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Kemp appears to be overrated because the way the Dodgers have handled him. Not only limited his PA's, and potentially his development, but their staunch no trade mindset has forced other clubs to view Kemp has some sort of untouchable beast.
In reality he's a solid solid RFer with a chance to be very very good.
Posted by: Meoveryouok | July 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Man I wish we could edit/delete posts.
Posted by: Meoveryouok | July 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM
In respone to the "best and worst trades", not sure how you cannot include Adrian Gonzalez, Chris Young for Aki Otsuka and Adam Eaton.
This trade gace the Padres an All-Star caliber first baseman for years to come and a solid #2 pitcher, while the Rangers have not kept either player.
Kevin Towers mugged Texas.
Posted by: SanDiegoGuy | July 11, 2008 at 10:49 AM
I can't imagine Beane can get too much for Blanton at this point. He just doesn't miss enough bats, and I wonder if Beane regrets not trading him this winter.
Posted by: scatterbrian | July 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Oh, and just wanna say I love the American Apparel banners....
Posted by: scatterbrian | July 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM
the cards dont need blanton. we have 4 starters but in a month(givr or take) we will have 6. lefty reliever and an impact bat.
Posted by: Joelcards | July 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM
"In reality he's a solid solid RFer with a chance to be very very good."
There is the first mistake. Kemp isn't a RF, he is a CF who is playing RF because they spent poorly on Jones. Sort of like Ethier is a RF playing LF because they had to move Kemp to RF. That said, the Dodgers probably have the best throwing outfield in the majors (through rivaled by any combination of Angels outfielders) with that group playing.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Wow, I can't believe how poor that trades list is. The Dodgers clearly came out better with that trade than this guy is saying. Penny became their ace, Choi hit for very respectable power the next season and LoDuca , who was already 32 years old, had Russell Martin breathing down his neck anyway and was already suspected to be a bit of a clubhouse GH guru which could have only caused problems. In the end, the Dodgers cleared the way for their best home grown player since Mike Piazza and got Penny out of it, who has generally pitched well for the Dodgers, if not this year, which is 4 years later.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Zambrano for Kazmir is my pick for worst trade this century. Zambrano won 10 games in parts of 3 seasons for the Mets. Kazmir has won 42 games since joining TB.
Posted by: XD23 | July 11, 2008 at 12:24 PM
"he Dodgers clearly came out better with that trade than this guy is saying. Penny became their ace, Choi hit for very respectable power the next season and LoDuca , who was already 32 years old, had Russell Martin breathing down his neck anyway and was already suspected to be a bit of a clubhouse GH guru which could have only caused problems. In the end, the Dodgers cleared the way for their best home grown player since Mike Piazza and got Penny out of it, who has generally pitched well for the Dodgers, if not this year, which is 4 years later."
I was thinking the same thing about that trade. I mean c'mon, what'd LA give up that really would accomplish anything after the trade? Lo Duca was solid in Florida but he broke down quickly and wasn't the long term solution in LA anyways. Encarnacion was a nice player but he always seemed to waste most of his skills. He really didn't produced as much as his talent indicated he should have. And Mota pretty much fell apart after leaving Los Angeles, so really the Marlins didn't get all that much value out of that trade.
The Dodgers ended up with the best player anyways in Penny, a guy who has fronted their rotation since the trade and has actually been quite good. Choi really never panned out like he was supposed to but he did post a .789 OPS in his final season in the majors, which was the season after the trade in LA.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Some team out there is gonna get desperate and overpay for Joe Blanton. I suspect the Mets.
Posted by: smhg30 | July 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Encarnacion did seem to be coming into his own before that terrible beaning that ended his career, but his value was pretty low as a Dodger and he had players coming up behind him too, particularly Kemp, who the Dodgers were just figuring out.
Still, Penny was by far the best player in that deal and even Murphy was of use, as he was part of the Steve Finley deal that helped the Dodgers get to the playoffs that year.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Hey guys, for what its worth, someone who works for the A's allegedly saw Huston Street get told to clean out his locker after Thursday game.
All random hearsay but we all know hoe Beane never pulls 1 move and then sits (Hudson+Mulder, Haren+Swisher+Kotsay)
Posted by: Athletic Domination | July 11, 2008 at 01:28 PM
Honestly, I will never understand why people bashed--and continue to bash--that Dodgers trade. That was a great move by DePodesta, and it cost him his job. Insane.
Posted by: Pawtucket Pat | July 11, 2008 at 01:30 PM
"Some team out there is gonna get desperate and overpay for Joe Blanton. I suspect the Mets."
Mets don't need starting pitching They're pitching staff has come together and been throwing great recently. They need a corner outfielder who has power.
Posted by: willie randolph sucks | July 11, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Yeah the Mets are going to be looking for offense, not pitching. I still think Nady or Randy Winn makes a lot of sense. I guess Kearns could too but Bowden always seems to ask for a ton for his players, and Kearns is one of his favorites, despite generally subpar performance. I mean c'mon, the guy is batting .199 this year. He really shouldn't cost the Mets much at all, but I suspect the Nationals would ask for a legitimately good prospect.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 11, 2008 at 01:38 PM
"Honestly, I will never understand why people bashed--and continue to bash--that Dodgers trade. That was a great move by DePodesta, and it cost him his job. Insane."
That move didn't cost him his job, the Dodgers' terrible 2005 did. DePodesta screwed the pooch on replacing Jim Tracy and was massively unpopular in Los Angeles, which means something when your team still makes money the old school way, at the ticket gate. Anyone ever look at that roster? Drew missed half the season, Kent was the biggest offensive producer and who the hell is Jason Phillips? I realize DePodesta did a great job rebuilding the farm and did it in a way that incorporated both Moneyball and old school theories in a great way. Nonetheless, the team wasn't winning and he was hated by the fans and the notoriously soft L.A. sports media. He had to go.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 01:53 PM
It's interesting Carrasco said he didn't want to be traded. This is the first time in years I'm legitimately excited over the Phillies at the deadline.
Posted by: JohnKruksWaistLine | July 11, 2008 at 02:00 PM
I agree whole-heartedly with a lot of the posts here.
The Giants/Twins trade was not great, but not the worst in the last 10 years. Pierzynski was a below average defensive catcher who swung at everything and was a cancer in the clubhouse and the Twins were trying to dump him to make room for Mauer anyway. That they got ANYTHING of value for him is outstanding for them. It's interesting how things played out, though, since Bonser was the highest rated player coming to the Twins in that deal. Hmm, and the knock on Liriano was not his talent, but his injury history.
The Dodgers/Marlins trade was most definitely in LA's favor. Totally agreed there. Not a fan favorite, though, for the most part.
The Aramis Ramirez trade should be #1 on this list by far. My gosh, that was awful ... and it was not better for the Pirates at the time, either. Yuck. The Cubs have their corner IF's set for 10 years with All-Stars at both for pennies on the dollar in terms of talent.
And I agree about the Padres/Rangers trade. I would have that on this list, too. San Diego is to Relief Pitchers what Colorado is to hitters in terms of value.
Posted by: AJ | July 11, 2008 at 03:01 PM
"The Giants/Twins trade was not great, but not the worst in the last 10 years. Pierzynski was a below average defensive catcher who swung at everything and was a cancer in the clubhouse and the Twins were trying to dump him to make room for Mauer anyway. That they got ANYTHING of value for him is outstanding for them. It's interesting how things played out, though, since Bonser was the highest rated player coming to the Twins in that deal. Hmm, and the knock on Liriano was not his talent, but his injury history."
Nathan is, by far, the best player from that trade. However, I do agree with the assessment that it wasn't a bad deal then, and really hasn't been that bad now either. Liriano is amazingly talented, but I don't know if he will ever overcome the injuries. Bonser is also a talented guy, but he is starting to look like a 5th starter or swingman these days.
I do agree that the Edmonds trade was incredibly stupid, especially considering how popular he was in L.A./Anaheim, but Kennedy did play a huge role in the World Series win.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 04:20 PM
"Zambrano for Kazmir is my pick for worst trade this century. Zambrano won 10 games in parts of 3 seasons for the Mets. Kazmir has won 42 games since joining TB."
I submit a 22-year-old Jeff Bagwell for a 37-year-old rental in Larry Andersen. Bagwell went on to put up a .297/.408/.540/449 HR/1529 RBI line for the Astros. Andersen pitched very well for the Red Sox down the stretch -- for 22 innings -- before skipping town.
Posted by: DunkinDonuts | July 11, 2008 at 06:02 PM
"I submit a 22-year-old Jeff Bagwell for a 37-year-old rental in Larry Andersen."
That trade didn't happen this century. Think about it ;-)
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 07:32 PM
On the bad trade front, how about Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles? Perez could have been an incredibly formidable number 2 for Peavy and Bay certainly is better than Giles.
Posted by: AA | July 11, 2008 at 07:53 PM