Cardinals right-hander Sonny Gray took home the win in today’s game against the Giants, and Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle wrote this afternoon following the game that San Francisco may have an especially close eye on the 35-year-old right-hander. That’s because Gray is, in Slusser’s words, “on the Giants’ radar” and “very much a potential target” for the club this offseason.
It’s not hard to see why San Francisco might be interested in bringing in a pitcher like Gray. After all, Logan Webb and Robbie Ray are the only two players locked into the Giants’ 2026 rotation. Veteran right-hander Justin Verlander is ticketed for free agency, and while it’s possible than Landen Roupp has done enough to earn himself a spot in the rotation with 22 solid starts for the Giants this year, Kyle Harrison’s work in 24 starts with San Francisco last year wasn’t enough to keep a rotation spot headed into the 2025 campaign. With Harrison and Jordan Hicks both having been dealt to Boston as part of the Rafael Devers trade, it stands to reason that the Giants will look to add at least one starter this offseason. Two wouldn’t even be far-fetched for the club, particularly if Verlander walks in free agency.
It’s against that backdrop that the Giants are likely, at least in Slusser’s view, to check in on Gray. The veteran hasn’t looked quite the same as he did when he finished second behind Gerrit Cole in AL Cy Young award voting back in 2023 with the Twins during his two years in St. Louis, but he’s generally been a quality arm for the Cardinals all the same. In 56 starts since joining the organization, Gray sports a 4.13 ERA with an exactly league average ERA+ of 100. That could be construed as Gray being little more than a back-of-the-rotation arm at this point in his career, but a 3.30 FIP, a 3.17 SIERA, and a 2.97 xFIP tell a different story.
Since arriving in St. Louis, Gray has struck out an incredible 28.3% of his opponents while issuing free passes at a clip of just 5.3%. That’s good for the sixth-best K-BB% in baseball among qualified starters over the past two seasons; only Tarik Skubal, Garrett Crochet, Paul Skenes, Logan Gilbert, and Zack Wheeler have been better in that regard. That’s impressive company to keep, and Gray has been somewhat held back by poor luck on batted balls and sequencing issues. His .314 BABIP and 68.3% strand rate are both far worse than his career norms. Not all of his poor results have been bad luck, as Gray’s 9.4% barrel rate over the past two years is the 11th-highest in the majors among qualified starters, and that’s led to a major spike in home runs. San Francisco’s Oracle Park is one of the best in baseball at suppressing homers, however, meaning that Gray’s issues with the long ball would be tamped down significantly if he were to be dealt to San Francisco.
That all leaves him looking like a strong fit to join Webb and Ray in the 2026 rotation on paper, but it’s fair to point out that a solid on-paper fit doesn’t necessarily mean that a deal will get done or is even particularly likely. Gray has been in the rumor mill as a potential trade candidate frequently over the past year but has routinely declined the opportunity to waive his no-trade clause in search of greener pastures. The Cardinals have indicated a willingness to move him both this past offseason and at this summer’s trade deadline, but Gray has rebuffed those efforts on both occasions. That doesn’t mean his feelings on the matter can’t change this offseason with the Cardinals likely to miss the postseason and a new head of baseball operations in Chaim Bloom slated to take over following John Mozeliak’s impending retirement, but as of now Gray has shown no desire to leave St. Louis behind.
Getting Gray to agree to a trade may be easier for the Giants than it would be for other clubs. As Slusser notes, Gray is very familiar with the Bay Area after spending the first four-and-a-half seasons of his career pitching for the A’s in Oakland, and during that time he played for and grew close with current Giants manager Bob Melvin. Slusser writes that Melvin and Gray have remained close in the years since their time together in Oakland, and it’s not hard to imagine that a homecoming to the place where he started his career to play for a manager he’s fond of would be a tempting offer for Gray. That’s particularly true if the Cardinals don’t look especially likely to compete in 2026 after what’s likely to be three consecutive seasons without a playoff berth.
Of course, even if Gray agrees to a deal with San Francisco, there’s still the matter of actually working out a trade with the Cardinals. St. Louis surely knows that Gray is an attractive asset and would hope to market him to more clubs than just the Giants if he agrees to be dealt, though Gray would be able to curate the list of teams he’d be willing to accept a deal to. Plenty of teams might be put off trading for the right-hander by the massive $35MM salary he’s owed in 2026 by virtue of his back-loaded contract with St. Louis, to say nothing of the $5MM buyout that will most likely be owed on a 2027 mutual option.
That’s effectively a $40MM investment on a pitcher who is more projection than production over the past two years, and Slusser suggests that the Giants would likely only be willing to offer a meaningful return for Gray’s services if the Cardinals eat a significant portion of his salary. That’s certainly not an unreasonable stance, but for a Cardinals club without much money on the books for 2026 they might prefer to just hold onto Gray in hopes he can help them compete next year or pitch well enough to command a larger return next summer if they can’t get much other than salary relief for his services.
Gray, of course, isn’t the only player who could feasibly be targeted by the Giants this winter. Slusser suggests that Luis Castillo could be made available by the Mariners this winter after the Giants pursued him last year, and perhaps one of the heavily-discussed arms from the deadline who didn’t move like Sandy Alcantara or Joe Ryan could be dealt as well. As for free agency, a number of interesting arms are set to be available including Dylan Cease, Framber Valdez, Brandon Woodruff, and Zac Gallen. That, of course, is in addition to Verlander, who has a 3.18 ERA with a 2.75 FIP since the All-Star break and may be a preferred option to bring back for the Giants given his second-half performance.

Loved Sonny in St. Louis so far but yeah, the cardinals should move him if he’s willing to waive the NTC. Only problem is he’s been open about wanting to be close to family in Nashville. Should be an interesting situation to follow
I was gonna say the same thing. Doubtful he will wave it
Posey will give him a 120 million extension.
Oh Darren. Says the 355m payroll dodger fan. At least this one has some semblance of originality. Well done. You are improving.
I doubt Buster Posey is going to give something nearly as bad as Darren Dreifort’s contract.
Hot Stove season has officially commenced.
Gray has said repeatedly he doesnt want to be traded. And hes owed an enormous sum of money. This makes no sense whatsoever.
Cubs fans shouldn’t be writing nonsense articles about the Cardinals.
Does that mean you will stop making nonsense comments about other teams?
I’ve heard they want both Gray and Arenado, maybe even Contreras.
This site has posted a lot of pieces about the cards trading guys who made it clear they will not waive their no trade clauses. It’s been quite the head scratcher.
Baffling ! What’s the name of this site again ?
@Big whiffa Even rumors should have some credibility to them.
Either that, or good controllable players like Donovan who the Cardinals aren’t giving up without at least comparable MLB talent in return.
This article is based on Slusser’s piece, and she’s the Giants beat writer, so it’s not without some merit.
How many articles has this site posted about where Kyle Tucker will be playing in 2026?
I am sure that subject has merit. Look it up.
Plenty, and there will be even more once he’s officially a free agent. I mean, that is what this website is all about. I’m sure Padres fans heard plenty of Cease and King being trade targets last offseason on this website. We all saw it, we all made jokes about it. I mean, it comes with the territory.
I dont know where the rumors about the Padres trading Cease or King came from. They never made any sense.
Tucker is the number 1 available free agent this offseason. It’s a subject worth discussing, far more than this post is. And how much has it been discussed here? Not a lot.
Take off your shoes and try counting again. It has been discussed a lot.
@ king, it’s a negotiation tactic rather if you mean it or not. Every player must say they are unwilling to waive their no trade clause, therefore if they are traded – they will be compensated financially for it
If Sonny does waive the NTC, paying $20 mil should do the job for a trade. That would save the Cards $17 mil.
Then Bloom can take that $17 million and pay a back of the rotation arm like Lynn or Gibson. Sounds like a plan.
How many back of the rotation guys do the Cardinals need? They already have 4 of them.
I think that was JIMMY RACER’s point.
A rather poor plan. In that case, they might as well just keep Gray. The Giants need to cough up some controllable MLB pitching to make the deal worth it for the Cardinals, which likely defeats the point of the deal for the Giants.
Giants aren’t likely to be THAT interested in Gray regardless of his affection for the bay Area and BoMel.
They will need at least one solid #2 or #3 starter. Gray is not that. He’s a #5 now, old and expensive. Perhaps if the Cards pay down his remaining contract quite a bit (which might not make sense for the Cards) Gray could be the Giants #5.
But SF has three solid arms (Webb, Ray & Roupp) with Whisenhunt capable of stepping in at #5. So I don’t see the match.
Full NTC. He lives near Nashville in offseason. He and his wife Jessica have young kids now. I don’t see him waiving his NTC unless the Giants or another team are willing to make it worth his while financially by guaranteeing the 2027 option year.
Gray is owed $35 million in 2026 plus a $5 million buyout of a $30 million team option for 2027. Guaranteeing that $30 million might be enough to get him to waive the NTC. The question is would he even consider a west coast team?
If the Giants pick up his 2027 option, he might consider it, only because it’s Bob Melvin. But other than the Giants, he’s probably not going anywhere for the reasons you mentioned.
well I think it is fair as well to question whether melvin is even there next year
I’m thinking that before getting interested in a player with a NTC, the Giants might call his agent first and get an indication of the willingness to waive it for that team.
Seems like the logical approach.
What is with the giants and signing these old pitchers? I feel like I could name a gazillion pitchers they’ve signed past their prime since Randy Johnson in 09”
Ok. Then name just ten.
Jeff samardzija
Johnny cueto (he doesn’t really count)
Tim Hudson
Ross stripling
Anthony Deschlafani
Justin verlander
Alex wood
Jake peavy
Ryan vogelsong (he wasn’t that bad)
Barry zito
Those are the 10 people I remember
it’s because every team does this. Part of the reason is that only older pitchers become available, especially in free agency and if you don’t have the depth to fill out a rotation, you are trying to get the best arm you can afford and often those are older guys
The bigger question is:
How did the Giants win 3 rings while the Mariners have yet to win one? Even with old pitchers?
because during that period they didn’t have old pitchers – they had old pitchers at the back end. your front of the rotation was lincecum, cain and bumgarner and the older zito who had already been there ahead of that somehow turned it on in 2012 as well as vogelsong who were in their 30s but most of that list are in the decade + following that run of WS.
sad, Half your list doesn’t fit your criteria of “old pitchers”.
Samardzija was 31,
Cueto was 30,
DeSclafani was 31,
Alex Wood was 30,
and Barry Zito was 29.
Ross Stripling, Jake Peavy, and Ryan Vogelsong were 33.
Hudson (38), and Verlander (42) were the only guys over 35.
30 is about the average for FAs. Try to come up with a list of FA pitchers signed before age 30. By your logic every FA pitcher is old. So every team signs old pitchers.
Jean you never disappoint.
I was suspect of the same issue, but way too slow to do the research.
sad tormented —
Yes, but you’re listing players signed many years ago by long-gone front offices. Giants are mostly developing pitchers (Webb, Whisenhunt, Harrison, Seymour et al). and of course before them Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner et al.
I wasn’t saying this current giants front office was weird, only old pitcher posey signed was mr 3 cy young’s verlander so I don’t blame him for that
I was just saying that I feel like San Francisco is where veterans go to die, I can’t believe I actually wrote 10 names just to get clowned on
again though you can say that with literally any team. pick any team and they have pitchers older than those on that list I mean look at the dodgers where glasnow, snell and ohtani are older than half the people on that list when they signed with the giants
“…I feel like San Francisco is where veterans go to die….”
Oh you admit that it’s merely your perception with zero data to back it up.
Maybe look at your own team. They’ve signed some older pitchers like:
Jamie Moyer
Jose Mesa
Shigetoshi Hasegawa
Miguel Batista
Jarred Wahburn
Cliff Lee
Jamie Wright
Kevin Millwood
Aaron Harang
Chris Young
Fernando Rodney
Mike Leake
Cory Gearrin
Ryne Stanek
But they seem more inclined to sign older position players like:
Ruben Sierra
John Olerud
Scott Spiezio
Bret Boone
Raul Ibanez (2nd stint)
Carl Everett
Miguel Cairo
Russell Branyan
Griffey Jr. (2nd stint)
Mike Sweeney
Chone Figgins
Jack Cust
Ichiro (2nd stint)
Miguel Olivo
Jason Bay
Henry Blanco
Corey Hart
Denard Span
Edwin Encarnacion
Carlos Santana
Kolten Wong
Justin Turner
Rowdy Tellez
Mitch Garver
Donovan Solano
I’m not criticizing the M’s for signing these guys. But it shows that every team does this. You need to rid yourself of misperceptions, and look at actual facts.
This seems unlikely given his NTC and his 40m owed for one season.
Though he likely will be one and done with the cards if he isn’t traded. So does he plan on retiring after next year. Otherwise he will be on a new team a year later anyways.
A team he gets to choose in free agency
$35M next year, $5M buyout in 2027, but point taken.
The offseason started earlier this year.
Another ridiculous “expected to” story.
We have to do a better job in free agency.
It’s Framber to target.
No way on Verlander, not likely on Gray.
Frambert would be a good fit at Giants ballpark, dude loves inducing groundballs, and the defense would be right up his alley.
I like his movement and durability.
Fellow countryman Devers, Adames, and Rodriguez could help recruit. Agent is not Boras so they would have a chance at him.
Framber ? The guy who deliberately crossed up his catcher and nailed him with a fastball ?
I’m not so sure on that fit. Ballpark, probably. Clubhouse, not so sure.
Never heard about that, but hey maybe the guy stole his gal and had it coming.
Like his product, but don’t know the man.
Worth a look. Just last week. Astros v Yankees. Very ugly. Could be a blip though. People are cranky this time of year.
oldgfan —
Here, here!
I’m sure a former catcher like Posey loves the idea of signing a guy who intentionally crosses up his catcher.
Frambert is a no.
Last winter should be instructive.
Gray is going nowhere.
Maybe, but…
1. New GM for the Cards in ’26
2. Possible CBA work stoppage this offseason
3. Team being set up for sale?
4. Rebuild year with mixed results this season
5. Maybe another “reset” in ’26?
We’ll see 😊
1. Yes
2. Not until the 2026-27 offseason, and even then an actual work stoppage is very unlikely
3. Completely untrue
4. Basically, but…
5. The plan is still to compete seriously again starting next year.
@Landirac
Thanks for clarifying #2. You’re right. That said, next year’s payroll/long-term contracts can definitely be impacted by upcoming CBA.
3. I posited a scenario, not a declaration. Everything is just rumors, but the big broadcasting baseball brains have openly discussed the machinations of a possible sale and it sounds like it’s a possibility, given the way things are playing out, presently.
The DeWitt family is aging and the long-term success of the MLB is changing. The demographics aren’t good. Fanbase is getting older and though revenue is up, the game isn’t growing with younger people.
If I owned a baseball team, I would take a long, hard look at the demographics/future of the game.
5. We don’t know what the plan is. We have hints, but the organization has been quite tight-lipped about how committed they are going to be about spending money in ’26 to fill in the gaps.
This year has clarified a lot of players’ abilities, so I view the season as a positive, but we simply don’t know how committed ownership/Bloom are, at this point. I think it’s fair to express possibilities, because I think they’re pretty darn open.
Maybe Gray could be traded, but what could the Giants offer in return? The Cardinals will be mostly looking for controllable MLB pitching this offseason, especially if they’re going to give up one of the starting pitchers they already have. It’s not like they’d want to weaken the MLB roster in exchange for prospects when they plan on seriously competing again next year.
Yet you pointed out that the Giants are short on pitching themselves. Furthermore, does it make sense for the Giants to acquire Gray just to give up younger MLB pitching in return? Gray is still a pretty good pitcher, but he’s no longer the ace that he used to be and has been pretty inconsistent this year.
I think it’s doubtful the Cards want controllable MLB pitching now. They probably aren’t going to contend next season, and are at least a year and probably 2 from doing so. I think they’ll be looking for near MLB prospects, ready in 1-2 years, when they’ll have a better chance at contending for the PS.
Contending next year has always been the plan, and it’s achievable with the right offseason moves, including an expected payroll bump closer to their 2024 spending level.
Given that, of course they need controllable MLB pitching with their inconsistent rotation and half of their current bullpen consisting of scrap heaps who should still be in AAA. (They could use a hitting upgrade or two as well, but the pitching is the much bigger issue.)
Although, the good news is that the other half of their bullpen is still really good even after trading away 3 of their best relievers.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, on the Cards’ plans for contending next year or not. What I understand is they’re planning a rebuild, or at least a re-tooling. Everything I’ve read seems to indicate they’ll be giving their prospects long looks, and won’t be spending much in the offseason.
That’s what they’re already doing THIS season for ONE YEAR ONLY. Now they do know what they have with most of their prospects.
Meanwhile, I know you haven’t read anything official about a rebuild, because the Cardinals have NEVER said that a rebuild is even an option.
Again, agree to disagree. I never said I read that they’re planning a rebuild. Teams generally don’t do that, because it can limit fan interest, and ticket sales.
But everything they’ve done recently, trying to trade veterans, and not spending in the offseason, suggests they are. Most of the guys acquired at the deadline aren’t MLB ready, and have an ETA of 2027.
Plus I said retool or rebuild, and I’d guess retool is the more likely. But, I’d bet you haven’t read anything official saying they aren’t retooling or looking to rebuild.
36 year old gray ain’t coming to giants if they have to deal prospects for him.
Sonny specifically chose St Louis because it was closer to his home. He even reportedly gave at least some thought to retiring after last year, saying that his intial plan was a 10 year MLB career, and then family would take precedence.
I seriously doubt he will play on tne west coast again.