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So far, we haven't read any actual rumors suggesting the Mariners will shop Erik Bedard. However, it's become a prevalent discussion topic among the team's beat writers. John McGrath even suggests Phillies GM Pat Gillick should acquire Bedard as his last hurrah. The Phils do have a history of interest in the lefty.
Though they don't get much press, the Phillies have three Top 100 prospects in Carlos Carrasco, Adrian Cardenas, and Joe Savery. Gillick could certainly pull off a trade, though it's interesting to note that the Phils have used the same five starters all year.
Almost half the teams in baseball had interest in Bedard last winter. That list has narrowed, but there should be healthy competition for his services if the Mariners make him available. I wonder if Bill Bavasi would get to call the shots this time around.
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Phils don't need Bedard enough to give up any of those three players.
There have been rumors the Phils see Carrasco as ready and are waiting for the need to arise.
Might as well give him a shot before they trade him for Bedard, who has not had a lot of success this year. 4-4 with 4.26 ERA is not worth the bounty Seattle unloaded for him, and I don't think it would be worth what they would want from the Phils to get him.
Posted by: Matt | June 09, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Mariners would have to swallow a ton of pride to deal Bedard away.
How much would Seattle have to get back that wouldn't have fans calling the original deal a failure?
Posted by: desmond | June 09, 2008 at 11:43 AM
*I ment how much would they have to get back for Mariners fans to say "it's worth it"?
Posted by: desmond | June 09, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Any chance the Cubs could land Bedard? They are in the market for a starter and have some pieces including Pie, Marshall, Ceda, and Cedeno. What else would the M's want?
Posted by: krushagent | June 09, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Bedard to the Phillies makes sense. The Phillies will probably win their division without Bedard, but Bedard, paired with Hamels, would make them much more formidable in the playoffs. Cardenas would make sense as the centerpiece of the trade, as he's blocked by Utley.
Posted by: Playwright | June 09, 2008 at 12:01 PM
the reds should jump back in in it maybe the phils do not want as much as the o's did in the offseason
Posted by: redsfan | June 09, 2008 at 12:01 PM
The Mariners should definitely move him. He was brought in to win NOW. That isn't going to happen. Cut your losses and start the rebuilding process for the future. The M's have some very nice young talent. They just need to augment their core by moving high priced veterans and bringing in more youth.
Posted by: bjsguess | June 09, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Honestly, Krush a deal for Bedard doesn't make sense for the cubs. A year and half of him for Veal/Ceda/Colvin would be my best guess.
Posted by: AirmanSD | June 09, 2008 at 12:38 PM
im sure the yankees would be interested, how bout alan horne, jose tabata, and ian kennedy
Posted by: dewallace | June 09, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Krush Mariners dont need cedeno...they already got a SS in Betencourt....and dewallace come on Ian Kennedy isnt as good as u guys think he is to get Bedard
Posted by: Larsen101 | June 09, 2008 at 12:42 PM
how bout hughes, melky, and jb cox
Posted by: dewallace | June 09, 2008 at 12:45 PM
No way this happens. Getting Bedard at the price they paid was a big statement by the GM that they were going for it. BY trading Bedard now when his value has dipped means that Bavasi is conceding that it was a bad move, AND, they would never be able to recouped the value they gave away.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 12:56 PM
This is just idle internet talk. Creating news when there is none just to keep the bloggers busy.
Posted by: basemonkey | June 09, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Bedard is basically Rich Harden light, in that he isn't nearly as dominant when healthy and is always dealing with injury.
Posted by: AA | June 09, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Oh.... my.... god. I just had the best idea. Cubs trade Ceda, Pie, and Murton for Bedard and Ichiro, then trade Hill and Cedeno for CC Sabathia. Like, How amazing is this lineup? Then trade Fontenot for Roberts. Check it out.
Ichiro CF
Roberts 2B
Lee 1B
Soriano LF
A-Ram 3B
K-Fuk-U RF
Soto- C
Theriot- SS
Carlos Zambrano
CC Sabathia
Erik Bedard
Ted Lilly
Gallagher
And also, in this trade, the Mariners move Richie Sexson and Sean Green and they get back Albert Pujols, Grady Sizemore, Matt Holliday, Garret Atkins, and Russel Martin.
Posted by: nrmax88 | June 09, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Crap, I dont even remember posting this, I must have subconsciously been channeling the one and only Guru.
Posted by: nrmax88 | June 09, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Oh.... my.... god. I just had the best idea. Cubs trade Ceda, Pie, and Murton for Bedard and Ichiro, then trade Hill and Cedeno for CC Sabathia.
Makes sense to me. ;)
Posted by: desmond | June 09, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Bedard has had nowhere near the injury problems that Harden has had.
Bavasi would be smart--but probably isn't--to change direction and trade Bedard. Admit a mistake in thinking the Mariners serious contenders, and begin rebuilding.
Posted by: Playwright | June 09, 2008 at 01:10 PM
hughes, melky and jb cox? they didn't want to trade hughes for Johan, now a few months later they're going to deal him for Bedard? I mean, I think it makes sense, but I don't think the Yankees front office is ready to eat crow just yet.
I think the Rays would be a GREAT fit for him, although I'd be terrified as a Sox fan if that happened. They have all the prospects you could ask for and a top 3 of Bedard, Kazmir, Shields is scary good. They'd still have Garza, Sonnanstine, E. Jackson (probably to the 'pen) with a bundle of great prosepcts (whom I'm sure Seattle would target- but they wouldn't get them all) in Price, McGee, Davis, Niemann and a few others who grade out lower. That's a ridiculous amount of pitching and they could make some serious noise if the owner wants to take this great opportunity seriously.
Posted by: Papelboner | June 09, 2008 at 01:14 PM
"The Mariners should definitely move him. He was brought in to win NOW."
No. Bedard wasn't just a win now aquisition, he was a long run aquisition. On paper a Hernandez/Bedard 1-2 punch is devistating. It's just the Silva/Washburn/Bautista punch after that reminds me of Glass Joe in the old nes game mike tyson punchout. Unfortunately for them it's a rotation they're stuck with as all 3 are signed through 09.
Bedard isn't going anywhere because there is some vauge future hope for the Mariners. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mariners throw a lot of money at Texeria in the off season to try to fix their offense.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 09, 2008 at 01:31 PM
“Oh.... my.... god. I just had the best idea. Cubs trade Ceda, Pie, and Murton for Bedard and Ichiro, then trade Hill and Cedeno for CC Sabathia. Like, How amazing is this lineup? Then trade Fontenot for Roberts. Check it out.”
…Hehehe… This was great! Not only did you work in the “Cubs trash for stars” proposals that get mentioned in each and every thread ~ but you also threw in a “guru” reference! Made me chuckle, it did…
Anyway, no ~ you cant trade Bedard after 2 months of a season. Good or bad move to start, its just too stupid of a move. Better to move Felix than Bedard at this point, trading Eric is like a gigantic red flag hanging on every overpass in the state saying “we have no clue what we are doing”…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 09, 2008 at 05:13 PM
I would love to see the Phillies acquire Bedard but realistically speaking the post above me makes the most sense....
No chance the Mariners give away Bedard for half of what they payed for him... They acquired him to stablize that rotation for the next half a decade not just for this years pennant run..
Posted by: allabouthephils | June 09, 2008 at 06:05 PM
Another arguement in the, they're not going to move Bedard category. This is a $100M+ salary team... of course they are playing like they're ten cents on the dollar, but still, still isn't some small market team who can't afford Bedard in a couple of years. The Mariners can pay him, so they'll try to keep him.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 09, 2008 at 07:10 PM
how about the brewers. desperate for another starter and need an ace next year when sheets leaves. they have plenty of legitimate prospects in LaPorta, Gamel, Escobar etc...
Posted by: mar_022 | June 09, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Any chance the Yankees make an offer?
Posted by: GD31892 | June 09, 2008 at 09:12 PM
I just can't see the Yanks making an offer that will get it done for a few reasons. First, the Mariners would have to be bowled over and get a couple "sure thing" prospects, the same prospects they wouldn't deal for Johan. Now they're going to trade those same guys for Bedard? I can't see Cashman doing it. Second, the Red Sox would drive up the price to the point where the Yanks would have to say no. Third, the Mariners probably aren't ready to call it quits on Bedard just yet.
Posted by: Papelboner | June 09, 2008 at 09:21 PM
any chance the rays would trade David Price straight up for Bedard? M's maybe throwing in some cash as well.
Posted by: marinersmatt | June 10, 2008 at 12:37 AM
we gotta remember that the m's gave up adam jones who was heralded as the best hitting prospect in baseball at points of '07. he was the main bargaining chip and the o's still managed to yank the m's primary set up man in sherrill and three other pitchers. the price was high so the resale is high. with all that the m's unloaded, david price can't justify a straight up trade even if he was #1 overall. and cash consideration is no consideration here, when paired up with one single prospect.
where the mariners are really stuck is trying to shop a guy who was not liked in the clubhouse and media in baltimore and is now showing the same trend in seattle. no one wants a player with a bad attitude and that will play a major hand in the m's failure to move bedard by the deadline. if i were a g.m. i would low-ball the m's all day, citing character issues as my reason for not throwing in that extra prospect the m's may want. because i know how bad the m's want to get rid of this guy... they just don't want to look dumb for trading five players for him. but really, only one of those players is succeeding right now, so i say they don't look very dumb, just slightly. and that's a small price to pay for shipping out a guy who brings a losing team down further.
so the only thing that appears to interest bedard is a winner... yankees are an option since hughes has not instilled much confidence in his composure or durability (similar to bedard.) and melky could replace the hole adam jones left in the outfield when they dealt him away. i can't see cox being involved since the m's have putz and morrow and the yanks are losing mariano's firepower by the day.
the phils have the best chance, though. that city LOVES lefties. hamels and moyer have carved a niche for left-handed pitching and the biggest concern with the phillies, without a doubt, is that the pitching will be strong enough to get them through the playoffs, not just to the playoffs. many would not say that it is strong enough at this point, so look for philadelphia to tug on bavasi's sleeve more than most teams in the coming months.
Posted by: thebosswants2cya | June 10, 2008 at 09:53 AM
Why would the Yankees get into a bidding war for Bedard if they weren't willing to part with their top prospects for Johan ???
It's not like the Mariners are going to give the Yankees preference...
Even if the Yankees were interested the price wouldn't be that much different than it was for Johan ( if not higher ) and they would most likely balk....
Posted by: allabouthephils | June 10, 2008 at 02:05 PM
One reason is that Bedard isn't sitting here asking for a ridiculously stupid 7 year 140 million dollar contract that will probably handcuff the team receiving him for the next half decade. Santana was, and he got it.
Posted by: nrmax88 | June 10, 2008 at 03:42 PM
cubs4life.. why cant the cubs just trade for CC and use him 4 the playoff picture. if the cubs are planning on ending their world series drought, then they need to make a deal before the all star break. they should've already got brian roberts... also aj burnett doesnt sound like a bad choice. he beat the cubs in the only win for the jays in that series vs. the cubs. also rafael furcal will be a free agent next year and would'nt be a bad fit for the cubs if they can deal theRIOT that hasnt shown good speed on the bases this year.
Posted by: cubs4life_4 | June 27, 2008 at 02:04 PM