White Sox Discuss Vernon Wells

Vernon Wells, the possible $20 Million Man, could be a target for the White Sox.

This kind of acquisition is just the kind of splash we've come to expect from Kenny Williams.  The Jays are said to want a starter and a center field prospect in return.  It doesn't seem that the White Sox would have the best package to offer, but you never know. 

As far as I can tell, Kenny Williams has never made a trade with J.P. Ricciardi.  His most frequent trading partner has been Jim Bowden.

Comments

[greenbaydude1232]

Garland and Anderson? I would surely think it would take more than that to get Wells. But you never know, there have been worse trades in the history of baseball.

[greenbaydude1232]

After I posted that, it occured to me that the deal could include B. McCarthy, Anderson and possibly even S. Podsednik.

[bsox21]

The White Sox also have Ryan Sweeney to dangle....

Riccardi should def deal Wells.

He can get some serious firepower for the long term.

Mccarthy or ervin santana or another guy like that would be great behind Halladay and Burnett. (altho i hate burnett.)

[greenbaydude1232]

I would still think it would take more than sweeney and mccarthy to get wells...atleast i hope for the blue jays sake they ask for more than that.

[eeleye99]

Mccarthy seems untouchable. But Garland and Anderson is not nearly enough, considering the White Sox get that muc stronger.

[bsox21]

agreed, just naming some of their chips....

mccarthy is a great bargaining chip tho.

lead the minors in Ks a few eyars ago and has shown evidence of durability.

Keep in mind its only for one year of V Wells.

[greenbaydude1232]

Could Garland and Sweeney be a possibility?

[greenbaydude1232]

If you trade for him its always possible that pre-trade you get him to agree to a long term deal...possibly even one in which the jays cover some salary?

[eeleye99]

yeah we could let them prenegotiate with wells.

however, the whitesox would be looking at a lineup of wells, dye, thome, konerko, crede, holy fuck!

and there pitching stuff wouldn't be any much worse, they'd still have 5 solid guys.

[greenbaydude1232]

1. pods
2. Iguchi
3. Wells
4. Thome
5. Dye
6. Konerko
7. Crede
8. Uribe
9. Anderson

Holy Shit...That team has 5 guys that could bat 3rd on a lot of teams

[bsox21]

The Sox are going to be tough with or without Wells.

Thats the value of a smart GM locking up a monster rotation.

With that said, ME PERSONALLY, would prefer to keep McCarthy as my 6th starter than acquire Wells.

[tdogg]

Still unless a deal is inked Toronto can only ask for so much for Wells with 1 year left. The overall price tag will go down if they wait till the trade deadline next year.

[palehose35]

I'd rather the Sox got top notch pitching prospects, a new leadoff hitter, and rounded out the bullpen. I'm a White Sox fan living in Toronto, so I have a good taste of both the Sox and Vernon. And even though Vernon is an amazing player, I think he has his mind set on Texas in 2008. I'd just hate to give up a ton of talent for a one year rental that doesn't really fill our most pressing needs.

[greenbaydude1232]

If Kenny can get it done w/o trading McCarthy he is a baseball god.

[palehose35]

"With that said, ME PERSONALLY, would prefer to keep McCarthy as my 6th starter than acquire Wells."

Me too. There's no match for young pitching talent, especially with a solid CF free agent market coming up a year from now (Wells included).

I'm still backing a Ryan Freel aquisition for the White Sox, but who knows. Maybe something like Buehrle and Ryan Sweeney for Freel and Bailey? Just throwing it out there.

[SpecialFNK]

apparenty Jays GM Riccardi has said in recent past that he will not allow a window for other teams to negotiate a long term deal with Wells, which i dont understand because if you allow a team to negotiate and sign Wells long term you then can get alot more value in return.
if Wells is traded without resigning long term i would be surprised if the Jays got much value in return.. why would a team give up alot of value when you know Wells is going to test free agency after next season?? he will only be with that team that trades for him for only one season and then hes gone!
i read in the Globe and Mail(newspaper in Toronto) that Wells and his 2 new agents are going to want attleast $20 million a season so you know he is going to test free agency.

id love for the Jays to get one of the SP out of Chicago along with Brian Anderson.. which is what im seeing posted as to what the Jays would want.

[greenbaydude1232]

Note To All Blue Jays Fans -

You DO NOT WANT BRIAN ANDERSON!

He is a load of shit and will never amount to ANYTHING in the MLB. His career year is going to be what vernon wells gets done in a month. You DO NOT WANT THIS GUY!

[bsox21]

I can understand K Williams going a lot of diff directions wit this.

I would try to get a Pelfrey/Humber and Milledge from Omar if I'm K Williams.

If I'm Omar, I say no...just saying...

[SpecialFNK]

Anderson looks to have some nice minor league numbers.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Brian-Anderson-3.shtml
maybe he just needs more time to develope? hes only 24

[palehose35]

I think you're being a little hard on Anderson. I think he can still be a .270/20/75 guy with solid CF defense.

But I think he's expendible with Ryan Sweeney around, who in my opinion is a better player. The only setback is his age...he's a little young to put too much faith in. 21 I think.

[tdogg]

Not saying or thinking Anderson will ever be a stud. But you could do a lot worse than a CF will an above avg to someday outstanding cf glove.

Its way too early to predict his offensive potential. Green bay you are way off.

[eeleye99]

Thanks for the info on Branderson. Lol.

[greenbaydude1232]

"Williams wants young pitching so he can send a pitcher to the Blue Jays, along with Milledge, for Wells (as was stated earlier on this site, the Jays want a CF and SP)"

Seems like a solid idea (it was brought up in another thread) if Williams can get both milledge and a young pitcher for one of his pitchers its great for cws and great for tor...not so great for nym...but u never kno.

[greenbaydude1232]

tdogg...i assume ur a white sox fan?

[palehose35]

baseball cube is so sketchy sometimes. Brian Anderson DID NOT play in the St. Louis organization at the Rookie ball level in 2005.

[palehose35]

as a catcher, no less.

[palehose35]

"tdogg...i assume ur a white sox fan?"

I'm a White Sox fan, and I'm still realistic about their young guys' potential. But I would agree you're jumping to conclusions on BA a little quick. He looked foolish sometimes, but he had flashes of brilliance too. I think he'll be OK. No All-Star, but a solid above average CF.

[tdogg]

Yes I am Green Bay. But that has little to do with your analysis of Anderson after 1 year. In which Guillen's substitution patterns with him made little sense.

[SpecialFNK]

wow thats odd they have him down as a catcher in the St.Louis orginization. i never even noticed that.
how long is Podsednik signed for? i used to like him, and i guess so did Chicago thats why they traded for him.
the Jays dont necessarily need someone for CF, both Reed Johnson and Alex Rios can play CF.

[nrmax88]

palehose and tdogg, you both posted a combination of what i was going to post, b anderson isnt going to be some superstar, but hes just a kid, can track down balls in center, and can run well, his bat will come along, or maybe not, but its to early to judge the kid. I dont know how kenny williams is going to get a young stud starter and milledge, i dont know if u meant get them both from the mets, but frankly, the whitesox dont have a guy on the team i would give up milledge and pelfrey/ humber for.

[eeleye99]

yeah baseballcube and some minor league stat sites are flat out wrong sometimes...I believe on major league data I've seen for their players...

[greenbaydude1232]

specialfnk - reports out of Toronto say that they want a CF in return...but I agree they don't really need one

[tdogg]

Yeah I really like Rios. Isnt he further down the line service time though? Many forget Anderson will be dirt cheap for some time. The Mets have other factors in play. Still have the Yanks around and you have a hugh payroll. It will be tough for Omar to sit on prospects when the NL is still so winable and a WS berth for the taking.

[palehose35]

I like Rios too. His defense deserves more recognition, but gets overshadowed by Wells.

[SpecialFNK]

as a Jays fan i like the rumour of.. one of Garcia/Garland and Anderson for Wells, alot better than another proposed trade i read somewhere.
this site..
http://www.freewebs.com/wintermeetings06/index.htm
had an apparent deal of Wells and player to be named to Phily for Jon Lieber, Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, and Mike Costanzo.
reports are that site is BS! and that trade is not real.. which im glad to see, but thought i would share it anyway.

[bsox21]

"It will be tough for Omar to sit on prospects when the NL is still so winable and a WS berth for the taking."

This is a very good point and one I haven't really considered in my view on what the Mets should do.

I've been strongly opposing dealing Pelfrey or Humber, but the NL East is ripe right now and the Mets have the core to notch a few division titles on the cheap.

[greenbaydude1232]

Thanks SpecialFNK - got a good laugh out of that website. It was much needed after a very stressful day. haha

[palehose35]

if i was a jays fan, i wouldn't want Garcia. I think there's a good chance 2007 will be one of his better years (added splitty, got over tired/stiff shoulder), but he's pitched like garbage in skydome it seems like every time i see him.

[SpecialFNK]

this old site about free agents..
http://kmbumb.people.wm.edu/roster/08agency.html
says that Garcia himself will be a free agent after the 07 season, is that correct? or did he recently sign long term?

[nrmax88]

bsox, would u want to trade succes now for the future though, with the mets already in position to win now? I would want to deal Pelfrey or humber unless it was part of a deal for willis or something. I dont know a ton about humber, but i think pelfrey is the real deal. He is a big guy and i think can be a horse for a lot of years

[tdogg]

no this is his last year.

[nrmax88]

wouldnt want to deal them****

[bsox21]

Humber throws low 90's a change and a curve.

The curve is a beastly pitch.

He had TJ surgery but came back quickly and did well.

Went down in the AFL with a shoulder strain, that Omar called a precautionary move but scouts abound said it seemed more serious.

I don't want to lose either. Just saying I could understand him doing somethign with those guys involved, especially with Perez and Maine stepping up.

I'd prefer to see Pelfrey and Humber in Shea.

[nickjs21]

Don't be so hard on Anderson, he hit .290 this year.

Oh. Sorry. That was his OBP.

Kidding aside, not everyone's Pujols. Some people take time to adjust to the majors.

[bsox21]

We also have niese and uber teenager Deolis Guerra taht give us even more depth.

we have a lot of arms.

Humber and Pelfrey bring u the most value on the trade market.

[allabouthephils]

anyone want to hear a sick rumor I heard today....

Phils trade: Jon Lieber, Mike Contanzo, Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd

Blue Jays: Vernon Wells, player to be named...

Phils and Wells agree to 7 year 114MM deal...

totally false but funny..

[allabouthephils]

Special FNK,

I saw this same rumor but on a different site....

People must be getting their bs from each other now.....The baseball winter meetings are a weird time for the rumors to be flying around...

"as a Jays fan i like the rumour of.. one of Garcia/Garland and Anderson for Wells, alot better than another proposed trade i read somewhere.
this site..
http://www.freewebs.com/wintermeetings06/index.htm
had an apparent deal of Wells and player to be named to Phily for Jon Lieber, Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, and Mike Costanzo.
reports are that site is BS! and that trade is not real.. which im glad to see, but thought i would share it anyway."