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By Tim Dierkes [July 24, 2008 at 12:31pm CST]
MLB.com's Jim Molony has a new column up.
- The Braves will listen to offers for Jeff Francoeur and Will Ohman, and maybe Mark Teixeira if the Braves struggle in the next week. The Royals are said to be interested in Francoeur. Mike Gonzalez is unavailable.
- The Braves have scouted Jason Bay and Xavier Nady, in case they decide to become buyers.
- The Phillies had an exec scouting the Pirates recently. The Phils are looking for a lefty reliever. The Phillies also may be looking at relievers on the Jays and Orioles.
- Molony rattles off Freddy Garcia suitors: Astros, Cardinals, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox, Royals, Tigers, Mets, White Sox and Yankees. The Royals might be a new one.
- At least five teams are in on Casey Blake, including the Twins. However the Twins seem to prefer Hank Blalock. I like the Blalock idae for the Twins.
- Molony sees A.J. Burnett staying put.
What sense does it make to trade Franceour when his value is so low? They aren't going to get much for him right now.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Jeff Francoeur to the Royals? Really? This is veryy interesting..
What would the Royals have to give up to land him? Something similar to what Delmon Young costed?
Would the Royals be willing to offer Mike Moustakas?
The Royals would probably offer David DeJesus, Daniel Cortes and Julio Pimentel.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 24, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Even if they are sellers, there is a good chance the Braves would still be interested in acquiring someone like Bay. He's a power hitting LF who they can build around.
Posted by: enchinga | July 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM
The Braves may have a piece or so to get Nady, but I don't think they have the elite prospects it would require to get Bay. Especially since Huntington is looking for power arms in return.
Posted by: pen76 | July 24, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Tim,
What do you see the Twins giving up for Blalock? I don't see a ready replacement for Hank in the Rangers' organization (or at SS should Mike Young move to 3B).
If I'm Jon Daniels, it's got to be a real nice prospect or ML ready arm. Hank's $6.2M is actually very reasonable, and if he's healthy - teams could do a lot worse at 3B.
Posted by: HaegerChamp | July 24, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Congrats to the Phils if they pull the trigger on a Dave Borkowski acquisition.
Posted by: AutomaticDP | July 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM
"What do you see the Twins giving up for Blalock? I don't see a ready replacement for Hank in the Rangers' organization (or at SS should Mike Young move to 3B)."
Dude. Are you out of your mind? If you're a Rangers fan well then you should just be embarrassed. I think it's pretty clear that the plan is to move Michael Young to third and call up your BEST PROSPECT Elvis Andrus to take over at short. The guy is 19 and batting .286 with a .344 OBP in AA and he's fast as hell so he's gonna be ready soon.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM
As a Braves fan I think it's time to atleast think about trading Jeff Francoeur. He hasnt progressed as well as Brian McCann. I think he still has upside and some team would give a decent haul for him. I think he needs to have a change of scenery. There is to much pressure on him since he is from the Atlanta area and fans expect him to be the golden boy once Chipper Jones retires.Plus with Jason Heyward and Cody Johnson in the minors someone has to go.
Posted by: smhg30 | July 24, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I agree completely with the concept that the Braves should be interested in Bay or Nady despite what their record is. The reason why is that both of them are bats we can control past this year, and also are the steady OF bat that Wren is looking for.
The royals are probably not going to trade any of their productive regulars or top prospects for Francouer, it really makes no sense for them too. Obviously, Dayton Moores past in Atlanta makes him interested, but he is not going to make a blockbuster for a guy who is not blockbuster worthy.
The Angels are said to be interested in Fuentes and Holliday/ATkins. If I am Frank Wren, I am calling the angels daily. We have Teixera and Ohman, the impact bat and lefty reliever the Angels want, whom we could trade. The angels have one of the best assortment of major league ready young players in the majors, and probably would be willing to trade them. Now, obviously the combo from the rockies would seem more attractive because Holliday or Atkins are under team control longer than Tex, and Fuentes is a better power arm than OHman. Nevertheless, Wren should exhaust all efforts to see if there is any possibility he could get a deal done, for instance, Tex and Ohman for Kotchman, Adenhart, and B. Wood.
Posted by: bravesbeast | July 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Correction - Phillies scouting Pirates, not Astros. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | July 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Andrus isn't going to be ready until probably the middle of next year, and won't assume full-time duties until probably 2010. There's no reason to bring him up until he either drastically cuts down on the errors or starts showing some sort of power...
I'd assume the plan would be to move Young to 3B after this season, go with Vazquez or Duran at SS in the short-term, and have Elvis ready to go full-time Opening Day 2010...
But that all depends on the value you can get for Blalock right now... If they can't get something decent, why not just keep him and leave Young at short until Andrus forces his way into the big leagues?
Posted by: N41D | July 24, 2008 at 01:02 PM
scribbletone,
Do you really think its smart to call up a 19 year old whose status as an elite prospect is almost completely preicated on the fact that he's always been young for his league and he hasn't completely embarrassed himself? Remember he's only a year removed from hitting in the .250's in high-A. You'd be starting his service time clock earlier than you need to, you likely wouldn't be getting any production, and you're risking the confidence of your top prospect. Personally I wouldn't think about bringing Andrus up, other than a September call up, until 1-2 months into next season.
Posted by: nixa37 | July 24, 2008 at 01:08 PM
"The Braves will listen to offers for Jeff Francoeur and Will Ohman, and maybe Mark Teixeira if the Braves struggle in the next week."
It's odd to me that they're listening to offers for Francoeur, but only maybe for Teixeira. Really, they should be actively looking to move Ohman, listening closely to offers for Tex, and only really considering moving Francoeur with an overvalued offer.
A few thoughts on Francoeur... a couple years ago, he was thought to be the new face of the franchise. The next Chipper Jones. A couple of scars blemish his record since then. His contract renewal 2 years in a row indicate he may be difficult to negotiate with and may have an inflated sense of his monetary worth. Secondly, his reaction to the AA demotion wasn't very professional, even if it was understandable. Thirdly, he has definitely struggled this year and hasn't shown progress that he was committed to.
I say keep Francoeur, as I believe he's part of the "next generation Braves," like McCann, Jurrjens, Schafer/Hernandez, and even Kelly Johnson.
But I'd also keep a bit of an eye on Francouer. His upside is starting to equal his downside.
Posted by: maddux530 | July 24, 2008 at 01:11 PM
Wow I probably should've clarified what I said.
When I said that the Rangers would move Young to third and Andrus to short, I meant that is their long term plan. I didn't mean that if they move Blalock that's immediately what's going to happen. Andrus probably shouldn't be called up until June or July of next year at the earliest. Sorry for the confusion.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 24, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Trade Blalock for any of their young starters. If I was JD, I'd also see what else besides Blalock it would take to land Liriano.
Posted by: txrangers22 | July 24, 2008 at 01:14 PM
"""What do you see the Twins giving up for Blalock? I don't see a ready replacement for Hank in the Rangers' organization (or at SS should Mike Young move to 3B)."
Dude. Are you out of your mind? If you're a Rangers fan well then you should just be embarrassed. I think it's pretty clear that the plan is to move Michael Young to third and call up your BEST PROSPECT Elvis Andrus to take over at short. The guy is 19 and batting .286 with a .344 OBP in AA and he's fast as hell so he's gonna be ready soon."""
You seriously need to chill out, Andrus is AT LEAST 1 year away. He'll be up in 2010 and not 2009.
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 24, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Andrus isn't the best prospect.
I think C. Davis and Feliz have something to say about that.
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 24, 2008 at 01:17 PM
The Rangers actually have fans???
Posted by: Josh | July 24, 2008 at 01:18 PM
The Phils scout could have been looking at the 'Stros Tim Brydak as well as Marte and Grabow. Not as flashy as the other two, but certainly cheaper (both in salary and in cost).
Posted by: ARusonis | July 24, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Coolbean,
Thanks for taking care of that, I read his response and just laughed.
Davis probably doesn't qualify as a prospect anymore (neither does Salty). And Feliz and Andrus are about even when you look at all the different rankings. Feliz is certainly the 'hot' name, and with the Rangers' pitching woes, I'm sure he's the one that's much more "untouchable".
Posted by: HaegerChamp | July 24, 2008 at 01:30 PM
IF the Twins trade for a 3B, I really don't see it being Blalock. They really don't need another left-handed hitter in the lineup, and with Cuddyer having been unproductive/injured all year, a RH bat with pop should be on the top of the list. To me, Blake seems more likely to fill that spot.
Posted by: bbhd16 | July 24, 2008 at 01:31 PM
If ATL is wiling to move Francouer they're obviously willing to move Tex.
Right? I mean it only makes sense...
Maybe they don't want to lose any leverage in trade talks knowing they almost have to move him if they slip out of contention...
Posted by: Meoveryouok | July 24, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Meoveryouok,
I don't think that's neccessarily the case. The Braves will get two draft picks if they hang on to Tex and let him walk this offseason, so any trade involving him must bring back more than those two draft picks in terms of value. With Francoeur, the Braves may think he needs a change of scenery or that he doesn't fit in their long term plans with cheaper options among there OF prospects. If they could fill another need by moing Frenchy while he still appears to have some upside, its not a terrible idea.
Posted by: nixa37 | July 24, 2008 at 01:43 PM
The Rangers actually have fans???
Posted by: Josh | July 24, 2008 at 01:18 PM
I'm surprised inbreds know how to type correctly. Who knew you can get internet in a trailer trash park?
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 24, 2008 at 01:45 PM
"I'm surprised inbreds know how to type correctly. Who knew you can get internet in a trailer trash park?"
Hey. Don't be a dick.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 24, 2008 at 02:00 PM
scribbletone/coolbean04 - Let's keep the posts to baseball, ok?
Dumping Francoeur right now is the dumbest thing I've heard. He is struggling this year (did you see Vanden Hurk throw nothing but upstairs fastballs on him and blow him away?), but his struggles are restricted to only this year. He's been sacrificing power for on-base percentage (cf. HR rates for walk rates), but his defense is absolutely top notch. He saves the Braves dozens of runs by guys not testing his cannon arm.
Whether the Braves are buying or selling, I think they should sell. The offense is incredibly streaky (they seem to live and die by Chipper), their starting rotation is forced to trot out Reyes and Morton (while Smoltz is out and Hampton, let's face it, won't pitch this year... again - thank goodness he comes off the books), and they've just been hit too hard by injuries (Glavine, Smoltz, now Hudson, Hampton always, Moylan, Soriano, Chipper occasionally, Kotsay and Diaz, Gonzalez was out for several months recovering from TJ). Even good ballclubs just have too many injuries to contend some years.
So, why not trade Ohman and Tex and get deadline-panicked teams to overpay? I agree that 6 GB is not insurmountable, but it is when you need *3* teams to play poorly and not just one.
Posted by: bravesfan1981 | July 24, 2008 at 02:10 PM
I totally agree with txrangers22. If the Rangers are shopping Blalock to the Twins, see what else they would have to throw in to land Liriano. If that means any of Borbon, Mayberry, maybe even Murphy? I'd do what it takes to at least get the Twins thinking about it.
Posted by: tmoney352 | July 24, 2008 at 02:14 PM
"Hampton, let's face it, won't pitch this year... again"
Actually he's slotted to start Saturday. Whether he can go 2 days without injury is another matter. SELL!
Posted by: Land-Man | July 24, 2008 at 02:32 PM
bravesfan1981,
If Frenchy has sacrificed OBP for HR power, then that experiment has failed miserably. His OBP this season is .286 and his numbers have gotten worse every month.
Yes I think his value is at an all-time low but I agree with those who think a change of scenery might be in order.
If the Braves wouldn't keep him in AA for more than three days when he was struggling before, and he has gotten no better since his return, then they're obviously stuck with him at the major league level for as long as he's with the team.
His career numbers actually look a lot like Jermaine Dye's, but JD was up and down from the minors to KC for at least two years after KC got him, and that time out of the show really helped him become a premier player.
I don't think the Braves are willing to do that with Golden Boy, even though it may be the only way to know if he's really going to be a capable player or simply a very talented athlete who doesn't know how to use his skills.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | July 24, 2008 at 02:36 PM
tmoney:
Keep trying man. If you offered Blalock/Murphy/Borbon/Mayberry your response would be a click. Try something like
Blalock/Davis/Hurley
Posted by: BrianTX | July 24, 2008 at 02:38 PM
briantx, I didn't necessarily mean those exact players as my deal. I meant that if they want any of those prospects, then give them to the Twins. I'm fine parting with Hurley, but Davis? He is going nowhere, he's a Texas native (which the club loves) and the Twins have Morneau. No need to move Davis.
Posted by: tmoney352 | July 24, 2008 at 03:41 PM
I'm not saying I'd do the trade either, I'm just trying to provide a reasonable counter-offer from the Twins. I doubt they would have any interest in the players you listed. For a player like Liriano they are going to prefer quality over quantity.
Posted by: BrianTX | July 24, 2008 at 04:20 PM
"The Royals would probably offer David DeJesus, Daniel Cortes and Julio Pimentel."
Hmm, this is a joke right? Dayton's probably trying to buy low on the guy. So he's going to offer an upper echelon CF, his best pitching prospect, and his 3rd or 4th best pitching prospect? Right. Excellent though.
Posted by: firesticks | July 24, 2008 at 04:52 PM
To all Ranger fans wondering what it would take to get liriano, nothing short of Josh Hamilton and a decent pitching prospect....and I'm not joking.
Posted by: kleppy12 | July 24, 2008 at 05:18 PM
If the Twins value Liriano, then why dont they bring him up from the minors to pitch?
Posted by: smhg30 | July 24, 2008 at 05:30 PM
for a couple reasons. if they bring him up now he would be eligible for arbatration after this season and they would have to pay him a lot more the next fou years. So if they wait a couple of more time in the rotation they can save money. Two they want to make absolute sure he healthy and back on his game because calling him up again then having to send him back down could be a very bad thing for liriano and whoever he would replace.
Posted by: kleppy12 | July 24, 2008 at 09:04 PM
I know it's doubtful, but if Moore was dumb to offer DeJesus for Francoeur then I think Wrenn should do it. Probably won't happen though you never know :)
Posted by: Bravesfan89 | July 24, 2008 at 09:46 PM