Padres president of baseball operations A.J. Preller is under contract through 2026. It’s been suggested by some that he is fairly safe in his job but a report today from Dennis Lin and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic casts at least a bit of doubt on that. The report notes that an extension is possible but not guaranteed and goes into detail about some behind-the-scenes tensions between Preller and CEO Erik Greupner. The report adds that Greupner has a small stake in the team and is therefore a part owner.
The story coming out of San Diego is seemingly changing daily. The Padres lost to the Cubs in the Wild Card round but had just finished their second consecutive season winning at least 90 games. They made the playoffs for the fourth time in six years. Just last week, it was reported that Preller and manager Mike Shildt would likely return to keep the good times rolling.
But this week, Shildt surprisingly stepped down from his post. Reports then emerged of significant tumult behind the curtain, with multiple staffers having apparently had an awful time working under Shildt. Staffers from Shildt’s time with the Cardinals reported similar behavior from him at that time.
Even as the sunlight was hitting Shildt’s terrible management skills, Lin wrote that many within the Padres still expected Preller to be extended. Today’s report is a bit less firm. The report notes that some Padres employees have observed increasing tensions between Preller and Greupner.
The report notes that Preller’s preferred choice for the manager role going into 2024 was Ryan Flaherty, though it’s suggested that Greupner and special advisor Eric Kutsenda may have overruled him to tap Shildt instead. Earlier this week, Lin reported that team sources said Greupner and Kutsenda were heavily involved in Shildt’s hiring.
There has been all kinds of turnover within the Padres since Preller was hired to run the front office in 2014. The Padres were rebuilding then but, as mentioned, have emerged and been quite successful over the past six years. Those rebuilding years saw the Padres cycle through managers but even the recent on-field success hasn’t stabilized the skipper position. Jayce Tingler had the gig for 2020 and 2021 but reported clubhouse discord led to him being fired and replaced by Bob Melvin. Melvin himself lasted two years before he jumped to the Giants amid whispers of a rough relationship between him and Preller.
Peter Seidler was the owner of the club until he died in November of 2023. His death led to plenty of friction at the ownership level as well. Kutsenda was named interim control person for a while but eventually passed that title to Peter’s brother John Seidler, though there has been an ongoing legal battle about control of the club. That battle also involves Peter’s widow Sheel, as well as his brothers Matt and Bob.
It seems there’s been constant churning in the power vacuum left by Peter’s death. It’s unclear exactly how things are currently structured but Preller is working for a group that he didn’t really choose to work for and that group is working with a president of baseball operations they didn’t hire. The lack of extension for Preller could be meaningless. It could also signify that the new group isn’t as keen on him as Peter was. It could also signify that Preller isn’t thrilled with the new arrangement.
Today’s reporting from The Athletic indicates that Greupner has taken on a prominent role behind the scenes. He and Kutsenda seemingly preferred Shildt over Flaherty as they wanted to make a safe pick and stop the game of musical chairs in the dugout. Shildt was in his mid-50s and had previous managerial experience, whereas Flaherty was only 37 years old at the time and was just a few years removed from his playing days.
The attempt to stabilize the dugout didn’t work out, as Shildt is now gone. Flaherty’s name has already been connected to the Padres’ opening. Based on today’s reporting, it seems like Preller would probably like to hire Flaherty. However, it appears he may not have the ability to make a unilateral decision, based on how things went down two years ago. Perhaps the Shildt situation not playing out as hoped will earn Preller a bit more leeway to make the call this time, though that’s completely speculative.
As pointed out by The Athletic, it’s also unclear if Preller’s contract status plays a role in the managerial search. For the new skipper, you would ideally like to know that the front office leader you are working with will be around for more than one season.
Perhaps all this is much ado about nothing. It’s entirely possible that Preller is extended, maintaining continuity for a franchise that has had a lot of recent success, though like the proverbial duck which is calm above the surface and furiously kicking below. A few weeks from now, maybe Preller is secured and a new manager is hired. Whatever the path forward, the Padres should probably figure it out soon. Offseason doings are just a few weeks away and the club has a lot of work to do, as Dylan Cease, Michael King, Ryan O’Hearn, Luis Arráez and others are becoming free agents, with Robert Suarez likely to opt out as well.
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Preller is shady. Not a fan
Preller needs to start keeping prospects. Mix in prospects with the veterans we have.
Twice suspended by MLB he’s a fraud
How’s that saying go….if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying.
Only cheaters say that
Best GM in the game. SD would be crazy not to extend him.
The voice of reason, thanks Lou!
He’s one of the better GMs/PoBOs in MLB,, no doubt.
He is far from the best GM. He is too much about the win now and no eye towards the future. You can’t blow out the farm system and sign a bunch of horrible contracts and be considered the best. Has he won a world series or even been in the world series? I like his desire to win, but he is too reckless. The window is closing for them and they will be stuck with highly overpaid guys taking up space. They are not a big enough market to outspend those mistakes.
“Best” is subjective, and a game I dont wish to play. I agree with Lou’s second sentence 100% though.
The important part is he’s made the Padres relevant with the moves he’s made.
This means additional butts in seats, better revenue stream opportunities, and a national visibility that was missing for quite a long time.
He might not have made every great move, but he has increased the value of that team significantly. If they drop him and make the wrong hire due to ego, that value will be impacted. It’s a business first.
Sox, one GM wins the WS a year. Very few win the whole thing. San Diego sold out the vast majority of their games the last couple years. When I first started to go to games you could buy an upper deck ticket and move down to the field no problem. Prospects are currency, he trades and restocks. Teams always want his prospects. Back to back playoffs and 90-win seasons is something rarely seen in San Diego. They didn’t win the WS but you can bet San Diego fans are happier than they have ever been. Preller is the architect of that.
The Athletic as always is trying to will something they want into reality.
How many teams have won 90 games each of the last two years and made the playoffs four of the last six years? Preller is doing his job. It’s up to the manager, the coaching staff and ultimately the players to win games in the playoffs. If he leaves SD, there are a dozen other organizations who should offer him the job of PBO. Besides, he’s good for baseball. Who, more than Preller, makes the trade deadline one of the most exciting days of the summer?!
No parades for exciting trade deadlines.
Most fans want see a win during their Petco visit. I’ve never said well I blew $200 to see a loss but at least the farm system is stacked.
There’s a direct correlation in baseball to top farm systems and sustainable success. Recent examples are the Astros, cubs, nationals, braves and dodgers all had top farms and won couple years later.
Preller had a billionaire owner in win now mode because he was in very poor health, was indeed dying towards the end. He played towards those wishes. I agree some of the trades gave up too much, especially the Gore-Abrams-Wood trade or the everything in the sock drawer trade to Cleveland for a soon to be ruined Clevinger. One thing a Preller org does well is draft talent, grist for the trading mill I guess, it’s a joke how much SD draftees are spread out around the league.
You’re thinking of Dombrowski. Preller always seems to have a stacked farm even after numerous high profile trades.
He traded 22 yo Trea Turner – enuf said.
71 out of 81 home games sold out. Padres were #2 in MLB in attendance. Preller had a lot to do with that. He makes money.
His dismal minor league system is going to outlast him for years to come.
@abcrazy4dodgers I’ll bookmark your comment when Preller is still GM and the Padres are still competitive in years to come
@abcrazy
The one that is declared dead after every round of Preller trading, but somehow fetches new major league talent at the trade deadline every year?
The padres are a complete mess
@Buttters…..now you’re just projecting! If you say the Padres are just bi-curious, it will be obvious you are Cartman’s lackey.
He hasn’t won anything
He hasn’t won a pennant or a world series or the division. All those can be true and he can still be a huge success when you consider he’s gotten the team to playoffs 4 times in the past 6 years when prior to that they had made the playoffs only 4 times in the previous 35 years.
He turned a 2nd or 3rd tier organization to one of the biggest draws in the game.
Best gm? Best at making dumb trades the fans love.
Slam Diego!
When your leaders are Machado & Tatis, who the “Best GM” signed til they retire…your finished. Look 123 miles north to see how it’s done. A mixture of home grown, trades & free agents, but all class professionals.
Agreed. Other than the regrettable misfire on Trevor Bauer, Friedman has targeted team-first stars. Ohtani, Betts, and Freeman are consummate teammates and team leaders. Machado and Tatis–the opposite of that.
Bauer didn’t cost them also
I wouldn’t want him to date my daughter, but Machado will be in the HOF and Tatis could very well join him. The Dodgers payroll in 2025 was $100 million more than SD’s. Give Preller that $ and the Padres would have won at least 3 more games to tie the Dodgers in the NL West. Don’t you think? And before you start touting LA’s accomplishments, remember they have won exactly one legitimate WS since 1988. That’s quite a disappointment for an organization that demonstrates “…how it’s done.”
“they have won exactly one legitimate WS since 1988.”
Always the dumbest take
Yeah, as much as I hate LA, they won a legit series in 2020. I hate it, but it’s just a fact. If the Pads, Tigers, or Giants won that year, I wouldn’t be discounting it either.
But between covid, my niners losing the super bowl by allowing 21 points in the last 7 minutes, Kobe dying, the dodgers and Lakers winning rings, the George Floyd murder, and all of the other crap I’m forgetting off the cuff, that was the worst year ever, bar none.
@fenway…are we really going to talk about payroll? Again?
If it’s just payroll, let’s talk about the Yankees, Mets, Phillies, etc. Or how about the dumbest extension the Padres have, with Darvish. Or the terrible contract for Bogaerts. Money doesn’t solve the problems, good scouting does. The Dodgers had one of the worst off seasons by their standards, dedicating nearly 100 million to 3 guys who were sub replacement. But 2 of those guys were 1 year deals. Who knows how Scott pans out over the next few years.
And the absolute dumbest take of all time is 2020 not being legitimate. ALL of the teams had the same chance that year. If Boston wasn’t being run by the absolute dumpster fire that was Blooms front office at the time, they might’ve won. Would that have cheapened it for you?
“FenwayMonster”
Stay classy, Red Sox Nation!
Ah, the old one legitimate WS crap, again. Most serious baseball people consider 2020 to be a very, very difficult year for teams. Not fans, obviously, and include myself.
I love how these guys have that take but won’t ever talk about how they were famously cheated out of a World Series in 2017. Like that one totally counts but 2020 doesn’t, got it. And last year’s WS championship probably didn’t count too for some reason because of money or they didn’t celebrate correctly or something. Look forward to finding out how this year doesn’t count either.
JuanUribeJazzHands:
The 2020 World Series counts and it certainly is legitimate, but I admit, I don’t look at it the same as a regular World Series victory.
If the Madres had won the WS in 2020, would it still have been illegitimate in your eyes?
I see so many posts calling 2020 not a true title, yet everyone seems to forget that they were rooting for their team to win what the Dodgers did.
@Miken31
Agree with this. No disrespect to Dodgers, who were the best team in the playoffs and survived the most chaotic playoffs ever, but it was a 60 game season. Not their fault, but it’s just a special championship. Imagine if we had a 60-game cutoff for the regular season this year — Mets not only would’ve made the playoffs, they would’ve been the number one seed!
But certainly, 2020 championship is legitimate, which is more than I can say about 2017 or 2018. Crazy how Dodgers were participants in all 3.
They’re a bit tainted in my eyes. Still, Red Sox were clearly the best team in 2018 and Astros were, at worst, slightly behind the Dodgers in 2017. Spilt milk at this point, though.
You’re right
It was harder than most
What is your source of “most serious baseball fans”? I have been a season ticket holder in Anaheim for 31 years and I attend major and minor league games 40 or more times per year when the Angels are on the road so I am one of the most serious fans anywhere.
I would be willing to bet that I have attended more games in Dodger Stadium than almost anyone on this board over the past 35 years and I am an Angels fan, not a Dodger fan. Last time I counted I had 245 ticket stubs from games at Dodger Stadium and that count was in 2024. That alone qualifies me as a serious fan.
I think that 2020 was an invalid season. Everything about it including the Championship. When more than half of the players had stats that were either 40% above or below their career averages, teams didn’t have to deal with the injuries that happen during the grind of a 162 game season, playoff games were played in neutral sites with practically no fans in attendance, there was nothing valid about that year.
In 2023 MLB Network did a great piece on the 2020 season and the overwhelming sentiment among fans they talked to at ballparks was that 2020 doesn’t count. Granted that was not a scientific poll, but when out of the 9 or 10 fans they showed on air, 7 or 8 said it was not legitimate, that indicates what those fans believe clearly.
The Dodgers get to keep their rings. It won’t be taken out of the record books, just like Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa’s stats won’t be stricken, but that doesn’t make either legit.
There was no cheating by the Astros in 2017 in the playoffs and the Dodgers lost at home where no cheating could have happened anyway. The Dodger fans crying about that is so sad and I have the world’s smallest violin here just for you.
Nobody was actually rooting for their teams. Only a handful of fans were in attendance at any playoff games and almost all of those were Dallas natives. That is one of the things that makes 2020 invalid.
As normal Baron, what are you talking about?
Nobody would want a 2020 World Series asterisk next to their team name. Nobody. Not a legitimate World Series no matter how many different ways you try to explain it. And no, if my team won it, I would not have considered it the equivalent of winning one. And it has nothing to do with me liking or disliking the Dodgers. It was a two month season for crying out loud with legitimate players opting out of it and no fans in the stands. How anybody can argue that winning it that season is the same as any other really has some soul searching to do.
2020 Season in a nutshell: The 60-game regular season was the shortest since 1878; To reduce travel, teams played only nine opponents, with divisional play emphasized and interleague games limited to cross-divisional matchups (AL East vs. NL East, etc.); The season was interrupted by COVID-19 outbreaks, notably with the Miami Marlins and the St. Louis Cardinals. The season continued after Commissioner Robert Manfred warned that it would be shut down if player behavior didn’t change; With no fans allowed in stadiums for most of the season, MLB pumped in artificial crowd noise from its MLB The Show video game to create a livelier atmosphere; Some players opted out of the season due to health concerns, and COVID-19 outbreaks forced the postponement of several games. This led to schedule irregularities and teams being without key players, raising further questions about competitive fairness; Not to mention the whacky rule changes…
This was not baseball. This was a desperate attempt to bring a little normalcy to our lives as we all suffered through this pandemic. Let’s not pretend you can compare the Dodgers winning what was an ultimately a round-robin tournament at the end of a season that was shortened by 100 games to the grind of a real regular season.
I have nothing against the Dodgers. They are the best team in baseball and are probably going to win their second legitimate WS this year since 1988. I would be making this claim no matter who “won the WS” in 2020.
Wonder what trophies the abbreviated shutdown season of 2027 will bring?
Something like 1994 all over again, I imagine?
Comparing Dodgers and the Padres is like comparing apples and oranges. Dodgers have 2x the spending money as the Padres, bigger Tv revenue as the Padres. The Dodgers payroll was 321 million compared to Padres 208 million in 2025. With an extra 100 million, Dodgers could get a lot more star power in their lineup without wasting prospects. Padres have to use their prospects to get better.
The annoying thing about Preller is he trades away the future for a slim chance of getting the WS. Like this year if King, Arraez, and Cease leave this year we traded all those prospects for basically two early exits from the playoffs.
But if Preller&Co. hadn’t traded the prospects, the Padres may not have made the playoffs at all the last two years. I know making the playoffs isn’t the end goal, but not getting into the playoffs assures the the Padres can’t win it all, once in, everyone has a chance.
The Pads have given up some excellent prospects in trades, but I would argue that for Cease, King and Arraez, they did not give up much. Verdict is still out of course. Sort of.
Two things can be right. 1 the dodgers do produce high end farm talent. 2 the mlb team doesn’t have many farm hands on it.
The difference between the padres and the dodgers is the dodgers can spend more so they don’t have to trade as many prospects away. For example does trade for a guy like glasnow then can afford to extend him. Padres trade for a guy like snell and have to let him walk.
Dodger 2025 payroll including tax 500m, padres 270m. It’s not that the padres are cheap they just don’t have the same revenue as the dodgers. It’s not like the fans don’t support the padres. The fans are the only reason they can even afford the payroll they currently have. It’s the tv money for starters that creates a massive revenue gap. Nothing the padres can do about that.
The Dodgers can miss on some big money free agents and still afford to replace them. The padres cannot.
Padres don’t have a unlimited checkbook to sign Ohtani for 700M, Give Mookie a ton of money, write checks for all the top FAs.
The Padres are in a much smaller media market and fan base in a David v Goliath situation in the NL West.
A very creative, outside the box POB is required to keep the Padres competitive and relevant to their rivals to the North of them.
I disagree with and have criticized Preller for some of his moves especially his 1st Soto trade from the Nats to the Padres which was HUGE OVERPAY for a defensively challenged OF who is a very good hitter, but cannot carry your team singlehandedly to a Championship.
Dodgers keep up their farm, but also trade lots of their farm for expensive veterans whom they sign to long term, lucrative deals.
When a Hedge Fund, with seemingly unlimited funds, owns your team then you can operate like the
Dodgers. It is a version of George Steinbrenner checkbook baseball decades ago.
Owners are grumbling about it.
It will lead to a work stoppage before the next contract. It is not in the best interests of baseball and the fans for a few high revenue teams to have a large, unfair advantage over 1/2 top 3/4 of the other MLB teams..
Good conversation and lots of details and agreement.
In simple summary, the teams that spend the most on payroll have the advantage. As is evidenced by actual WS winners over recent decades. The teams with the highest payrolls correlate with the teams with the largest media markets, the Padres being the lone exception.
So is the business of baseball…
Unfortunately for Preller he is likely on borrowed time and he probably knows it, which would explain whatever happened between him and Shildt. They passed the Dodgers in the division and blew it and then another early playoff exit. Whenever the ownership drama is resolved whoever comes out on top will likely want to make changes and that will probably not only include cutting Preller but i expect slashing payroll as well
Slash payroll and you slash the fan base.
3 to 4 million fans becomes roughly a million fans.
SD fans know the effort the Peter and Preller have put into the team.
This is not to discredit the current ownership group but just to say this team could be the Pirates or Rockies if this ends up a firesale.
Ah, the Clippers are playing now, towinagain, your constant whining is needed over there instead for the next dud of a season.
If the Yankees slashed payroll, I’d be curious as to Yankees fans response…
Sold out Yankees stadium?
Rabid fans watching a team, let’s say 17th in payroll?
Letting Bellinger walk, trading Rodon for prospects, not resigning Grisham and Williams.
With the assertion of “getting younger” and “restocking the farm” and being “sustainable” as an organization.
What would happen to Yankees baseball, to the Yankees fanbase?
Tell the Guardians and Rays that. They consistently win and no one shows up to watch their games. The Angels outdrew the Guardians by 8-10,000 per year the last 9-10 years and we were mired in last place while they were playing in the playoffs most seasons. They went to the WS in 2016 and in 2017 the Angels outdrew them by 12,000! People showed up to see Trout and Pujols on a team that couldn’t crack .500 while the Guardians put a 102 win team on the field and only 25,000 people showed up on average.
Big payrolls bring big name stars and big name stars put behinds in seats. That is why Arte Moreno would not trade Ohtani and why he signed Pujols and others even though he knew the team was not made better by their signing.
Spending doesn’t equal winning. Why should the fans care how much money is spent on payroll?
Spending has a direct correlation with winning. Does it work out every year for every team? No.
What it does do is give you a better chance at winning. It also helps with season ticket sales in the offseason.
Winning and having star players are the biggest driver to attendance. Fans love stars but also want wins.
I think it’s something like 9 of the last 10 World Series winners had a top 9 payroll. There are no guarantees in baseball but spending heavily increases your odds.
Yes it actually does correlate with winning WS. 16 of the last 17 WS winners were top 9 in MLB in payroll. Unless Seattle wins WS this year, it will soon be 17 of the last 18 WS winners.
Playoffs are crapshoot. Every intelligent fan knows this. More importantly every gm or important person in baseball knows this.
Of course the playoff teams have higher payrolls they’re adding a bunch of payroll at the deadline while the crap teams are shedding payroll at the deadline.
Once they get to the playoffs it’s equal because as every person with more than 70 iq knows it’s a crapshoot In the playoffs
Nope
yet you still don’t understand (it’s that IQ thing) that spending and winning are directly correlated?
Nope again
and the earth if flat I suppose
Nope x3
I wouldn’t call it a crapshoot. It is true in baseball especially in a short series anything can happen.
It’s also true that the team with superior talent wins more of those series than not.
It’s not a fluke that top 9 payroll teams win the World Series almost every year. That doesn’t mean they are the best team all year but does mean they have spent enough to acquire talent that is capable of winning it all.
Winning is hard enough. Teams shouldn’t have qualifications on what kind of team and how much they spend for fans to show up. All fans should care about is if the team is competitive.
You didn’t sign my favourite player to an outrageous deal that handcuffed the team for years I’m not going to the game. Don’t call yourself a fan.
“Much ado about nothing” – likely most accurate 4 words in the entire lengthy post.
The conversation revolving around maybe not getting an extension and suggesting that means that he won’t return in 2026 is hard for me to grasp.
He is under contract – unless the teams wants to pay him to work somewhere else or unless he wants to forgo a years salary and sit at home out of work, isn’t the safe assumption that he will he at the winter meetings in about 6 weeks?
When did a lack of extension for the following year(s) become the new, he is going to be fired?
Yep, I agree. Also, there is still plenty of offseason left to reach an extension. Lots of gossipy reports coming out that feel like mostly smoke and no fire.
I don’t even see smoke here. We’ve heard these rumors for years about Preller (and from Lin and Rosenthal). They happened even when Peter Seidler was around. Preller is 2nd longest reigning POBO/GM in MLB and his best two years were the last two years. If there’s a change it will likely be AJ declining a contract extention and deciding to leave for another team after 2026. Not likely though, he loves San Diego.
Okay, well Rosenthal has a history with San Diego. He was pretty petty with his characterizations of Machado and Tatis because they didn’t want to do a post-game interview in the postseason a couple of years ago. San Diego banned him from the clubhouse (I think it was for a game or the rest of the series) because of the story he wrote, so there is some friction there between the two parties. Rosenthal is a good writer/reporter, but has a tendency to stir the pot with opinion stories like these.
Preller has been in San Diego for over 10+ years which is a long tenure for a POB. Because of the nature of the Padres ownership and its changes, and because of the Padres stated goals of “winning now”” Preller is probably extended short term.. But at some point, Preller and the Padres have to hold onto some of their top prospects to replemish their major league team so that the Padres are not stuck with an expensive, aging roster with declining production and then the wheels come off the whole thing and Preller skips town for another job…
Or he did what he did at the deadline. Trade prospects for cheap controlled players that are in the majors.
Pretty close to the same as bringing up prospects.
Greupner is horrendous and should have been out a long time ago, he is self aggrandizing and shouldn’t be involved in team decisions in any way. AJP isnt perfect but all he wants to do is win and he has proven that, despite handcuffs but Eric and John. John Seidler and Greupner have in no way proven that they care about bringing home a championship and are just riding Peter’s amazing ownership and they haven’t done anything to push forward what he set out to do when he was alive.
I appreciate your passion, and especially for winning, but it sounds like you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions regarding JS and EG. I’m 99.99% sure they want to win as well…
Im a season ticket holder, go to events, hear EG on the radio – seen what they’ve been directing AJ to do. From everything i see, everything the Padres are and have been are because of AJ and PS (RIP). Id love to hear evidence that John has done anything to advance the team on his own merits. Genuine ask here, not trying to get start anything.
John adjudicates in silence. He obviously let AJ do whatever he wanted to this year both in signings and at the TDL. Just because somebody isn’t being boisterous or the “front man in public” doesn’t mean they’re actively rowing against the grain.
I’m thinking AJ might have preferred a bit more cash to spend for 2025. Went in with a couple of obvious holes.
That’s exactly it, huge holes and we had to scrap heap. He seemed to be just focused on saving money. I get it was really high with Peter, but essentially handcuffing AJ and the team out of the gate… not a good look. He also grew up a Dodgers fan, so its very tough trust him with the keys.
Huge holes? A back-up Catcher “issue” and maybe a 5 Starter? I bet every team wishes their only problem was these “huge holes”… have we forgotten the lean times? Championship is the goal, and the playoffs are how you get there. 4 appearances in the past 6 years speaks volumes. Never have we seen that prior to this current run. Keep running.
Left field ?
Dairy Bonds/Gavin Sheets was rostered on Opening Day, and Laureano was a huge addition. If it *arguably* started shaky, then AJ definitely did what he had to do to shore it up.
scrap heap left field, no true first baseman, start issues, catcher and no bench to back anything up with injuries as it showed. so yeah, huge holes when a championship is your goal. AJ did what he could, admirably. I have been a season ticket guy through those lean times, so i watched it first hand and remember it well. That is not a good comparison to just be happy now with playoffs. dont settle with that anymore. John needs to prove he cares, and he hasnt, dont defend his inaction and living over Peter’s good will.
That’s the point, Gwynning. He had to shore it up without cash.
They had fewer holes in 2025 than they did in 2024, and now have fewer holes to fill in 2026 than they did in 2025.
Brew- yes they had fewer holes in 2025 and less in 2026. They did increase spending in 2025 over 2024, which helped. Though a lot of the increased spending was their own players getting paid more. Preller really didn’t spend much in 2025 on new talent. A lot of 1m deals and Pivetta who was paid almost nothing last year. Even the trades at the deadline he got the other teams to pay their salaries down to the min.
He may have a little more money to spend this offseason but not enough to really fill the few holes they have with top talent.
With the most depleted farm system the padres have had during preller tenure going into this offseason. He will have to strike gold on some deals. If the padres are going to get better in 2026. A lot of which will be current players just being better.
I agree with that assessment. The Laureano trade to me is the difference between relative holes to fill in 2026 vs 2025.
I’m not counting on the position players to hit better in 2026, If they are to improve on 90 wins the rotation will be the key. Both King and Cease (when performing well) were tremendous bargains that can’t be replaced in value. But they also didn’t help much in 2025. To round out the rotation however with similar performance, it will take another Pivetta-like, or Lugo-like cost effective signing that is wildly successful. From a depth perspective I really wished we had kept one of Bergert, Baez or Nett as each has a chance to be impactful in 2026. Especially Bergert. Mendez isn’t ready. Sears and Hart and the rest in the minors are meh to me. Sears being the highest floor meh. Kash and Kruz are far away, but are ripening trade bait.
Added Laureano, Fermin, O’Hearn, Mason Miller at the TDL… when’s the “without cash” part come in, fopps?
Peter Seidler’s financial approach before his death was unsustainable. Understandable–but still unsustainable.
Show me examples of “sustainable” payrolls winning championships?
Sustainable being outside, say even the top 10 highest payrolls in baseball.
You spend = you win.
15 of past 16 WS winners were top 9 in MLB payroll. Hard to win a WS without spending big
None of us know the contents of the Siedler Trust that owns the team and the instructions as to how to run the team and pay down the debt. And none of us know the legal requirements from lenders that hold the debt on the team.
We have seen MLB get involved and press comments when they thought the Padres were accumulating too much debt and maybe not in compliance with MLB debt standards for owning an MLB franchise.
There are things going on in the Front Office, the Board Room, the Owners of the team loan and MLB Executive Offices that none of us could possibly know since the books are not open to the public and the legal requirements are not often disclosed to the public.
That said, Preller has done his job to keep butts in the seats and the pennant race and playoffs higher revenue streams flowing into the team.
We will only read and/or hear of problems if attendance drops along with revenue streams. Under the current business plan, that is not likely to happen anytime soon.
I’m not really sure what it is but EG bugs me somehow.
Kind of a his crap don’t stink feeling. He should stick to what he knows and that park fans experience. Him making manager decisions sounds like a bad idea.
Baking soda! I got baking soda!
Where there is smoke, there is fire
Only if you provide oxygen!
Rosenthal always seems to be blowing smoke, but it’s the kind blown up your wahoo. He seems to have a bone to pick with the Padres and he doesn’t let little things like telling the truth get in the way of telling his stories as long as people are clicking on his articles and talking about him. .
Yeah rosenthal does seem to have a negative agenda against the padres.
Not saying everything he says is incorrect but he loves to dig in to find whatever he can to promote internal issues.
Let’s go!
As a Dodger fan, I.hope the Padres are dumb enough to let Preller go. He has turned that team into a competitive force and without him around they would probably embark on a tear down and rebuild on the cheap. Preller will have plenty of teams interested in his services after the way he’s turned that team around and kept them competitive.
Agreed. Good luck the rest of the way, dd!
Taking the conservative route, hiring the veteran Shildt over would-be first-time manager Ryan Flaherty, was doing the (potentially) right thing for the wrong reason. The lesson is don’t take the safe route just because it appears to be safe. Do what is the smart baseball move (or other endeavor) rather than a sub-optimal move just for appearances sake.
The Padres won 90 games and went to the playoffs two seasons in a row with Shildt as their manager. Not sure what your definition of doing the smart baseball thing is, but hiring Shildt has definitely proven to be the smart thing.
Shildt has won in every season he has managed. He maybe hard in his coaches but also has his players backs. Not sure the padres had the best hitting philosophy this year but nobody can question if he had the players buy in.
In the end it just wasn’t enough.
“Even as the sunlight was hitting Shildt’s terrible management skills”
A value judgment is not merited based on the information we have on hand, I think the most we can say is his managerial style is not for everybody.
Brad – nailed it. Having employees unhappy with the boss doesn’t automatically make the boss wrong!
Agree, Longtime. With Tatis, Machado, Cronenworth, et al, we have no idea what went on behind the scenes. Preller appears to be an excellent GM type. Couple of mistakes in contract extensions and the like but enormously successful otherwise. I know every time we play the Padres, I am really nervous. Don’t get that way with any other team.
All the evidence says terrible. People looking for other jobs because of him. Dude was on $2m and openly admits to only having a good working relationship with most people at his last 2 jobs. Hey Mike. Most isn’t acceptable as a manager at that level. All is a minimun. Based on his own words, terrible sounds fair to me.
As for evidence, you mean 95 and 90 wins, and making playoffs?
You realize the goal is to win and make playoffs and not make all staffers happy, right?
He won and made playoffs in ST Louis – they ran him out for “philosophical differences”.
The job description does not read: “ must make everyone happy and does not hold others to high standards”.
Firstly, can I suggest doing a little homework on the Cardinals situation. Eerily similar says Mike.
It’s not about making people happy. It’s about not making people unhappy. Pretty simple. Can you not see that difference ?
It’s obviously not about results. Dude is obviously very good at managing a game. It’s about method. At his last 2 jobs, the method has been a problem for people. Red mist management is terrible.
So Shildt’s a good manager of games and strings of games collectively (thinking bullpen). And the players and GM liked him a lot, but has flaws in managing staff (demanding). And he burned himself out because of the multitudes of demands that he thought he could handle. Lesson for all: work hard, be good at what you do, but don’t over do it, and don’t expect the same unreasonable expectations from those you supervise..
I’d suggest the burn out might also come from conflicting with people. Exhausting way to go about things.
How about “conflict” but why is it Shildt “conflicting with people”?
Why or how do you know, that it isn’t “people conflicting with Shildt” i.e. I can’t get my staff to meet the standards required.
Numbers. People who worked for him at 2 differant organisations are saying he had a conflicting, angry management style with the people that don’t fill the player role. Did they all get together and synchronise that claim ?
@foppert. I can’t disagree with the source of the burnout as conflicts with press/staff. Conflicts he partially (or mostly) brought onto himself, and more importantly, didn’t have the personality to deal with conficts (which will happen inherently in a manager position).
conflicts aren’t so much the issue since they occur in every organization, especially where there’s competition to succeed. Inability to resolve the conflicts and manage through them perhaps were created the toxic environment and Shildt’s burnout.
Here’s the thing. The report I saw is that the Padre’s wanted to work him through the issues over the off season. Helping him. Nice work Padres. Makes sense. He is good at it.
My suspicion is tired Mike might have reacted to that idea with a bit of the classic “No thanks. I am who I am and I ain’t changing or apologising for anybody. I’ll quit before I’ll do that.”
Here we are.
Can’t disagree with that
The other interesting thing is Preller describing his reaction as surprised rather than shocked. Surprised Shildt doesn’t see it as a problem, but not shocked he took that option is how I read that.
Brew- there is a fine line between having expectations and holding people accountable. Most everyone has hit headed moments. Clearly Shildt is a hit head, you can see it in his press conferences.
If he talked to his staff when questioned like he did the media I can see a number of them disliking him.
The ability of a leader to be an elite communicator is a huge requirement. You can have high expectations, lots of pressure. Absorb that and communicate in a way that can still get the most out of the people you manage. That doesn’t mean everything is sunny.
The hard nosed approach will eventually rub people wrong over time. To be fair it can work but you are likely going to have turnover. Then it’s the ability to continue to find quality replacements to have success. Usually a never ending cycle for the turnover will continue.
@Simm spot on and you must have vast experience in management somewhere? I had to serve as interim dean of an academic program at a UC and play in that role. My mostly beloved longstanding faculty colleagues suddenly became whiney demanding agents of chaos and couldn’t be pleased. I didnt take to it well and promised never to do it again. It takes a special personality.
Simm and Brew – being in that position I can tell you that as a Type A competitive / aggressive business leader, the communication is the key but the problem is that most people in the position are more “eyes forward” or blunt or direct or to the point of the goal or fill in the blanks about their mindset and well, emotions, perceptions, receipt of information, are difficult to master.
I’d say having a good #2 that can filter and convey the leaders message is a huge asset.
I’ve got a secretary and manager that have nearly 25 years with me but there sure have been a few that didn’t last more than a year of so! I acknowledge the weakness comes from where my real strengths lie. It’s hard to be both.
Good stuff LT.
I’d just add that in such a position the person has to really like the roles they have to play. Seems to me Shildt is mostly interested in the nuts and bolts of baseball, and the amount of time taken up by managing staff and communicating with the press (especially). It seemed a necessary burden. He didn’t really have another person to delegate to when it came to the press. He clearly pissed off the press and became the target of his Acee’s usual hit piece at season’s end.
In the law the statement would be excluded as assuming facts not in evidence. Of course this is a rumors site, but pushing gossip and then assuming its truth is beyond what even MLBTR should be publishing.
Nick Deeds never shies away from taking a subjective unproven opinion, even when it’s slanderous.
But I’m surprised Darragh does it
lol. Should have checked first !
FMD. Your courts must be filled with slander cases.
Yes I should have checked. But the Deeds article that I read just before this had similarly consequential lies. Visa versa.working well here.
Is stating writers are lying also slander ?
I’m all confused now. It’s a complicated system.
broadcasting publicly that someone is terrible without supporting evidence is a bit yes.
As for the lie: “Padres are operating on a shoestring budget” is a falsehood, fib, lie, untrue, etc… Simply because the facts do not support.
What budget ? The money available for FA signings in that offseason budget, or the overall payroll budget ?
both in the case of 2026 are not shoestring, unless Deeds has inside communications with John Seidler we don’t know about
Ok. So it’s not quite slander yet ? We need to wait and see what happens ?
I don’t know if we’ll ever know the extent to which he is terrible or wonderful or something in between. it’s just wrong for a writer to call him terrible IMO
I think Dennis Lin and his puppet master Rosenthal have proven that the Athletic can’t be trusted when reporting on the Padres. The Athletic was once a respectable source, and Rosenthal turned it into a cheap gossip rag no better than the trashy celebrity ones you see at the checkstand.
Yeah, unfortunately. It’s their coverage of all sports now with so many filler articles.
Can they be trusted in their reporting on any team? Rosenthal was one of the founders of the Athletic and it has gone downhill since the New York Times bought it a few years ago.
How often do we hear about a front office extension up to 6 month or a year later? This kind of media speculation has been around Brian Cashman for three decades and he’s still there.
Ken Rosenthal Ha the guy stirs crap up . Lin is his puppet .
Like Crashman, it’s time to go. If your not winning championships and you’ve been there for a while, then I believe it’s best to get different leadership. Sometimes, you just need a fresh set of eyes.
Not speaking as a Padres fan but I hate the reporters from the Athletic. They remind be of White House press reporters who stir up stuff because their guy isn’t in office or kiss up when their guy is in office. They seem to always have an agenda.
Rosenthal and Lin loathe the Padres and everyone associated with them. I think even Dodger fans are like “whoa guys take it easy”.
This one is.
Win now and win often. AJ is the man of past, present, and future!
Can GMs get traded?
Preller for Chris Young. Who says no?
not enough data. please enter a larger sample size.
Could AJ turn the rocky Rockies around?
As soon as he traded the Ownership group for prospects! 😜
Sure he could with enough money, prospects, excellent farm system, etc…
“Even as the sunlight was hitting Shildt’s terrible management skills”
Uhh, nope. The primary prerequisite of a good manager with good management skills, is NOT making everyone happy. That’s never going to happen. EFFECTIVENESS, is the key. Success makes everyone happy, even those who won’t send their manager a Christmas card.
I second those who are calling bullsh*t on the NYT (i.e. “Athletic”?!, lol) article. Preller will get the manager he wants. However, he’s not a stone wall, and he’s no idiot. The owners get their 2 cents as well. I can’t believe how so-called journalists (a.k.a. muckrakers in another era) characterize individuals “behind the scenes”, with zero attribution. It’s just cowardly defamation. Lin used to be a decent sports reporter before he became NYT property.
It’s 2025. As a manager, you can’t be repeatedly losing your s$&t at people in the workplace. Especially not at that level. He isn’t a $100k a year middle manager at a shoe store.
But you can if you’re at the POTUS level, apparently
Dictator. Different.
autocrats at all levels should be shamed (or fired), including those in shoe stores
Is Leo De Vries that much hyped that people still give A.J. Preller crap for that trade? Or is the shameless Fisher getting shills?
(Aside from the usual bootlicking seamaholic 2 and investor JoeBrady)
“Even as the sunlight was hitting Shildt’s terrible management skills…”
Daaaaaang, don’t hold back or nothing Darragh!
Ha ha. Fearless.
I used to be negative toward Preller when he had a very bad outfield defense when they had good pitching in a more defensive park, but he’s done a good job building the brand and team all these years later (with the good decisions outweighing the bad). Too bad he couldn’t help his excellent manager feel more peace in his role.
Some of Prellers moves don’t work out but I love that he goes for it.
If they got rid of Preller the Padres could become very boring very fast. They don’t have the payroll available to sign big free agents. So they have to go the trade route and then inexpensive player and hope for the best.
Next thing you know they will be trading away everything that is getting paid to just reduce payroll.
Not having Preller is a big risk for EG and ownership. Very well could turn the padres into a boring loser. Fans 3.5m fans wont come out to watch that.
Yeah. I’d be wanting him to stay. Considering the way you are constructed, he appears the best man for the job. No contest really. Interesting situation for a new guy to step into.
If the padres hired a prospect higher right now they would be doomed. Aging players with escalating salaries.
Until the likes of manny and Xander are gone. The best they can do is find prospects and trade them for good controlled mlb talent. Just like they did with Miller and Fermin.
Gave up high end prospects plus some depth but got 4 reasonably cheap years from two good players.
You can o ly do that by drafting well, recruiting well, developing well and having the balls to then trade them.
Padres can’t sit around and wait 3-4 years in hopes that a prospect will come save the day.
That’s what I see. If you are relying on trade capital to fill out a roster, Preller is the man. Sort of locked in until some of the big contracts go away.
Good thread, fully agree. If you’re locked in win-now mode with *some* budget constraints, I’m not really sure you could do better than Preller (maybe Dombrowski).
Yeah dombrowski has had a very similar win now approach. Though he has been more successful at finishing the job. His style also has lead to some bad years when he has ran out of bullets to fire.
Will see if that’s the case for preller as well. Once all these big deals age and players like manny and Xander decline further that could setup some rough years for the padres. Preller will have to replace their production with others. He won’t have the cash to just buy replacements.
A lot of people blame Preller for these huge contracts that were handed out. Particularly to manny (extension) and Xander. The facts are anyone who knew the inner workings at the time knew Peter Seidler was the one driving those deals. He loved manny and was never letting him opt out. He felt like after the Soto trade they needed one more bat. Tried to get Turner and then judge. Came up short on them so he backed up the brinks truck for the 3rd best bat that offseason and paid Xander. How the padres went to the nlcs with no tatis 2022, added Tatis back and signed Xander in 2023. Then missed the playoffs is insane but they did.
One thing I think to keep an eye on over the next couple of years is will he (preller or the padres) trade Tatis (yes he has a no trade clause). I could see them using Tatis like they did Soto. Trade him get multiple pieces back that fill holes for a few years. Also giving them a little payroll flexibility. I wouldn’t rule this out as he is the only big money contract I think they could move and get enough back from to still be competitive. If they do that they better win because lots of fans will be upset.
I don’t see them trading Tatis. He has some issues, but having a 50% outcome 6 WAR player in his prime at $25M AAV is a huge bargain for a cost-conscious team. They’ll continue to roll with him and I pray preach a better mentality on offense.
PS was said to be fairly hands off with AJ but the Bogaerts signing, the offer to Judge, and the Manny extension are thought to be on PS urgings.
Yeah, doubt he’ll be the MVP I hoped for, but the Tatis contract still looks like a bargain
Brew- yes the Tatis deal does look like a bargain. That was kind of my point. He is the one guy they could move, save some money and get back some real talent to fill more than one hole. His contract will be a good deal most likely to its end. His money while at a nice 24m tax hit will start costing in the mid 30’s soon enough. Still a deal in my eyes even at that but if money becomes an issue he is the only guy they can really move to fix that and get talent back.
Cronenworth doesn’t have a lot of trade value, manny could be traded but his contract is a barrier. Same with Xander.
Btw I don’t foresee this happening this offseason but it’s something to keep an eye out for in the next few years. Especially with an unknown ownership group and a possible new GM in the future. Manny 39m, Tatis 36m and Xander 25m is 100m a year coming soon. If the padres keep payroll in the 200m range (little above or below) that doesn’t leave much to fill in the other 23 position spots.
Preller is an old school European surname which means “he who makes shampoo.”
Ich weiß, was du meinst…
Paying the huge contracts, is starting to take its toll on the Padres roster, Darvish who just turned 39 is still owed for 3 more years, Boegarts having more injury issues on that massive contract, and Machado is not getting any younger still with 6 years to go on it. It was nice when the Pads had that big TV contract with Diamond, signing big names with a future money flow ala was nice, but now with a smaller TV market comes a lot more financial move. LA is always going to be LA super large market in LA now Japan you just cannot compete with that. A billion-dollar payroll and it is only going to get bigger but LA has no worries with that, they will keep signing the star players and the rest of MLB will sit by the side of the road with their hands outs when it comes to payroll. With no sign of a salary cap coming anytime soon to MLB it is going to be the same every year MLB tilted to the big markets on salaries.
Desert – let’s break this down.
Yu – 16, 15, 15 – an average #5 gets that so not horrible. Also, he likley retires before all is paid out.
Manny – 4.1 WAR which was a 25% increase from 2024 – not really slowing down yet.
X – 2.0 WAR nearly double 2024 so, not really at the end of the road but yes, like virtually all aging long term contracts everyone expects X to be dead weight in a few years but not yet.
So, a little premature but cut and paste and maybe in 2 years of Yu hasn’t retired4 if Manny just got old and if X can’t at least put up 2.0 WAR as a 1b or 2b.
Xander prior to his injury was playing very well. He started off really slow but from like June on was the Xander they paid for. Hopefully he can have a few more productive healthy seasons.
Not really worried about manny yet. His swing likely plays for years to come. Plus he stays healthy for the most part. Now some don’t like that he isn’t Johnny hustle but he does think that helps him stay healthy. Which is hard to argue with.
I like you do not see Darvish finishing out that contract. Even when he signed it he kept saying that I’m glad to be here for a couple more years. Which reading between the lines sounded like he wouldn’t be here until the end of the deal. Now nobody really knows but him.
I recall Preller’s preferred choice being Shildt over Melvin after Tingler.. I do recall Shildt going on the record as saying he wasn’t ready to manage right away after being fired by the Cardinals. Not saying both couldn’t be true, but it would seem weird to me to switch preferences so suddenly. It would also be strange to see Preller on the outside looking in for the third managerial hiring in 5 years. Green and Tingler were both bad hires, but seems counterintuitive to continually override the PBO.
Overall, I think Preller’s done a good job. There’ve been some absolute stinkers (Myers trade, Grandal trade, Nola trade, Hosmer signing), but more good than bad. I worry about two things if you fire him now:
a) How much of the elite scouting department sticks around (I’m thinking guys like White/Kemp, although White’s admittedly getting up there)?
b) Who are you gonna attract to take over a barren farm and an aging, expensive veteran roster with some key long-term holes?
If the team could guarantee that all or most of the scouting braintrust stay in place, then sure, I don’t mind trying someone new. Preller has had 11 years, which is an eternity in baseball operations. What I worry about is a change in management that’s primarily cost-driven. Preller has his faults, but I’m confident in his ability to build a roster that reaches the postseason despite personnel changes.
Yeah I read the same reports that Preller did prefer Shildt over Melvin. It does seem weird that it’s reported he preferred flaherty over Shildt. Perhaps that’s true but seems weird. Of course reports have always been that Preller likes to have a lot of say about the team. Which is easier to do with a first time manager. Aka he is a control freak.
Seems like he has been less of a control freak in recent years but who knows. Shildt had nothing but great things to say about him.
Why do I get the impression that every time Rosenthal writes an article he is lying?
Might have something to do with your narcissism. You hate the fact he doesn’t write what an important person like you wants to read. That’s my theory.
That’s probably true. I don’t see Rosenthal as a liar but he has wrote some hit pieces on the padres. He does spin some of his articles he writes about the padres in an unflattering tone.
Perhaps some of the articles being fluffed up to get more clicks.
Greupner is a Cancer, he thinks he know the baseball side of things but has no clue. He’s an attorney who thinks he is a baseball guru.
Rosenthal is a professional sports journalist.
It is his job to report the facts both positive and negative warts and all.
He is not a professional cheerleader for specific teams or organizations.
If you don’t like his factual based columns and articles , the do not read it.
Support the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech.
“Even as the sunlight was hitting Shildt’s terrible management skills”
How does anonymous disapproval equate to terrible management skills?
Because it was multiple anonymous disapprovals, and they all described a behaviour that sits in the terrible management category.
Why see in black or white? His managing of games, bullpens, and players was described as excellent, and by multiple non-anonymous approvals, including players, the GM, and independent sources (he was a finalist for manager of the year in NL last season).. It seems probable that he communicated poorly with the press and some of his coaches, but does Darragh’s description of Shildt’s management as blanketly terrible exclude those core duties of his manager position that he excelled at??