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Manny Ramirez Speculation: Phils, D'Backs, Mets
Theo Epstein told Tim McCarver he'd try to trade Manny Ramirez if he'd waive his 10-and-5 no-trade rights. If Ramirez were to be dealt, I'm guessing he'd either require an extension or reassurance that his $20MM option would not be picked up so he could reach free agency. Here's some reverb from Epstein's remarks:
- Ken Rosenthal doesn't see a good match anywhere. He notes that Manny got himself into this odd contractual situation in the first place.
- Jon Heyman says the Mets have no interest in Manny. His string of bad behavior this year has been undoubtedly a turnoff. They'd rather pursue Raul Ibanez.
- The Boston Herald's Tony Masarotti doesn't think the team needs "to find a Hall of Fame-caliber player to replace him anymore because Ramirez no longer is a Hall of Fame-caliber player." He even cites David Murphy as a more productive outfielder since April.
- Joel Sherman and Mike Puma speculate on Manny to the Phillies, noting how Charlie Manuel and Ramirez have remained close since Manuel was his hitting coach in Cleveland. They go on to list Arizona as having interest as well.
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The reigning MVP gets benched for not hustling or showing up late how well would Manny do in Philly?
Posted by: Bank Street Grounds | July 27, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Shucks. I had this great trade in my head. The Sox ship Manny to the Mets for that top outfield prospect and two good prospect pitchers. They take these players and add 2 more from their own system, and ship them off to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes. That's be great.
Posted by: ikilledthehobo | July 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I can't imagine the Mets would trade Martinez for Manny.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Are you kidding me? The Mets would rather have Raul Ibanez over a Hall of Famer with two World Series rings? I'm gonna start rooting for the Marlins
Posted by: rog3884 | July 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I still this is starting to get pretty obvious: The Phillies need a big bat and have top catching prospect. The Red Sox have a big bat to get rid of need and need a long term catcher.. uhh helloo?
Shane Victorino and Lou Marson for Ramirez, anyone?
Posted by: scribbletone | July 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Hey how about a Adam Dunn for Manny, or Ken Griffey Jr. for Manny. Any Reds fans out there against this?
Posted by: Dave from Louisville | July 27, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Manny in Philly sounds to crazy to ever be reality.
Posted by: PhilsPhan | July 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM
"Hey how about a Adam Dunn for Manny, or Ken Griffey Jr. for Manny."
Griffey in Boston?! Screw that. Being a Yankee fan, I would hate booing Griffey.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM
The Red Sox could use a catching prospect, true. It's a shame the Dodgers don't still have Carlos Santana around to deal for Manny.
As for Victorino/Marson for Ramirez, the Sox don't have any need for Victorino at the moment, even if Manny is gone. And where would the Phils play Manny unless they move Burrell in the deal?
Posted by: ColonelTom | July 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM
no to Victorino, getting rid of rameriz helps thin out an already packed outfield. i think the sox would take there chances with Brandon Moss for the rest of the year and go with that. Moss is ready to play and its good to showcase his skills so we can trade him in the offseason for Matt Holliday, which is the direction i see the sox heading in next year to replace mannys bat, the price for matt wouldve gone down by the winter break most certainly too.
Lou Marson is ok though.
To Phillies:
Rameriz
To Sox:
Marson
Madson
Donald
donald might be throwing it over the top, but it would def be a quality over quantity deal
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Arizona has alot more trading chips then the Phillies in my opinion of course, it wouldnt be the first time ive been wrong.
To Arizona
Manny
To Boston
Tony Pena (or) Yusmeiro Petit
Rauch
A Talented Prospect
I honestly cant see a kid named billy buckner playing in boston :P
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM
All the stupid stuff I just said aside, all i really want is a straight up trade with the Mets, Manny for Reyes
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Here is something that makes way, way too much sense for it to actually happen.
The D-Backs need a power hitter. Their pitching is awesome, but after a hot start, many of their young hitters have been disappointing. They have a nice hole in LF because of Byrnes' injury, but they only want a rental since they have 3 OF signed for next year (Byrnes, Young, Upton).
The Red Sox would love to get rid of Manny, but they don't have an obvious replacement. With the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays bunched so closely, they can't afford much of a downgrade (if any). They do not have an obvious replacement for 2009 either.
The Pirates wouldn't mind trading Bay, but no one seems willing to part with the prospect load necessary. However, if they were part of a 3-way trade and received prospects from both other teams, then their overall price could be met.
Manny + cash to the D-Backs
Bay to the Red Sox
Prospects from D-Backs and Red Sox to Pirates
The D-Backs fill their hole in left with a great hitter who has playoff experience. Manny's 140 OPS+ is still outstanding. The D-Backs have enough depth at the corners to give him an occasional day off. As a mid-market team who might not have tons of financial flexibility, the probably would need to receive some cash.
The Red Sox replaces Manny's 140 OPS+ with Bay's 141 OPS+. At this stage in their careers (Bay's peak and Manny's decline), they are essentially identical at the plate. Bay is probably a little better defensively (not much), he comes without the headaches, and he gives the Red Sox another strong bat for 2009. The Red Sox can justify giving the D-Backs some cash this year because of the difference in Bay's salary and Manny's salary, without the loss in production.
So what prospects do the Pirates need to make this deal happen? I'm thinking they probably need at least 1 good prospect from the D-Backs and 2 good prospects from the Red Sox.
As good as Manny is, the Pirates should ask for either Jarrod Parker (#1 prospect) or Max Scherzer. I don't think the D-Backs give up Scherzer since he's ready (when healthy). Parker is still a ways away and I think he's a distinct possibility. If the D-Backs won't give him up, I think they need to give up 2 legit prospects.
Gerardo Parra (OF prospect) is their next best prospect. He's good, but he has questionable power and the Pirates probably don't want another OF prospect after getting Tabata and already having McCutchen and Pearce, and having a cheap McLouth.
I don't know if any of the other D-Backs prospects are quite good enough. Maybe their 2 best pitching prospects after Scherzer/Parker, but they don't really have anyone else with upside beyond a #3 starter. One other possibility might be Miguel Montero. This only works if the Pirates give up on Doumit's defense.
The Red Sox would have to give up quite a bit more in terms of prospects. They are saving a bunch of money in 2008 without losing production, plus picking up a great hitter for 2009 way below market value.
Buccholz should be off the table, but I think either Bowden or Masterson have to be included. I'd say Bowden since he probably won't help the Red Sox this year and has a little more upside than Masterson. Lowrie is another possibility, as he would allow the Pirates to trade Jack Wilson. Nick Hagadone and Oscar Tejeda are other possibilities.
Bowden, Lowrie, and Parker is what the Pirates should ask for. They absolutly must get either Bowden or Parker. Lowrie is a great fit. If they get all 3, I think that is the package. If they get 2 of the 3, they probably need 2 other solid prospects thrown in. Most likely scenario is that the could get Bowden, 2 good (but not great) prospects from the Red Sox, and 2 good (but not great) prospects from the D-Backs. I realize this is very general, but there are really too many possibilities to go through.
It would be interesting to see the trade expanded to include Jack Wilson going to the Red Sox.
Posted by: mymrbig | July 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Sox dont need to involve prospects OR cut cash on Rameriz, hes the superstar and the grand prize in any trade. If hes dealt, hes a bigger trade the the Sabathia trade. If the team that might get him wants to extend him or decline the option for next year, thats there business, but for this year, Mannys numbers are well worth his 20 million for this year, he would get an easy 10-15 homers and 30-40 RBIs for whatever team he goes for. Epstein wont trade him if he has to give up prospects, certainly if it included Masterson Lowrie or Bowden
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Beat me to it, the Sox can't give up Manny, cash, and prospects just to get Bay.
Posted by: oxfrat1665 | July 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Manny is great but if he insists on the acquiring team forgoing his options then he's a 2 month rental. Teams like the DBacks can't afford to trade cheap, controlled prospects for a 2 month rental even if he comes with cash.
Of course for the DBacks the extension situation wouldn't matter much either as we couldn't afford it.
I don't see the DBacks in the rental market unless it's on the cheap side (bench player).
Posted by: tmar | July 27, 2008 at 12:45 PM
anybody seen the play the phils are getting out of the catcher's position this year? they cannot let marson go.
Posted by: philsphanwest | July 27, 2008 at 12:55 PM
costes been fine this year behind the dish this year right? his average is above league average for the position isnt it?
Id be more concerned of the play you got out of jenkins this year. with rameriz and the other power hitters on your team, youd have an american league batting lineup in the national league, youd murder the mets and marlins in august, thats worth a catching prospect that might never even pan out, the red sox assume the risk with that
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 01:03 PM
"All the stupid stuff I just said aside, all i really want is a straight up trade with the Mets, Manny for Reyes"
Don't you mean all the smart stuff aside, let me say something extremely dumb? I can't tell but I'm presuming that you know that this is a nice little dream of yours. They wouldn't move Reyes for Santana, he's definately not going for Manny. Would you be interested in Terry Evans though?
Honestly I just think that Philadelphia is such an obvious fit for Ramirez that it won't happen. It's simply too perfect. The Phils have an available top catching prospect and need an impact bat, the Red Sox have an impact bat and need a top catching prospect.
Hell I bet that at this point the Phillies would be excited to get Marson, and not even expect much more out of the trade.
Marson and Drew Carpenter for Ramirez?
Posted by: scribbletone | July 27, 2008 at 01:09 PM
You all are crazy. Manny is 36 and a headache. He's in his decline phase. Bay is 29 and not a headache. He is in his prime. Manny was a much better player. But at this point in their careers, they are equals on offense, with Bay being a better bet for 2009. Plus Bay is slightly better on defense.
Manny's potential 2009 salary: $20 million
Bay's 2009 salary: $7.5 million.
So the Red Sox get the same offense for $12.5 million less, get ride of a big headache, improve their defense, and they aren't supposed to give up a prospect? Say what? I agree that is is not worth Bowden + Lowrie. But is is worth one of them, plus a lesser prospect or 2, which is what I acknowledged as the most likely deal.
I don't think the D-Backs should give up Parker for Manny. At this point in his career, a package for 2 months of Manny is a little less than 2 months of CC. At the same time, the D-Backs would have to give up a pretty good package to get 2 months of a guy with 140 OPS+.
I'm not a fan of the Red Sox, Pirates, or D-Backs, just trying to suggest a deal I think would work for all 3 teams. I think Bowden + 1 Red Sox prospect + 2 D-Backs prospects is a good return for all.
The D-Backs would be firmly ahead of the Dodgers with Manny. They would look great in the playoffs with Webb & Haren pitching twice each per series.
The Red Sox would improve their clubhouse and would free up a ton of money for 2009 (assuming they would otherwise exercise Manny's option).
The Pirates would pick up a fair package in return for Bay.
Posted by: mymrbig | July 27, 2008 at 01:10 PM
The Phillies have a good lineup not great. Rollins Utely Burrel Howard are a great top of the lineup but it is only because they play in a little league ballpark that makes them look like a potent lineup.
Posted by: metsfan | July 27, 2008 at 01:13 PM
What about the Dodgers? They're still in contention and need a big bat. Plus, they have tons of prospects.
Posted by: oxfrat1665 | July 27, 2008 at 01:17 PM
i remember they wouldnt take reyes, but they wanted more then reyes as well, i just want him and only him.
Angels Evans? Kind of, but hes a fielder and not even a power hitter, kind of pointless considering we have a bunch of them dont you think?
Still a yes to Marson, since hes hot hitting now and the best prospect for catching thats available, but idk about Carpenter, hes getting shelled in Double A right, idk about him, maybe for Madson or Donald, something ready that we can use now is better, and a prospect at AA or lower with a chance of success
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 01:24 PM
mymrbig - dude, its never gonna happen, sorry. same argument coudlve been made about sabathia and his weight but he still acquired alot of talent. prospects should never be involved in this kind of situations, it just makes it harder, nevermind we are talking about manny, and he can veto it, and its a three team swing, it would never ever work, and the sox simply do not care about bay, i can assure you.
oxfrat - you have alittle to work with but i still think the other teams beat you in chances
Dodgers Get:
Manny
Red Sox Get:
Cory Wade
Chad Billingsley
Chin lung Hu (OR) Austin Gallagher
it might require both Hu and Gallagher in Theos eyes though, but i dont honestly think so
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 01:38 PM
I think a better option for the DBacks would be to skip the Manny part and go directly after Bay. He's cheaper and would be around in the 09 season so the DBacks could try Eric Byrnes as a 4th OF vs an everyday player.
Posted by: tmar | July 27, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Manny's talent has always overshadowed the fact that he is a headcase and a total ass. That ratio is starting to change and the total eclipse is near. As Manny declines, his assholeness will begin to take precedent. Whoever acquires Manny, if anyone, better hope he leads them to the Promise Land right now because the future will not be pretty.
Posted by: MickS | July 27, 2008 at 02:05 PM
"i remember they wouldnt take reyes, but they wanted more then reyes as well, i just want him and only him."
But don't you have to agree that Jose Reyes is probably one of the most untouchable players in all of baseball? I mean he's definately up there considering his current performance, his potential and his fairly team friendly contract situation. He's a lock to stay in New York for a while.
"Still a yes to Marson, since hes hot hitting now and the best prospect for catching thats available, but idk about Carpenter, hes getting shelled in Double A right, idk about him, maybe for Madson or Donald, something ready that we can use now is better, and a prospect at AA or lower with a chance of success"
Actually now that I think about it something like Lou Marson and Jason Donald would actually make a lot of sense. The Red Sox could use another near MLB ready infielder, and he's appears to be that. Meanwhile, considering that the Phillies already have Rollins and Utley, as well as a supremely talented but raw athlete in Anthony Hewitt coming up now as well, I think they would probably prefer to give up Donald over any of their pitching.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 27, 2008 at 02:08 PM
The red sox are screwed Manny has showed what a lazy arse he can be so much that nobody is going to want to deal with him and his childish acts.
If you can't get along with a manager as mild mannered as Francona what GM will even go after a guy like that.
Manny has really hurt his trade value and also the Red Sox failing to be able to contain these problems in house and going public has helped also .
You go public with these issues after you trade the guy not before.
They will not even get a prospect like Carlos Santana / Marson or Martinez.
Because he will be a retal with a crap load of baggage .
And the Dodgers won't give up anybody good hell Cleveland had to pick up all of Blakes contract to complete that trade , that alone should tell you something .Money problems in Dodgerland.
Manny does need to stay in the American league and be placed in the DH position and this solves some of the problems with the defense and his lazy crap in the outfield .
The only problem here is at DH he may ballon to 400 lbs if the team doesn't keep a close on on him.
Posted by: baseballnuts | July 27, 2008 at 02:13 PM
dodgers wont get rid of billingsley. wade maybe, but not billingsley.
Posted by: tmoney352 | July 27, 2008 at 02:14 PM
You are overvalueing Manny he is still a good hitter but not worth 20 mil. He can't play defense and the baggage he brings is just not worth it. With that kind of baggage you can sign Bonds for the league minimum instead of paying prospects and cash.
"All the stupid stuff I just said aside, all i really want is a straight up trade with the Mets, Manny for Reyes"
That is stupid the mets wouldn't trade Reyes for Santana much less an overpayed player like Manny.
Reyes is one of the best SS in the game (only behind Hanley Ramirez who ironically the red sox traded) and has a team friendly contract.
Posted by: metsfan | July 27, 2008 at 02:31 PM
04Forever: I super-duper 1,000,000,000% promise you that Theo himself would laugh at you for suggesting Billingsley at all, let alone as part of a package.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 27, 2008 at 02:36 PM
JA Happ just pulled after three innings of his start in Leigh Valley. Could he part of Phils trade for Manny?
Posted by: EYP | July 27, 2008 at 02:37 PM
yeah i screwed up with bilingsley i admit, but manny would turn down the dodgers anyway, so i dont think it really matters
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 02:48 PM
Manny is NOT going to the Phillies...doesn't make sense, contrary to what some on this board try to force on you. The Phills have Burrell, Victorino, Werth and Jenkins in the outfield already...and the Sox don't need an outfielder or a DH type in return now that Big Poopi is back.
Yes, they could use a good catching prospect in return like Marson, but he's not nearly enough.
I HATE the Red Sux and HATE Manny even more, but he is one of the best hitters in the last two decades...and decline or not...pain in the sack or not...he can still RAKE!
Doubt he goes anywhere before the deadline, but if he does, it would probably have to be to an AL team where he can DH.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 27, 2008 at 02:50 PM
eyp, was he injured? either way i doubt it, if manny is to be traded it will be on the day of the deadline, to up the price.
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 02:51 PM
David Murphy? Since April? From May 1st to now, his OPS is under .800
Maseroti is smoking something...
Posted by: jza1218 | July 27, 2008 at 02:53 PM
"Are you kidding me? The Mets would rather have Raul Ibanez over a Hall of Famer with two World Series rings? I'm gonna start rooting for the Marlinn"
Good riddance then bitch
Posted by: nrmax88 | July 27, 2008 at 02:54 PM
jjyankeesfan2
i honestly have no idea where to start
1 - Manny HATES dhing, he wants to play a position and he likes left field it it were open.
2 - Who said a trade had to involve a fielder, we need relievers, in particular right handed setup guys, and of course prospects
3 - Marson PLUS a package is good enough
4 - What good is his "raking" when he isnt going to play for us, its a waste, id rather have a lesser play play his heart out then have an over payed excellent player that doesnt want to be here
5 - your bias and puns (ie big poopi and red sux) make you look like an ignorant child
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 02:57 PM
J.A. Happ was pulled out of his start early with no known injury.
Doubt it was for Manny, could be but doubt it.
Could be another deal or an injury they don't want to disclose because of another trade possibility
Posted by: MLBAmerica | July 27, 2008 at 02:57 PM
manny being out of the lineup really wont help in telling us anything either...
Posted by: 04Forever | July 27, 2008 at 03:00 PM
Manny wouldn't want to miss a chance to tee off on Ponson, would he?
(Although if his knee really is bothering him playing on a wet field is a bad idea)
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 27, 2008 at 03:04 PM
apparently not. he was being "congratulated" as he left the field according to the philliesphans board. sounds like a trade or a call-up.
as for Manny...the Sox aren't going to get much for him if they trade him. There is no leverage because of the drama and the size of the contract. A guy like Happ and maybe a decent second piece sounds about right. For the Sox, it's addition by subtraction.
Posted by: EYP | July 27, 2008 at 03:04 PM
04 you are mental. You think the Redsox are going to get Chad Billingsley or Jose Reyes for a 36 year old rental in Manny? That is laughable.
Posted by: nrmax88 | July 27, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Hmm it looks like everyone can just throw the Ramirez to the Phillies thing out the window.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3507224&name=mlb_trade_deadline
"Manny Ramirez to the Phillies? The New York Post reported Sunday that the Red Sox view the Phillies as "the best fit" for a potential Manny deal before the deadline. But the Phillies seem to differ.One Phillies official told ESPN.com there was "no substance whatsoever" to that Manny talk. "
Posted by: scribbletone | July 27, 2008 at 03:12 PM
I don't see how he is a fit with the Phillies. They have Burrell in left, you going to have Burrell and Manny in the corners, that could be dangerous. The offense would of course overshadow the defense, but still. The Phillies rotation is just horrendous. They need to get a starter or they will be finding themselves falling further and further behind the Mets, who seem to have been getting good pitching performances every single night. It would be scary to have Manny in the middle of that lineup though.
Rollins
Utley
Manny
Howard
Burrell
Feliz
Werth/Shane
Coste
that is a deadly looking lineup. But it would have to be when you only have 1 pitcher who can be counted on at all.
Posted by: nrmax88 | July 27, 2008 at 03:18 PM
04 Forever
You clearly can't READ. So I will answer your points for you.
1 - Who cares if Princess Manny "hates DH'ing". He either will do what his body and the Red SUX will tell him to do or if he wants out that badly, he may HAVE to DH.
2 - I said a trade to the Phills won't happen because they already HAVE four outfielders and won't trade for another unless they unload one...the SUX DON'T need another OF...and Burrell plays the same position and is having a good year.
3 - I said Marson ALONE is not enough. Him plus a package MAY be enough...depending on what the "package" is OBVIOUSLY...but the Phills farm system is horrible except for a select few.
4 - Even though I am a Yankees fan and HATE this baffoon...he IS one of the best and most feared hitters in the league...whether he's an a$$hole or not.
5 - As for my "bias"...I am STICKING UP for the fact that I don't think the SUX can get value for a future HOF. HOW IS THAT YANKEE BIAS YOU TOTAL JACKA$$??
Here is a tip...next time you "don't know where to start"...try correctly READING a post FIRST before being a tool.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 27, 2008 at 03:28 PM
I wouldn't be so sure that Marson alone wouldn't be enough. There's plenty of talk, albeit unsubstantiated, that Epstein could consider just placing him on waivers. He might be willing to bite on the first good prospect he's offered.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 27, 2008 at 03:34 PM
Looks like Blanton was on his way to another pounding today before the rains came. I still do not think he is the answer. And also, Johan Santana officially became a Met today. Phils better get their act together and quick. They need Burnett.
Posted by: nrmax88 | July 27, 2008 at 03:35 PM
This situation just sucks for the Red Sox. Now that they are a couple games back of Tampa and have the Yankees breathing down their necks they can't really lose much offense. Just last offseason Manny said how he loves Boston and now I think Scott Boras has shifted Manny's opinion. Worst of all for the Red Sox, the price for a 36 year old aging left fielder with hamstring problems has to be considerably low. Somehow the Sox are gunna have to give up some prospects to make up for their lose on offense.
Posted by: Johnny | July 27, 2008 at 03:35 PM
NJM - Even if Marson was enough...where would Manny play on the Phills? He's not taking Burrell's spot and can't play any other position.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 27, 2008 at 03:37 PM
I hate Red Sox fans there the biggest dumba$$e$. They actually think anyone wants this bumb.
Posted by: yankfan1 | July 27, 2008 at 03:39 PM
I still can't believe that they are actively shopping them he is one of their better hitters right now especially with Ellsbury struggling. Nobody is going to take on that ridiculous contract AND give up premium prospects for him.
Posted by: metsfan | July 27, 2008 at 03:48 PM
What is the weather like in Massholeachewshits today? Are we getting this game in tonight? It's been raining like crazy in Jersey all day.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 27, 2008 at 03:52 PM
I dont understand what is so ridiculous about Manny's contract at this point. It is a one year deal worth 20 mil, whats wrong with that? I would pay 30 or 35 million for Manny for one year of his production. Especially for a big market team, who cares what you pay him, it is a one year deal. That said, it doesnt mean guys like Billingley or Reyes would even be thought of as trade pieces for Manny at this point in his career. But from a strictly monetary standpoint, 1/20 seems like a bargain to me for that bat. I would much prefer to have Manny at 1/20 with another 20mm option then have him locked up for say 3 years at 14 million per year.
Posted by: nrmax88 | July 27, 2008 at 04:34 PM
This kind of turmoil couldn't happen to a more smarmy team and their asswipe fans. A lot of readers on this site give Cubs fans crap, but come on, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is more annoying than "The Nation" and all that garbage regarding the Red Sox. Ugh.
I hope the Yankees keep kicking their ass, and twice on Sundays.
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | July 27, 2008 at 04:45 PM
"I hate Red Sox fans there the biggest dumba$$e$. They actually think anyone wants this bumb."
yankfan1: if you want to call someone a dumba$$, you might want to learn that it's "they're" not "there" and it's "bum" not "bumb". Nice third-grade grammar skills you ignorant tw@t.
Posted by: fapelbon | July 27, 2008 at 05:32 PM
"Dodgers Get:
Manny
Red Sox Get:
Cory Wade
Chad Billingsley
Chin lung Hu (OR) Austin Gallagher"
Do you actually think the Dodgers would give up their best pitcher when they are very much in the thick of a pennant race? Especially when they have their ace from last year still an injury question mark and no one in the minors who is ready this year? I don't think so.
Posted by: AA | July 27, 2008 at 05:51 PM
If only there was a mouth breather filter, this website would far more interesting.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 27, 2008 at 10:12 PM