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Buster Olney's got the scoop on Alex Rodriguez:
"The offer could be for something in the range of five years -- beyond the three years Rodriguez is already under contract for, from 2008-10 -- and perhaps $30 million a year."
If somehow you're behind in the A-Rod times, catch up here. Since that post, the Yankees have requested a meeting with their third baseman sometime before his deadline (10 days after the end of the World Series) to announce whether he will opt out or not.
If the Yankees make this offer, it would be to retain the talent in light of Brian Cashman's firm stance that if A-Rod opts out then the Yankees will not negotiate. Also, the offer will prevent $21.3 million still due on A-Rod's contract in subsidy from the Texas Rangers from slipping away. Whether or not it signifies that other teams would be able to approach this record offer remains up for speculation.
$150MM extension would net A-Rod a colossal $230MM over the next 8 years. That's up from his current $25.2 million to $28.75 million/year, edging out Roger Clemens' $28 million one-year contract.
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Only the Yanks should try to sign Arod...
30 bones a year would pretty much decimate any other teams payroll, except maybe the Red Sox.
I'd much rather sign Torii Hunter, Kosuke Fukudome AND a reliever like Linebrink for that money.
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | October 27, 2007 at 04:56 PM
I'm sorry. I really wanted to see Arod leave New York, but if its just about the money, I can't see even him doing better than 8/230 going through his age 39 year. No one is going to do it...and if you factor in what the Yankees are saving, they are 'only' paying him about $26 million a year, for all those years.
Posted by: Guitar Hero | October 27, 2007 at 05:29 PM
This is exactly what the Yankees basically said they will do. Make an extension offer, give him no reason to opt out, and force him to decide between staying in NY, and not, or, staying, or running away scared of NY.
That is what they are making it down to, that is why they won't sign him if he opts out. They refuse to be held hostage.
Seems quite smart to me.
Posted by: quintjs | October 27, 2007 at 05:34 PM
Yes, the Yankees are playing it smart, because, yes, they do need A-Rod.
I disagree with Zito4Cy - I'd rather have A-Rod than Hunter, Fukudome, and Linebrink - A-Rod is a much better bet to still be good in 2 years than any of those players, let alone the 5 years you'll need to get Hunter.
So, the question now is - does anyone think he is a good bet to be that good for 9 years, or at least worth it for the next few years if he isn't. I could see the Giants being willing to sign him for more years.
Posted by: DGU | October 27, 2007 at 05:51 PM
I have to disagree with your disagreement...lol
Arod is better than all three of those players, but only the Yanks can truly afford to pay 30 mill a year plus field a team. My Giants proved that one player doesn't make a team.
Plus if Arod signs a 10 year contract then gets hurt, that team is screwed.
Torii 5/75
Fukudome 4/40
Linebrink 1/3
Torii - could bat 1st/3rd/4th/5th
Fukudome - could bat 3rd/5th
Not as big as a risk IMHO
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | October 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
hes going to opt out anyway. the whole point of that kind of clause is so he can dip his foot into the free agent water, why except another deal under a contracted team now, when he can wait a few weeks, hear them from a few teams and pick the best deal. He will opt out even if the deal is about what he thinks is right, just to see if he can make a few mil more, thats the only reason he is doing this anyway, money, not for the yankees. Sorry yankee fans, us Sox fans have been telling you, he is not a good guy
Posted by: 04Forever | October 27, 2007 at 06:22 PM
If they dollars end up being what is reported then A-Rod would be foolish to opt out.
That would be a huge gamble that another team would step up and pay more than $30m/year over 8 years. Cashman has already said, numerous times, that if A-Rod opts out then the Yanks won't bid on his services. What teams are left that want to drop $30+m on a guy?
BoSox want Lowell back at nearly 1/3rd of A-Rod's price. Angels don't want to pay someone 2x's what they pay Vlad. Giants have so many more holes to fill. Cubs have Ramirez. Just go down the list and you will realize there aren't a lot of great fits.
I stand by my earlier prediction that if the Yanks don't resign him the best A-Rod will get will be more years at approximately the same contract value - something like an 8y/$210m deal.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 27, 2007 at 06:38 PM
BTW - I would take A-Rod over those three guys mentioned. Hunter is coming off a career offensive year. Linebrink is toast as a set-up guy and Fukudome is a huge unknown.
A-Rod might cost a fortune but you can feel pretty confident that you will get .300 45+ HR's and solid defense.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM
i agree with everything you said, except for solid defense. but im sure he is going to opt out regardless, besides, Scott Boras will convince him like a devil in his ear
Posted by: 04Forever | October 27, 2007 at 06:47 PM
This AROD or Hunter, Fukudome and Linebrink is a pointless argument.
A) If the Yankees want to they can have AROD, Hunter, Linebrink and Fukudome. Cost is only a small issue to the Yankees.
B) There is no one on the FA market that can replace AROD at 3B. Especially if Lowell resigns with BOS. Then they have trade for a 3B or go with Betemit. That is a very significant talent drop on the team.
Posted by: kab21 | October 27, 2007 at 06:58 PM
Forget about A-Rod. I'm more concerned about who will catch and close if Posada and Rivera don't resign. I think that's a little higher priority than a post-season choker.
Posted by: sunblazer | October 27, 2007 at 07:02 PM
"This AROD or Hunter, Fukudome and Linebrink is a pointless argument."
We aren't just talking about the Yanks. If you re-read, we are talking about every team. For every other team, 30 mill is 30% or more of their team salary. My Giants for example have cap room for Arod, but then what else? If we signed the other 3, we'd have a much more balanced team.
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | October 27, 2007 at 07:14 PM
He'll probably sign an extension at the last minute with the Yankees, with Boras trying to milk every last dollar (or an extra year or two) out of them until the deadline.
My guess is that he averages about $30M a year, which would put the extension at 5 years, $159M.
Knowing Boras, they will only opt out if he KNOWS a team will top that.
And regardless of what people say, if it comes down to a million a year, I think ARod is going to stay where he's comfortable (i.e. NY, if you believe him).
So basically another team would have to top NY's offer by at least 2 or 3 million per year - and I just don't see that happening.
Posted by: bobo | October 27, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Boras can't field any offers from any team until AROD opts out. He can talk with them, but there would be big penalties for collusion.
My guess is that AROD won't risk opting out if he thinks that the Yankees are serious about not signing him if he opts out.
Without the Yankees there isn't a serious bidding war. Especially if Lowell resigns in Boston.
Posted by: kab21 | October 27, 2007 at 07:50 PM
Anyway - obvious teams that might bid on A-Rod if he opts out - Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Red Sox, Tigers - I think that's still enough to have a bidding war, even if the Yankees and Mets are out.
But this is the genuis of the Yankees insisting that they will not bid again if he opts out - if Scott Boras suggests the extension has to be so many years or so many dollars and then A-Rod opts out and gets that, then there is case for collusion.
Posted by: DGU | October 27, 2007 at 08:19 PM
kab21 is exactly right - there is no one on the market that can replace A-Rod, but not just as a 3B, also as a proven, consistent power source with an excellent health track record, in short, a bonafide cornerstone superstar.
"Giants have so many holes to fill" from a baseball team POV, but from a business POV, their biggest hole to fill is the marketing hole Bonds filled - and A-Rod is the only one who fills that hole.
"My Giants proved that one player doesn't make a team." Well, yes and no - I mean at the obvious level that you can't play a bunch of below-replacement-level players and just Bonds and win, but the Giants with a few decent players and Bonds were just outs from a WS.
Posted by: DGU | October 27, 2007 at 08:19 PM
04forever, since when has wanting to get the most money you can equal to being a bad guy.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 27, 2007 at 09:21 PM
"But this is the genuis of the Yankees insisting that they will not bid again if he opts out - if Scott Boras suggests the extension has to be so many years or so many dollars and then A-Rod opts out and gets that, then there is case for collusion."
Thats like the stupidest thing I have ever heard. "Ohh this team was willing to pay more then the yankees were so there must have been collusion."
Scott Boras is probably colluding the hell out of a lot of teams right now. You cant prove a thing though.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 27, 2007 at 09:27 PM
The thing about not opting out is this: the Yankees have the biggest payroll plus the benefit of Texas money, so their extension offer has a very good chance of being the best offer he'll ever see. To further that, the Yankees have stated that they will not pursue A-Rod if he is a free agent. Whether or not that will be the case remains to be seen, but Steinbrenner IS stubborn if nothing else. So, if he opts out and cannot match the deal the Yankees offered him on the market, it seems foolish. I think in the long run, whether or not he wants to play in New York will play a bigger factor than people realize.
Posted by: johnflaherty | October 27, 2007 at 11:14 PM
'Anyway - obvious teams that might bid on A-Rod if he opts out - Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Red Sox, Tigers - I think that's still enough to have a bidding war, even if the Yankees and Mets are out.'
Maybe I would be surprised but I don't see any of those teams being very excited about 8yrs/230M. It's not the 30M/yr that scares teams, but the 8-10 years.
I don't see AROD walking away from that Yankees offer, but who knows.
Posted by: kab21 | October 27, 2007 at 11:49 PM
This whole a-rod contract business is fascinating. He's good but certainly not worth 30m a year. No one is. Here's some speculation, what kind of contract do you think Barry Bonds would have gotten had he been a free agent after his 72 home run season?
Posted by: CubsFan84 | October 27, 2007 at 11:56 PM
In todays market...i should have added.
Posted by: CubsFan84 | October 27, 2007 at 11:56 PM
nrmax88, i didnt say the money made him a bad guy, i dont like his ethics, he is an unclassy player and represents alot of what is wrong with baseball, the money is just more salt on the wound. He already has a monster deal, and lets be honest, if he didnt have as good a year as he did this year, would we even be talking about this right now. If he gets 30 million per year until he is 43, then that proves something has gone horribly wrong in the baseball world. yankee fans are the ones that are going to be picking up the check anyway, higher ticket prices and $11 dollar beers, just on account of him, its not friggen fair to the fans, and its not like this guy is roberto clemente, hes no role model on or off the field, a player like Jeter deserves that money, a man who is selfless for the shake of his team and actually can hit the ball in october. I dont know i dont want to rant and i know its to late, i just wish this deal couldnt happen period, its not right, its just not right, is any LIVING player worth that?
Posted by: 04Forever | October 28, 2007 at 04:36 AM
i pray to god the red sox dont even have the thought of talking to him when he opts out, stick with lowell, atleast he hits when it counts, like now.
One man cant save a whole team, no matter what you pay him and how good he is, yankees need to seriously retool this team all over again, ARod is not the problem
Posted by: 04Forever | October 28, 2007 at 04:42 AM
Now you all believe me. This was just a big bluff by Cashman.
Posted by: themfightnwords | October 28, 2007 at 08:22 AM
I do agree with 04 completely. I've almost desensitized myself to the dollar amounts when discussing contracts. It's really the only way you can follow any of it.
Posted by: johnflaherty | October 28, 2007 at 12:24 PM
I dont wana here jack shyt about is what is fair to yankee fans. What isnt fair is that Joe Torre is no longer managing the team because the fans bitch and complain about how Torre is over the hill and how they have to win the WS every year. When you operate that way, then you will pay whatever the hell they want you to pay for a beer. You cant hear the yankee fans complaining that we want the best players to win a WS, then complain that the god dam nachos grandes cost 8 dollars. Cant have it both ways. You wana watch a perennial world series contender? Go watch the yankees and deal with the prices. You want to enjoy a nice game with cheap food and beer? Go and join the other 50 people at Dolphin stadium and watch the marlins.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 28, 2007 at 01:43 PM
"i pray to god the red sox dont even have the thought of talking to him when he opts out, stick with lowell, atleast he hits when it counts, like now.
One man cant save a whole team, no matter what you pay him and how good he is, yankees need to seriously retool this team all over again, ARod is not the problem"
So which is it? Is Arod not the problem? Or do they have to retool the team? Many people on here will cnvincingly get the point across that A-rod is indeed worth 30 mil, because of todays revenue and the record amount of money baseball is making. When people say they dont want A-rod, because he "sucks in the playoffs, so id rather have mike lowell", it just makes me laugh. These are the people that wont be taken seriously any more. Why dont you go hang out with the guy who said he would rather have Lugo in a playoff series then A-Rod, you guys can form some colt following of the Anti-A-rods. You can make tee-shirts and everything.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 28, 2007 at 01:47 PM
well gents, i hate to say i told you so, but i was right, he opted out of his contract, it was announced during the world series in the 7th inning. Proves i was right, not a player of class, just money. as for nrmax88, your either alex himself or his mother, admit it, i was right in the end, if your a yankees fan then i wish you luck, from your point of view, your going to need it now
Posted by: 04Forever | October 28, 2007 at 10:21 PM