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When the Brewers renewed Prince Fielder's contract at the beginning of the month, he wasn't happy about it. He told the press, "My time is going to come. It's going to come quick, too."
He may have been more right than he knew.
The Brewers have submitted multiyear contract proposals to Fielder and Ryan Braun. Each deal would buy out at least one year of free agency and include an option for an additional year past that. No word yet on how much money is involved.
Bet on Braun getting at least as much as Troy Tulowitzki -- six years, $30MM. Braun last year enjoyed what was arguably the greatest rookie season ever (though, as many have noted, he can't field a lick). He is eligible for arbitration after the 2010 season and for free agency after 2014.
Fielder, who is represented by Scott Boras, is eligible for free agency after 2011. Not sure what it will take to buy his happiness. Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard was recently awarded $10MM in his first year of arbitration. Fielder could expect a similar payday next season.
This is a savvy move by Brewers owner Mark Attanasio. If Braun and Fielder turn down these contracts, at least Attanasio can say he tried -- and he'll still control the rights to Braun for the next seven seasons, and Fielder for the next three.
Coley Ward writes for Umpbump.com. You can contact him here.
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I don't know but I get the vibes that Prince Fielder isn't gonna be in Milwaukee for terribly long. They already have Matt LaPorta coming up quickly and he's gonna have to play first. Could we end up seeing another Mark Teixeira situation? I think that whatever team doesnt sign Tex from the group of the New York teams and Boston would probably be interested. Actually maybe not Boston because Lars Anderson is looking like a freaking beast. But I could see the Yankees being interested in Fielder to be their next great big bopper. I bet the Brewers wouldn't mind getting a guy like Jose Tabata and some pitching. Obviously its tough to project how farm systems will be in a couple years.
But maybe something like Ian Kennedy, Jose Tabata, Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances would be tempting to Milwaukee..
Kennedy should be a legit 3 starter in the NL by then and with Gallardo and Parra that'd make for a good rotation. Brackman has a huge ceiling and the same can be said Betances, so they could end up being legit big time prospects by then. They're both quite young as well. Jose Tabata should end up being an elite outfielder prospect by then, and will be near MLB-ready. He would end up making a dominant outfield with Braun.
And considering that the Brewers have Matt LaPorta ascending quickly through the minors, he could easily replace Fielder and will end up being a big time power hitter as well, so they won't miss Fielder as much. Actually LaPorta should end up being a big reason why they'll move Fielder.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 04:39 PM
1) The Brewers aren't giving up Fielder any time soon, he's too good, too popular, and at the moment, too cheap.
2) The Yankees wouldn't do that, that's half their farm system. No chance.
Posted by: achilles17 | March 29, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Scribble-
You obviosuly dont follow the Brewers much...Matt Laporta was turned into a Left Fielder from day 1..Scouts at Spring Training this year when Laporta was with the Brewers said that Laporta looked pretty good in the OF....obviously he is a better defensive Firstbasemen..
But he sounds like he will be an Average OFer.
Prince is a guy that seems like he wants to stay in Milwaukee Long term...he just has the wrong agent for that...plus if this Veggaterian thing does not work out for Prince he might end up being a DH at the end of the 2011 season
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 04:56 PM
BUT Because of Laporta, the Brewers should look to extend other young guys Before thinking of Prince..
they should go after Hart/ Weeks/Braun and Gallardo
Hart and weeks are Arby elgible next season with Prince and both will be so much cheaper to extend..
I think Weeks is still the higher ceiling guy out of all the young players and this season being Healthy finally he should show his Hitting and power...
Hart can play Center and is a Legit 30/30 threat
Just think of the Lineup for the Brewers after May or so next season...
Weeks
Hart
Fielder
Braun
Laporta
Hall
Hardy
Kendall/or whoever
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Yeah okay that was probably too much for Fielder. Take out one of Brackman and Betances. But then again those two guys are both extremely high-risk/high-reward, because Brackman is coming off surgury and Betances is just that kind of pitcher.
I knew that LaPorta was turned into a leftfielder, but I was assuming that Braun is going to be there long term. And Considering that I assumed that Hart was going to be their RF long term as well, that leaves first base as LaPorta's only spot on the Brewers. It never had anything to do with my doubts about LaPorta as a fielder, but I just think it'd be smarter financially to move Prince and keep the cheaper Braun and Hart and put LaPorta at first. Especially considering how much talent they could potentially get for him.
And when I was talking about the Brewers moving Fielder, I meant in a couple years, when he closes in on free agency. Of course they wouldn't move him any time soon, he still is too cheap for that.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Okay if Hart can play a decent center than that changes a lot. But then again, that'd be the one of the worst defensive outfields in baseball, Braun, Hart and LaPorta..
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 05:05 PM
Hart actually plays a good Center...
Many scouts this year in Spring have already said Braun is average at OF..and should be a GG in no time at all... He has great range and good arm
Braun of course will make mistakes this year, but his range is really good and thats only being in the OF for 3 months..
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:11 PM
Well then.. as a Cubs fan I shudder..
2B Weeks
CF Hart
LF Braun
1B Fielder
RF LaPorta
3B Hall
SS Hardy
C Who the hell even cares
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 05:13 PM
and Scribble I agree with you...Fielder will probably be moved..and it will probably take place after the 2009 season...2 years before free agency..
Braun would be moved over to Right Field because he has a Strong arm...
They are trying Laporta in Right as well..but his arm is much weaker then Braun's..
And I dont think the OF defense will be bad...Hart and Braun are great athletes and can fly..I think with Braun once he gets the reads off the bat better he will be a very good oFer..
In fact some see him as being the Center Fielder because of his speed
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:18 PM
For all you Corey Hart fans, here's a fun stat: Hart struck out 26 times in 67 spring training at-bats. Ewwwwwww.
Posted by: Coley Ward | March 29, 2008 at 05:21 PM
There will of course be choices to make...
Hardy or Hall are expendable with a SS prospect that the Brewers have who is 20..he is playing at triple A this year..hits for a good average, no power, and his OBP sucks...but he has been working on that and did very well in Spring this year.
His Defense is already considered top tier MLB ready..his name is Escobar..
They could move Hardy to 3rd and trade Hall or Trade Hardy..
Fielder is expendable because of Laporta, BUT Fielder is the team leader
Fielder would land a Miggy type haul in prospects.
This June draft will go a long ways to making some choices to because 6 picks in the first 2 rounds will rebuild the farm system.
But I agree Scribbs...there are things that will happen.
But at least we have an Owner that has said he will spend money..and that milwaukee can sustain a 100 million dollar payroll.
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:24 PM
"[Braun] is eligible for arbitration after the 2010 season and for free agency after 2014... [Attanasio] will still control the rights to Braun for the next seven seasons"
What? Even if Braun has three more seasons pre-arbitration (assuming he started 2007 late enough), he's only got three years of arbitration. At the very most, Braun is controlled for the next SIX seasons, not seven; that would end after 2013:
1 - 2008 (pre-arb)
2 - 2009 (pre-arb)
3 - 2010 (pre-arb)
4 - 2011 (arbitration)
5 - 2012 (arbitration)
6 - 2013 (arbitration)
I see that you copied the 2014 date from the article, but the article is wrong, unless the usual rules don't apply to Braun.
Posted by: metafrantic | March 29, 2008 at 05:24 PM
"For all you Corey Hart fans, here's a fun stat: Hart struck out 26 times in 67 spring training at-bats. Ewwwwwww."
Heres a fun fact for every fan ever: Spring Training stats mean horseshit. Look at his '07 numbers if you want to see something of value.
Wasn't the problem with Braun that he couldn't aim his throws from third, even though he had a great arm? erbacaine, do you think that he would be able to aim his throws better if they're across the whole field, rather than just across the diamond?
And I just gotta think that Fielder is gonna go for the money, rather than for the love of Milwaukee. Especially with Boras. It'd make sense to move him after '09, when his value is sky high and he'll still have 2 years before free agency so his value will be maximized like Cabrera. I'm assuming you plan to move LaPorta to first finally when they "inevitably" move Fielder, correct?
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Ward-
and Derek Lee and Ichiro had below .200 batting averages,,,its spring...
Hart and Weeks as well as a few other hitters were told to take more pitches in Spring so they get a better read on them and can see those better when stats COUNT. Weeks struck out a lot and in most cases he would not swing until he saw 2 pitches thrown...
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Also Ward- Corey Hart had a .290+ average last season 20/20 player and was not a full time starter until June..
Yeah metafrantic-
I think he meant they had him 7 years total..since he was brought up in May last season...
But he will be a free agent after the 2013 season
Posted by: erbacaine | March 29, 2008 at 05:32 PM
i agree with u guys that fielder will play there a few more years and be gone. boras + midmarket team = bye bye. braun is jewish so he too might also go for the money(mostly joking there, but seriously, u ever known a jew who was bad with money). the brewers have a ton of talent but wont be able to keep a lot of it. i was at their ballpark in 06. it was really nice. it was also really empty. im guessing 07 was better but low budget teams like milwaukee must sell tickets in order to pay their players. i was sitting right behind home and their were a lot of empty seats. as i know from st louis and i know scribble knows, we sell tickets. the cubs dont spend money wisely all the time and the cards are as cheap as it gets but both teams sell tickets. full ballpark = good players.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 29, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Braun will not be gold glove in no time, that's just a joke. That outfield would be horrendous defensively, but could be great offensively.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | March 29, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Gotta protest the "greatest rookie year ever" comment. Pujols had a higher batting average, 33 more rbi's, 3 more hr's, and 21 more runs. This AND Pujols played 1st, 3rd, and OF during the year. Ridiculous...
Posted by: Cardsrule08 | March 29, 2008 at 07:59 PM
"But maybe something like Ian Kennedy, Jose Tabata, Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances would be tempting to Milwaukee.."
I don't think you've been paying attention - the days of the Yankees trading their farm for a single super-expensive player are gone (I hope).
Posted by: V | March 29, 2008 at 08:35 PM
"I don't think you've been paying attention - the days of the Yankees trading their farm for a single super-expensive player are gone (I hope)."
I don't quite understand how Tabata, Brackman and Betances is their whole farm system. Don't you think that by the end of the 2009 season, which I predicted would be when this trade would happen, the Yankees would have more prospects? Obviously this would be a great deal of good prospects, but look at the guy you're getting. He's an elite middle of the order hitter who isn't just a hit or miss guy like Howard. He's actually a good hitter that uses the whole field. Look at the deals that were being talked about for M-Cab and Teixeira, that is the kind of offer it would take. I don't get why everyone was so shocked by that comment.
OH MY GOD the Brewers are actually going to try to get as much as possible for the best player they've had in recent memory?!? WHATTHEFUCK!!!!! I don't get it. That's a reasonable offer and Brackman and Betances may not even be legit prospects by then, as they are both extreme high risk/high reward prospects.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 09:45 PM
Cardsrule, while I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, you're omitting the fact that while Pujols did have 33 more RBI's, 3 more HR's and 21 more Runs, he also had 139 more at-bats. Braun had a better HR/AB rate, he stole 15 bases (Pujols had one), and while Braun's OBP was significantly lower, his SLG was significantly higher. Plus, his BA was only .005 lower; that's only 3-5 hits difference. Purely offensively speaking, it's legitimate to argue that Braun had a better year than Pujols did in 2001. But I agree that when defense is considered, Pujols's rookie year was better.
It's all moot anyway; Ted Williams had a better rookie year than either of them.
1939: .327/434/.609, 565 AB, 31 HR, 145 RBI, 131 Runs, 44 2B, 11 3B, 107 BB to 64 K
Posted by: metafrantic | March 29, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Well the guy did say that it was ARGUABLY the best rookie season of all time. You can't disagree with that. Regardless of defense.
Now whether its actually the best is a whole different story. And I believe, after looking at the numbers metafrantic gave about, that Teddy Williams had the best rookie season of all time. Pujols is up there and so is Braun. But to post a 1043 OPS, 145 RBI, and 131 runs in just 565 at bats as a rookie is simply incredible.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM
"He's an elite middle of the order hitter who isn't just a hit or miss guy like Howard. He's actually a good hitter that uses the whole field."
Key word: "IS". Trading four close to major league minimum guys for a 7 years, $15-22M per year contract (what it would take to sign him) that might not be worth it by the end (if his knees go out) is a Yankees-of-five-years-ago move. I think Kennedy could surprise, and be better than a NL-3rd starter.
Posted by: V | March 29, 2008 at 11:22 PM
then I would argue that Kennedy's value is what makes or breaks the reality of that deal, not Tabata, Brackman and Betances. Maybe instead of Kennedy someone less valuable like Alan Horne (should be a decent 4/5 by then) or Ross Ohlendorf. But the fact is that the Yankees will need another middle of the order hitter, because Matsui, Abreu, Posada, and even Rodriguez will all be aging and a couple of them will likely be gone. This is a team that's gonna need some better young hitters to join Rodriguez, Jeter, Cano and Melky, the four guys that will definately still be in the lineup in 2010. Then there is also Austin Jackson too. You could put him in the deal and keep Tabata as well, since Tabata projected to have more power than Jackson.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Maybe it'd make more sense for them to go after someone like Hanley Ramirez, but the fact is they're gonna need to address this fairly soon.
Posted by: scribbletone | March 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM