Odds and Ends: Bedard, Hudson, Inoa, Varitek

Wouldn't the ripple effect be, "get lost" Varitek?

I wonder if Varitek would be open to a similar deal that Wakefield has with the team (a team option every year at the same $). I'm sure his agent, Boras, wouldn't go anywhere near something like this, but considering where he is in his career, it could be something he himself brings up. Because the Sox aren't offering more than 2 yrs to Tek.

Just an idea that the "Captain" might be open to.

Everytime I look at the Bedard trade it just gets better and better. I never liked anything about Bedard besides his stuff since he came up. His injury record was shotty and he had a bad attitude. Now that I look again Bedard has been hurt half the year and ineffective and a cry baby when he is. Jones is hitting .280 and his power numbers are starting to go up. His speed is rediculous and coupled with Markakis and Roberts could create a formidable 1-2-3 hitter combination. And Sherrill has been excellent and is a viable trade chip. Tillman has achieved the best pitcher in the Orioles system. And now not only is Bedard hurt they can't trade him or get anything back for him. O's fans like me have to love every bit of this trade as well as the Tejada trade.

I think offering Varitek a 2 year deal at 6 mil per is a fair offer. With the wear and tear on his body he has shown this year its hard to expect him to bounceback much. A deal of this size would allow the Sox to keep their captain. If in the second year of the deal he is getting worse, it would be possible to use him in more of a backup role, albeit an expensive one.

With all that said, I see Boras looking for more of a 2yr/20mil deal for Tek.

I gotta think that Rockies' fans will be disappointed if all they can get is Sanchez plus some. I doubt that's what it'll be, but I'm just saying that appears to be a possibility now.

As a Yankees fan, I'd be kinda p!ssed if they gave up Sanchez. He's a 6'8 250 kid who throws 98 mph! He's done his rehab and throwing in A ball to tune up. I'd like to see him in the Show in Sept rather than in a Rox uni for a rental....even though they need a good lefty.

Actually, maybe Sanchez is part of a package to a bigger deal that includes Holliday? That's purely a guess before the internet roid ragers come out. Would make more sense that way, that's all.

Why would it make more sense for Sanchez to be part of a Holliday deal?

I would understand if you were talking about Phil Hughes, hell even Ian Kennedy, but not Sanchez..

Sanchez simply isn't on the level of the other guys that Colorado asked for. I mean he's got talent, but he's already 25 and hasn't pitched consistently since mid-2006. He's just simply not the prospect that his talent once made him.

No doubt in my mind that I would give up Sanchez for Fuentes.

I think I disagree with 90% of the things you say jjyankeesfan2. I think Sanchez is exactly the type of prospect that should be traded in a Fuentes deal. You must also consider the draft picks NYY would receive, along with with a few months of a very good lefty RP. I doubt Sanchez alone would net them Fuentes. Sanchez would be more of a throw-in in a Matt Holliday deal.

Scribble and UConn....both of you interpret only what you think will cause an argument. Did I say that I expected Sanchez to be a CENTERPIECE for a Holliday deal?? NOOOO. I just said it would make sense if he was PART of a Holliday deal. Why? Unlike you two, I AM a Yankees fan...do a lot of reading about them and I know the way they FEEL about certain guys. Unless Sanchez has regressed greatly, they really have high hopes for this kid...saying earlier in the year that he may "be this years Joba". If that is their opinion, do you expect to give him up for a RENTAL when there are other options out there? AH, no.

"he's already 25 and hasn't pitched consistently since mid-2006" -

That is because he had Tommy John surgery!! He's been out most of that time.

Going back to my earlier idea that started a sh!t storm from the Yankee-hating faithful....would Kennedy, H Sanchez, Tabata and either Austin Romine or Chris Britton for Holliday and Fuentes be out of the question? Both of them are great players, but Fuentes is up and NOT resigning with the Rox and Holliday is up next year and will command sick money that the Rox may or may not be willing to shell out. Kennedy could go into the rotation...Sanchez has closer potential so he could replace Fuentes....Tabata could replace Holliday's spot in 2 years and Britton could be in anyone's pen right now.

I really hope H. Sanchez doesn't get traded. He needs to be NY. Raised in the BX, he needs to be part of his new stadium. A lot of you are forgetting, he was the center piece of the Gary Sheff trade. Would you give up G. Sheff (eating up the contract) and Keneddy for Marte...

"do you expect to give him up for a RENTAL when there are other options out there? AH, no. "

You must consider draft picks in any trade scenario when evaluating it. Sanchez has a live arm but lets take off your Yankees colored glasses and evaluate it on the talents in the trade. If the Yankees really want to make a push for the postseason this year, 2 monthes of Fuentes and some draft picks for Sanchez/+ is not unreasonable.

"Scribble and UConn....both of you interpret only what you think will cause an argument. Did I say that I expected Sanchez to be a CENTERPIECE for a Holliday deal?? NOOOO"

The way it was written, it seemed you were implying that there was no way Sanchez could have been involved in a trade to Colorado unless Holliday was headed to NY. I would say most would interpret it the same way Scribble and I did.

"Scribble and UConn....both of you interpret only what you think will cause an argument."

Well no I just disagree with almost everything you say. My logic greatly differs with yours.

See thats the thing though. You're basing your opinions off of how the Yankees value players. You need to realize how other teams value your players.

Other teams value Kennedy as a 4/5 starter with 3 upside now, Tabata has shown a lot of immaturity and you need to get it into your head that he's not an elite OF prospect anymore, Sanchez is a good prospect but guys like him aren't all that uncommon, and Romine is a solid catching prospects.

All of those guys are good young players, but none of them is the elite stud that the Rockies HAVE TO GET BACK for Matt Holliday.

The discussion would start with one of Hughes or Jackson, and that's just the way it would be with Holliday.

"Did I say that I expected Sanchez to be a CENTERPIECE for a Holliday deal?? NOOOO. I just said it would make sense if he was PART of a Holliday deal. Why? Unlike you two, I AM a Yankees fan...do a lot of reading about them and I know the way they FEEL about certain guys."

I'm not really sure what this means.

BTW, Sanchez is making a great recovery from TJ. He is already throwing 95MPH with sinking action. They say that pitchers coming out of TJ when recovered fully will throw faster. He was at 95-96 before TJ. So I'll expect for him to throw consistently at 95MPH with a high of 98MPH.

Thank you for reinforcing my point NYY Fan!

The non-Yankees fans that comment on our prospects THINK they have a clue, but half of them have proven they don't even know how to correctly read a baseball card.

No trade for Sanchez!!! GO VEGAS!!!

"The non-Yankees fans that comment on our prospects THINK they have a clue, but half of them have proven they don't even know how to correctly read a baseball card."

Yeah those god damn non-Yankee fans!! Did you ever think that maybe the only reason that Yankee fans are your allies is because a lot of your comments are extremely Yankee-centric?

And yeah its true I dont know how to read a baseball card. But I do know how to read a scouting report from an unbiased source. And I prefer his opinion over yours.

I've been reading MLBTR for a while. Following up on trades and stuff. I'm a big time Yankees fan and Sanchez is a good friend of mine and he really likes pitching for NY. As a Yanks & Friend, I hope he doesn't get trade. He has a much better future w/ NY. with his determination and hard work ethics, I'm pretty sure he will be in NY bullpen no later than Sept.

AGAIN UConn....as a fan, I know what the Yankees brass THINKS of certain players....a guy Cashman was billing as possibly "this years JOBA" is NOT someone that HE would want to trade for a rental...even a GOOD rental.

In case you and Scribble missed it...the Yankees are NOT giving up prospects for vets like they used to...even when warranted like in a Santana, Haren or Sabathia trade. When I'm thinking out loud with these deals, I am thinking of whom Yankees MANAGEMENT would offer given the current state of the team, using Cash's new philosophy and remembering whom he is extremely fond of or deems expendable....not JJYankeesfan's top deals of the week.

Do you two slapheads finally understand this concept????

PS - I couldn't care less if you and Scribble agree or disagree with me "90%" of the time. Your combined baseball IQ's are equal to a girl scouts. Scribble isn't even smart enough to properly read a stat sheet, as exhibited earlier.

PSS - Scribble, I am calling you out on the stat incident again because I don't appreciate someone questioning my character on a F*cking baseball chatboard. You trying to antagonize further is just making it worse.

Jeez the conversations on this site are getting embarrassing. Did you really need to call me dumber than a girl scout? You're just kinda being a dick..

And see, by thinking out loud about your ideas, you're leaving other people the right to disagree with you. Thats what I'm doing. I never insulted you. I simply continually said that I don't appreciate your opinions or the logic you use to make them. I didn't make personal insults at your intelligence. Maybe you should just chill out and rip a bowl or something..

NYY FAN - I agree with you. He will be a SEPT call up and a dangerous one at that. If he's throwing 95 already, he will be up to 98-99 by Sept. Contrary to what other brilliant baseball fans on this page seem to think....those types of arms do NOT grow on trees.

Scribble - see my post above you last one for clarification.

I'm getting the odd feeling that if I was a Yankee fan and I agreed with everything you said you'd be on your knees right now craving my cock..

Since your obviously oblivious....I was referring to the TWO posts where you boastfully called me a LIAR...when all along, you just misread the flippin card. When you call someone's character into this, it WILL get personal.

Secondly, again, I don't give a rats arse if you agree or not...especially since you STILL don't get the point!! My point AGAIN...is that if you are a Yankees FAN...and you know what Cashman's thought process is right now...and what HE thinks of individual players...you would have the knowledge to know what would make sense to HIM and what will not. I am throwing ideas out that would make sense to HIM....not me. I don't run the freakin team. I'm throwing out things that I'm pretty sure he'd go for...and saying no to the type of things he has ALREADY said no to. It's common sense...again...if you read all the Yankee articles and listened to the man speak. If you're not a fan, you'd have no reason to...but then don't call me nuts when you just don't know better. THAT is the point.

@ jjyankeesfan2

1. Do you have special insight into the organization that is not available through published material? Many readers here can open the Post or the Times and read the sports section the same way you do. Please tell us how you have insight into the inner workings of Brian Cashman's mind. Is it simply because you live in a zip code close to Yankee stadium?

2. Your comment about Yankee philosophy changing is true. They have shifted dramatically away from trading young talent. However, just because they change the way they do business doesn't mean that other teams are willing to except crap offers. We saw that with Johan. The Yankees held firm, not willing to up their offer. And guess what - the Twins traded Johan to a different team. If you don't put a competitive offer on the table you won't get a deal done.

3. Look at the rumored deals. Take the post about what the Rockies were after from the Angels for JUST Holliday. Adenhart (top pitching prospect), Wood (top positional player prospect), Kendrick (career OPS of almost 1000 in the minors - posting an 850 OPS in his first full year) and Santana or Saunders (both in the All-Star game this year). Please tell me how your deal even begins to approach the asking price for Colorado?

Finally, you can't take things too personally around here. People have theories and ideas. If you float them out loud expect to hear feedback. Some feedback will be positive and some will be critical. Realize that if you are making an argument and the only people agreeing with you have "yankees" in their screen name that probably indicates that the deal is a little one sided. Most of us really try to see things from various perspectives. It gets a little frustrating when fans significantly overvalue their talent and belittle the talent of others.

jjyankeesfan, I completely understand you're angle.

You're trying to throw out there trade proposals that Brian Cashman and the Yankees would make.

The problem is that the other team in the trade would almost never do any of the trades you propose.

What I'm trying to say is that in all of your proposed trades, the Yankees essentially dominate every deal..

I mean yeah, it makes sense to Hendry to trade Cedeno, Pie and Ceda for Felix Hernandez, but I'm not getting the feeling that it's gonna happen..

As enthralling as this convo is, I have more work to do. Later~

JJ...I don't see a need to be insulting anyone on a board. I rarely post comments on this thing, and the only reason I'm posting is because it involved Sanchez. I'm not a hater like most other non Yankees fans are. I don't hate Boston or Mets as much as I hate their fans. I simpathize for both teams, not the fans. One of my good friends is a Red Sox fans, and we have the BEST and most educated conversations about each others team, w/o insulting each other and giving credit where its due.

As big of a Yank fan as I am, I'd like to see Humbe stay w/ the Yanks, regardless if we get someone better.

Cashman made some trades, and I believe he will stick by Humbe's side and let him prove himself. He will not let him go until at least giving him a chance to prove himself.

The same thing w/ Hughes, if there was ever a chance of trading your number 1 prospect, it should have been made for the #1 pitcher, Santana.

I'm not regretting the non trade here, but

but...if we did not trade Hughes for Santana, he has to stay and prove he is the #1 prospect he once was.

Scribble, you're exactly right!! However, he may toss things out there that we may not all agree on. I just read that the Nats wanted Bowden AND Lowrie for Rauch. Any Sox fan (and even me as a Yankees fan) thinks that's silly. Instead, they settled for ONLY Bonifico. (scracth head) So you never know. What you and I deliberate on or disagree on, may be someone else best deal.

Two years ago, it would have been a no-brainer for Cash to pay whatever for a Santana, CC, Harden, etc. We don't have any of them. He's gonna offer what he thinks he can deal and if not he (unfortunately) sticks. I personally would rather see him step up to the plate more recently...however, I would go after different fish.

NYY - I'm not a fan of the insults either. I was reacting to an earlier convo where I was insulted... that you were not here for and didn't read.

To attest to what I've just said, take the all star game. I was not in agreement with the constant booing of papelbum. Yes, I agreed for him to get booed upon his entrance because of his comments and the uniform he wears, however, not througout the innings. WHY? because at the time, he was part of the AL team, he was protecting a one run lead. Had he protected the run lead, Mo would have gotten the save in the last year at Yankees stadium and break the record of Saves in an all start game w/ 4.

"However, just because they change the way they do business doesn't mean that other teams are willing to except crap offers. We saw that with Johan. The Yankees held firm, not willing to up their offer. And guess what - the Twins traded Johan to a different team. If you don't put a competitive offer on the table you won't get a deal done".

BJ - THAT is exactly my point!! Unfortunately, that IS the new philosophy and that's why I said I could see those types of offers...whether they get it done or not. Thank you for getting it.

"Finally, you can't take things too personally around here"

I generally never do...until a certain incident occurs with someone who takes it to a personal leverl... which happened earlier in the day...way before this convo. I was reacting to that, but thanx for the lecture.

I really do have to roll...but before I do, I will apologize for my part of the name calling. Not usually my style.

Also, to further what is now OUR point...why do you think the Yanks are going after the likes of Washburn, Sexson, Arroyo, etc? It's because Cash is so obsessed with his prospects, he's NOT stepping up to the plate and offering what it takes to get a stud at the moment. Maybe as the deadline gets closer he may...but I'm not holding my breath for a Holliday deal...unless the Rox take a package of talent that he specifically deems expendable...which would mean quanity over a Phil Hughes.

Goodnight~

""However, just because they change the way they do business doesn't mean that other teams are willing to except crap offers. We saw that with Johan. The Yankees held firm, not willing to up their offer. And guess what - the Twins traded Johan to a different team. If you don't put a competitive offer on the table you won't get a deal done".

BJ - THAT is exactly my point!! Unfortunately, that IS the new philosophy and that's why I said I could see those types of offers...whether they get it done or not. Thank you for getting it. "

I'm just utterly confused on why someone would sit on this site and throw out trade proposals that even they didnt think could happen..

I'm shaking my head over that as well. If you just want to suggest fantasy trades then get on your PS3 or X-Box and trade away. Or, go to your fan sites and chat about how the Yankees are the best team ever.

This site is supposed to be focused on intelligent dialog around baseball trades. Just wishing that your team can get a certain player doesn't qualify as a rumor or anything worth reading.

Anyway, I will step out of it now.

In skimming, I noticed one person mentioned how Cashman is in love with the Yankee prospects, as he should. At some point, you have to save money on younger talent, and younger talent can outproduce millionaires. To think that Giambi is making more than the Marlins.

If the Yankees actually made decisions aimed at building from within, while still having the unlimited budget to fill in gaps, they might again win a World Series or two.

Right, idea, but according to Scribblestone, Tabata is no longer a top prospect after having a hammate bone removed before age 19 in the EL and Humberto hasn't done anything in the last 2 years (derr) so his value is nothing and prospects like him come up dime a dozen, so he would just be a throw in. your yankee hate is oozing, guy

I, myself, prefer Cashman's thinking; as Holliday is essentially a 1.38yr rental and will demand market value anyways. and Hughes, Jackson, etc? look to be studs anyways

"Right, idea, but according to Scribblestone, Tabata is no longer a top prospect after having a hammate bone removed before age 19 in the EL and Humberto hasn't done anything in the last 2 years (derr) so his value is nothing and prospects like him come up dime a dozen, so he would just be a throw in. your yankee hate is oozing, guy"

Honestly, you're just putting a lot of words in my mouth. Some of which are just completely wrong.

I said that Tabata's falling down prospect charts due to a lack of production and signs of immaturity, not because he got hurt. Doy.

And Humberto's value really has dropped. He's now already 25 and hasn't yet done anything at the ML level. And it's not clear that he will soon. To me that kind of prospect really is rather dime a dozen, even if his stuff is rather good. I never said he'd be a throw in, but he's far from the centerpiece to a deal for a good player. And don't say OH OH OH what about Sheffield!?!? Sanchez was a far different prospect then than he is now, no need to compare the two. Back then he looked like a stud, before the surgery.

And I'm getting sick of Yankee fans telling me that I hate the Yankees. I try to be about as unbiased as possible. I'm a Cubs fan so I know all about accusations of being a homer and such.

When I make an argument I really do try my best to back it up either with scouting reports or statistical information. If people would just try to read all of my posts rather than just one, they'd notice that maybe my arguments have some pretty good merit. I don't just take stuff from out of my ass, I read a lot of, probably too much, stuff from ESPN, BA, BP, etc.