot to win is a healthy and strong Alcantara at the top of the rotation.
bwmiller79:
You might be right, but I think .500 is a more realistic expectation than actual contending. Besides with the weather finances work, it’s just a matter of time before they trade him.
Depends what the goal of the Marlins is. Can someone answer that first?
Trade low? no team is going to give up value for something he did years ago hoping to achieve it again seeing the current form he is in.
I choose option four. “Trade him only if someone is stupid enough to want a guy with a 7.01 ERA”
Perfect.
Hoyers cubs will pay the premium so just wait him out!
Should the Marlins trade him? Probably, will they? That’s the question.
Realizing that most pitchers are better in year two after TJ surgery you hope gets better and helps the Marlins be competitive next season. Flip side is if you trade him now the acquiring team gets at least one year of control plus the team option for ’27, which in itself adds value to the deal. Wait and he either gets injured again, continues to be ineffective and comes with less control and you get a possibly worse package than you might get now
Marlins should’ve traded him after he won the Cy Young.
Alcantara, Cabrera, Perez, Meyer, Weathers, Garrett – ’26 could be the year.
If they get Schlittler, Hess and Jones for Alcantara that would be good but its that kind of return that justifies the trade and I dont know that they will get that.
Trade him? More likely they’ll have to release him.
Despite Luzardo’s recent struggles, the Marlins sold low on him. It’d be a massive mistake to do the same with Alcantara.
Did the Marlins sell low on Trevor Rogers too? Was that a mistake?
Luzardo was younger, less expensive, and not coming off a recent elbow surgery. Realistically, the only thing the Marlins have to lose with Alcantara is a year of control. Just see what he can do and hope he has a second half rebound, or can start of next year hot and can trade him during summer.