Yankees Still Discussing Santana

the yankees have to be the most stupidest team ever how are they going to trade mussina and matsui then theyu go after santana they have toget santana first then trade the rest. now lets say they trade mussina and matsui and at the time santana is traded they will get messed up

If the Yanks get Santana, would the Red Sox go after someone like Bedard to even it out??

I agree nrmax, haha..

I don't know how they'd get "messed up"... Matsui is ok with going to San Fran where they're talking about trading him for the last few weeks.. and I doubt Mussina would mind going to Washington (where they were talking about sending him).. I love Moose but he's declining - he pitches well against young teams, but patient hitters hit him all over the park.. and Matsui is a great clutch hitter and i'd rather keep him, and if we get Santana and have to give up Melky and we give up Matsui - we're going to need either a LF or a CF to replace him...

I don't know about anyother yankee fans, but im not to worried about a rotation like this:

Santana
Wang
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Kennedy

-Hey who knows, maybe Igawa will figure out how to pitch in the states, lol.. stranger things have happened.. I just don't know who'd we get to play Center if Damon is in left, or left if Damon is in center? Resign Doug and have Shelley Duncan out in left? Or one of the kids?

The Orioles have already said they "will not trade Bedard within the division" kinda like Dontrelle and the fish...

I don't know why everyone goes nuts when a negotiating party makes a "deadline"... Do any of you negotiate in real life? I know plenty of Businessmen (successful businessmen) that take deadlines off the table after they put them on... no deal in business is ever "done", until the deal is made with another entity.. calm down - holy christ.

Yeah, it isnt the deadlines really, it is just that he makes these deadlines with no intent of sticking to them at all. He is making himself look like a fool a lot in his first couple months at the helm.

Hey, im not saying that Hank is a genius, lol...

But I have been at the table of a few high level negotiations, and watched people walk out of the room and saying "this is my final offer" and then go back and change it, lol... these are HUGE dollar deals as well...

He has gone back on 2 deadlines but think of it... the one with Arod, he got his terms.. did he give out WAY TO MUCH MONEY, lol yes... but he did it without Boras, and Arod did give up the 21 mill, that we lost from Texas... if you think about the original offer that was out before he opt'ed out - it's a bit less then that...

With this deadline, if we get Santana without giving up Hughes/Kennedy - then that's a win in itself. Deadlines might not have to be met, but discussing things on your terms do. If he gives up the farm + the deadline crap, then yes... then he's made a fool of..

hopefully for Yankee fans, he puts a deadline on a player that we don't wanna give up but he does, and he actually sticks to that one, because they think he's bs'ing...

but, I do agree with him when he says... whether it's Hughes or Santana.. im not necessarily worried - we are in a win/win situation as long as he doesn't give up the farm.

Hell who knows? If Hughes blossoms, maybe he'll resign after the Twins can't afford him, lol

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They trade Mussina for the salary relief and could get one prospect. Like the Edmonds trade. They trade Matsui for prospects and they use the one in the mussina trade and the ones in the Matsui trade along with their own to get Santana. Damon goes too left and Melky plays CF.

haha and who said the Yankee-Red Sox rivarly was dead after 2003?? lol

Braves.. that wouldn't be bad.. but, the Giants who are the ones interested in Matsui were offering to MLB ready relief guys.. not prospects... I know they were talking Moose to washington (the NL probably would really help Moose inch toward 300) might get us some prospects, but I didn't think Wash really had any good ones? None that could take the place of Melky... He might be overrated by Yankee fans, but he's come up huge for us and he's still damn young.

Do you think they'd give up Lastings Milledge? Didn't they just trade to get him? I don't think they'd have given up those 2 players if they didn't wanna hold onto him..

arcthelad, are you kidding me? Play it how you want, but Cashman said straight up, flat out, no if's and's or but's, that if A-Rod opted out, the Yankee WOULD NOT, I repeat WOULD NOT, one more time they WOULD NOT attempt to re-sign him. A-rod opts out, a couple days later signs the biggest contract in the history of baseball with the same team that said with no gray area that they WOULD NOT bring him back under any circumstances if he opted out.

Casper
SF has 7 OF that had over 100 at bats last year. Its highly unlikey with the signing of Rowand even though they need power. If he were traded to the SF it would be for Noah Lowry, and Jonathan Sanchez or Kevin Correia and maybe a OF such as Raiji Davis or Fred Lewis. This would be asking for alot. The Giants would only consider this if the Yanks pay half or 3/4 of the contract. If they only pay less than that expect Lowry and sanchez. Nats also have too many outfielders. I Could see Matsui too the Mets in which they move Alou to right and have Church as their 4 OF. Also could see Mussina thier in replace of Glavine. Don't know if that would be a upgrade though.

It doesn't matter how much money they gave him. Hank and the Yanks said they would not negotiate with or make an attempt to re-sign A-Rod if he opted out. They did negotiate with him, and re-signed him. It's that simple.

And, also, the deal could be worth $305 million. Right now, I think most people would say A-Rod is a pretty good bet to hit those performances, so in the end they probably won't save any money at all.

Those who feel that Hank handled the arod opt out situation well and that Arod wanted to be a yankee all along are sadly mistaken

AROD - spins it that it was just a misunderstanding. In reality he was a Free Agent for a couple of weeks and exactly ZERO teams bid on his services so he came crawling back to the yanks because he knew they would quickly go back on their word AGAIN and drastically overpay for him. Then he spins this good cop/bad cop B.S. with Boras.

The idiot son HANK (Fredo Corleone) STEINBRENNER - Gives him the biggest contract in history when no one else even made an offer. Idiot Hank overpayed by ~$100 Million and 2 years. It's not like anyone else was bidding on the guy. Why give him 275 mil guaranteed when he disrespected your repeated warnings/requests not to opt out?

A smart team/owner wouldv'e held his feet to the fire and make him a) TRULY concede the 22 million they lost after he opted out and then (Arod will cost 91 million the next 3 years alone when he wouldv'e cost the yanks about 55 mill had he not opted out) b) essentially force him to sign a "bargain" contract. They couldv'e had him at ~175 mill for 8 years with team options for a 9th and 10th year because he was at a point with no recourse - with ZERO offers on the table elsewhere and a P.R. nightmare on his hands. He read all the stories about how he was cowardly for leaving NY. He would've been called the guy who "Couldn't make it in NY" the rest of his career if he signed elsewhere and he knew it - which is half the reason he came crawling back - The other half being, again, No other teams even came close to making an offer!.

After the stories "leaked" that arod was going around Boras (yeah right) and truly wanted to be a yankee, Hank had all the negotiating leverage in the world and didn't even come close to using it to the yanks advantage. The fact that Hank paid him a guarenteed 275 mill when there was no other offer makes him an even bigger buffoon than Tom Hicks who gave Arod 252 mill in 2000. At least in 2000 there was another offer on the table, albeit for only 150 million. In 2007 Hank gave him 275 mill with the second place offer being ZERO. Nice Job Hank!

Hank Steinbrenner and Arod are pathetic MORONS.

but how much money did they make? they make A LOT of money from merchandise and ticket sales, and of course from their own tv station. they make money, they spend money, it makes sense. if they weren't out getting all these huge players with huge salaries, people would be complaining that they are just hoarding all the profit. so yeah.

anyways, i don't think the twins will settle for anything the yankees have offerred so far. i mean it would have to be hughes, cabrera, austin jackson, and probably another pitching prospect. or just cano and kennedy.

to the comment about arod and the yankees signing him.the yankees did go back on their word but thought they would lose the texas money.they were going to offer 5/150 for 30 million a year and now he is getting 27.5 million but who cares.arod will bring in 450 million dollars of extra money for the yankees over the next 10 years according to economic experts so not one penny will come out of the yankees pocket for the entire lenght of the contract with around 20 million dollars left over and that includes the luxury tax so arod isn actually making the yankees money,it is like having arod for ten years for free.