Needs and Luxuries: Chicago White Sox

LOL! Frofton, I love it

How about signing Alexei Ramirez to play center field. I haven't read one bad thing about the guy. He can run like a gazelle, has great on base skills, won't embarrass you on defense and has the same agent as Contreras. I see great fit for him. A potential sleeper score for a GM that thrives on that sort of thing.

lol, yes, you'd love that wouldn't you "BrewerDominance"...

I think at this point Fields has a lot more value than Crede anyway.

Winn to the ChiSox, I wish. The Giants desperately need to trade an OF. However Winn has a limited no-trade clause, and from what I've heard is that he has blocked trades to all central division teams. Want Dave Roberts instead? HAHAHA

Roberts for Crede....right on zito4cyyoung

Why would the Giants give up anything for Joe Crede when they could just re-sign Pedro Feliz and get the same player without giving up any talent?

If the WhiteSox want Randy Winn then it will take Paul Koenerko not Joe Crede. The WhiteSox Could then move Fields to 1B and fill their CF hole with Winn. If Winn ain't enough by himself we could add a pitching prospect or an outfield prospect.

CF- JERRY OWENS

I fear our back rotation ain't gonna progress much '08 either, Floyd, what did Williams see in that guy Danks, shows some potential

simple as that, I liked Jerry Owens out there, he did pretty solid 2nd half, I know we ain't gonna be to much in contention, so, i hate to say but..... the sox really need to re-think things and start rebuilding, im gonna dislike them for a few years with how bad they'll be but.... im a fan, i'll stick with em
let them rot into the line-up

young develope

and there ain't NOOOO way you guys gettin Konerko
no way
we can't move Fields to 1B
if we get rid of Crede then who will play 3rd? THAT WILL BE SOLID!
and dont say Ozuna

Needs:

A new general manager, a new manager.

Sucksatlife:

Stick to commenting on Red Sox rumors please.

zito4cyyoung,

Sorry, but you are wrong about our payroll. Even after signing Rowand we are still $18.5M away from $90M

Zito - $14.5M
Rowand - $12M
Winn - $8M
Durham - $7.5M
Roberts - $6.5M
Molina - $6M
Aurilia - $4.5M
Lowry - $2.25M
Kline - $1.75M
Cain - $1.25M
Walker - $0.75M
3 1st Yr Arbs - $2.1M
(Hennessey, Correia, Chulk)
11 Pre Arbs - $4.4M
Total of Just $71.5M

ChicagoWhiteSoxFan,

You are keeping Crede because nobody wants him. Thus trading Kenerko for Winn yields you Fields at 1B, Crede at 3B, and Winn in CF which is a hell of alot better team then you have with your current crop of garbage in CF and Fields forced to play LF because you have not moved Crede.

rainman,

you've forgotten about the deferred money still owed to players. I know Bonds is getting somewhere around 5 million deferred this year. I'm not sure of the other payments but we are closer to $90 MM than you might think.

SDSUAztec,

Defered money has not been part of the Giants $90M Salary Budget for the last 5 years (it has been part of the debt service budget just like the stadium) and I see no reason to believe it will start being part of the $90M Salary Budget now.

ginandtacos.com ,

Never said just Winn, always expected to need to sweeten the deal with prospects.

ginandtacos.com,

With regards to Crede's near gold gloves, Pedro can claim the same and you can look up an defensive matrix you want and you will find that Pedro has been MLB's best defensive 3B for the last three years and Crede really ain't even close.

OH, and that frofton idea might not be a bad one, but lofton is getting old, and I would like to get younger. How about Crede for Figgins. That would fill our leadoff role, stealing the angels 1-2 hitters this offseason. And for the Angels, Crede would be low risk, high reward for them. They have Aybar,Wood,morales in the waiting in the wings, so figgins should be expendable to them. Crede is healthy agian, brings a gold glove, and has the potenial to put up big numbers, He won the silver slugger award in 06. He also comes through in the postseason, man that guy is clutch.

Pierzynski4Prez,

I can hear the laughter from LA all the way here in SF. No way in hell would the Angels trade Figgens for Crede. The Angels would be downgrading at 3B by doing this.

They need power and Crede will provide that. It is what your team needs and that trade seems fair for both parties. I am realy suprised by you giant fans, I always liked the giants but can't understand your perspective of the game? Crede would add 20 more homers to their lineup, and clutch, impact hitting which they need. You have to realize that Crede was just starting to turn the corner, did you see the 05 playoffs. Crede and in 06 he had 30 homers, and 94 ribbies at the bottom of the order. he did have surgery last year, but is finally healthy agian, and is a sleeper for comeback player of the year award.

Pierzynski4Prez,

The Angels were looking to add infield power when they were trying to trade for Miguel Cabrera. Having failed to get Cabrera they decided to add outfield power instead in the form of Torri Hunter. The Angels have already sent you one top of the order hitter and they are not going to send you another for the limited power upgrade Crede offers at the great cost of the OBP and speed that Figgens offers.

Wake up and join the real world. Crede ain't worth any more then Pedro Feliz who is available on the free agent market and costs whomever signs him nothing in trade of draft choices.

PIERZYNSKI 4 PREZ--
To say that it would take Lincecum or Cain to get Konerko is ridiculous. He is coming off his worse season since 2003. His numbers were down all across the board. 4 straight years of 100+ strikeouts, declining HR total since 2004, and thus his value is at its lowest.

giantsrainman--
Crede and Feliz are close to the same type of players. Crede has some similiar numbers as Feliz, but has a higher OBP, OPS, and SLG. Crede would benefit the club until Villalona or another 3B comes this way. Plus he is a right handed hitter, which besides Bonds as a lefty, are the only hitters that can provide power.
If Feliz resigns, its going to be another 2-3yrs of swinging at bad pitches and keeping his terrible hitting stats. Crede will be slightly cheaper since he is in his last year of arbitration and missed almost all of last year.

giansrainman-

What is your problem with Crede, did he f*** your bit** or something. you will be suprised next season when he lights it up. If Joe Crede's trade value is as low as you say it is, we might as well keep him because he is an valuable asset weather you realize it or not.

SDSU Aztec

You are the ignorant one who can't even elaborate as to why I am ignorant. The defenition of ignorant is lacking knowledge, and it is quite odvious that you that any intelectual thing to say about baseball, only your biased opinion that makes you mad to call me ignorant, which odviously you are.

/\ im glad im not the only one here that realizes Winn is a 4th OF

If Crede is so valuable, why are you White Sox fans so eager to get rid of him? If Crede is so great, why has KW refused to extend his contract? If he is healthy, why don't you pay him and move Fields to left. Fields is a butcher at third base.

but then again, why pay dave roberts a few million when you can get the same production out of jerry owens (not saying its very good) for near league minimum?

Note to Giants fans, both here and on the White Sox message board (if you are, in fact, different groups of people):

1. You're not getting Konerko. He isn't on the block, and the only way the Sox would even consider trading him is in some kind of 3-way deal that landed them Bedard.

2. The Sox aren't interested in Dave Roberts, period. He's not any better than the collection of AAA guys the Sox have now.

Geez...White Sox fans, Stop, Step away from the keyboard, and take a breath.

Realize, this is just a message board. People suggest trades all the time. Stop with the internet "tough talk".

Feliz and Crede are very similiar. Neither is GREATER than the other. Feliz beat David Wright in all major stats and should have won the GG. Since becoming a full time player, he hasn't hit under 20 HRs and always hovers around 80 RBI's.

Crede had one year batting .285 and 30 HRs. A fine year yes! Whether or not he could repeat remains to be seen. Crede is a great defensive 3B also.

The better move for the Giants would be Edwinn Encarnacion from the Reds.

a lot of the sox fans here value crede way more than they should because he was arguably the MVP of the world series. so there is that love for him that cant be let go. Crede isnt much better than pedro feliz, but then again, crede played in the AL Central, so a move to the NL could make him that much better.
Cold Golden-
i hope you are wrong with that platoon idea, because that would be AWFUL and would stunt both fields and Quentin's growth. fields proved last year he is ready to play full time, so cutting down on his AB's would make him only get worse. Quentin also needs the AB's to prove whether he can play or not.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. Danks-Yes/Floyd-No
5. No
6. Yes

In re: Crede vs Feliz, I think both sides need to back down a little.

On offense, there's no question Crede is the better bet for 2008, despite his punk 2007, given age and past performance. He's not a good hitter, but he's better than Feliz.

On defense, Crede's above-average, but the better defensive metrics have Feliz as perhaps the best 3B in the game the last few years.

I am no fan of Feliz at the plate, where his ineffectual hacking erases his value as a defender. However, if you can get him cheap, that defense turns him into a league-average package. Crede's value is dependent on his offense returning to merely mediocre levels.

As for Konerko, he's definitely a good hitter and signed below-market for two years. That's a worthwhile commodity. He does, however, do it at 1B, which is the single least-demanding defensive position, and he did have an off-year in 2007. I doubt I'd trade him off my team, but for a good package, I would -- he's not Pujols and he's certainly not A-Rod.

Why won't the Sox sign Crede to an extension? Um, Scott Boras is his agent. Reinsdorf does not deal with Boras, period.

It's nice to field questions like this from novice baseball fans.

I think Konerko would be more valuable if he had more hair. That bald spot makes him look a lot older than he really is.

All baseball players go bald early...

That's what happens when you wear a cap everyday.

futureprospect and chicagowhitesoxfan seem to be 10 year old brothers....
cant catch the slightest bit of sarcasm.

Does something like Joe Crede, Brian Anderson, Nick Massett, and Andy Sisco to the Marlins for Scott Olsen and Rick Vanden Hurk make sense? The Marlins fill out their offense with Crede replacing Miguel Cabrera at 3B, and gives them a solid, still some-what cheap young INF (Crede, Hanley, Uggla, Jacobs/Ross), to go along with an exciting young OF (Hermida, Anderson or Maybin if he's ready, and Willingham, to go along with Mike Rabelo and Matt Treanor at catcher and a good bench. They also rid themselves of a talented but troubled young SP who had a variety of legal incidents and anger issues with the team, giving him a fresh start with a new team, and they acquire two very intriuging young arms who could turn into great setup men in the national league if they can put all their talent together. Vanden Hurk is not a huge loss even though he has an interesting arm.

Meanwhile, the White Sox essentially turn in a bunch of spare parts that they didn't need and/or want, and acquire a potential #2/3 SP down the road in Scott Olsen, and although he's risky, perhaps a fresh start will revitalize him and he'll pitch to his potential. Vanden Hurk could be used as AAA insurance of perhaps carried as a long or middle reliever.

Do you guys think something like that would make sense? That's not a real rumor, just picturing trades in my head...

HBan13: An interesting proposal, and pretty fair return for both teams, but the White Sox' best strength in the minors is starting pitching.

I'd see Kenny go with guys like Gio Gonzalez or Lance Broadway in the 4/5 spots before dealing those kind of assets for pitching.

Still, throw in a decent CF and add a good prospect in from the Sox you've got a deal!

its not clear to the random joe fan who doesnt understand that 2005 is over. a good majority of fans last year wanted to trade buehrle and dye to restock. but then there was the other part of the fan base that were calling into talk shows and screaming how they would relinquish their season tix if the sox dealt buehrle.

You should hear the idiots on sports talk radio in Chicago crying about the need for two Outfielders on the White Sox. Carlos Quentin is going to put up big numbers on the Sox. I expect him to OPS .850+. CF is a huge hole, but no reason to have given Torii Hunter 90 mil. The White Sox will have a tough time competing in the AL Central but it will be more on Danks, Contreras, Floyd than the offense. The offense struggled mainly because Thome was hurt and Konerko/Dye had really down years.

Teetz, I agree with you. I wonder why more people, especially KW,isn't looking at that starting rotation and getting a little nervous. If they go with Contrers, Danks and Floyd, it won't matter who is in the outfield.