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White Sox Shopping Uribe?
UPDATE: Good stuff from Eduardo Encina. Apparently the Rays don't like Uribe's weight or price tag, and their interest is "very limited." By the way, per Keith Law, Uribe can be traded despite being signed as a free agent by the Sox.
With Orlando Cabrera in house, the White Sox now have an extra shortstop in Juan Uribe. They'd like to clear his $4.5MM salary to create more room for Torii Hunter. I imagine it wouldn't take much in return - it might be more of a salary dump. In hindsight maybe Williams should've declined to re-sign Uribe, but who knows where the Cabrera deal was at that time.
The above-linked Chicago Tribune names the Rays as one possible suitor for Uribe. Marc Lancaster acknowledges the need for a shortstop, but notes that the team wants defense and that isn't Uribe's forte. What is his forte these days? Uribe once played stellar defense, and a change of scenery could bring back the championship-level glovework.
Any other teams in the hunt for a second-division shortstop? As I have speculated before, the Orioles might be if they trade Miguel Tejada. The Cubs might be looking but Uribe wouldn't present much of an upgrade. The Astros, Pirates, and Cardinals might be options.
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Juan Uribe for a Bag of Balls and a Bucket of sunflower seeds.
Posted by: trober81 | November 20, 2007 at 08:58 AM
Throw in some cash and we have a deal.
Posted by: Land-Man | November 20, 2007 at 09:03 AM
Juan Uribe is a bad baseball player.
Juan Uribe is wildly overpaid.
Juan Uribe is a middle infielder.
Jim Hendry will be interested.
Posted by: eljefe281 | November 20, 2007 at 09:14 AM
How is defense not his forte? BP rated him as a 111, 106, and 114 the past 3 seasons. Where is Tampa going to get anyone better defensively?
Posted by: cabiness42 | November 20, 2007 at 09:19 AM
I'm still thinking that Uribe doesn't fit the profile of what the Orioles are doing this offseason. They're trying to unload the contracts they have that are like Uribe's--Huff, Gibbons, Mora, R. Hernandez--that are too much money for declining veterans. In house, they have two superb--truly superb--defensive shortstops in L. Hernandez and Fahey. Neither can be counted on to hit above the Belanger Line, of course, but they are much better defensive options than Uribe, and defense would be paramount in supporting the young pitchers the Orioles are grooming. Alternatively, Cesar Izturis is available as a free agent--again a far superior defensive shortstop to Uribe--and free but for money (though, of course, other teams may be interested). It is also possible that a shortstop will come back in a Tejada, Mora, Bedard, or R. Hernandez trade.
Posted by: Playwright | November 20, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Bobby Crosby & Huston Street for Carl Crawford + SP Prospect (Jacob McGee)?
Crosby plays great defense. He should be on borrowed time, even though he seems to be Beane's Boy. Street is due a pay increase, and we know that Billy Beane thinks that closers are overrated.
Any thoughts?
Posted by: jpkinney7 | November 20, 2007 at 09:31 AM
"Alternatively, Cesar Izturis is available as a free agent--again a far superior defensive shortstop to Uribe"
You made me laugh so hard I spit coffee all over my keyboard.
Posted by: cabiness42 | November 20, 2007 at 09:34 AM
yeah, thats an awful trade for TB. Street had elbow problems and crosby plays 45 games a year and hasnt hit above .270 since his rookie year, or close to that.
A-Cab, i also laughed pretty hard with that statement. someones been drinkin that cubs juice again! what makes izturisa far superior defensive player to Uribe? that he won a gold glove 3 or 4 years ago??? that doesnt mean anything now.
Posted by: trober81 | November 20, 2007 at 09:38 AM
scratch that cubs juice comment. i dont know where my mind was.
Posted by: trober81 | November 20, 2007 at 09:40 AM
Who is going to want Uribe, and want him at $4.5 Mil. I cant really see the sox dealing him to anyone without eating half the salary or taking an equally bad one back in return. I had originally thought KW signed Uribe at the time to be either his starter or super backup INF. Since the sox are going to non-tender Cintron and save the $3 Mil there they gave $4.5 to Uribe to be either the starting SS if they couldn't find anyone, or Richar's insurance at 2B. I guess with KW saying he wants to trade him he doesn't even see value in Uribe as a backup or insurance against starting a rookie a 2B, its about time.
Posted by: Joeynach | November 20, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Andrew Cabiness, what? You think Uribe is still a good defensive shortstop, or that Izturis is a poor one? I'm not arguing that Uribe might not have better overall value, but he has declined considerably defensively. Defense is the only attribute of Izturis.
Posted by: Playwright | November 20, 2007 at 09:47 AM
"How is defense not his forte? BP rated him as a 111, 106, and 114 the past 3 seasons. Where is Tampa going to get anyone better defensively?"
BPs defensive metrics are pretty sketchy. RZR has him 19th of 25 in in 2007, down from 7th of 24 in 2006 and 9th of 25 in 2005. Could be a one year blip, could be a trend. No idea.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 20, 2007 at 09:52 AM
Just cause some columnist thinks that the Rays aren't interested or that Uribe is a poor defensive SS does not make either so.
Posted by: wihargo | November 20, 2007 at 09:52 AM
Yea, Uribe and Izturis might land starting gigs. Their defense is awesome...agreed. So it could be the right fit for a young pitching staff like the Rays. But not the orioles. they need some pop if they lose miggy t.
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/11/20/tuesday-morning-trade-rumors/
Posted by: EM3 | November 20, 2007 at 09:53 AM
Kenny's quote was that Uribe was available as a starting SS as both the club and player would like that.
That doesn't mean that if the Sox get garbage offers or are forced to send cash to equalize salary they wouldn't keep him as a backup 2B/SS in case of injury or Richar struggling at the plate.
Also, whoever said Uribe's forte isn't his defense is incorrect. He's a very good defensive shortstop, just a hair under the level of Cabrera, but the problem is his hitting.
He's wildly inconstent at the plate, and is an all-or-nothing HR or strikeout hitter, which is why the Sox got Cabrera.
Posted by: Cold Golden Falstaff | November 20, 2007 at 09:53 AM
I think you guys are living in the past in regard to Uribe's defense. It's below average now. He's aging. Declining range.
Posted by: Playwright | November 20, 2007 at 09:56 AM
A defensive-minded SS available at $4.5M? He would be a great asset with the Cubs, who are in short supply of middle infielders.
Posted by: Flatley | November 20, 2007 at 09:57 AM
Uribe sucks, theres no doubt about it, but with the market for MI's, 4.5 million doesnt look terrible. look at luis castillo, he got 6 mil and hes older and cripple.
Posted by: trober81 | November 20, 2007 at 10:03 AM
"You think Uribe is still a good defensive shortstop, or that Izturis is a poor one?"
Uribe is still very good defensively. Yes he put on weight and yes he looked goofy out there last year, but his range is still above average and his cannon arm still makes lots of plays for him. Izturis is at best slightly above average. Really, he's a utility player and not a starting shortstop.
Posted by: cabiness42 | November 20, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Again using the Hardball Times defensive numbers (out of zone plays divided by innings), Uribe's range was actually pretty well below average last season.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 20, 2007 at 11:04 AM
Uribe's defense and range really all depends if he comes to ST in shape. He is not the same ss with the waistline. He is however young enough to rebound and is NOT being extorted this year!
He will prob be an above avg defensive fielder next year. Chone's rating for him in 2008 is 7, well above avg.
But oh that bat....
Posted by: tdogg | November 20, 2007 at 11:29 AM
"In hindsight maybe Williams should've declined to re-sign Uribe, but who knows where the Cabrera deal was at that time."
Kenny Williams has already said that the Angels didn't come to him with the proposition until after he signed Uribe.
Williams was put in a tough spot. He was risking having no SS because he couldn't make a deal for an upgrade, and he had to have him signed by November 7. He chose to make sure he had one, rather than starting Andy Gonzalez on Opening Day, and no one wants to see that (really).
Posted by: tsizzle | November 20, 2007 at 11:36 AM
why would the Pirates be interested in Uribe? Jack Wilson hit .296/.350/.440 with 12 HR last year and had Freddy Sanchez hit .304/.343/.442 with 11 HR. They both play very good defense and they just got rid of Izturis...there's no way they'll go after Uribe
Posted by: Charlie | November 20, 2007 at 12:41 PM
beat me to it 92-93. I gota love this deal for the Mets as they gave up nothing and get a good platoon mate for Ramon. Some would also say getting rid of Mota is addition by subtraction.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 20, 2007 at 05:52 PM
The ChiSox dumped Pods as well. He'd make an interesting fit for the Padres CF vacancy.
Posted by: WestCoastBias | November 20, 2007 at 06:00 PM
If some team makes Pods their starting CF, let alone one that plays in a spacious park, I'll buy MLB Extra Innings just for the comedic value.
Posted by: cabiness42 | November 20, 2007 at 07:07 PM
That the Estrada for Mota trade looks great for Minaya. He nearly signed a worse player in Torrealba, who wouldve been making a similar amount to that of Estrada. Not only did Omar get a catcher on a shorter deal, but he got a superior one, as well as getting rid of Guillermo Mota, who sported a 5.75 ERA and a 1.4 WHIP last year. Bravo.
Meanwhile getting back to Juan Uribe, I still think he might have value. Maybe. Somewhere. He is still a good shortstop with plus power, and i could see him coming up with a 255/25/75 year next year. Add in some at least decent fielding and for some teams that wouldn't be awful. Considering that he's entering the pinnicle of his prime, age 28, I would think that one team would be willing to offer a decent prospect, or at least take the contract off the Sox's hands without any extra cash. Also, Uribe rapes Izturis. Watching those two in Chicago, before the Cubbies dumped Izturis, last year, its clear that Uribe is far better. He is much better as a hitter, and their fielding is close to even. Maybe they could include him in a package with some guys like Crede or Lance Broadway, and bring back someone helpful like a Carl Crawford.
Otherwise, what does everyone here think of this idea?
Sox get: Rocco Baldelli
Rays get: Juan Uribe and Charlie Haeger, cash
Baldelli has practically no value now considering the injury issues, but I bet the Sox would take a chance on him. Since they'll probably add a CF still, Baldelli could play left. If he went down they could put in Sweeney or Owens or Fields if they had someone to put at 3rd (assuming they trade Crede). The Rays would use Uribe at short and Haeger could fit in as a long reliever or something. I'm sure the Sox would jump on this deal, do you think the Rays would make a deal like this?
Posted by: scribbletone | November 20, 2007 at 07:09 PM
Scott Podsednik simply can't play center field. He's not going to be worth it to give him a starting job, either. He's pretty much lacking in the value department since the hamstring/groin injuries.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 07:09 PM
I liked Rocco a lot before he turned into DL Hughely. I'd rather have someone like Coco Crisp or a left fielder who can hit.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 07:12 PM
Melvin may be the worst GM in baseball. Even non-tendering estrada would have been better than getting mota.
Posted by: SkiBolton | November 20, 2007 at 07:20 PM
In other news. The Mets have traded Mota to the Brewers for Estrada!!!
http://globalnym.blogspot.com
Posted by: VIPRegan | November 20, 2007 at 07:20 PM
scribbletone,
Over on the Sox message board some of us have been kicking around a swap involving Uribe and Baldelli. I really like Haeger and would rather part with guys like Masset or Broadway, but the general idea is the same.
Posted by: cabiness42 | November 20, 2007 at 07:23 PM
What about Uribe for Dukes, Sox picking up most of the salary? Throw in MacDougal or something if necessary
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 07:31 PM
“Kenny Williams has already said that the Angels didn't come to him with the proposition until after he signed Uribe.”
…But this also brings us back full swing and is a prefect reason for ChiSox fans to question if KW even knows what he’s doing or is making things up as he goes…
See, not 4 months ago Garland could have brought “Renteria AND a Top-Pitch Pros”. Now, I’m not a genius, but Renteria (6M after Bos Money) + Top-Prospect seems a much better deal than Cabrera alone with a 7.5M cost (9M minus 1.5 from Ana). Chi turned that down though…
He tells us that they “might want to lock him up long term” out of one side of the mouth and that he feels they will wait till the offseason where the demand might be even higher because of the weak FA market from the other…
He also tells us that the team will be trying to compete in 08 while they were in the middle of one of the worst record in baseball…
Then add in the fact that we found out that the FO doesn’t really trust Garland and feels he has probably peaked a while ago.
Now they make a Garland for OC trade after signing Uribe because they didn’t know if they would be able to upgrade…
See, if they wanted to really upgrade over Uribe then why didn’t they do it the first time they had a phenomenal package in front of them? It’s not like they didn’t realize Uribe would be their SS back then, no one else has been removed from the market so…
Then, whats up with the “weak FA market, demand might be higher stuff”? See, to capitalize on that demand you have to be one of the last, not first, moves to take place… The Demand is much lower before a single other SP changes places, but that is when they decide to trade him…
And you don’t trust him do you? Then why did you give the “might lock him up longterm” lipservice?
Seriously, when you think about all the statements made you really begin to see the back-and-forth mindstate showing itself big time. I am honestly not sure if he has a gameplan what-so-ever and instead is just trying to stay busy… This Uribe situation is a complete joke, the “upgrading” doesn’t make sense when coupled with the ERent possibility and he’s traded his best bargaining chip way to early just to fill one of the few roster spots that didn’t have a huge question attached to it…
Whatever the case, good luck WhiteSox fans ~ it will be interesting to see if this guy figures out what he is even trying to do sometime soon…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 20, 2007 at 07:49 PM
Firstly, darkstar, i believe the offer was solely Garland for Renteria, straight up. That changes it a lot, but i still would prefer Renteria to Cabrera.
And gogopalehose, I thought about a Uribe for Dukes trade myself, and even though I think this deal could definately happen, I think Baldelli would be the better option considering Dukes' personal issues
Posted by: scribbletone | November 20, 2007 at 07:56 PM
Estrada is a pretty bad player, but he has one major strength: he is not Guillermo Mota.
Estrada wasn't too different from Paul Lo Duca last year, and Mota of course was one of the worst players in the National League. Mets fans have got to be ecstatic about this trade.
Posted by: JK47 | November 20, 2007 at 07:57 PM
I'll take Dukes' personal issues over Baldelli's health issues any day. Dukes is league minimum, so it doesn't matter as much if his world of potential goes down the drain. Dukes' personal problems subside with a move from T-Bay, Baldelli's hamstring problems don't. Dukes could emerge as a star in Chicago.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 08:00 PM
I will say this in his comparison to Renteria, and that is that he has a clear cut advantage in two areas: Defense and durability. Cabrera is always playing as many games as possible while Renteria is starting to succumb to smaller injuries while he has never been in as many games as O-Cabs. Cabrera is also better defensively, whereas Renteria seems sorta below average.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 08:32 PM
Scribble,
Nah, check it out:
“Jon Garland can be had, but Kenny Williams' price is sky-high. The Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Mets, and Braves all have interest. The Braves had offered not only Edgar Renteria but a top pitching prospect, and still were rejected. Rosenthal expects Garland to stay put because as the asking price is not met.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/rosenthals-la-9.html#comments
And GoGo,
Ok, I’ll let that one go as its arguable ~ but its also a 1.5M difference in cash and you lose out on the “top pitching prospect”. The two trades are not comparable at all when thats factored in...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 20, 2007 at 08:55 PM
If the "top pitching prospect" was Matt Harrison, most likely was, I'll let it go because he wouldn't ever fit with the White Sox. If it was Joey Devine, well, we already have unproven arms, so it's not like he's any better(although he well could be). Renteria is more valuable than Cabrera, but let's look at it this way. Cabrera is gold glove- not that he's the best in the AL, but he's up there. He's more durable and might, over the long term, cost less than Renteria, who won't like a pay cut from his $11 million option in 09 if he's worth it. Conceivably, Renteria will age quicklier. I'm not saying this makes any more sense than the Braves deal would have, because it doesn't. I'm just saying that, conceivably, it could work out well in the end.
Sidenote: You dunno how Renteria will perform in his 2nd trip to the AL...also, the White Sox got an MVP candidate, so all the better! Cabrera was voted 15th in AL MVP balloting(lighthearted chuckle)
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 09:09 PM
hmm touche darkstar. Hmm well I guess in that case then Williams did screw up fairly bad. But gogo makes a good point in saying that the prospect wouldn't have likely been anyone truly special? It wouldve likely been one of Harrison, Jo Jo Reyes, Devine, Kyle Davies, etc. It wouldn't have been Chuck James, so it could have been worse.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 20, 2007 at 09:18 PM
Ahh, but what you're missing there GoGo is the ability for the Sox to turn that SP Pitch prospect over in yet another deal.
Worst case you spin him for a upper-level BP arm and its ERent + 1.5M + better BP arm...
Best case you might be able to pull in a plus-side fielding prospect of your Pos choice. Maybe it ends up ERent + 1.5M + maybe C or 2B or OF pros...
Other option you package the guy with another player and get even something better...
This OC thing then has very little value vs the Braves offer.
Oh, and 6+11 = 17M; cut it in half and ERent kind of costs you 8.5 each. OC already costs you 7.5 this year, will make 9+ each year after if you kept him ~ but I'm not so sure you sould want him more that 2-3 years anyway and it might be hard to get him to take a 2 year deal after 08..
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 20, 2007 at 09:56 PM
Ahh, but what you're missing there GoGo is the ability for the Sox to turn that SP Pitch prospect over in yet another deal.
Worst case you spin him for a upper-level BP arm and its ERent + 1.5M + better BP arm...
Best case you might be able to pull in a plus-side fielding prospect of your Pos choice. Maybe it ends up ERent + 1.5M + maybe C or 2B or OF pros...
Other option you package the guy with another player and get even something better...
This OC thing then has very little value vs the Braves offer.
Oh, and 6+11 = 17M; cut it in half and ERent kind of costs you 8.5 each. OC already costs you 7.5 this year, will make 9+ each year after if you kept him ~ but I'm not so sure you sould want him more that 2-3 years anyway and it might be hard to get him to take a 2 year deal after 08..
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 20, 2007 at 09:56 PM
"He's more durable and might, over the long term, cost less than Renteria, who won't like a pay cut from his $11 million option in 09 if he's worth it." That's what I'm saying- Cabrera might be easier to sign after or during 08 than Renteria after his contract runs up. How many players of All-Star caliber coming off their age 33 season get pay cuts(Renteria after 09).
In retrospect, the Braves got a much better deal from the Tigers for Renteria in my opinion. If the stars align just right, perhaps this can benefit the White Sox more because of the Tigers losing some sort of value from Jurrjens and Hernandez. Of course, a trade will never be looked at that way.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 20, 2007 at 10:02 PM
“In retrospect, the Braves got a much better deal from the Tigers for Renteria in my opinion”
…Oh, do agree with that 100% Honestly, when you factor the three rumors/two deals as a whole, this is how I see the teams fairing…
Braves ~ Made out like a bandit. The deal from Det is far superior to Garland since Judy was only going to be there 1.5years, they would have gotten the “coming back down to earth” 2nd half of Garlands 2007 which wouldn’t have helped a ton in their playoff chances, and they saved a ton of money.
Chi ~ Just don’t understand their thinking at all… But, already gone over that one.
Det ~ I don’t get this at all either… They trade 2 very nice looking kids for a SS when they have the Top-3 hitting SS in the game already. Sure, he was hurting a little bit in 07; I still don’t think that is justification to move him under the pretence of “we want him to survive the contract we just gave him as though he was a top-3 SS instead of a rather average hitting 1B”
Ana ~ Ok, this one is a tough call ATM. IF they trade from the current starting rotation then I can see Garland coming in handy. But its only 1 year at 13.5M (which is a lot for his production, comparable is 8-11M) so its not like there is any longterm value at all, he’s just a super expensive stop-gap. Then, what if the M.Cabrera trade doesn’t go down? I know they will always find a taker for one of the arms, but what if they have to deal whoever at a lower value because everyone knows they must unload one. Then, no matter if the Cabrera deal does take place, they hurt SS a lot more than people think and the effects will be felt. They should have dealt OC for more of a longterm SP solution IMO ~ IE what ATL got for ERent.
Oh well…
Lastly as a sidenote, I would like to ask ~ how comfortable are you with OC on a 5YR/50ish deal? Currently he is 33 and hasn’t posted but 1 OPS+ over 100 in his entire career. He is generally good for a line of about .275/.330/.400 max, has already had small injury problems himself and plays SS ~ you know, the position where guys generally don’t last past 34 or 35 at… Well, who thinks he wont be asking for 4 years (I mean Eck is…), and it almost certainly will be for more than his current 9M so that’s possibly even a lowball figure. I would see that as a disaster waiting to happen…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 20, 2007 at 11:55 PM
Tough to say. No way he would get that from the Sox. There aren't really a lot of comparables, since he will be going into his age 34 season as a shortstop. I see a three year deal with a fourth year option more likely, possibly at less than his current average salary. We'll see, but right now I'm happy we have a shortstop with some enthusiasm/work ethic.
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 21, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Ahh, but even a 3 +Option would end up carrying him till 2011/2012 ~ ie making it a 4+Option deal from today…
And I really cant imagine him taking a deal to pay him less than his current Avg since he is coming off beter years now then he did when he signed the last contract… But lets say he doesn’t get a raise what so ever, instead it stays at the 9M he will make in 08…
Makes it a 4/36 +Option for a 33YO SS who has hit over OPS+ 100 once and usually in the 80-90 range…
Really, I don’t see why any team would want him longer than 2-3 years from today ~ resigning him to anything more than a 2YR deal at the end of 08 would be a mistake in my mind, and I cant imagine that would be able to be done unless he tanks in 08 (which would make it even less logical to offer the extension in the first place)
Getting ERent for 2 yrs at an annual avg 8.5 seems much better than OC and extending him to a deal which would cover the next 4-5 years at more money. That means “we should be able to extend him” is hurtful, not beneficial, and Renterias 2Yrs seems much more logical…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 21, 2007 at 05:33 PM
What the deuce??
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | February 24, 2008 at 01:46 PM
I concur. What the deuce??
Posted by: millenniumphalcon | February 24, 2008 at 01:57 PM
Tim I think you made a mistake- don't mean to sound like a jerk-
"With Orlando Cabrera in house, the White Sox now have an extra shortstop in Juan Uribe. They'd like to clear his $4.5MM salary to create more room for Torii Hunter."
Posted by: hawkeyes12990 | February 24, 2008 at 01:58 PM
Where's the feet?
Posted by: Bank Street Grounds | February 24, 2008 at 01:58 PM
whats going on? I just realized this isn't a new post. sorry about the post i just posted.
Posted by: hawkeyes12990 | February 24, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Uhm, Tim, are you alright? Has your site been compromised again? Gee wiz.
Posted by: NYs Maine Man | February 24, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Looks like we're re-living November 20th. Haha!
Posted by: NYs Maine Man | February 24, 2008 at 02:25 PM
The Miguel Cabrera rumors are back. I hope the Santana rumors don't come back next!
Posted by: millenniumphalcon | February 24, 2008 at 02:26 PM
LOL, so true! I dn't wanna go through that again!
Posted by: NYs Maine Man | February 24, 2008 at 02:27 PM
The Cubs might want him? Ryan Theriot would be a better choice for SS even with one arm tied behind his back. You can fit about three Theriots in Uribe.
Posted by: TheGrinch | February 24, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Whoa! Interesting little bit of time travel here.
Posted by: Dalkowski110 | February 24, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Hi everyone,
The site is having technical difficulties, we are working hard to restore the posts. Also I'm not available via email at this time. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Tim
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | February 24, 2008 at 02:39 PM
i read this post like 5 times before i looked at the date, then i was like.. oooooh.
Posted by: HouseThatTeahenBuilt | February 24, 2008 at 02:41 PM
FYI-
Brad Lidge needs surgery, out 4-6 weeks. Most likely will be back by start of year, or soon after. Some other blogs and foxsports have it.
Posted by: NYs Maine Man | February 24, 2008 at 03:38 PM
*pitches a tent, lights a fire, and camps out until MLBTR returns*
Posted by: brianrein | February 24, 2008 at 04:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3262747
Colon is going to the Red Sox. Kind of a suprise move!
Posted by: iowacubbie4life | February 24, 2008 at 04:45 PM
not that shocking iowacubbie4life, he is the best free agent available, even with all the baggage and risk, he is a cy young award winner after all. this really only makes the crisp situation that much more confusing though really.
nice find iowacubbie4life, good detective work
Posted by: 04Forever | February 24, 2008 at 06:22 PM
"he is a cy young award winner after all"
Which he didn't deserve. Hell Jon Garland got a vote that year, a bad session for the BBWAA all around.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | February 24, 2008 at 07:02 PM
well, it doesnt change the fact that he won no matter what you feel about it
Posted by: 04Forever | February 24, 2008 at 07:08 PM
I'm not surprised by Colon to Boston either, but how does it make Crisp's situation more confusing? Just curious....
On a side-note: anyone know a good Knicks site? (WOW, "good" and "Knicks" in the same sentence lol)
Posted by: maximumpotential | February 24, 2008 at 07:12 PM
well, that really was the only position that the sox left blank. i thought, they would try crisp for the first week in the spring training games and if he didnt pan out like people thought, he would be traded for someone like blanton or something, but thats out now. so what do you trade crisp for now? a bullpen arm? we dont really need that unless we got a righty setup guy, but i cant think of anyone that fits that. i mean, what do you trade for now? crisp will not be a happy camper if he is still a sox player and not the opening day center
Posted by: 04Forever | February 24, 2008 at 07:20 PM
i guess if its anything its crisp for prospects now...
Posted by: 04Forever | February 24, 2008 at 07:23 PM
this just in... Ruth to the Yanks? why would he want to go to those losers?
Posted by: CubFanRaysaddict | February 24, 2008 at 07:31 PM
04Forever:
Stret for Crisp, Lowrie, Masterson or McLaren seem like too much?
Posted by: maximumpotential | February 25, 2008 at 02:26 AM
Street
Posted by: maximumpotential | February 25, 2008 at 02:26 AM