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Two suitors for the affable Coco Crisp, both in the Windy City.
According to Chris De Luca at the Chicago Sun Times,
"The Cubs and Red Sox have had talks centering on Crisp in recent weeks, though the subject was broached by Boston, sources say, and evidently the Red Sox were not interested when the Cubs dangled outfielder Matt Murton. Talks could resume during spring training, however, depending on the Red Sox' need for starting pitching -- an area where the Cubs are expected to have some surplus with Ryan Dempster or Jason Marquis getting nudged out of the rotation."
And also from the same source,
"They, too, could find themselves in the market later in camp if Jerry Owens doesn't pan out in center. Manager Ozzie Guillen has long admired Crisp, but the White Sox don't figure to have a surplus of starting pitching by the end of spring training."
On a related side note, I caught the BoSox/Twins preseason game on Friday night and got a chance to watch Twins CF incumbent Carlos Gomez unload a scud missile from centerfield to get Dustin Pedroia at homeplate. With Gomez in house, I can see why rumors of the Twins as an option for Coco have cooled. Thoughts?
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I would say NO because I am a big Pie fan and if we get Coco, would that mean Pie is gone? I want to see an awesome outfield of Soriano, Pie, Fukudome!!!
Posted by: uww1 | March 02, 2008 at 12:31 PM
I really dont care about this trade but i still want to see Pie in a cubs uniform i think he has great potential.. But the real trade i want to see happen is Roberts.. Thats my main topic... But Crisp will bring speed to the team.. GO Cubs
Posted by: ryno23 | March 02, 2008 at 12:43 PM
No way are they moving Pie, regardless of any Cocoa Crisp acquisition. Crisp would be the fourth outfielder we're looking for who can cover all three outfield spot. He'd probably get a few starts in CF against lefties since he can switch hit but I don't see him taking MUCH playing time away from Pie, especially if/when Pie starts hitting. Send them Marquis if he's going to be a baby and some cash to equal out the salary differential, perhaps? I don't think sending them Marquis AND a propspect is neccessary. If we can also pull the trigger on the Roberts deal, we'd be looking to have some pretty solid depth on the bench.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Pie moved to get some "help now" for a year.
Colvin is only a year away.
Posted by: Jay107 | March 02, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I just don't think they move him. Piniella seems to have a hard on for him and he plays great D. If he plays anything like he did the first ST game, we've got a solid contributor offensively as well.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I really don't care but if they do it'll be fine. I say what we really need is some pitching perhaps another starter. Like a Kyle Lohse.
So for Roberts from what we hear is a trade like this.
Ronny Cedeno, Sean Gallagher and 1 or 2 more guys for Roberts.
Then I would trade Marquis or Dempster for Crisp.
Then have a great looking line up like this.
CF- Coco Crisp
2B- Brian Roberts
RF- Kosuke Fukudome
3B- Aramis Ramirez
LF- Alfonso Soriano
1B- Derrek Lee
C- Geovany Soto
SS- Ryan Theriot.
Also, Fukudome jersey number is #1. Also, Brian Roberts's Jersey is #1. So if Roberts comes over what number is he going to wear? 2- Theriot, 3-?
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | March 02, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Would the Padres be in on this in any way? All the talk about wanting another outfielder, they seem like a decent fit. If I'm not mistaken, Towers and Theo have been somewhat friendly. Hooking up on the Mirabelli (which was awful) and the David Wells deal.
Posted by: Eltiante34 | March 02, 2008 at 01:05 PM
That Twins outfield of Young, Cuddyer, and Gomez will lead the majors in outfield assists.
Three cannons
Posted by: derby | March 02, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Cubbies2008 - weren't you the person who was saying something in the other thread about sending Marquis over in the Roberts deal? And NOW you're putting Coco Crisp as leadoff hitter over Brian Roberts?? AND bunching all the left handed hitters at the top of the order??
Stop it. Just...stop that.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I was going to say Wuertz and Castillo. Rock solid reliever and C prospect. What else would the Red Sox want?
Posted by: jrfukudome | March 02, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Bighats -
what do you say we bat Soto lead off while we're at it, and put Lee and Soriano at the 7-8 spots so that we can get production from the bottom or the lineup.
Posted by: Jay107 | March 02, 2008 at 01:46 PM
What do you think about this trade:
Cubs send Marquis and Fox (or another mid-level prospect)
FOR Coco Crisp
Cubs send Crisp, Dempster, Murton, Cintron
FOR Khalil Greene
Posted by: uww1 | March 02, 2008 at 02:05 PM
I don't think the Pads could stomach Cintron as a fulltime SS; and I think they can get an OF without giving up Greene. (And I'm not sure I can stomach both Lieber and Marshall in the rotation.)
Posted by: jrfukudome | March 02, 2008 at 02:12 PM
i know that San Diego has a few guys that can play SS. They could use Crisp and Murton in the OF. That could be a fair trade for all 3 teams
Posted by: uww1 | March 02, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Lets see, the Red Sox present 1-5 is : Beckett, DiceK, Lester, Wakefield, Bucholz. Why in the heck would they want Marquis?? Reality break cubs fans, they wouldnt. Even in the event of injury they are better off with Tavarez who was adequate as a starter for them.
Face it the only way Marquis is off the cubs is if 1) the cubs eat AT LEAST half of his contract AND 2) expect very little in return. The fact that the RedSox are bringing in Colon and now Freddy Garcia should say what Theo thinks of Marquis. He would get absolutely torched in the AL East.
Posted by: forlife61 | March 02, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Jay-
Great thinking! Then we can bat the pitcher 2nd to bunt Soto over! Can't fail.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Yeah, good point, forlife. I had heard before that the BoSox wanted an innings eater and weren't especially thrilled about throwing their rookies into the fire, so to speak. But with Colon signed to a minor league deal and now the possibility of Freddy Garcia (HAVE they signed him? Haven't heard; I'll go check after this post) I suppose Marquis doesn't quite fit in.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Pads can trade Khalil Greene and give tht one guy a shot who they drafted 1st overall. I have a question though, if the Cubs did get Crisp or Greene could tht ruin their chances of getting Roberts, or would it effect tht trade?
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | March 02, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Slightly off-topic but Soriano just broke his finger?? I read he's out 3-5 days? Huh?
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Forlife
Ideally the Red Sox have said they want to start Bucholz at AAA. So yes they are in the market for a starting pitcher. Marquis may not be the best fit for them, but they would trust him for them Tavarez. Colon isnt the answer for the Red Sox. It would also give both teams a chance to take the negativity off the team.
Posted by: uww1 | March 02, 2008 at 02:35 PM
The report was that they are in talks with Garcia as it has been previously been reported that Garcia probably wouldnt be back until June anyways. Just my gut feeling, but I think Theo would prefer to trade Crisp for a prospect or two as opposed to just looking for a "one contract for another contract" type of deal. Especially when Marquis will in essence be looking at the same scenario in Boston....a 6th starter.
Posted by: forlife61 | March 02, 2008 at 02:38 PM
"Ideally the Red Sox have said they want to start Bucholz at AAA"
Not what I read. I read they expect Bucholz to pitch around 190 innings this year..IN THE BIGS. Sorry your stuck with Marquis, accept it.
Posted by: forlife61 | March 02, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Crisp and Lugo, don't need anything back. Have fun with em.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | March 02, 2008 at 02:40 PM
You might be right about Bucholz, that was just last I had heard. And if they are getting ready to sign Garcia then Marquis would have no chance there. If he doesnt make the starting rotation we will get rid of him. money is no issue.
Posted by: uww1 | March 02, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Yeah, go to the Red Sox page, I dont know if it is still up but in their Notes section the Headline was TAVAREZ TO COMPETE FOR 5TH SPOT. Article very clear that Tavarez and Bucholz will both be competing for the 5th starter. Clearly, I cant see how Bucholz losses this battle, but they do wanna watch his inning count and keep it around 190. Again Tavarez not a great option, but hes already on the team, was their during their run last year, and a cheaper option that Marquis. I think by the end of spring training, Theo will be approached with better proposals for Crisp than that goof Marquis.
Posted by: forlife61 | March 02, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Bigbats -
we should email lou that info, it'd be a world series contending lineup.
Posted by: Jay107 | March 02, 2008 at 03:00 PM
If I'm the Twins, do I really want Crisp? I mean, they seem to have fallen so far behind Cleveland and Detroit, is it worth it to give up a body and pay his salary? Is Crisp going to make any difference to their chances? I doubt it. Play Gomez and see what he can do and try to build a team for next year to compete.
As for the Cubs, Pie provides equal defense with a better arm. And I'd take the chance that he can duplicate Crisp's .317 OBP and .330 OBP of the past 2 years. Really, what is this guy worth?
And it makes me laugh to read Boston fans trying to play up Colon - who the pitching poor White Sox rejected -- and Garcia. Let's see how their post-injury 80 mph fastballs play in that mighty AL East. Let's see if they can even combine to pitch 150 innings. You can slam Marquis all you want, but he'll give you 200 innings and he'll keep you in the game. The Cubs won more of his starts than any other starter, including Zambrano and Lilly. And it allows you to keep Tavarez in your bullpen and keep that strong. But I'm still not saying the Cubs should trade for Crisp. I think we'll be fine with Pie's speed, defense and arm - and we should have enough hitting around him to make up the difference. Not that Crisp adds much hitting or OBP anyway. If Boston wants to keep him, they can deal with his unhappiness on the bench.
But that being said,
The Cubs should focus on Roberts. Hopefully, McPhail's constipation problems when making deals subside before opening day.
Posted by: crunchy1 | March 02, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Marquis is not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. The beginning of last year he was quite possibly pitching like our one of our top, if not the top, pitcher on the staff. He's won 54 games over the past four seasons. That's about 14 wins a year - certainly NOTHING to shrug your shoulders at for a 5th starter.
Sure everyone would love to have a #1 or #2 starter in their 3, 4, and 5 spots, but it's not going to happen. If Marquis isn't on the team by the end of spring training, it's cause he was outpitched, and another club offered something decent in return for him.
He's not making that much money for a starter that will throw that many innings, and averages 14 wins a year.
Cubs are better off keeping him than trading him for garbage like Crisp.
Posted by: Jay107 | March 02, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Know of anywhere you can find a highlight of Gomez gunning down Pedroia? I missed it but I always appreciate a great defensive play.
Posted by: baseballjw | March 02, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Ha, ha! Teams give up good prospects for Crisp? A bottom of the order hitter with a .329 OBP lifetime? Who makes 5-6 million a year? Who doesn't even want to stay in Boston? You had me going there for a second, forlife61.
Posted by: crunchy1 | March 02, 2008 at 03:12 PM
It is interesting that the report said the subject was broached by the Red Sox. They must have targeted the Cubs, so there must be something that they want.
Posted by: jrfukudome | March 02, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Good point, jr. I think the Cubs are content with Pie for now. He did hit another homer today. More importantly, he was working the count a bit - a key to his offensive success. Unless Pie, Fuld and Colvin all flop. I don't see the appeal of Crisp to the Cubs.
Posted by: crunchy1 | March 02, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Agreed. Unless they wanted to take Marquis and his contract back, Crisp makes no sense. If he isn't happy in Boston as a 4th outfielder, why would he be with the Cubs?
Posted by: Aduncaroo | March 02, 2008 at 04:48 PM
I say trade Coco to the Cubs for the rights to "Rookie of the Year" as long as the Cubs take on "Fever Pitch"
Posted by: Bosox7796 | March 02, 2008 at 07:40 PM
Not a bad proposal, Bosox7796. Although she may never recapture the success of her youth, we'd acquire a solid dependable veteran in Drew Barrymore but I believe that Jimmy Fallon has been playing out of position. I believe he's got a lot of potential for a Late Show style hosting gig. I could see this deal getting done.
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | March 02, 2008 at 08:05 PM
He has a future as the bottom in a long string of underground porns. That's pretty much the high bar he's aiming for.
"Ha, ha! Teams give up good prospects for Crisp? A bottom of the order hitter with a .329 OBP lifetime? Who makes 5-6 million a year? Who doesn't even want to stay in Boston? You had me going there for a second, forlife61. "
You know what would be great, if a website or say a whole company designed a formula to determine how valuable players were to their teams, offense and defense combined. Then they could hypothesize a salary that is commensurate with their on field production. That would be awesome. Maybe they could name a stat WARP, that would be awesome. Maybe people who don't know a thing about what they are talking about go to this website and compare said player to other players, then make a slightly educated statement about a players worth.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | March 02, 2008 at 10:25 PM