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According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Yankees and Dodgers have completed the rumored Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit trade.
I give a slight edge to Brian Cashman on this trade, given the volatility of relievers. Betemit I think can still be a capable infield regular.
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I really dont see the attraction of Scott Proctor for LA ... What am i missing?
Posted by: Validlyte | July 31, 2007 at 11:14 AM
I don't see the attraction of Betemit for the Yankees. He's a mediocre replacement for ARod, and they shouldn't even be worrying about it now. He's never going to play. Proctor would be more valuable this year.
I guess it gives them insurance in case one of Cano, Jeter, or ARod gets hurt. But I don't think that's worth dealing Proctor for.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Proctor is really good just over used... Who wouldn't want a guy with a 95 fastball, nasty 12-6(i think its 12-6) curve and a nasty slider... He will be a good addition if used wisely
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:16 AM
isn't bettiment are good young player
Posted by: JDM33 | July 31, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Proctor was pretty good last year, he's been ok this year but a tad unlucky, with better use and park, might be worth something, i just dont' think this is the right kind of return for Betemit though. maybe the Yanks threw something else in? who knows.
Posted by: Yu Hsing Chen | July 31, 2007 at 11:17 AM
no he is your bench player
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Score me as one who doesn't see how this makes complete sense for either team. I like Betemit and think the Dodgers didn't give him a chance (though with LaRoche in the wings it's sort of understandable) but don't see how he fills a need with the Yankees. It's not like he plays 1st. (Or does he.) I like Proctor and the Dodgers do need more bullpen depth right now but really need a starter. On the other hand there's hardly any starter available who's worth dealing for so... strike this one up as "neither team loses, neither team comes out that much ahead."
Posted by: Craig Phillips | July 31, 2007 at 11:18 AM
He was good last year. I wonder if he can handle NY?
Posted by: Chipper | July 31, 2007 at 11:18 AM
in terms of overall value Betemit >>> Proctor, but at the moment the Yankee don't exactly need offense while I'm a little baffled if Proctor is the best and only guy they could get for Betimet.
Posted by: Yu Hsing Chen | July 31, 2007 at 11:19 AM
The Yanks got the better of this deal, but I don't care because this clears the way for LaRoche. Now the Dodgers will also probably pick up a Morgan Ensberg Im guessing.
Posted by: J.L. | July 31, 2007 at 11:20 AM
could this be a sign that the yankees are close to getting Gagne
Posted by: JDM33 | July 31, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Trade-wise, I guess Betemit has more value. But I still think it doesn't make sense for the Yankees. Maybe Texas would want Betemit? Blalock has about worn out his welcome, right?
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 11:21 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7072074
Gange to the yankees not loking good JDM33. Red Sox are failing to get Dye.
Posted by: Kramerica Industries | July 31, 2007 at 11:21 AM
I just read the were discouraged at their chances to but I guess its possible
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Yankees fans seem to like Proctor!?
As a Dodger fan i can say that Betemit has potential for 25+ HR's every year. After having a bad start this year he never really got back on track. He might want to stick to hitting on one side of the plate, but he has a good eye and will help. He can play 3B, 2B and some SS, so he is good as a backup. He had done really well off the bench too.
Posted by: dan1to | July 31, 2007 at 11:22 AM
I think it means either they're getting another reliever or they think bringing Joba up will make up for sending Proctor.
Posted by: tmcm650 | July 31, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Wilson Betemit...? Aaaw damn, if Betemit play First Base for us, then he's good, but not Third, SS or Second....
Posted by: YankeeAllTheWay | July 31, 2007 at 11:24 AM
I thought the Yankees were more desperate to get rid of Farnsworth? Well, I'm glad the Dodgers aren't getting him, anyway. Yeah, Betemit has potential to hit a lot of home runs. He has some terrible at bats, which may be what the Dodgers remember, but he's got great potential. On the other hand, maybe he is better as only a spot player. He mashed as a PH this year, while as a starter he was mostly terrible. Wish the D's would give Jon Meloan a chance tho.
Posted by: Craig Phillips | July 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM
I would bring up Joba. To me he seems like he can be like Zumaya(atleast for 1 year). They were both husky starters in the minors with electric fastballs and nasty breaking balls who were moved to the pen.
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM
I guess the logic is get something for Proctor before Torre blows his arm out. Proctor pitches well when he gets a decent amount of rest. Unfortunately Torre likes to keep him in the top 5 of MLB for innings & appearances.
If the Yankees kept Proctor much longer, he'd probably need arm surgery in the not too distant future.
Posted by: yanksfan | July 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM
but why not Adam Dunn...? He can play the role of DH for us...he have great power....is great to have 3. Adam Dunn, 4. A-Rod, 5. Bobby in your line-up...
Posted by: YankeeAllTheWay | July 31, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Given that Betemit has some range and a pretty good glove, i imagine he would make a fine 1B if needed to. He would be willing to as well, he has always seemed like a team guy in L.A.
Posted by: dan1to | July 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM
huh? Betemits glove sucks. And he's lazy. Im not upset he's gone, at all.
Posted by: J.L. | July 31, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Why wouldn't Yankees fans like Proctor? The guy has been super durable, pitches in any situation you need him in, and does a consistent job. He's not lights out but he gets the job done.
Betemit is just without a really good position for the Yankees. I don't see Joe Torre benching Philips and start Betemit, it's most likely somewhat a platoon at 1B and Betemit would also do some of what Cairo does now, pinch hit, spell the other infielders, etc, useful but not all that valuable.
Sounds like every team is discouraged about getting Gagne there, maybe Hicks really is out of his mind and resigns Gagne(there was some talk of that)
Posted by: zs190 | July 31, 2007 at 11:29 AM
There are 2 reasons why they made this trade:
1. A-Rod now has a low cost replacement for if he leaves.
2. The Yankees are probably close on acquiring another reliever, which is making Theo Epstein extremely excited to see who the Yankees gave away.
OR
They're close on bringing up Joba to be a reliever; but now that they're not liking there chances with Gagne, so they must have convinced Joe Torre to overuse Vizcaino like he did with Proctor.
Oh the trading deadline, what more fun could you ask for?
Posted by: dudewheresmygrl | July 31, 2007 at 11:30 AM
I think Joba coming up is a near certainty. But even assuming he's better than Proctor, we're still just swapping one arm for another. Proctor was decent - their 3rd best reliever behind Rivera and Vizcaino. So now you're swapping your 3rd best arm for a guy who in the best case can do what Vizcaino has done during his last good stretch (and that's far from a given). That is not a large incremental gain.
They need to replace their WORST relievers (I don't know - Farnsworth, Bruney, Villone, whoever). Joba for one of them would be a larger gain. Gagne would be better of course.
I wish we'd have a pen of Rivera, Vizcaino, Gagne, Joba, Proctor, and 2 out of whatever's left. Oh well...
I can only hope this means Gagne is a better chance than Rosenthal thinks. I still think he'll be dealt, and even if the Rangers don't like the current offer, it could still end up being the best one.
Plus they may blink and offer Gardner, which I assume the Rangers would jump on. Maybe they can make Texas take Farnsworth if they give them Gardner and Clippard?
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM
The thing that makes Betemit great is versatility. The Dodger's gave up on him really quick, but I think he can help the Yankees. He's the type of guy who can give your infielders days off. I think he does have some experience at first, although I don't think he's that comfortable over there.
Based on immediate need, Dodgers win this trade. Based on potential, Betemit all the way.
Posted by: FiNch | July 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Coletti just wanted to do SOMETHING after missing out on Tex and Dotel.
Posted by: SBE | July 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Ned Colleti takes the bait again. The Yankees are out there looking for relievers, yet they're willing to trade Proctor, a guy who throws gas and can rack up strikeouts? Now Ned, why would they be offering him to you? Ned, have you ever looked at what happens to Yankees relievers after Joe Torre has gotten done with them? Torre has done his best to make swiss cheese out of Proctor's arm, and they are dumping him before it falls off.
Good move for the Yanks
Posted by: xxxJamesxxx | July 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Betemit is a better utility infielder than Cairo. He has hit ten home runs in 156 at bats.
slick fielder/power hitter/small ball player & a good PH. And please give me a break on Proctor, he's 31 his value is high you got a good hitter for him. Last thing give me a break on Adam Dunn we have that in Shelley Duncan already
Posted by: Brandon | July 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Who says Betemit has good gloves? Most everyone thinks he's below average at all the infield positions even though he can play at all of them.
I do think Joba will get the call next week, he's been playing great in AAA.
As for Gagne, there is still some chance Texas will blink and give in, though it's kind of unclear who really has the best offer at this point.
Posted by: zs190 | July 31, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Betemit's glove does not suck J.L. And i never said he was a gold glove, but that he was pretty good... not great, but good. He is a useful PH or could fill in at IF positions when needed.
Posted by: dan1to | July 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM
are some of you guys really serious about betemit being a backup if a-rod leaves? you are going to give up a-rod and replace him with a guy that is not even close to the same caliber?? that has to be the strangest logic i have ever heard
Posted by: integr96 | July 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM
FiNch - agree on Betemit, but with every game so important, the Yankees IF are not going to get days off. Jeter, Cano, and ARod are playing every single day. Now, if an injury hits, then yes, this trade was great. But I don't know if they should be in the position to trade for protection. With the ground they have to make up, they should be taking some risks.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM
"Betemit's glove does not suck J.L."
Yes it does.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Nice trade for the Yankees. I'm jealous
Posted by: Bosox4416 | July 31, 2007 at 11:43 AM
As someone who lived with the Betemit soap opera during his Atlanta years (and damn you Jon Miller, for the whole pronunciation brouhaha), with Wilson the Yanks get a hitter who can play all four IF positions but none of them very well.
Good plate discipline, decent power (esp. HR potential). He'll never be a late-inning defensive guy for anybody.
Give him regular ABs and he'll help the club offensively.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | July 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Betemit is a better utility infielder than Cairo. He has hit ten home runs in 156 at bats.
slick fielder/power hitter/small ball player & a good PH. And please give me a break on Proctor, he's 31 his value is high you got a good hitter for him. Last thing give me a break on Adam Dunn we have that in Shelley Duncan already
Posted by: Brandon | July 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Slick fielder? Not a chance, he's average at best. He's too big for SS, only adequate at 2B, and if you think you have a 1B there, good luck. He has pop, and can take a walk, but also has awful atbats most of the time.
Posted by: sdodger | July 31, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Yeah, Betemit is valuable as a 3B. I think the Yankees win in this deal, but the Dodgers couldn't trade Nomar, so Betemit is not getting the playing time and Laroche is ready now. I would have rather they let him play and traded him in the offseason...
Posted by: lih | July 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Betemit has been acquired to fill in at 2b when Cano gets traded to the White Sox for Garland. Iguchi was given away to make room
Posted by: Peter Venkman | July 31, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Betemit glove is definitely below average. He's lost a lot of range since he's tacked on about 20 pounds.
Posted by: J.L. | July 31, 2007 at 12:02 PM
we're not trading Cano please stop making up stories here, and I've watched Betemit when he was in Atl trust me he is a slick fielder
think about it we're arguing a guy in Proctor who's arm is going to fall off soon for a guy whose BA is .231, HR 10, RBI 26, in 156 at bats. God some people do like to look at things horribly
Posted by: Brandon | July 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Garland was a joke from the beginning. Who exactly does he replace in the rotation?
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Who cares about his average if his OBP is .359? He'll likely see time at 1B this season and take over at 3B if Rodriguez leaves. If Alex stays, Betemit likely becomes trade bait again.
And thanks for the "you are going to give up a-rod and replace him with a guy that is not even close to the same caliber" comment. You basically described every major league baseball player.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 31, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Ok, I cant believe no one understands this deal from the Dodgers side...
THEY NEED BP ARMS in a horrible way... They are using Roberto Hernandez they are so desperate!
THEY DONT LIKE BETEMIT at all really... They have no faith in him and seem to do anything they can NOT to use him. With LaRoche ready he is nothing more than a wasted roaster spot
BP arms are rumored to cost a fortune! Linebrink did afterall... This cost the Dodger NOTHING when you consider thats what they think of Betemit...
This just is not a bad trade for them; they got the arm they needed and gave up what they consider to be trash ~ both teams benefit and its actually done meaning their GMs felt the same way…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | July 31, 2007 at 01:36 PM
we went from Tex coming to the bronx to acquired Wilson Betemit. Only time will tell
Posted by: Tofubrain | July 31, 2007 at 01:45 PM