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Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo
UPDATE: John Fay says the Braves are also offering Yunel Escobar. This could get done. And finally allow Kelly Johnson to play every day again.
The Braves are making a push to get one of the better starting pitchers available. They're willing to give up pitching prospect Jo-Jo Reyes to get Bronson Arroyo. My guess is that Reyes alone would not be enough; the Braves might have to dip into the farm system and pull out another prospect.
If you're a Braves fan, you're really have to admire John Schuerholz's willingness to go for broke. Maybe he's found a market inefficiency in teams overvaluing prospects.
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Reyes was untouchable 2 days ago...
Rangers should have held out till today.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:54 PM
I'd like to see Escobar added to that package so we can stop hearing how good he is.
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | July 31, 2007 at 12:55 PM
"I'd like to see Escobar added to that package so we can stop hearing how good he is."
hahaha nice.
Posted by: Mr_Punch | July 31, 2007 at 12:56 PM
GBS - agreed 100%
Posted by: JerseyMetFan | July 31, 2007 at 12:56 PM
What the hell are the Braves smoking?
I guarantee Jose Contreras could be just as "successful" as Arroyo in the NL. The Sox will take Reyes.
Posted by: tsizzle | July 31, 2007 at 12:56 PM
According to Rosenthal:
The Red Sox are on the verge of winning the Eric Gagne sweepstakes, pending his approval and a review of his medical records, according to major-league sources.
Gagne must waive his no-trade clause to Boston for the deal to be completed. It is possible the Red Sox will allow him to share the closer's role with Jonathan Papelbon.
Posted by: Validlyte | July 31, 2007 at 12:58 PM
"I'd like to see Escobar added to that package so we can stop hearing how good he is."
Nice not hearing about that other "highly" touted Atlanta prospect who became part of the "bounty" for Tex.
Posted by: Iron Nat | July 31, 2007 at 01:00 PM
I'm really not sure about Arroyo
Posted by: AXL2214 | July 31, 2007 at 01:03 PM
You know, you guys are the ones bringing them up. If you want them to be mentioned less...um, mention them less.
Posted by: Something Profound | July 31, 2007 at 01:03 PM
"I'd like to see Escobar added to that package so we can stop hearing how good he is."
I would have to respectfully disagree...because Escobar is really really really good.
Posted by: WesleyC | July 31, 2007 at 01:04 PM
Any chance that Tex plays tonight?
Posted by: AXL2214 | July 31, 2007 at 01:05 PM
salty salty salty
yunel yunel yunel
js js js js js js js
there
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | July 31, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Why all the hating on Braves prospects? What we can't hear about how good Escobar or Salty is? Nobody minds all the gushing about Milledge and Humber from the Mets or Hughes and Chamberlin from the Yankees or Ellsbury and Bucholz from the Red Sox. I guess the Braves aren't in the "clique". If anyone has actually watched Escobar, they would realize just how good he is and will be.
Now, onto other important matters. I don't necessarily like the idea of giving up Reyes but can live with it when considering Arroyo is young and would be under the Braves control through the 2010 season. Hopefully Scott Thorman and maybe Tyler Yates or Chad Paronto would be enough to get the deal done.
Posted by: Robert (Justice Is The Best) | July 31, 2007 at 01:07 PM
any word on dotel?
Posted by: davedejesus9 | July 31, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Again, any chance that Tex will play tonight?
Posted by: AXL2214 | July 31, 2007 at 01:11 PM
if harrison passes the physical i believe he will play
Posted by: davedejesus9 | July 31, 2007 at 01:12 PM
"Why all the hating on Braves prospects? What we can't hear about how good Escobar or Salty is? Nobody minds all the gushing about Milledge and Humber from the Mets or Hughes and Chamberlin from the Yankees or Ellsbury and Bucholz from the Red Sox. I guess the Braves aren't in the "clique". If anyone has actually watched Escobar, they would realize just how good he is and will be.
Now, onto other important matters. I don't necessarily like the idea of giving up Reyes but can live with it when considering Arroyo is young and would be under the Braves control through the 2010 season. Hopefully Scott Thorman and maybe Tyler Yates or Chad Paronto would be enough to get the deal done."
You must be new here. Let me explain. Every single post that could possibly have even the slightest bit about the braves turns into a braves discussion. Specifically we hear endless drivel about how amazing Salty and Escobar and how the braves can get ANYONE with them..
Just glad its over
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | July 31, 2007 at 01:13 PM
Escobar may not hit 40 homers, but he's a good, solid baseball player. He's a whiz defensively, will hit around .300 and is a very good baserunner. Just ask the D'back's reliever the other night how good of a baserunner he is.
Posted by: Hurricanestephen | July 31, 2007 at 01:14 PM
that is what i have heard
Posted by: davedejesus9 | July 31, 2007 at 01:14 PM
After a horrible May/June, Arroyo seems to be back on track in July. He had a solid April to start the year off, too. He was great last season and I think he'd be fine pitching out of Cincy and in the #3 slot of the Braves rotation. He's a workhorse with plenty of valuable experience. He would shift James and Carlyle down a peg to more reasonable spots. I also like his contract, which breaks down as follows:
$3.8M in 2007, $6.45M in 2008, $9.5M in 2009, $11M in 2010 and a Team Option for 2011 worth $11M (maybe $13M) with a $2M buyout. That's about $40-$42M from today until the end of his contract five years down the line. His contract makes him tradeable if necessary, but affordable for a team with a spending limit like Atlanta.
Posted by: ejruiz777 | July 31, 2007 at 01:14 PM
Is it definite that Harrison is the PTBNL?
Posted by: AXL2214 | July 31, 2007 at 01:14 PM
I think Reyes is alright to trade from Arroyo. Not only do you get a good player with Arroyo but you get a personality to market.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 01:19 PM
If you're the Reds, why would you make this trade? You just banged up Reyes bad when you saw him two weeks ago. And even though Arroyo's contract is blooming, he's still relatively cheap at the moment, no reason to move him yet, especially for a prospect as unimpressive as Reyes.
Posted by: Kaz! | July 31, 2007 at 01:19 PM
"You know, you guys are the ones bringing them up. If you want them to be mentioned less...um, mention them less."
Posted by: Something Profound
... HAHAHA, exactly!
So many of those threads were started down the Braves road because of a smartass giving their “oh no, let the Salty/Escobar for –whatever player mentioned in the thread- begin…” then they would get pissed if someone would question it and start talking about them…
Classic…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | July 31, 2007 at 01:22 PM
i hope the braves don't make the playoffs after all these deals
Posted by: davedejesus9 | July 31, 2007 at 01:25 PM
davdejesus9...well, they've only made one so far. but, why would you wish a team not make the playoffs because they make trades to improve their team? seems kinda childish.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 01:27 PM
Chippy...because they are going for broke...and if you are mets or phillies fans...you hope they go broke.
For the record...I am throwing up in my mouth with each escobar comment...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 01:29 PM
BBTN: Arroyo been told 3 times this week he isn't being traded anywhere.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2007 at 01:40 PM
the braves won't go broke. they trade the players they know they can trade. betemit and marte to name a few in the past. the braves minor league system is the best in the majors and JS is the best at managing his system. he only traded players that likely wouldn't see the light of day in ATL because there are better players already there. so, don't bet on the braves going broke anytime soon. but, you can bet on them starting to spend more money. however, they won't just buy teams like the yanks or mets.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 01:40 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock in that. The Reds have been less than honest with players in the past (the Boone brothers, for example, were both told they were building blocks of the future not long before being traded).
At any rate, I still fail to see why the Reds would even consider this move.
Posted by: Kaz! | July 31, 2007 at 01:49 PM
I covered the market inefficiency yesterday.
http://burningbrave.blogspot.com/2007/07/couple-of-things.html
In any case, a mid tier prospect for a establish player is a good move. Some may say otherwise in the long run, but the value of a dollar today is higher than tomorrow.
Posted by: Torchy | July 31, 2007 at 01:50 PM
Yes, please let KJ start everyday again. Fantasy ramifications here.
If the Braves get Arroyo. I have the Mets missing the playoffs.
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 01:58 PM
looks like my dream came true
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | July 31, 2007 at 01:59 PM
No way. I simply can't see JS giving up Reyes AND Escobar, who is considered the heir-apparent behind Renteria. That really would be going for broke, going way too far in my opinion.
Posted by: WesleyC | July 31, 2007 at 02:00 PM
i dont want to trade escobar, got to be someone else we could offer
Posted by: rgdeuce | July 31, 2007 at 02:00 PM
Not a fan of this...Yunel is too good to package WITH Reyes for only a 2nd tier starter.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 02:00 PM
PULL THE TRIGGER KRIVSKY!!!
Posted by: tfields01 | July 31, 2007 at 02:02 PM
"Just ask the D'back's reliever the other night how good of a baserunner he is."
That was all Glen Hubbard. Some of you Brave fans are clueless.
Posted by: nom3k | July 31, 2007 at 02:02 PM
Escobar isn't that great guys.....
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 02:02 PM
I hope the Reds keep Arroyo he is a nice innings eater and he provides stability to the Reds rotation. I don't know much about all these Braves prospects Can someone post numbers for Reyes and Escobar for this season.
Posted by: JayTheRed | July 31, 2007 at 02:03 PM
Teetz....oh oooooK.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 02:03 PM
escobar .317 1hr 12rbis 22 runs 3 steals in 43 games
Posted by: rgdeuce | July 31, 2007 at 02:07 PM
What's so great about a weak hitting middle infielder?
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 02:07 PM
Escobar in the majors: 44/139...only 16 strike outs... .360 obp.... .403 slg... 1 hr... 12 rbi
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 02:07 PM
You haters can shampoo Chipper Jones's crotch.
Posted by: Land-Man | July 31, 2007 at 02:08 PM
Escobar is a good glove with a developing bat and "baseball instincts" (whatever those are). He'll be good enough to be a ML regular, but I'm not sure if I see a lot of All-Star appearances in his future.
OTOH, the Reds aren't too bad off up the middle. I don't think Escobar would be a huge upgrade for them, and it's not like you really want a slap hitter in a HR ballpark like that anyways. But w/e. I like the trade from Atlanta's perspective, assuming they've got the cash to pay for it. Hell, it locks the rotation up for next year as well.
Posted by: mraver | July 31, 2007 at 02:10 PM
Mike Fontenot. 43 Games .319 average 3 HR 20 RBI. 5 SB. 359 OBP. 479 Slug.
I guess the Cubs should be asking for top notch players for Fontenot since he's better than Escobar.
Sample size is too small guys, Escobar is a talent, but he's not a power hitter and he's not particularly that fast.
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 02:10 PM
Also, I love comparing the 27-yo carrer minor leaguer to the 23-yo prospect in his 3rd full season of pro ball.
Posted by: mraver | July 31, 2007 at 02:12 PM
Escobar is not a slap hitter, he will be a .300 25-30 100 guy.
Posted by: Uno | July 31, 2007 at 02:13 PM
Uno, no he is not, he is a freddy sanchez type guy at best, give me a break, but hey, I have been one of the most reluctant to trade away the future, but sense we are already doing it, Heck why not. However, I wish we would call sabean and see if we could not get lowry instead of arroyo. F years younger, higher celing, cheaper over the next few years, I think that would be the better deal.
Posted by: bravesbeast | July 31, 2007 at 02:16 PM
on Escobar…
Great or not, who gives a crap; the fact is the Braves need him to make Renteria expendable or take over for Chipper at 3rd… He is a cost-efficient player who is expected to produce something in the lines of E-Rent ~ nothing amazing, but really solid…
Hence the reason Braves fans don’t want to trade him unless its for amazing return!
So freaking get over yourselves with this “Escobar isn’t that good, they should trade him for –random guy-“ or bringing him up while saying “I don’t want to hear about Escobar” rubbish…
Reyes & Escobar for Arroyo, I don’t think so… that’s 2 players off the ML roster for a slight upgrade for one of them… Pointless!
Posted by: darkstar1661 | July 31, 2007 at 02:18 PM
I cant see the Braves trade Escobar. Especailly after the rumors that JS was trying to move Renteria to the White Sox. I see the positives in bringing in Arroyo with a long term contract for cheap money for a couple years, but I dont think that he is worth both Reyes and Escobar.
Posted by: Rctab15 | July 31, 2007 at 02:18 PM
i'd like for us to get arroyo, but escobar is a guy we need to hold on to. this deal screams of the kind of recklessness that schuerholz usually stays aways from.
i'm all for winning now and trying to get another starter (which has been the braves biggest weakness all along), but the other non-braves people who have posted are right in stating we will be mortgaging our future if we were to do this deal.
not to mention the possibility that we could still miss the playoffs this year even with arroyo (which is likely considering the inconsistency the braves have demonstrated). what a disaster that would be.
Posted by: dudetheplayer | July 31, 2007 at 02:22 PM
And pointless for the Reds as well. A light-hitting middle infielder and a suspect mid-level prospect.
Posted by: Kaz! | July 31, 2007 at 02:23 PM
"Escobar is not a slap hitter, he will be a .300 25-30 100 guy."
These kind of statements...
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | July 31, 2007 at 02:23 PM
Haha, yes it did GoBoSox420. And Uno, boy is that a stretch. A far far stretch. I'd say Escobar would be a .280-.300, 10-15, 60-70 guy, which, all in all isn't that terrible. He might actually be like Edgar if he can develop a bit more power. I suppose JS has faith in Lillibridge being the suitable replacement for Renteria when he leaves. Still, if we've gone as far as we have...why not?
Posted by: Something Profound | July 31, 2007 at 02:23 PM
what i love about this are all those people that hate talk of escobar sitting at their computers getting pissed....hahah love it!
guys, he's an awesome prospect and the vast majority of MLB scouts agree. i'll take their opinions anyday over a couple of mets/yankes/etc. homers any day.
Posted by: ChippySwans | July 31, 2007 at 02:25 PM
Guess Lillibridge is the SS of the future, huh?
E-Rent is a solid bargain for the remainder of his contract and you can't argue with his offensive performance at all. Plus, from all I've read and heard he's a clubhouse fave.
If the Arroyo deal happens, talk about turning over your roster in one day ...
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | July 31, 2007 at 02:26 PM
against the dbacks couple days ago braves were losing 7-6 2outs top 9 escobar pinch hits for the pitcher. he worked the count and when the pitcher bent over and escobar had enough insticts to steal second with the pitcher and ss and 2b had there back turned scored the tying run on a single.
Posted by: braves077 | July 31, 2007 at 02:27 PM
DO NOT TRADE ESCOBAR!!!!
Posted by: Quick | July 31, 2007 at 02:55 PM