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Tough news for the Yankees - catcher Jorge Posada is headed back to the DL and is considering season-ending shoulder surgery.
Jose Molina can certainly handle the job in the short-term, but the Yankees may want to replace Posada's bat. Here's a look at the catching market, in case Brian Cashman decides to pursue a trade.
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That 4-year contract he got this winter is looking really good now isn't it?
Posted by: jimmywallaby | July 21, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Molina may actually be the Yankees' best choice if they don't want to give up anything. He is a first rate defensive player, both with his arm and with his handling of pitchers. While he doesn't have much of a bat, he can be effective if used correctly. He has some pop and is a very effective bunter, which works on a team that already has plenty of people who can hit.
Posted by: AA | July 21, 2008 at 03:54 PM
If Matsui and Posada are both out for the rest of the year, is there any way Bonds does NOT sign with the Yankees?
Posted by: cmac1973 | July 21, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I've gotta think Cashman and Jon Daniels are talking. Laird's healthy, Ramirez and Salty are Major League ready and Taylor Teagarden proved yesterday that he can handle the job as well.
Posted by: HaegerChamp | July 21, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Not like there are massive offensive options at this time of year for catcher. It must be good to be Texas right now since they have a surplus of young back stops that can hit.
Posted by: schellis | July 21, 2008 at 03:59 PM
I wish we could DH for the catcher.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 21, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Molina isn't too bad an option. Right now, the rest of the Yankees are heating up and no team possesses a better backup than Molina. He is one of the best, if not, the best defensive catcher and his bat in the Yankees lineup is not the end of the world. The Yankees could match up well with the Rangers having lots of mid range pitching prospects which the Rangers could use.
Posted by: yanksown | July 21, 2008 at 04:02 PM
Personally I think the Yankees would be best served letting Molina go the rest of the way get the kids some innings and build for next year. Either that or make a smaller deal and get someone that could split time with Posada next season but wouldn't cost to much this year.
Posted by: schellis | July 21, 2008 at 04:03 PM
Laird is not healthy right now, he's still on the DL. But I think the Rangers are willing to talk about Laird, Saltalamacchia, Ramirez, or Teagarden if young pitching is involved. The yankees do match up well but havent been willing to trade prospects for Johan so why would they now?
Posted by: txrangers22 | July 21, 2008 at 04:27 PM
"He is one of the best, if not, the best defensive catcher and his bat in the Yankees lineup is not the end of the world."
WTF are you smoking? Hes not even the best defensive catcher in his own family.
He's a backup, and a good one at that, but the Yankees should be looking for a long term catcher, and hope the Posada can take over 1b for them next year.
Posted by: GenesisDoes | July 21, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Nationals currently have 4 catchers on their 25-man roster. Flores obviously isn't going anywhere, but you gotta figure Bowden would take whatever he can get for one of the other 3, especially LoDuca. Of course, that's been said about Bowden and other players in the past...
Posted by: rockstar99 | July 21, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Given that both 1B and DH will likely be open next year, I'd rather see a plus defender brought in for 1B and let Posada DH most days. I get bored of seeing guys out there who have either zero athleticism left (Giambi) or zero skill at playing the position (Betemit).
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 21, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Posada - out for the season
Wang - out for the season
Hughes - out for the season
Matsui - out for the season
And yet the Yankees are still right in it. It will be tough, but the Yankees have been very good in past years at dealing with catastrophic injuries.
Posted by: AndrewYF | July 21, 2008 at 04:36 PM
The Rangers (or anyone else with an available catcher) are in a position to really take advantage of the Yanks. Cashman can talk all he wants about it being a new era where the Yankees horde all their prospects but the reality is if they want a Catcher they are going to have to pony up for one. If not, screw 'em.
Posted by: MickS | July 21, 2008 at 04:36 PM
"WTF are you smoking? Hes not even the best defensive catcher in his own family."
Actually, Jose might just be the best defensive catcher of the 3 Flying Molina Brothers, but he is by far the worst hitter.
Posted by: AA | July 21, 2008 at 04:43 PM
I wonder if the Yankees would have any interest in Jose's brother Bengie. He swings at EVERYTHING and his defense isn't all that great anymore, but he's pretty clutch and is a terrific leader type. Plus, he's under contract for next year too and could split time between C and DH with Posada next year and keep the both of them healthy.
Posted by: cobweb25 | July 21, 2008 at 04:48 PM
Let's not forget the Astros have a little bit of a surplus at the C... Quintero's not a bad catcher, but he's no where near Posada's bat.
Posted by: jatorres | July 21, 2008 at 05:12 PM
"I wonder if the Yankees would have any interest in Jose's brother Bengie. He swings at EVERYTHING and his defense isn't all that great anymore, but he's pretty clutch and is a terrific leader type."
Bengie and Jose loved playing together in Anaheim, and bringing Bengie in would make sense, if only the Giants would let him go. It appears as if they have no interest in trading him. Also, he is FAR better than your post suggests. He has an extremely low K rate, which makes him great on the contact play. Also, he has plenty of power to drive the ball and be a threat. As for his defense, it hasn't gone anywhere. His throwing is hamstrung by his pitchers not being able to hold anyone on base, yet he still throws out a very respectable 33%.
Posted by: AA | July 21, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Its funny because even if Molina is bad at the plate, and even if you get goddamn Onix Conception out of retirement to play SS you could easily negate having those 2 horrendous bats in the lineup BY SIGING BARRY LAMAR BONDS.
I seriously give up if this doesnt happen. Bonds is the only option for the Yankees. Bonds-Arod back to back they will probably score 8 runs a game and play .700 ball from here on out.
Posted by: Athletic Domination | July 21, 2008 at 05:49 PM
What does AJ and Barajas get us?
Posted by: Dev0 | July 21, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Yeah, the Yankees should just make a splash and sign Bonds.
Posted by: cobweb25 | July 21, 2008 at 06:44 PM
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Abreu
3B Arod
1B Giambi
DH Bonds
2B Cano
C Molina
CF Melky
Bn Gardner
Bn Sexson
Posted by: wankstafashizzel | July 21, 2008 at 06:54 PM
The Yankees have NO interest in Bonds and as a fan, neither do I. He's 45 years old, hasn't played all year, his knees are done, he's a total a$$hole and has more bags than Samsonite. FORGET Bonds!!
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 21, 2008 at 07:44 PM
"has more bags than Samsonite."
More like he touches more bags than an airline ramp worker. The OBP alone is worth signing him.
Posted by: AA | July 21, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Anyone know what's going on with Cervelli? Looks like he came back briefly, then went back to the DL?
In Spring Training, he looked like a kid that could help.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 21, 2008 at 08:02 PM
"Actually, Jose might just be the best defensive catcher of the 3 Flying Molina Brothers, but he is by far the worst hitter."
Agreeed that he is the worst hitter since Yadier is hitting over .300 and Bengie has 56 RBI. But by far Yadier is the best defensive brother with his cannon and Bengie is a close second with his two gold gloves. Lets face it, Bengie has the most experience and Yadier has the most talent. Jose is just a backup who is solid defensively. Although good, he's not even close to being better than his brothers.
Posted by: mtzxc | July 21, 2008 at 08:14 PM
That's your OPINION mtzxc.
The FACT:
Jose - 49% (leads MLB).993
Jadie - 35% and .985
Ben - 32% and .994
Jose can't hit like his brothers and overall he may not be as good, but his D is the best of anyone period.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 21, 2008 at 08:29 PM
To the people saying to sign Bonds:
If Bonds had been playing in an independent league, he'd be a great option. But he's been sitting around at home for almost 10 months now. He'd need 4-6 weeks to get in shape to play in the majors. At best Bonds would be a late season boost. He's not the answer now.
Posted by: yanksfan | July 21, 2008 at 09:08 PM
Ok, first off, at least spell Yadier's name right. Secondly, you are basing those stats off of numers that Jose doesn't even qualify for. Third, percentages aren't everything.
Jose Molina: 27 SB allowed, 26 caught in 59 games.
Yadier Molina: 24 SB allowed, 13 caught in 79 games.
Bengie Molina: 38 SB allowed, 18 caught in 82 games.
These numbers show that although Jose may have the best average, runners are less likely to run on Yadier. So in fact, Yadier shuts down the running game and gives himself less chances to raise his CS percentage. Add to that Jose has 6 passed balls compared to Yadier and Bengie at 4 each in that same time frame.
Oh, and in case you want to go the career route with all three, here are there career stats behind the plate:
Jose Molina: 446 games, 25 errors, 991 fielding percentage, 176 SB, 128 CS.
Yadier Molina: 478 games, 26 errors, .991 fielding percentage, 107 SB, 102 CS.
Bengie Molina: 995 games, 40 errors, 994 fielding percentage, 486 SB, 243 CS.
That is a real picture of what their stats are. Bengie is the oldest and most experienced, that is clear cut. Jose is nothing but a lifelong backup who has some decent defensive stats. Yadier is still learning but has proven that he has one of the deadliest arms behind the plate. So yes Jose and Yadier have similar defensive numbers, but Jose has gained these over his entire career. Yadier's career has just begun and he has already met his brother's stats. Thus I still say that Yadier and Bengie are still better defensively than Jose.
Posted by: mtzxc | July 21, 2008 at 09:18 PM
Ok, first off, I was obviously abbreviating his name. DUH. Secondly, he is the best in throwing % this year, period.
Benji is a better overall player and Jadier may be great someday....but Molina is a stud defensive catcher and a great option with Jorge hurt. Not much to debate here dude.
I love how people on here have nothing better to do than argue about senseless bullsh!t!
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 21, 2008 at 09:48 PM
"Jose can't hit like his brothers and overall he may not be as good, but his D is the best of anyone period."
Good Effort...
2008/2007/2006
Inn = Innings Played
FWS = Fielding Win Share
CS% = Caught Stealing Percentage
WP+PB/G = Wild Pitch + Passed Balls/Game
T+FE = Throwing + Fielding Errors
Yadier
Inn: 661/ 861/ 1037
FWS: 4.2/ 7.4/ 8.3
CS%: 33.3/ 50.0/ 41.3
WP+PB/G: .313/ .324/ .278
T+FE: 6/ 6/ 4
Bengie
Inn: 687/ 1104/ 842
FWS: 3.2/ 5.6/ 4.3
CS%: 28.3/ 24.3/ 16.1
WP+PB/G: .524/ .465/ .428
T+FE: 4/ 8/ 2
Jose
Inn: 466/ 169/ 323
FWS: 5.1/ 1.5/ 2.0
CS%: 48.1/ 27.8/ 28.0
WP+PB/G: .445/ .319/ .446
T+FE: 3/ 0/ 4
Over the past 3 year Yadier has had a greater CS%, better win share, and a far less amount of balls get passed him.
If you consider Jose's last 3 years of innings played roughly adds up to the total of Yadier's 2006 season. Yadier has less errors in that season than Jose's last three years.
I threw Bengie in there just because. Jose is indeed better defensivly than Bengie, but is not even close to Yadier.
Jose is a solid defensive backup, nothing more. He isn't the greatest defensive catcher. Please don't try and make him sound like he belongs in a class with Pudge when he was in his prime.
And to suggest Jose is "the best of anyone period" is just laughable.
"The Yankees have NO interest in Bonds and as a fan, neither do I. He's 45 years old, hasn't played all year, his knees are done, he's a total a$$hole and has more bags than Samsonite. FORGET Bonds!!"
Good thing you don't run a baseball team.
He is old: great arguement.. tell that to Glavine, Maddux, Nolan Ryan, Hank Aaron, I could go on but you get the point.
His Knees are done: Are you a doctor? Trainer? or have any credible medical opinion? If Bonds says he physically able to play I believe him.
he's a total a$$hole: Dear God, someone ban him from baseball he has an attitude someone stop this monster. Your team seems fine with Ponson over there. Someone kick Kenny Rogers off the Tigers he's a jerk. Erik Bedard you're an A$$hole no more baseball for you.
hasn't played all year: I'd take Bonds at the league minimum anyday. Give him a couple days in the minors to get used to pitching if he doesn't you cut him if he does.. well you call him up. Simple.
Finally if you don't want to watch Bonds hit you are't a baseball fan. Just simply a guy who cheers for the yankees because everyone else does.
Posted by: LaLoosh's Nuke | July 21, 2008 at 09:55 PM
I just want to say that I think it's hilarious that I am actually seeing a legit argument over who the best Molina brother is!
Posted by: CubFanForLife | July 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM
LaLoosh, great stats. Those are what I was actually trying to find. And I have to say that I agree with you on Bonds.
Posted by: mtzxc | July 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM
IPK for Salty?
Posted by: maximumpotential | July 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Kennedy would get killed in Texas...To much of a fly ball guy (.75 gb/fb this year) with not enough k's.
Flyball guys dont fair well in Texas
Posted by: laxtonto | July 21, 2008 at 11:30 PM
The Reds have a couple of extra catchers. They're not great but they'd be a decent stop gap and they'd be cheap.
Posted by: TheCincyKid | July 22, 2008 at 12:30 AM
The Yankees, as everyone talked about earlier when Teixeira speculation begain this spring, have a ton of money coming off the books and they might not just being looking for a short-term solution at catcher with the thought that Posada may become only a back-up catcher and starting DH next season and going forward... Having a catcher coming off shoulder surgery next season, who is already one of the most run on in the game screams disaster.
How about the fact that the best catcher on the market right now, when combining age, defense, game calling, and offense is Kenji Johjima... If you are caught up on his AVG realize that after the first month of the season, he hit .277 in May and was hitting well through the first half of June, or about the time when they started pulling his at bats to start Clement regularly. He's been a near .300 hitter his whole career in both Japan and here and there is no reason to believe he wouldn't go back to hitting 10-15 homeruns with a near .300 AVG, maybe even jumping that HR total to 15-20 once he's out of Safeco Field... With the AL East comprised of mostly hitters parks that favor righties, asopposed to Oakland and Anaheim which also limit power, he should become quite the player in New York... They could probably get him for a AA or AAA pitcher and a player to be named later with the Mariners eating 2MM a year for the three extra seasons, as it is, he's only going to cost around 2MM for the rest of this season. As far as options go, the Mariners would require the least amount in trade, Johjima has the highest ceiling of the available catchers, and he's the least likely to suffer decline as the eldest Molina appears out of shape and old, signaling that maybe he's already begun his decline and that next season he'll probably look like Jose at the plate... offensively! If Johjima isn't in pinstripes by the deadline, I would be astounded...
Posted by: BaseballGuru | July 22, 2008 at 02:37 AM
Also realize that most catching options that would be better than Johjima would cost more per year, have higher trade value, and offer less upside... Cashman saw Sexson's value, if he can see his, he'll definitely see Johjima's!!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | July 22, 2008 at 02:40 AM
I think Marlins, Tigers and Yankees should get Mike Napoli from the Angels consider him long- term. He is just wasted talent backing up Jeff Mathis. Even though he is on the DL.
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | July 22, 2008 at 03:17 AM
LALOOSH - Another stat nerd on here with waaaaaay too much time on his hands.
Guru - Yanks don't need a long term answer from the outside. Cervelli and then Montero are very nice prospects. A better option may be to trade for Olivo of the Royals. He has a gun, a little pop to his bat and will be a free-agent that won't command top $$. Sign him to a 1-2 year deal until Cervelli/Montero/Romine are ready.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 22, 2008 at 08:47 AM
PS - LALOOSH and mtzxc
"Secondly, he is the best in throwing % this year, period".
That is what I said. LaLoosh's long needless diatribe aside, it's STILL a fact.
As for me "not being a baseball fan if I don't wanna see Bonds hit"....you are a total idiot dude. Just because I don't care for a certain player, that makes me "not a real fan of the game". That's a brainless statement dude. Stick to being a stat nerd with no life...it fits you better.
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 22, 2008 at 08:53 AM
"LALOOSH - Another stat nerd on here with waaaaaay too much time on his hands."
To translate.
"Stat nerd": Understands numbers. Didn't stop learning new things about baseball at age 13. This is viewed as a negative in circles of people who don't understand numbers.
"waaaaaay too much time on his hands": This could be one of two things, both pretty dumb.
(1) You're oblivious to the fact that he's arguing with you and that you are proving to have just as much time on your hands.
(2) You're insinuating he's taking more time to form his arguments by looking up (nerdy) stats and such. In most forums, this would simply make him the more informed debater.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 22, 2008 at 09:00 AM