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7:25pm: Ken Rosenthal confirms it: minor leaguers Ohlendorf, Coke, Kontos, and Tabata. My impression at first glance: the return is not terribly impressive for Nady and Marte. I don't like the idea of the Bucs taking Tabata as the centerpiece - there is too much projection involved with him. If Ohlendorf and Ian Kennedy could've been had, I would've opted for that.
Rosenthal also says the Yankees' talks for Jarrod Washburn are still ongoing.
7:17pm: Baseball Digest Daily says the Pirates will receive Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, and two other minor leaguers (perhaps Phil Coke and George Kontos, based on rumors). SI.com's Jon Heyman is on board with that.
A separate Pirates rumor was squashed tonight - they are not close to trading Jason Bay to the Braves.
6:57pm: Carroll says the Yankees acquired Nady and Marte. The Pirates confirmed that both players have been traded pending physicals, but haven't given details about the recipient or return.
6:46pm: MetsBlog relays an FSN Pittsburgh report that both Nady and Damaso Marte have been traded. Will Carroll says the same.
6:32pm: Xavier Nady was pulled from the Pirates' lineup tonight after one inning. No known injury.
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Ah. I love it when players are pulled from the lineup. So ominous.
Posted by: Stephen Peele | July 25, 2008 at 06:35 PM
This better be fantastic. I really think he got traded.
Posted by: BigBP620 | July 25, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Reid Brignac isn't playing in Durham.
Posted by: SaberToothedPie | July 25, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Brignac not in Durham Bulls lineup, could be a Rays trade.
Posted by: davidsmarch | July 25, 2008 at 06:38 PM
you son of a bitch, you beat me to it.
Posted by: davidsmarch | July 25, 2008 at 06:39 PM
A's for mazzaro/cunningham...horrible deal if true. nady career season. mazzaro/cunningham great seasons in AA, ready early by 09.
look at murton and pre 08 nady stats, much different
nady is a local bay area guy went to cal, thats only thing i see
give me buck/murton/cunningham/robnett/putam/denorfia ...i'd take my chances with those than overpay for nady
Posted by: arly2380 | July 25, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Marte was seen in the dugout hugging players and shaking hands. Not trying to start a rumor, just speculating that he may be on the move as well.
Posted by: timwilliams | July 25, 2008 at 06:41 PM
arly-speculation? link?
Posted by: enchinga | July 25, 2008 at 06:42 PM
I think the rumor mill got a boost when Tim posted that Nady is out of the lineup.
Posted by: nyyfan | July 25, 2008 at 06:43 PM
my sources say its to the yankees...for what i dont know yet
Posted by: uncleixijesse | July 25, 2008 at 06:43 PM
I am watching the Pirates broadcast right now on XtraInnings and the announcers are saying that BOTH Damaso Marte and X-Nady have been traded - but they don't know to who or for what...
Posted by: DonCoburleone | July 25, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Pirates broadcasters confirm Marte and Nady were traded.
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 06:44 PM
The Pirate announcers just said Nady and Marte are involved in a trade but they can't make an official statement until medical review.
Posted by: BucSox | July 25, 2008 at 06:44 PM
So the real question is who is first in line for saves in Pittsburgh now?
Posted by: DonCoburleone | July 25, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Arly2380:
Are you making A's rumors up in a different place?
You are always the Scout Dodgers Board pimping A's.
Posted by: MikeClarke | July 25, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson i hope if it is to the Yankees.
Posted by: BucSox | July 25, 2008 at 06:45 PM
We've got confirmation Tim, GET ON IT!!!
Posted by: DonCoburleone | July 25, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Grawbow is new closer I'd put money on it.
Posted by: BucSox | July 25, 2008 at 06:46 PM
So the real question is who is first in line for saves in Pittsburgh now?
John Grabow, no doubt
Posted by: jesusncleats | July 25, 2008 at 06:47 PM
So, Marte and Nady in 1 deal or 2? Be interesting if Nady is going to Tampa for Brignac + something, given that it would be 2 guys with French names moving for each other.
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 06:47 PM
If its Brignac, a Jack Wilson trade isnt too far away IMO
Posted by: jesusncleats | July 25, 2008 at 06:48 PM
they can have ipk not Ajax
Posted by: uncleixijesse | July 25, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Guess we're about to find out if Huntington is qualified to play GM?
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 06:50 PM
brignac is playing horrible lately
Posted by: arly2380 | July 25, 2008 at 06:52 PM
This is cool, I love the teasing factor in this trade - we know its happened, but who do the Pirates get? The suspense is killing me...
Posted by: DonCoburleone | July 25, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Breaking: Nady and Marte To Yankees.
per wil carrol at BP
Posted by: laxtonto | July 25, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Gotta be the Yankees. Out of my speculation. Who else has been hunting Right-Handed hitting OFer and a lefty for the pen.
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | July 25, 2008 at 06:52 PM
ahhhh....please don't be a bad trade. i've had about 13 years of those.
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 06:53 PM
I'm with you on that Chicago
Posted by: BucSox | July 25, 2008 at 06:54 PM
From Pete Abe's LoHud blog:
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: Not sure what to make of this yet. But Phil Coke pitched an inning for Trenton (striking out the side) then was pulled from the game. Might he be on the move for somebody?
Posted by: stove611 | July 25, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"In-Game Updates (LIVE from the ballpark): Something’s up after the first inning. Eric Wordekemper is already getting loose in the bullpen after Phil Coke rather efficiently struck out the side.
PHIL COKE PULLED FROM START AFTER ONE INNING. Eric Wordekemper in…he didn’t look hurt and the trade deadline is approaching. No clue what’s going on, guys."
http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson i hope if it is to the Yankees."
That would be bad for the Yankees. Kennedy will be good in the bigs. He's been pitching well in Scranton.
Jacknson has been great in Trenton and has a lot of potential.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"That would be bad for the Yankees. Kennedy will be good in the bigs. He's been pitching well in Scranton.
Jacknson has been great in Trenton and has a lot of potential."
Hey I know that would be bad for the Yankees but my two favorite teams are Boston and Pittsburgh so you can see where I would be ok with that.
Posted by: BucSox | July 25, 2008 at 06:58 PM
I'm guessing Kennedy+Coke+no name for Nady+Marte.
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 06:59 PM
Possibly Ohlendorf instead of Kennedy (I hope so).
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 07:00 PM
I wonder who the players involved are? Nady and Marte in one package most assuredly required a pretty decent package of players. Further, where are they going to play Nady? Left?
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 07:01 PM
I think it is great that this site is able to put all the pieces together and yet the big guy network cant get anything on the frontpage.
Good work Tim and everyone else.
Posted by: nyyfan | July 25, 2008 at 07:03 PM
If its Ohlendorf the Yankees just got a gift. God, I hate being a Pirates fan.
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 07:03 PM
"Further, where are they going to play Nady? Left?"
Nady will probably play Left, 1st Base, and DH.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:03 PM
Ohlendorf, Coke, and more is being reported.
Looks like the Yanks might steal this.
Posted by: hallofamer2000 | July 25, 2008 at 07:03 PM
"I think it is great that this site is able to put all the pieces together and yet the big guy network cant get anything on the frontpage.
Good work Tim and everyone else."
I agree. This is a great site they've put together.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:04 PM
I'm hearing possibly Tabata. If Tabata's included, Pirates won. If no Tabata, Yankees won.
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 07:05 PM
The Yankees have given up Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two minor league prospects.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html
Posted by: Ty | July 25, 2008 at 07:05 PM
The Yankees are on the verge of acquiring outfielder Xavier Nady and left-hander Damaso Marte from the Pirates, according to major-league sources.
The deal is pending a review of medical records, sources say. The Pirates will receive a package of four minor-league players, expected to be Class AAA right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, Class AA right-handers Phil Coke and George Kontos and Class AA outfielder Jose Tabata.
Posted by: russell | July 25, 2008 at 07:05 PM
I am NOT liking this trade if these rumors are true.
Ohlendorf, a middle reliever?
Coke, who BP is saying is the the Yankees #24th best pitching prospect? A soft-tossing Lefty?
We need ANOTHER soft-tossing lefty?
This looks terrible so far.
Posted by: cactusbix | July 25, 2008 at 07:05 PM
of course they will ... its the freaking pirates.
Huntington = Littlefield 2.0 if this deal is true.
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 07:06 PM
"I'm hearing possibly Tabata. If Tabata's included, Pirates won. If no Tabata, Yankees won."
Yankees still win. 2+ months of Nady and Marte, along with 4 first (or second round) picks.
Posted by: hallofamer2000 | July 25, 2008 at 07:06 PM
I am NOT liking this trade if these rumors are true.
Ohlendorf, a middle reliever?
Coke, who BP is saying is the the Yankees #24th best pitching prospect? A soft-tossing Lefty?
We need ANOTHER soft-tossing lefty?
This looks terrible so far.
Posted by: cactusbix | July 25, 2008 at 07:06 PM
Im thinking its Ohlendorf, Coke, and someone, not named Melky and Garnder. Reasoning, their in the lineup tonight.
Posted by: yanks26ngoin | July 25, 2008 at 07:08 PM
Its not just two months... do a little research. Marte has an option for next year and Nady has one more year of arb.
These guys are not rentals so this is an AWFUL deal for Pittsburgh.
Posted by: ChicagoBucco | July 25, 2008 at 07:11 PM
When will they make the deal offical. I know ther're waiting for medical results, but how long does that usually take?
Anyone?
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:15 PM
This is probably the worst thing that could have happened. Marte with a cheap option next year and I think was probably gone but still would have entertained the idea of staying. I have to concur with the soft tossing lefty comment. Its a say day in Pittsburgh
Posted by: scoops420 | July 25, 2008 at 07:16 PM
Ohlendorf, Kantos, Coke and Tabata
Posted by: johnnyC | July 25, 2008 at 07:20 PM
Is Tabata still that highly regarded?
Posted by: johnnyC | July 25, 2008 at 07:20 PM
We can't even pull an Ian Kennedy in this deal??
Posted by: PNChopeful | July 25, 2008 at 07:24 PM
"Is Tabata still that highly regarded?"
Slow year, but he is only 19 despite being in his 4th year of minor league experience. Actually profiles similarly to McLouth and will probably add power once he fills out.
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 07:25 PM
Newark Star Ledger is rumoring that 4th player is Ian Kennedy, not Kantos
Posted by: hank4994 | July 25, 2008 at 07:25 PM
**** this trade. thats why we will always be the pirates!! we couldnt even get any legit prospects?????
Posted by: The Sobesman | July 25, 2008 at 07:26 PM
"Newark Star Ledger is rumoring that 4th player is Ian Kennedy, not Kantos"
If they pulled Kennedy along with the other 3, this deal is a coup for the Pirates. Kontos himself has some nice upside, but Kennedy can help them right now.
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 07:28 PM
Jose Tabata - Double A Trenton
.248 AVG, 3 HR, 36 RBI, 10 SB 79 Games
Ross Ohlendorf - Triple A Scranton
4.03 ERA, 1-1, 22.1 IP, 25 SO
Phil Coke - Double A Trenton
2.60 ERA, 9-6, 114.1 IP, 109 SO
George Kontos - Double A Trenton
3.77 ERA, 3-9, 107.1 IP, 103 SO
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:31 PM
if i hear there's cash coming to Pittsburgh in this deal i swear to god i'm going to self-immolate in front of the Stargell statue.
Posted by: enriqueromo | July 25, 2008 at 07:32 PM
I am not seeing Kennedy in the Star-Ledger report...
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/07/new_york_yankees_to_acquire_pi.html
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | July 25, 2008 at 07:32 PM
V, is right, if Tabata is in on the deal then the Pirates win, if not the Yankees win. Tabata may have injury problems but he's gonna be a star.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 25, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Huntingdon...Littlefield...Coonelly...Bonifay...is there a difference?? Doesn't look like it. I've been to 12 bucco games this year, was planning on going tuesday and wednesday, but this really frustrates me.
Posted by: The Sobesman | July 25, 2008 at 07:33 PM
I have to say, if it's the four guys named in the post I am not impressed with the return. Would've passed on Tabata and hunted for a high probability young pitcher. Someone had to be offering one.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | July 25, 2008 at 07:35 PM
Since Brignac isn't in the lineup for Durham, maybe this is signaling a Rays Trade as well. Maybe for Street? I don't know, I'm almost positive more people will be moved tonight though.
Posted by: Morgasm | July 25, 2008 at 07:35 PM
Again, don't assume Kennedy is included until you see a link to an article from a solid journalist. Don't have that at present.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | July 25, 2008 at 07:36 PM
It was in there when i posted link -- must've changed it.
Posted by: hank4994 | July 25, 2008 at 07:36 PM
Anyone want to take a guess if the Pirates hurt themselves by asking too much from other teams and driving out a lot of the competition for their guys? I can't imagine anyone complaining if this was all it took to get both Nady and Marte. I have no idea if that's the case, but it certainly seems like a possibility.
I also had to laugh at the return the Pirates got on both Nady and Marte after the proposed deal ChicagoBucco was laying out last night...seriously, the Braves top 2 pitching prospects and two other good pitching prospects for Nady, when in reality they couldn't net nearly as much from both Nady and Marte.
Posted by: nixa37 | July 25, 2008 at 07:37 PM
Personally, I love this trade. Tabata hasn't really performed well lately. Sure, he's 19 years old, but I'd rather have Nady and Marte for at least this year and next.
Posted by: Cody | July 25, 2008 at 07:37 PM
we needed a legit pitcher (kennedy), not guys with 'upside'. we always trade for upside, and these guys could/should be good, but they are NOT worth nady/marte and the draft picks they may bring. congratulations NY on making 'the real deal neil' your bitch. END OF STORY.
Posted by: The Sobesman | July 25, 2008 at 07:37 PM
"Again, don't assume Kennedy is included until you see a link to an article from a solid journalist. Don't have that at present."
The Pirates website mentions Ohlendorf/Coke/Tabata/Kontos. Then again, I don't consider Rosenthal a solid journalist ;-)
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 07:38 PM
"Its not just two months... do a little research. Marte has an option for next year and Nady has one more year of arb.
These guys are not rentals so this is an AWFUL deal for Pittsburgh."
$6M is WAY too much to pay for 1 year of a reliever. He'll be offered arbitration, and the Yanks'll take the two picks.
And Tim - TYPEKEY SUCKS! Every time I post, two-three posts work, then I get locked out with errors until I sign out and back in.
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 07:38 PM
What, no Kei Igawa? Maybe the Pirates didn't do so badly after all. At least, that's what I'll tell myself...
Posted by: Monsterface | July 25, 2008 at 07:40 PM
I don't think the Yankees are planning on dealing Kennedy before the deadline. They've had several chances to do so.
Posted by: V | July 25, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Yankees operate on a different budgeting system than most teams. Considering $5MM Farnsworth is coming off the books, $6MM Marte isn't that bad of an option.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 25, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Great trade for the Yankees. Don't understand the Pirates' point of view. I think they'd get a better set of players if they waited on the draft picks for Nady and Marte.
Posted by: Playwright | July 25, 2008 at 07:43 PM
This trade lives and dies with Tabata because the other stuff is filler.
The only problem is Yankees always overhype and overvalue their prospects. That's why they always have to buy/trade for the Giambi's and A-Rod's..their farm system isn't actually that great at developing talent.
So, yeah, the fact we got "FUTURE SUPERSTAR!!! Top 3 Yankee prospect!" Tabata isn't as good as it seems to me.
Hope I'm wrong but this is a depressing day in Buccoland.
Posted by: cactusbix | July 25, 2008 at 07:45 PM
You really think scouts base their assessments off what the Yankees tell them to say? Maybe 20 years ago, not anymore. He's a projectable teenager; some pan out and some don't. We shall see.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 25, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Well looks like .500 is definatley out of reach for the rest of the decade...in happier news the real pittsburgh team reports in 2 days...thank god there is a light at the end of the tunnel till at least Feb.
Posted by: runbus36 | July 25, 2008 at 07:51 PM
"Hope I'm wrong but this is a depressing day in Buccoland."
You say depressing, but it's not like the Pirates were doing good with Nady and Marte. So it's not like they can get any worse.
I know they got the lesser end of the deal, but at least you got some players who might be able to help in the future.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:52 PM
The Yankees filled two holes without giving up Hughes, Kennedy, Austin Jackson, or Jesus Montero. That's a good trade for them. Tabata's stock has dropped dramatically this year, and while he's an interesting buy-low guy, this doesn't mesh with reports that the Pirates were expecting a ton in return for Nady.
Posted by: aap212 | July 25, 2008 at 07:52 PM
I thought the Pirates' asking price for their players were really high.
And yet the Yankees of all teams manage to not give up that much for both Marte and Nady? Blah.
Posted by: TheMainEvent | July 25, 2008 at 07:53 PM
This is me sitting in a bath tub slitting my wrists...if this is any indication of NH's skills we are in for another 15 years of sucking
Posted by: Drufan11 | July 25, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Any news on the Rays' Brignac???
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 07:59 PM
another case of a team sitting down and giving up their a list players for trash from the yankees. tabata is all potential and ohlendorf sucks yet you give up your right field hitting .330 and your closer.
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 25, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Give the trade time to pan out.
That said, it is hard to see how this trade equates to a corner being turned for the Bucs.
Posted by: JMC420 | July 25, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Whoa there CSIZZL3. Nady isn't A-List. Nady is a marginal starting corner player having a career year. Bay is A-List. Nady is a sell-high guy.
Posted by: aap212 | July 25, 2008 at 08:06 PM
i agree... just give it time. any trade with prospects is not a sure thing. 2 years from now all 4 guys could be very good major leaguers or highly ranked prospects and we'll be saying what a great deal NH made. or they could all bust. who knows. this deal will not make or break NH, both nady and marte were not part of the pirates future. now trading bay for a poor return would break NH.
Posted by: BuccoBrigade | July 25, 2008 at 08:06 PM
BuccoBrigade- agreed on the Bay comment. And Go Bucs. Down 6-4 in the 8th...but this year has been all about the 9th inning comeback, so we've got'em right where we want'em.
Side note- as for the closer of the Pirates- I don't see Grabow assuming that role- he's the default setup guy. My guess is Tyler Yates or Russell will go to whomever he feels most comfortable that night.
Posted by: JMC420 | July 25, 2008 at 08:12 PM
so much for huntington asking too much....but then again, he might have simply overplayed his hand and could no longer get the return he was hoping for or anything near it. as tim said, i would have liked to see them go after a pitcher with good upside. and certainly they could have gotten a better return elsewhere. not a good night for pirates fans. btw, yates has the stuff to close, but he has a history of control issues as i'm sure pirates fans have witnessed. he will likely get a shot.
Posted by: jacklaf | July 25, 2008 at 08:18 PM
New Yankee Lineup
Damon-DH
Jeter-SS
Abreu-RF
A-Rod-3B
Giambi-1B
Nady-LF
Cano-2B
Cabrera-CF (should consider trading)
Molina-C (should bring in someone else)
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 08:20 PM
rays have to respond
street/murton for brignace + 3 prospets is the deal to make
everyone compare the pre 08 nady to murton...stats are not much different
Posted by: arly2380 | July 25, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Actually, Yankees should keep Melky. Moving him could make Cano unhappy.
But they do need to find a catcher.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Good call arly. The Rays need to make a move to prove that they are now buyers and not sellers, and that they are in it to win it ALL.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 08:25 PM
You guys need to quit your whining! I am a huge Bucs fan, and I think you guys are completely over valuing Nady and Marte. This is the first really good season he has had in his first 5 seasons! Marte has been excellent for us, but he is a reliever after all. As far as Ian Kennedy goes, if the Twins couldn't net him for Santana then you can't realistically think you are going to get him for Nady and Marte! This is actually a very good trade I think. The number 3 and 9 prospects plus 2 rising pitchers is a good haul. By the way, Ohlendorf is not a middle reliever he is a starter with a 97 MPH sinker. Plus you guys need to look at the stats for both Coke and Kontos. They are pitching outstanding with almost 1K per inning. Again, I think Huntington did a fine job here.
Posted by: pen76 | July 25, 2008 at 08:30 PM
Whoa, I'm shocked, I knew it was goin to happen but i was possitive Kenedy was goin to get traded.
Too bad, i liked Ross but the Yanks had to give him up. Dont worry Bucs fans Ross wil be solid and Tabata will turn out okay.
As a yankee fan I'll be the first to say this guarantees the Yankees NOTHING. I'm not saying there definently goin to the playoffs now just cause they got a few guys. alot could happen in 80 days. They need there whole offense to start going.
Posted by: yankfan1 | July 25, 2008 at 08:36 PM
By the way, Kontos and Coke have very good numbers. Coke is 26 though but George "The GreeK" is 23.
Posted by: yankfan1 | July 25, 2008 at 08:39 PM
One question I have is why an outfielder? Tabata is good, but they have their outfield set with Bay/McCutcheon/McLouth. Perhaps they see Tabata as Bay's long term replacement?
"Molina-C (should bring in someone else)"
Molina is fine. With the staff they have, they need a guy who handles pitchers well, and Molina's bat control makes him valuable in the 9 slot.
Posted by: AA | July 25, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Well said pen76.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | July 25, 2008 at 08:41 PM