Francoeur to the Royals?

It doesn't violate tampering rules for Francoeur and Moore to have so much contact?

i just looked at the royals roster and they don't match up well with the braves. the braves are going to want starting pitching or an outfielder. the royals have said that they will not trade meche or greinke so that leaves the outfield. the only player that could be traded straight up for him would be mitch maier. he's a young outfield who can play left or center. lets no forget though that the braves and royals have about the same record so the royals are not rebuilding anymore than the braves.

Francouer, Tommy Hanson, Jordan Schafer, and Tyler Flowers for Zack Greinke and David Dejesus?

Flowers could be the Royals catcher of the future, which the Braves don't need with McCann around. He hit .288/.427/.494 this year.

Schafer overcame some adversity this year (HGH suspension and slow start), but finished strong and ended up at .269/.373/.471 as a 21-year-old in AA. He could be Dejesus' replacement in CF in 2010 and has at least 20/20 upside with very good defense.

Hanson is one of the better pitching prospects in baseball and could contend for a rotation spot this spring.

Francouer is a solid buy-low opportunity for the Royals.

Greinke would give the Braves a reasonably priced #2 with ace upside.

Dejesus would give the Braves an immediate legit option in CF who is under team control through 2011 (long enough to develop a replacement).

Alright, don't hate me for this. But what about something involving Tony Pena? Maybe a Francouer+Kelly Johnson for Pena+a SP? I'm not sure who the SP would be, but that might work for both teams. The Braves could put Pena at 2B and keep Escobar at SS. To be honest, I don't see the Braves getting much for Francouer at this point, anyway.

Um, Frenchy AND Kelly Johnson? For Tony Pena? No freaking way.

With Heyward a year or two away, the Braves are under no incentive to move Francoeur when his value is so low. It would take Meche or Greinke, maybe Bannister and a prospect better than Maier, but honestly, Frenchy's not blocking anyone, he's had his worst year, why would the Braves trade him now?

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Yeah that sounds like a great deal a guy who's hitting .160 an d some starter for a 2b who will ops .800 and a guy who has hit 29 bombs. Braves gave them Pena because he is horrible.

on tommy hanson he's good pitching PROSPECT but may never be anything better. we all thought davies would be good. Greinke is a sure thing he has faced major league batter hanson hasn't and in all likelihood they will be about the same pitcher. I'm a braves fan but why do you guys keep overvalueing Reyes. He can't find the strikezone consistently and won't be a good starter until he does.

There is no sense talking about Greinke in the deal because the Royals will not let go of him...especially for Francouer. I would be suprised if any SP would be involved in any deal that the Royals make. They have a ton of infielders that they need to rid themselves of. Pitching is something the Moore has been stockpiling and it is not good enough or deep enough yet to be trading away.

What about Hochevar for Francoeur straight up?

It really doesn't matter at all what pick he was. He's been pretty mediocre. Francoeur is still a lot more talented than him too.

trade francoeur for george brett's used chew for all i care. he has never been more than mediocre, even in his "good" years. from the right field position, you need a hitter, and he is not. his obp is atrocious, his power is down, and he wont smell 100 rbi's with a poor offensive team. he has been the black hole that brian jordan and raul mondesi left behind a few years back. and his defense has been sub-par. i would like a trade involving bannister straight up.

Two straight 100 RBI years at age 22 abd 23 isn't good? 29 home runs isn't good? His rookie season isn't good, even with his 885 OPS? He's extremely aggressive and that's fine until he has a year like this. His run production has been pretty good up until this year. People shoot down players because they don't take walks and they forget the purpose of hitting.

I think a trade will be pulled off involving Francour and Greinke.

"Two straight 100 RBI years at age 22 and 23 isn't good? 29 home runs isn't good? His rookie season isn't good, even with his 885 OPS? He's extremely aggressive and that's fine until he has a year like this. His run production has been pretty good up until this year. People shoot down players because they don't take walks and they forget the purpose of hitting."

that is an absurd statement. a walk IS equivalent to a single, remember? someone that gets out about 70% of the time for his career would disagree.

jeff francoeur's rbi production is solely due to the incredible hitters in front of him (with .370-.425 obp). hence, even though he played in every game the last 2 years, he didnt score 100 runs. in fact, his highest to date was 84 (and that was the year he hit 29 homeruns, so he scored 55 times on someone elses hit). that's roughly 1/2 a run per game from your EVERY DAY starting right fielder. his 29 homeruns came at a price of a sub-.300 obp. you forget the purpose of baseball is not to just knock in runs, but to score them as well.

jeff francoeur has been, at best, an average major league outfielder, but not even close to an average right fielder. this year, he is the worst regular in baseball (that's actually a fact, not just my opinion), and yet he rarely gets a day off. as long as jeff francoeur is a brave, he will be in right field every day, and that is a scary thought. trade him for a rosin bag.

"A single is not equal to a walk because it is a lot harder to drive in a run with a walk.That said, OBP is important, especially if your contact numbers are suspect and/or you are slow and have less chance of scoring everytime you are on base, as Francoeur is."

an approach similar to the man we're debating. in "on-base" standards, they are exactly the same. yes, they cant drive in runs as well as singles.

unless you're watching another player, francoeur has above average speed, but he cant steal bases because he has a raisin brain.

btw, you might be right about hellman. he was brought up last week with the roster expansion to get a taste of the bigs, but, in all reality, we know why he's there.

I see Gathright, Hochevar, Teahen, and Ramon Ramirez being large points of interest for the Braves. Not so much a 27 year old questionable starter like Bannister or an aging outfielder with a bad temper like Guillen. If you haven't noticed, the Braves seem to avoid players like Milton Bradley or Guillen who let emotions overtake their playing talent.

I would honestly love to see the Braves take a shot with Bulter at first even though he's a defensive liability, he would be able to be a replacement for a power hitter in the middle of the Braves lineup behind BMac and Chipper that has been missing with Andruw and Tex gone. We've seen what the Braves staff can do to improve fielding ability with people like Giles, Johnson, and even Chipper did well when healthy in left field. Personally, I would like to give Frenchie more time to develop since he is so young.

Frank Wren is ruining this team in my opinion, he has been awful since replacing Schurholtz. Trading away our future closer in Devine for a mediocore centerfielder Kotsay who really dosen't even have the quality that Blanco has shown us from our farm as well as the future star Andrus and Matt Harrison who could have helped our staff exponentially when our rotation collapsed.

For those who haven't followed, Devine has had a 0.63 ERA since being traded to Oakland in 42+ innings.

As far as Kotsay being a mediocre CF who lacks the "quality" of Blanco?

With the Braves, Kotsay's OPS was .758. Blanco's is .683. Blanco has some decent on-base abilities but zero power. Kotsay is a better player but neither's worth losing any sleep over.

insomniac, btw, that was your buddy JS who traded away Harrison and Andrus not Frank Wren. If your going to bash him for the Kotsay trade (who was our best OF'r this season)then you have to give him credit for the Renteria-Jurrjens/Hernandez deal and also the Campillo signing. He also made the Ohman/Infante trade for Ascanio. He's done a decent if not good job so far, but this offseason will be a tough task for anyone