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Scout.com writer Bill Shanks is reporting that the Braves are shopping backup first baseman Scott Thorman and are considering other options at first base, including Mark
Kotsay, Brayan Pena, Matt Diaz, and Joe Borchard.
Atlanta Journal-Constitution baseball writer David O'Brien confirms this report in the comments section of his blog.
Thorman is out of options, so this makes sense. Shanks points out that Pena is also out of options, "but with his time at
first and his ability to be a third catcher he could have more value
than Thorman." O'Brien says he doesn't think Pena will make the team. Nor does he think Kotsay will see time at first.
Atlanta's once strong bullpen took a few hits this offseason. They traded Oscar Villarreal to the Astros in November for outfielder Josh Anderson. Ron Mahay signed with the Royals. And Mike Gonzalez is out until mid-season after having Tommy John surgery. So Atlanta is most likely looking to land a reliever.
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Never really understood the Villarreal or the Devine trades...both pretty stupid.
Posted by: moebarguy | March 08, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Umm they have Teixeira. I really don't see the need for any more 1B since he should play about 150 games at least.
Posted by: XD23 | March 08, 2008 at 03:39 PM
OK I know theyre in the same division, but dont the mets make A LOT of sense? They need a 1b and the braves need relievers? Sounds like a win win to me.
Posted by: thenerbster | March 08, 2008 at 04:15 PM
The Mets need a QUALITY first baseman, and the Braves need a QUALITY reliever.
Posted by: kray1000 | March 08, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Thorman is powerful but he doesn't know how to HIT. He's got zero plate discipline and is a strikeout machine. Incredibly stubborn, but if someone can drive it through his thick skull that he can't be successful by swinging for the fences on every at-bat, then he could be a good pickup for a club needing a first-baseman for the future.
The Villarreal trade was not stupid for the Braves. That trade was getting something in return for someone who was going to be a non-tender. He wasn't that valuable to the Braves and they have a handful of guys who can perform Villarreal's old job at an equal or better clip.
I only understand the Devine trade through the explanation that the Braves didn't want to start the year with an unknown in CF, but I think they would have been better off keeping Devine and going with the in-house options they had lined up for CF. But, hey, I'm not a GM.
Posted by: Stephen Peele | March 08, 2008 at 05:05 PM
The Braves don't need anything major-league ready in return for Thorman. They've got three lefties capable of being LOOGY's, a dominant closer, a great setup man, and a host of young talent vying for the other spots. The Braves actually have an excess of relievers, though most of them have options left.
Posted by: was385 | March 08, 2008 at 05:11 PM
I'd take a flyer on Thor, the guy can mash. The Braves seem to be grooming Tyler Flowers as the future 1B.
I hated the Devine trade. The guy may be a headcase, but he was an early first round pick who can bring the gas. I don't know what it would take to get Huston Street, but that would make me very happy.
Posted by: Land-Man | March 08, 2008 at 05:12 PM
I Would assume Beane would want Brent Lillibridge for one thing from the Braves.
Posted by: BaseBallz | March 08, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Why would Kotsay be considered to play first? If Kotsay is healthy throughout the season, then you wouldn't want to take him out center field since he is one of the best defensive center fielders in the game. The Braves do have other options that Kotsay to play first.
Posted by: It's Giant's Time! | March 08, 2008 at 06:06 PM
Stephen Peele--i couldn't agree more. i agree that the braves should get what they can for thorman. although he has "potential" (i guess in terms of power) and has apparently had it for some time, if my memory serves me correctly his stints in the majors have been mostly atrocious and he has very little discipline. i bet a few teams could be enamored with his power, so if the braves can pickup another option at reliever in return, why not? the mets could make sense, but i'm not particularly a fan of what they could offer (schoenweis, sosa--best days (with braves mind you) are most likely behind him). the devine trade was a bit perplexing, but if kotsay pans out in center, even just for a year until schafer's ready, it's worth it. i see devine as a late innings guy who would've had to compete for time with moylan, acosta, gonzo (when he returns), and others. i liked the villareal trade for the same reason that Stephen Peele did.
Posted by: jacklaf | March 08, 2008 at 07:23 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to a Thorman trade. Last year I really wanted to like him, but he failed to perform despite having obvious mega-power. The guy doesn't connect as much as he needs to, but when he does... damn that ball goes a long way. I think somewhere where he might not have as much pressure, he might be able to spend some time adjusting and could develop into a solid power-hitting 1B. If the Braves could move him for a decent middle reliever, I couldn't complain. Our lefty relievers are all specialist-quality, so if they could land a lefty who can also pitch to righties, I'd be pretty satisfied.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | March 09, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Any guess as to who needs a 1B prospect? I'm guessing AL, probably for a minor leaguer with a live arm, capable of getting Ks.
Thorman for Papelbon?
Thorman for K-Rod?
Posted by: Land-Man | March 09, 2008 at 01:30 AM
Land-Man, please tell me you're being sarcastic and not obtuse. Maybe Josh Papelbon.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | March 09, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Let's take a look at the Braves relief situation this year.
Carry overs from last year:
Soriano - Closer
Moylan - Set Up
Yates
Lefties:
Ohman
Ring
Long Relief Possibilities:
Carlyle
Bennett
Morton
Reyes
James
More guys fighting for a spot:
Boyer - out of options
Resop
Acosta
Stockman
Cuevos
Ridgeway
Injured:
Gonzalez
Now here's how I see things in the Braves camp right now, the three cary over guys will be there. Boyer hasn't given up a run in spring, and he's out of options so he'll be given one spot. They want to keep one lefty specialist minimum so Ohman defaults to that position right now, although Ring has been very good as well. That leaves 2 spots for 11 guys to fight for. Resop has been good, and Ring as I metioned has been good, but both of them probably won't make the team. They still need someone to do long relief and with Hampton in the starting rotation, I'm sure they're going to want one of Carlyle, Reyes, James or Bennett (whoever doesn't win the 5th spot in the rotation) around to spot start. So really there's not a lot of room to add anyone in the relief area. I just don't see them trading Thorman for a pitcher at this time, and everyone else who's posted the thought is correct to say that they don't need anything close to ML ready for Thorman. I see an A or AA prospect in return, and there might even be a pitcher thrown in the deal going away from the Braves because of all the arms they have and what little trade value Thorman could present as teams might just ask, why trade now when we can get him after he's been cut.
As far as a trade with the Mets, I HIGHLY doubt it. Schoenwies is not something they need in the least bit, and Sosa really shouldn't be an option. The Mets farm system is so bare right now, I don't really see much of value they could present there. Thorman also has some flexibility as he came up as an outfielder, so a team looking for a left fielder with some lefty power could also be interested. The Giants come to mind there, and they have nothing really to lose by adding him.
Posted by: garlick | March 09, 2008 at 11:00 AM
The thought of Thor to the Mets is hilarious! Now THAT'D really run Frank out of town.
Posted by: ksesxe | March 09, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I was scratching my head on both deals at first. If Kotsay performs well (like stated above if just one year) then it's a good trade. You gotta remember it's baseball, not football there's many draft picks each year. So losing Devine isn't that big of a deal. With the Kotsay deal it does make Villarreal for Anderson questionable now. However the 'pen has enough competition as it is and I think they'll be just fine with what they have.
As for trading Thorman, YES! It's a waste to have him on the team. He'd pretty much be solely a pinch hitter as he'd only get 5-10 starts at 1B and very little time in LF. But the Braves don't need a reliever for him, just some prospect to add some depth. I'd like to see Joe Borchard make the club. He's only played 1B in 1 game, but he has the size, can play all 3 OF spots, and is a switch hitter off the bench.
Posted by: mattynokes | March 09, 2008 at 02:45 PM
Thorman just increased his chances of a trade today with a monster of a home run and 4 rbi
Posted by: Banjodr | March 09, 2008 at 08:15 PM
The Braves don't need a ML ready pitcher at this time.
To the guy who pointed out the Braves bullpen situation Manny Acosta is a lock to be on the team. The game had a sub 3 ERA in 21 games last year and is having a great spring.
With Boyer throwing lights out and being outta options he will be on the team. Long relief is the only spot up for grabs and I see that going to Ryan Drese or Jeff Bennett.
Posted by: Tim | March 17, 2008 at 01:44 PM
Also one more thing Gonzalez is so ahead of schedule that he could be back by the end of May.
Posted by: Tim | March 17, 2008 at 01:45 PM