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Pedro Feliz Looking For Two Years
Pedro Feliz is making about $5.4MM this year. Has he been worth it? He's hitting an ugly .249/.287/.421 while supplying what some consider to be Gold Glove defense. I am not a regular Feliz observer, so Giants fans feel free to weigh in.
It seems like nothing's changed with Feliz, but as John Shea notes, he is making better contact in this his age 32 season. I'm surprised that hasn't resulted in a better batting average.
If you subscribe to the Baseball Prospectus line of thinking, Feliz's awful OBP actually results in negative offensive value. Even with the 20 home runs every year, he's doing more harm than good to the offense.
Feliz, however, is hoping to snag a two-year deal from the Giants this time around. I imagine he's looking for $12MM or so. I hope Brian Sabean resists the temptation and lets him go. The Bonds-less 2008 Giants are going to be desperate for OBP, and Feliz detracts from that goal. In my opinion, it's time to let Feliz walk and use Rich Aurilia at third base because, well, the Giants are stuck with him.
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I actually have always considered Pedro Feliz as the national league's version of brandon inge, a guy who leaves a lot to be desired with the bat, but who plays everyday, but gives great effort and plays hard nosed effective defense. In that case, I actually think the giants would be smart to keep him. While they will be looking for OBP, i think that Pedro Feliz is still a nice option because he has decent pop, and when it is said that he has made better contact, it is because he has only struck out 67 times this year in 535 atbats, compared to 122 times last year in 603 at bats. The fact that he is going to have 550 at bats this year proves he is a gamer. I think that a 2-year deal in the 10 million dollar area (5 mill per) would be very acceptable for a gold glove third baseman with some pop, but a smarter option may be a one year deal with an attractive team option for the 2009 season.
Posted by: bravesbeast | September 24, 2007 at 11:55 AM
"Let Feliz walk"... ha. Irony in that statement.
Posted by: MO Boiler | September 24, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Tim, i just have a giants related question, would there be enough interest in renteria for the giants to surrender noah lowry? Just asking to see if this is an option, as lowry seems like a less than desirable package for renteria in terms of value.
Posted by: bravesbeast | September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Pedro Feliz's at-bats are some of the ugliest you will ever see. It is high time that the Giants moved on, despite the sparkling defense.
Posted by: RotoRueter | September 24, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Negative offensive value when compared to what? League average? Replacement?
Of course he's worse than league average offensively, but the power does make him a bit better than replacement.
Combined with the defense at 3B, he has a WARP of about 3 - which BP thinks is worth about $6M, incidentally.
Posted by: bobo | September 24, 2007 at 01:01 PM
Im not sure if Lowry for Edgar would work, that would add quite a bit on our payroll for a shortstop who isnt gonna grab us out of the cellar. Lowry had a 14-8 record on a last place team which is pretty special, sabean needs to rebuild for the future aka Escobar not the present aka Renteria
Posted by: JaCobyShaddix | September 24, 2007 at 01:38 PM
I think it would be ok...if A-Rod's on the market-of course any team would love to have him...there are other options but he has cut his strikeouts almost in half from last year, raised his avg +obp, and has played an awesome 3rd base(11 errors vs. 21 last year)--his fielding is 4th in mlb...id say if he wants 2 years give it to him but he should take a slight discount--2/10--also p.s. given his versatility, he brings a lot of options to the table for Boch.
Posted by: Scronjsn11 | September 24, 2007 at 01:47 PM
Usually a lurker but being a Giants fan feel I have enough knowledge to add to the pot.
Bravesbeat is pretty much accurate on Feliz. He would also make a good utility guy on a fully stocked team. Aurilia is not an option as a starter. His body will not take the full time pounding. The Giants have nothing on the upper farm for Third or First ( another position Feliz can fill) so signing him to a 2 year deal would not be an instantly terrible move for Sabean. It might increase my TMJ and ulcers but there would be logic behind such a move.
Bravebeat: I think Giants should be much more interested in corner infield help then Rentaria. Not that middle infield isn’t a problem but the corners are just so much more so. But then its Sabean calling the shots so all bets are off.
Posted by: daveinexile | September 24, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Pedro Feliz is the type of player defensively that could have one stellar year and win A gold glove in his career but he's slightly below gold glove caliber. Just like Inge and Crede. All three still botch a few too many easy/"routine" plays. Over the past few years, the GG standard for 3B has been set by four players: Chavez, Lowell, Beltre, and Rolen(Rolen about 2-3 years ago).
Posted by: Droptop | September 24, 2007 at 02:11 PM
Giants could go get someone to play 3rd. D-Backs have Mark Reynolds and Chad Tracy so maybe one of those could get traded, Eric Chavez is an option but a stupid one, Garrett Atkins might just be the best option to go after, Akinori Iwamura is just another player unless the D-Rays decide to keep him and move him to 2nd or even SS, Kevin Kouzmanoff or Morgan Ensberg.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | September 24, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Joe Crede doesn't botch easy plays...Inge probably doesn't eaithe,r he just has so much range.
Posted by: buehrlebro | September 24, 2007 at 07:03 PM
Feliz is definitely Gold Glove caliber, but his offense is frustrating. It's nice to have a gold glove 3B, but the giants can't afford to keep him (especially for $6 million/yr) with the rest of their offense so terrible.
The giants won't trade Lowry for Renteria. For a 26 year old who is one of the better left-handed pitchers in the MLB they can get an offensive difference maker, not just a good piece.
Posted by: strumtrelescent | September 24, 2007 at 09:12 PM