Tigers Acquire Cabrera, Willis For Six Players

Insane!

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Any word on who the other 3 prospects are?

Monster trade. Tigers were sleeping until now. It seems they are ready to swallow the AL Central.

Unreal. Simply unreal.

is it me or did the Angels have a better offer?

wow.. a monster deal

Miller is going to be absolutely nasty pitching in the NL.

who becomes the worst team in the nl next year ? the marlins , the astros , the pirates , or the nationals . my guess would be the marlins with the pirates right behind them .

HOLY CRAP.

These six players the Marlins are getting -- do they know something we don't?

Also, I have to wonder if and how this affects the Santana deal. MLB-ready players just got a whole lot less interesting, as our chances of winning the Central just went out with the bathwater.

this is probably going to be the biggest trade day in probably the last 5 years, what a friggen day

Marlins fan, can anyone fill me in on Rabelo? How does he compare to Mathis? What do you all think of this deal compared to the proposed Angels deal, from the Marlins perspective? I know his numbers have declined, but it hurts to lose Willis. Loved him. Cabrera was inevitable.

"that is quite the deal but does anyone really think that d-train can handle the al central? i have a tough time believing he can."

It's all about motivation for Dontrelle if you ask me... Now that he is on a legit contender I think he will go back to his old self - like his '05 form...

I think the Tigers just became a "Super Power" and need to be considered in the mix with Boston and New York.

I don't know how well Willis will adjust to the AL, my gut says he could have some success if he gets his stuff together. He'll at least be facing guys who haven't seen him much. And actually being in games that matter may spark something in him. Plus Comerica is a pretty decent pitchers park.

Brutal..
Twins have to get something insane for santana to be competetive

Holy crap on a stick! The Angels really needed to get something done here, their lineup would've looked a whole lot better with Cabrera than without. But this looks like a great deal for both teams...shades of the Beckett deal for Boston/Fla.

This is a steal for the Marlins, anytime you can get 6 for in return, for just 2, that's a great trade.
PFFF... but the 2 players we're talkin about are Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera

I'm trying to make it sound bad for the Tigers cause I'm a little TICKED, that Kenny Williams let this one get away, I mean, considering that Cabrera started out as an outfielder, the White Sox could had gotten Cabrera and used him for the White Sox's "outfield upgrade" keep Crede at 3rd, but then again I dont know if that would had worked out.

I agree that it makes the Twins more likely to trade Sanatana. The tigers should be sick for the next couple of years. That line-up is better than the Yankees.

Over/Under: 1000 runs scored by the Tigers this season?

I was thinkin this for White Sox

C A.J Pierzynski
1B Paul Konerko
2B Juan Uribe/ Danny Richar
3B Joe Crede
LF Miguel Cabrera
CF Jerry Owens
RF Jermaine Dye
DH Jim Thome

that would had been great if the Sox had toke up on Miguel and maybe put him in the oufield

o and SS Orland Cabrera of course

I'm mixed on this trade. As an Angels fan I am disappointed we couldn't get Miggy BUT I am very happy that we didn't do the deal as outlined.

Anyway, isn't this really a 6-1 deal? If Willis continues to trend down (you would expect him to do worse simply by switching leagues) what value does he have to the Tigers? A 5+ ERA isn't attractive on a contending team. Seems like wishful thinking to assume that Willis will be a positive contributor.

Tigers also boost their payrolls this year by about $25m. I know the owner is rich but do the Tigers have the flexibility to absorb this cost? Does this impact their current roster or force additional trades?

All in all, it's very hard to be upset about landing a top 5 player. The Tigers are going to rock next year. What an amazing line-up!

Granderson - CF
Palonco - 2B
Cabrera - 3B
Ordonez - RF
Sheffield - DH
Guillen - 1B
I. Rodriguez - C
Renteria - SS
J. Jones - LF

That lineup is a freakin' joke! And to think, Renteria got traded to just about the only team in all of baseball who has a better #2 hitter than him (Polanco)... Renteria is their 8th place hitter!!!!

Also, how much does this impact KW and the White Sox?

Do you look at retooling now with Cleveland and Detroit so stocked? There are a ton of valuable pieces to trade off and acquire young cheap talent back with.

Unless Cleveland and Detroit totally flop I just don't see the wisdom in posting a $100m+ team salary with older players. Move Konerko, Thome, Dye, etc and start to build a great team for 2009/2010. By then Cleveland will have some expiring contracts and Detroit will look more vulnerable.

Will this prod Williams to immediately throw money at Andruw Jones? And how long will the Red Sox wait to close the Santana deal now?

The big question now is... what AL central team makes a move to try and counter what the Tigers did?

I think the Indians are on the clock in aquiring Bay.

Williams would be making a mistake to suddenly throw the money to Andruw. The meetings aren't over yet, and there is still a lot more offseason to go.

That Tigers lineup is going to drive in some runs. I have to think the White Sox and Indians are a little shell shocked right now. They either need to add a big bat or two or improve their pitching, especially the White Sox.

Now we can get the ball rolling

Santana should be dealt by tonight, Yankees are probably back in it if they were ever really out.

If Detroit can swoop in on Cabrera, I'm not so sure Santana is Boston bound anymore.

Hemingways I TOTALLY agree

freakin them Tigers continuously put together a good team. White Sox should be getting a little nervouse if KENNY WILLIAMS doesn't do something before the start of the season!

None of the 3 pitching prospects are anything spectacular.

They should add good depth toward the middle of the rotation down the road, and the bullpen.

DD has some serious cajones. This one trade could well make or break the franchise for the next 5-10 years

this was better then the angels by far but I would of rather gotten the rumored Dodgers deals. It is interesting though indeed.

My curiousity is could Porcello be a PTBNL in the deal? Did he sign long enough ago?

If so I think the deal becomes Much more interesting for the Fish

Porcello won't be eligible to trade for awhile, and no. But it's still better than the Angels offer.

Does this give the Marlins any money to work with or will they be going into 2008 like 2006?

Porcello won't be eligible to trade for awhile, and no. But it's still better than the Angels offer.

Does this give the Marlins any money to work with or will they be going into 2008 like 2006?

Let's not hand the Tigers the World Series Trophy just yet. The games are played in the field, not in the headlines in December. Heck if they were, the Cubs would have won it all this season. :D

This is quite a risky move for the Tigers. They quite literally gave the farm and if they can't re-sign these guys or one has a Jennings-like injury this deal could collapse in their faces.

Also, before we all go out and cry about Kenny Williams ineptitude, this was a rumored offer for a player that the Sox really don't need and didn't have the prospects to make that kind of trade anyway.

That won't stop Cub fans and Mariotti ripping on him, but he has a job to do and a plan to follow and the Sox holes will get filled when it all said and done.

The Sox are better off keeping Fields and Danks at this point and they can always sign Cabrera in his FA year.

Gagne back to the Rangers is being reported on ESPNradio right now...

"I hate the marlins...This just pisses me off detroit is ranked what in the last 5 in prospects and the angels are in the top 5? bullshit.. we had the best offer for proven howie kendrick proven jeff mathis proven Ervin santana and we just couldnt put Nick adenhart in there but we could have worked it out..f**kin bullcrap marlins..you are now my least favorite team even worse then yankees redsox"

Jeff Mathis sucks thats why he is your back up catcher. Santana did horrible last year worse than Dontrelle! Kendrick is no where near as good as Maybin or Miller. The Marlins just got 4 pitchers, 1 elite OF prospect, and a good catcher thats better than Mathis. You guys were offering us Kendrick (who we don't need with Uggla), Santana OR Adenhart (Not even close to Andrew Miller), Mathis (probably going to be DFA in the next year or 2), and thats it. The 4th player was going to be Reggie Willits?!?!? Nothing closer to Cameron Maybin. The Marlins just set themselves with pitching for the next 10 years. With these additions the Marlins could slow down with the rushing of Volstad and many other of their pitchers.

proven jeff mathis proven Ervin santana

proven crappy doesnt = proven good

You offered a nice 2B that has been talked about perhaps having to move from 2B to 1st Base by your own media that cant take a walk for his life.

A catching prospect that could be considered a potential bust.

A question mark Pitcher that had over a 8 ERA away from his home park and is entering his Arby years already

And arguing about letting us get a potential number 2 type pitcher.

Oh and your system is not top 5 in baseball anymore.

i dont even know if the sox can do anything now to compete at all in the central

does anyone think the sox can do anything to compete in the central

If you really want to see a sick Tigers lineup, what would happen if manager Jim Leyland were to get his old buddy Bonds to sign with Detroit, and they were to make Jones the 4th OFer and have Sheffield and Bonds switch off as LF/DH. That would take that lineup (that is already awesome) to a whole next level.

White Sox are done for the next couple years. Start rebuilding now, looks like that Buehrle signing was a bad idea. Think of what you could have now for him.

"Imagine facing Cabrera, Bonds, and Ordonez in a row. That only happens in all star games."

Or in Strat-O-Matic games...lol.

Actually, the Bonds idea is pretty intriguing. He's better off in the AL at this point, anyway, and you're right, he and Sheffield could trade off at DH/LF, though Sheffield is probably better suited to play out there more often.

Detroit could offer Bonds a one or two year deal for a sick amount of cheddar, and have a lineup that stacks right up with Boston's or the Yankees'.

Don't forget to include Sheffield in that Miggy/Bonds/Mags sandwich...he's still a heck of a power/OB% combo, even at his age.

According to last year's lineup the '08 lineup would be...
Granderson, CF
Polanco, 2B
Cabrera, 3B
Ordonez, RF
Sheffield, DH
Guillen, 1B
Renteria, SS
Rodriguez, C
Thames/Jones, LF

People are forgetting that the Tigers Verlander, Bonderman, Rogers, Robertson, and Miner/Maroth was the best rotation in all of baseball in '06.

That BP article was funny. I didn't realize that Willis was a victim of bad luck. Seems like every game he pitched in something went wrong.

Mainly, him pitching.

His ERA has risen a run and a half every year for the past 2 years. His WHIP from last year was 1.60.

To call Willis a 2/3 starter is absurd. Detroit would be wise to spin him off, save $10m, and acquire someone they can break in with the #5 spot in the rotation.

darkstar1661,

It's nice to see somebody do the necessary research before making a post. That being said...

Yeah the Tigers gave up a lot. But the only real talent they gave up was in Miller and Maybin. The other guys were never gonna make a significant impact at any point.

The Tigers may have given up two future stars, but at this point they can be sure that they will have one superstar at age 24 and most likely through his prime. While he is still not quite the superstar of, say Pujols, the Tigers are guaranteed to have a perennial All-Star/MVP candidate in their lineup. He has averaged 158 games a season since becoming a full time major league player, so durability is the least of concerns. Also, there is no such thing as overkill in a lineup. You can never have too much offense.

And while Willis had an awful 2007, it is unfair to judge him based on that one year and declare him done. His walk rate and home run rate spiked, and at that age, last season was most likely a fluke. He is still only 25, and has shown one season of dominance, and has been at least league average in two others. I'm not saying he will return to Cy Young form in Detroit, but I do think he will post a sub-5 ERA.

Realistically, what pitcher do you siggest they get to help the rotation? Santana? Bedard? Haren? The asking price on them is through the roof.

The market for pitching right now is insane. Think about what has been offered for Santana. Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, AND Ian Kennedy. That two great pitching prospects and another solid outfielder for one pitcher that would also require a 150+ million commitment. And with so much being given up for Santana, you can only imagine the Orioles will ask the world for Bedard.

The Tigers played the market and got the best player that was available to them, in addition to a guy who is two years off from a Cy Young caliber season. Things could work out very well for the Tigers.

Marcus Thames and Brandon Inge are still on the block, so we will have to see if the Tigers can get anything in return for them...

I love it I love it.

2 year window for a championship starts now ...

How sick is the AL?!?!

Dombrowski has to address the bulley now ... I'm very happy with the starters (I would definately go to war with Verlander, Willis, Bonderman, Rogers in a playoff series), and of course the offence now should be the best in MLB ... but there are still big Q's in the pen - What kind of quality bullpen help for Thames and/or Inge?