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After letting Barry Zito walk last year and trading Danny Haren in December, the A's appear to be entertaining offers for Joe Blanton. While the Reds and the Dodgers appear to be the most aggressive suitors, Ken Rosenthal speculated that Blanton would be a good fit for the Twins or the Rays and Buster Olney named several other clubs that could be interested in acquiring the right-hander. Blanton, 27, is still three years from free agency, and will make $3.7MM this season. With pitchers and catchers due to report this week, let's take a look at reactions to the Blanton rumors from the blogosphere.
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"This off-season, the Oakland A's are once again reaffirming their position as the AAAA minor league system for starting pitchers."
- A very poorly thought out comment, and very rude. Oakland is a rebuilding team and is dealing other players besides their pitchers. Your statement doesn't even make sense, Blanton, Haren, and Zito were all good quality ML pitchers, not AAAA at all. This is a poorly written article and very offensive. I am a fan of Oakland, but I am a bigger fan of KC and I know what it's like for your team to be called a farm system by ignorant national beat writers who call themselves fans but really only root for the Cubs or Yankees and don't understand the economics of baseball at all. Please do not make comments like this again.
Posted by: HouseThatTeahenBuilt | February 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM
The comment was only meant to emphasize the A's willingness to develop pitchers and move them just prior to when those pitchers are expected to enter their prime. this is something that is not new to Billy Beane and the organization, going back to
Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder.
that being said, the comment has been removed.
Posted by: The Professor | February 12, 2008 at 11:10 AM
That comment also assumes that the plan hasn't worked for Oakland. How is that "investment" in Zito paying off for the Giants? How did Mulder do for the Cardinals? Hudson's only good year with the Braves was last year. The point is that it's assumed that keeping your pitchers for hundreds of millions of dollars, when, in fact, not resigning pitchers or trading them at their peak value is probably the best move.
Posted by: brenarlo | February 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I'm offended by your submission and editting to appease his being offended. Now appease me and submit damn it, by putting it back.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | February 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Billy Beane is a used car salesman. Anythings he sells will break down two days after it leaves the lott. He is a smart man though. He really has a good understanding of value and player production as it relates to age.
On a side note:
I hope the Reds don't trade any of their young studs. They can't afford to lose position player depth. Stay with a young solid Core.
Posted by: coolpapabell | February 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I REALLY hope the Reds get Blanton -- as a Brewer fan, that is. Blanton is an overrated product of a pitcher's park. Put him in Cincy and I have no doubt he'd post an ERA over 5.00. Beane is going to make a killing on this trade, the way things are sounding.
Posted by: MrQuestions | February 12, 2008 at 12:13 PM
It will be interesting to see how Haren does this year since Mulder,Hudson and Zito have all dissapointed since being traded from Oakland.
I think Haren is the real deal but Blanton I would see as most likely a middle of the rotation innings eater. There's nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't give up the farm for it.
And, I think the Reds would be foolish to trade for him because they are really too far away from making the playoffs even with him. They should keep their excellent young talent and sign a couple of FA's next year.
Posted by: Blutarski | February 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Tim, you and your staff do a great job with MLBTR.
I'm curious as to your reasoning/philosophy on one type of attribution that you use:
At times, I think that it can be a little bit misleading to represent an entire team blog's opinions on an issue with the thoughts of one front page writer.
Often on MLBTR, I'll read something like "AthleticsNation/McCoveyChronicles/Team Blog X thinks that _______ for ______ wouldn't be a good deal."
This, to me, is a little bit misleading for your readership. Sometimes the article you link to ends up being written by a front-page writer (who are sometimes, but not always, the most knowledgeable sources on the site about their team), and sometimes the comment section of the diary you link to ends up refuting what was presented.
Point being, the text that MLBTR has written surrounding the link is at times deceptive or misleading, because it implies that the entire team site, or at least the majority of its fans, are advocating that move.
I'm sure of an easy fix to this; I know you don't have time to read every comment or recommended diary on every team blog. Perhaps mention the front page writer's name?
It IS accurate to write, "Grant of McCoveyChronicles writes that the Giants haven't addressed any of the needs he wanted them to at the start of the season."
It would be less accurate to say, "McCoveyChronicles is pushing for the Giants to trade ______ for _____"...because the entire site isn't pushing for it.
Again, thank you for what you do - the site is terrific.
Posted by: notsellingjeans | February 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Just to clarify...I (Cork) have taken over the "Baseball Blogs Weigh In" feature.
This is an excellent point that you bring up and one that I have struggled with here and on my own site (Rays Index). there are two arguments here: 1) many blogs have more than one writer and each writer has their own point-of-view and that should be conveyed. 2) all writers at one particular site represent that site and one writer's opinion does represent a point-of-view presented by that site.
It is difficult for me to determine on every single blog that i read if there is one writer or more than one. If I say "one writer at BLOG X thinks Y" on every link it is misleading if the blog has only one writer.
in the end I tend to lean ever so slightly towards the "One Blog" concept and that all words on the site are representative of the blog.
I always look to see if there is more than one recent post on a topic and if so I read them to determine the most relevant. If there was a dissenting point of view on the topic on that blog I would take that under consideration and in that case I would probably note both sides.
Posted by: The Professor | February 12, 2008 at 12:57 PM
The Blanton weigh in. I like it.
I wish they would just trade this guy-is he really worth all this rumor talk? Santana and Bedard certainly are, but Blanton is just a decent pitcher.
For the Reds sake, I hope Bailey is not involved in this trade at all. I also think moving Votto is highly unlikely unless the Reds feel he cant play 1B. I think Encarnacion is ready to have some great years here so 3B for Votto is not an option.
Why all the hate on Beane? You can't blame him for Mulder getting hurt. He took a gamble and traded a top LHP for a great prospect and two middle relievers, and his gamble paid off. On the flip side Tim Hudson for top prospect Dan Meyer went the opposite direction for him.
The Reds have traded with the A's in the past, and in my opinion have gotten the better half of the bargain every time.
Posted by: FamousGrouse | February 12, 2008 at 01:20 PM
"Billy Beane is a used car salesman. Anythings he sells will break down two days after it leaves the lott. He is a smart man though. He really has a good understanding of value and player production as it relates to age."
More like:
- He has a good idea of how that park overrates pitchers.
- He has a good idea of how to continually flip a few lucky break outs into future break outs.
- He has a good idea of how to cover up terrible trades, draft picks and free agent signings by having a book written giving him credit for an approach that's been around since the 70s.
Posted by: bsox21 | February 12, 2008 at 01:43 PM
""This off-season, the Oakland A's are once again reaffirming their position as the AAAA minor league system for starting pitchers."
- A very poorly thought out comment, and very rude. Oakland is a rebuilding team and is dealing other players besides their pitchers. Your statement doesn't even make sense, Blanton, Haren, and Zito were all good quality ML pitchers, not AAAA at all. This is a poorly written article and very offensive. I am a fan of Oakland, but I am a bigger fan of KC and I know what it's like for your team to be called a farm system by ignorant national beat writers who call themselves fans but really only root for the Cubs or Yankees and don't understand the economics of baseball at all. Please do not make comments like this again"
I have an idea. Cry me a fucking river.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 12, 2008 at 02:39 PM
"I REALLY hope the Reds get Blanton -- as a Brewer fan, that is. Blanton is an overrated product of a pitcher's park. Put him in Cincy and I have no doubt he'd post an ERA over 5.00. Beane is going to make a killing on this trade, the way things are sounding."
Agreed, and I am so glad that the Mets are no longer in this sweepstakes for him. That was my favorite part of getting Santana, no Blanton.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 12, 2008 at 02:41 PM
The weird thing here is that Blanton has managed to develop this trade value, through doing almost nothing special. He's pitched like a 3/4 starter in the 2 spot in the Athletics' rotation, so he's being marketed like a #2 starter. He doesn't strike out a lot of guys, and they bat .271 against him.
He is also a very good example of how pitchers in Oakland have enhanced their value thanks to the park they pitch in. Blantons career home/road splits:
Home: 22-15, 3.48 ERA, 250 BAA
Road: 20-19, 4.70 ERA, 292 BAA
I didn't cherry pick any numbers, his numbers are better at home across the board.
He clearly benefits from pitching at home, and has clearly enhanced his trade value because of it. He should be seen as a good workhorse #3. Instead he's being marketed as a solid #2 and its working. He should be worth one top prospect, one good prospect and one guy from the lower levels. It appears he'll net 2 top prospects and a third good prospect instead. That is called nearly a whole league being dumb I guess.
Posted by: scribbletone | February 12, 2008 at 06:20 PM
scribbletone: don't most pitchers pitch better at their home park (on average)? seems pretty obvious to me.
Find me another pitcher who hurled 230+innings, 20+ Quality Starts, w/ 1.22 WHIP (or lower) - Nevermind, I found only 3: CC Sabathia, Aaron Harang, and Brandon Webb.
Blanton is a Top30 Starter in all of baseball. He's worth Two - Top100 Minor League prospects + another lower level prospect... All Propects are RISKY. Joe Blanton is not Risky.
Posted by: jpkinney7 | February 12, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Uhh you're argument isn't as strong because its showing only one years worth of numbers and sort of cherry picks numbers because overall his numbers aren't terribly impressive. Mine was showing a three year span and clearly shows that he benefits from pitching in Oakland. Even if a pitcher just feels more comfortable with the crowd, that would not make a 1.22 difference in his ERA home/road splits. I seriously doubt he's a top 30 pitcher. Lets think about this: Beckett, Sabathia, Carmona, Wang, Verlander, Peavy, Lackey, C. Zambrano, Webb, Escobar, Francis, Halladay, Hudson, Penny, Harang, Pettitte, Vazquez, Santana, Haren, Hamels, Matsuzaka, Smoltz, Oswalt, Felix Hernandez, Bedard, Kazmir, Cain, Buehrle, Shields, Billingsley, Weaver, McGowan, Rich Hill, Gorzelanny, Snell, Sheets, Wainwright, Burnett. And there's a bunch of young guys that could very well be much better as well: Lincecum, Gallardo, Bonderman, Garza, Danks. Okay I'm getting bored of listing guys. There are a great deal of pitchers that are better than Blanton. More than I listed.
Posted by: scribbletone | February 12, 2008 at 08:07 PM
McGowan? Snell, Gorzelanny have only had one year of success, but might be better later on. Pettitte is on his way down so he shouldn't be in there. I don't think Blanton is a top 30 pitcher, but he is a consistent one that will always give you a strong outing every time out. I think he would be better off going to the Rays where he can eat up some innings for there young guns. But the thing i don't get is why everyone wants something for nothing. They want a good pitcher, but they don't want to give anything up. I agree that Bailey/Cueto AND Votto is a lot, but one of them should be involved in the deal.
Posted by: ebradley17 | February 12, 2008 at 08:29 PM
You know what would be awesome? If there were such things as park adjusted numbers.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | February 12, 2008 at 08:39 PM
The Reds shouldn't trade Cueto or Votto straight up for Blanton. Maybe Homer and a mid-level prospect, but Cueto will be better than Blanton by the end of this year and make 3.5M less.
Posted by: redleg16 | February 12, 2008 at 08:50 PM
nice posts scribbletone.
Posted by: MrQuestions | February 12, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Cueto could be better yes but he could also be Salomon Torres circa 1993. Your trading the potential of an unknown quantity for the proven track record of an established major leaguer. BTW how did Chris Gruler, David Espinosa, Gookie Dawkins, and Ryan Wagner work out for you guys?
Posted by: AthleticsReign | February 12, 2008 at 09:59 PM
sribbletone: If I'm Beane, or any other GM, I'm throwing out year 2006 (Bad Year - Personal/Divorce Issues). In 2005 & 2007 he WHIP'd 1.22. He doesn't walk people. And, he pitches into the 7th & 8th innings on a very, very consistent basis.
I'm not saying Blanton is worth 3 out of 4 Top Reds Top Prospects. But, he's worth Cueto & Votto.
I've seen Blanton pitch a lot of games. He has poinpoint control, and he's getting better.
I wouldn't mind seeing the A's keep Blanton. For everything he gives - Low WHIP, Innings Eater, Durable, Bulldog... he's worth a couple minor league studs (who may never, ever pan out: See Dan Meyer, and a ton of other "Top Prospects")
Posted by: jpkinney7 | February 12, 2008 at 11:36 PM
...And Blanton cancels Francis, Pettitte, Vazquez, Smoltz, Buehrle, Shields, Billingsley, Weaver, McGowan, Rich Hill, Gorzelanny, Snell, Sheets, Wainwright, Burnett, Lincecum, Gallardo, Bonderman, Garza, Danks.
Blanton has more VALUE (either younger, more durable, more experienced, and more cost effective) than any of those guys. YOU may want those guys more, but you ain't getting those guys... nor would they be worth more than Joe Blanton.
DAY1, Blanton is a SOLID #2 Starter for the Reds.
Posted by: jpkinney7 | February 12, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Side Note; I don't want to write anything political but I have to. This blog is excellently written and enjoyable every day. Please do not adjust your writings to the whims of those who are "offended". Racial, Rude or prejudice, ok Take that out. Your opinions are why we come here. Good writing is built on strong opinions that are not always backed by the masses.
P.S. If you get offended by something written please make sure the team is at least your favorite."I am a fan of Oakland, but I am a bigger fan of KC" Good thing nothing was writen bad about KC.
Posted by: bloke | February 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Could probably get Blanton for Cueto and Danny Herrera.
I guarantee any deal with the Reds will feature Danny Herrera going to the A's.
Posted by: FamousGrouse | February 12, 2008 at 11:53 PM