Odds and Ends : Snyder, Ludwick, Bradley

Sad to see Snyder go, really wanted to see the Ohio native make it....but just not cutting it. Can't see him fitting into the Cubs plans either.

Even if Snyder passed through waivers, he's out of minor league options so would have had to be put on the 25 man roster next season or be lost to waivers.....

Hard to see him sticking with the Cubs OF...but maybe he does. Definately still has the potential...but strikeouts are a huge concern with him.

Do the "others" involve Colby Rasmus? Probably not.

Steven Goldman's statement is a given.

hmm a 23 year old stud for a 29 year old (and up until this year) 4th outfielder...wow people smoke alot of crack

"hmm a 23 year old stud for a 29 year old (and up until this year) 4th outfielder...wow people smoke alot of crack"

Where did anyone say it would be Ludwick straight up? Says Ludwick and others.....

Even that wouldn't work, but the point was can't hurt to throw the idea out there.

And I don't see them willing to give up those pieces. Outside of those players, there isn't enough high ceiling talent that fits.

With the braves clearly looking for outfield help the royals should offer up Dejesus and cash for chuck james and Brandon jones. This gives the braves a solid outfielder while paying a very small price for pieces that really don't seem to fit in their equation. They also would have payroll flexibility to sign another outfielder. The royals would get a lefty starter who puts up crazy good numbers in AAA and seems to just need a change of address to become a very good #4. They also get a guy in Jones who can immediatley fill a starting spot in their outfield and may just end up putting up better numbers then dejesus down the line. After that they should move Ron Mahay. They could get two decent lower level prospects.
Royals 2009
C Pena/Buck
1b Ka'aihue/Shealy
2b Aviles
ss Callaspo
3b Gordon
Rf Guillen
Cf Brandon Jones/Gathright
Lf Teahen
Dh Butler
Sp
Greinke
Meche
Chuck James
Hochevar
Davies
Soria
Tejeda
Bannister

Rp

Yabuta (stuck with him)
Nunez
Ramirez
Bale

It's going to be hard to make a Cain deal if the main piece you're offering is an OF (especially Ludwick). The Giants need a corner infielder or a stud SS. Brewers, Phillies, and Rangers - the deal will come out of one of those three clubs, if it comes at all.

I agree with Management. Why acquire a fifth starting-quality outfielder when the team doesn't have locks at first, short, or third? Fielder or Rollins made a lot more sense to me.

joemorgan=#1, just out of curiosity, do you watch a lot of Royals games, or are you just going by what the media says about Aviles? Not trying to say you don't, but the media exaggerates his lack of range, and his offense has more than outweighed his range. 2nd isn't his natural position, and he has said that himself. I think he has more than proven himself as an everyday SS, just hope he keeps it up next season.

You people need to get your heads out of the clouds.

If you lived in the bay area and listened to Brian Sabean, Bobby Evans and other Giants officials you'd know that the organization knows it is not going to compete in 2009. They still need find out what they have with players like Nate Schierholtz, Manny Burriss, Pablo Sandoval, Travis Ishikawa and a slew of bullpen guys. Next season will look much like 2008.

joemorgan=#1, Chuckie's gonna be out until midway through nest season and BJones is NOT a CF by any stretch of the imagination...

nostocksjustbonds: Now your talking pipe dreams. Yes Cain for Ludwick plus some isn't going to happen, but lets not act like Cain is the best player in baseball...unlike Pujols who is. The truth is that Cain is being talked about in possible trades; once you bring up Pujols' name then you take it to a level of pure fantasy and zero percent chance of possibility.

The cardinals will ntrade Ludwick until next year probally. If they trade an outfielder, it might be Ankiel or Schumarker. Rasmas can play in the outfield and with the outfielders that is free agents, watch out, the Cardinals have money to spend because they do not have to pay Encarnacion anymore.

I also have to agree with Knuffy. I think they try and trade Ankiel if anything because he is going to be getting large raises very soon.

Don't forget, if ownership would stop Scrooging it, they could make a real splash this winter. They have the money if they ever decide to use it on a marquee guy...and with trades, it could be a very interesting offseason.

Crazy news about Carpenter though, kind of sad to see one of the better pitchers in the game possibly done.

"One major issue people forget when talking about Ludwick for Cain. Ludwick is 30. This does not make him a young power hitter. "

Age only matters as much as service time does. Sure, if you could have a guy that has done that at 25, even better. But they would have control over Ludwick for 4 to 5 years, being his 30 to 34 or 35 years. For a power hitter, those are good years to have a guy.

Service time is just as big or a bigger deal than actual age, as long as he can perform.

Put it this way, 21 year old with impressive promise or 30 year old who has his first taste of success admittedly impressive.

Which do you choose? Age matters in baseball once you hit 30, less years before you go down hill.

Okay, I'm adding my name to the list of people pissed off with typekey... this is my 4th attempt to post.

I doubt that is true. I don't see the Cardinals even putting Pujols name out there even in preemptive offers. For any trade. But to say that Pujols is the only player...that isn't really true. The Cardinals minor league system is better than most people give it credit for; it just doesn't get the publicity and hype that teams such as the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, and Angels get. Obviously people know about Anderson, Rasmus, Wallace, and Todd...but players such as Mortenson, Herron, Jay, Vazquez, Freese, Craig, Hamilton, Hoffpauir, and Kozma aren't too shabby themselves. The price may be too steep for the Cardinals taste, but a deal could get done...and without Pujols having to even be mentioned.

no one is saying that Pujols is involved in any discussions, just like Cain isn't involved in any discussions. I can see why every team in the majors would want Cain, and it would take a boatload (think Bedard or Haren type deal) to get him, but the Cards don't have what it takes (at the positions the Giants would want) unless they wanted to offer Pujols, and I should add, Wallace (thanks for the reminder) though, he's not tradeable yet as a recent draftee.

As was mentioned, the Cards have some other nice prospects like Rasmus (OF), Anderson (C), and Todd (P), but they just don't fit the Giants' needs, and hence, it doesn't make sense to make them the centerpieces of an offer for Cain.

Regardless, the overall point here is that trading for Cain would cost too much for the Cards, and it would never happen, especially if Ludwick (the name actually floated) is the centerpiece or key player (or anything other than a throw-in.)

And if Cards fans think they can get Cain for Ludwick + a prospect or two, they're high.

To say a guy in his first full year in MLB, with 4 to 5 service years left, that just posted a whopping .944 OPS should only be considered to be a throw in...thats going overboard here.

I agree, the Cards don't match up very well, but its a .944 OPS in over 500 at bats! He isn't just a prospect, he has actually raked in the majors at a near MVP level. Give him more credit than that...