Peavy Rumors: Monday

Having Escobar & Johnson at the top of the lineup would sure provide some RBI opportunities for Giles & Gonzalez...

the braves would back away, and the dodgers will offer a pack of good prospects and steal peavy

Sorry man he isn't talking about trading all 3 of those guys. Most likely not even 2 of the 3. One of those guys will be the center piece.

As a Braves fan I'd rather trade Hanson than Esco. We have him under control for years and he will be a star.

As a phils fan i would love for the braves to make that deal. granted we would have to deal with peavy but it would better than dealing with KJ and Yunel who are turning into very nice ball players

As a Braves fan I really want Peavy, but not at the expense of both Esco and Hanson. One or the other in a package, and to be honest, I'd rather deal Hanson. When was the last time the Braves devoloped a stud pitcher?? It's been years. Deal the unknown and keep the guy who has at least shown you something at the big league level. Esco will be a star very shortly. Put KJ, Hanson, and even Schaefer in a deal and get it done.

was385 - I don't really see too many Braves fans overrating Escobar. Shortstops who play well above-average defense and OPS in the .775-.800 range don't come out of the woodwork everyday. That's not overrating him that's the reality. I don't think his ceiling is too much higher that what he's done so far, but what he's done so far is pretty good. That said, I agree that if trading Escobar allows the Braves to keep Hanson in a deal for Peavy, I'm pretty much all for it. I'm not too thrilled on having Greene come back our way in this scenario, I think the better option would be to let Infante & Lillibridge and battle it out in the spring.

njbraves - I thought that too, but Hanson is making the AFL look like a beer-league. He's the real deal. Whether he debuts for the Braves, Padres, or someone else, he's going to most likely make some noise when he does.

because new york is a circus, and normal people don't want to deal with that garbage.

Escobar has been solid, but a top 5 shortstop next year? He's the 4th best shortstop in his division. That being said, he is a very good young talent. Of course if the Braves want Peavy, they're gonna have to deal with the fact that they are going to part with some good young talent.

Obviously Hanley may be the best player in baseball but I'll take Escobar at 500,000 next year over most shortstops in baseball. Including Reyes and maybe even Rollins. And remember this will be his second full season he could be a lot better this year.

Tim- I think you read the DOB blog wrong. He was actually saying it might take Hanson. I don't think he ever said it would take even Hanson and Escobar.

baleen, most Braves fans consider Escobar a superstar. He's a nice player but far from a superstar. He's a prototypical number 2 hitter with good defense at short. I like him too but lets be realistic, he is no superstar.

Being in NY is more than just the 3 hour game...

Peavy is a hillbilly...Why would he want to be in the crazy city life when HE ALONE has the choice??

^ Who said Escobar is a superstar? Don't ever remember reading that. Does he have the raw talent to be a very good player, I think so.

"Peavy is a hillbilly...Why would he want to be in the crazy city life when HE ALONE has the choice??"

Because he wouldnt have to live in the city. you can get a place outside of the city not more then an hour away from the stadium. if your that hillbilly move in next to the clintons.

Oh yeah, I agree was385. I guess I meant to say "hey, i think he's good but I'M not overrating him". Of the two players, Hanson has the higher ceiling at a position that is more valuable, imho.

Wren is NOT going to trade both KJ and Yunel. That's a misunderstanding. DOB never said that. It would be one or the other, and probably as the centerpiece of the deal, meaning he might be able to hold on to more or Hanson, Schafer, Gorkys, etc.

It's already been pointed out, but keep the Brewers in mind as the darkhorse favorite. They have the pieces to get a deal done and are most certainly in "win now" mode. Their window of opportunity to stay competitive likely won't last too long and they are going to need to either retain CC Sabathia or trade for Peavy if they want to stay in contention for a playoff spot in the ever-improving NL.

As was brought up yesterday, if the Brewers were to offer JJ Hardy and Rickie Weeks, the Padres would certainly have to give the Brewers their full attention.

I know Escobars a little older but service time is really what's important. I'd rather have six years of a 24 year old than 6 years of a 20 year old. Escobar is only making a fraction or what Reyes makes. Reyes is a lot of hype.

I hope the Braves trade for Peavy fast, because I don't want the Red Sox trading prospects for him. If they decide they need to add a starter, I think they should sign A.J. Burnett. It will cost money and draft pick compensation, and he does have experience in the AL East, whereas I think Peavy would require an adjustment period a la Beckett.

citron, I'm merely pointing out that there are other factors outside baseball...

antonelli was terrible for much of the year but broke out of it near the end and played very well. no one has given up on antonelli he has alot of talent and is still only 23

"if the Brewers were to offer JJ Hardy and Rickie Weeks, the Padres would certainly have to give the Brewers their full attention."

the padres would not want rickie weeks in any way. they might be interested in hardy but they are trying to shed payroll not add guys due for a big raise and nearing free agency. talks would start with parra

""if the Brewers were to offer JJ Hardy and Rickie Weeks, the Padres would certainly have to give the Brewers their full attention."

Definitely disagree with this. The Padres will likely persue younger, cheaper players that will under control longer than those two.

"the padres would not want rickie weeks in any way. they might be interested in hardy but they are trying to shed payroll not add guys due for a big raise and nearing free agency. talks would start with parra"

Exactly what he said for Hardy/Weeks. As for the talks starting with Parra, I honestly disagree with this.

I think that the Brewers are a very good possibility for San Diego, but I would expect the Padres to try and outline a deal like this: Peavy in exchange for one of Hardy and Escobar, one of Parra and Jeffress, Angel Salome, and Tony Gwynn Jr. The Padres get a long term SS, a quality young pitcher, a quality catching prospect and a possible CF option with the most famous name in Padre history.

"the padres would not want rickie weeks in any way. they might be interested in hardy but they are trying to shed payroll not add guys due for a big raise and nearing free agency. talks would start with parra"

While I don't disagree with you on the talks starting with Parra, I think you are off-base on Rickie Weeks. Every season, Weeks in brought up as the biggest break-out candidate of the season. He has all the tools but for whatever reason, has not been able to put it all together as of yet. The value on Rickie Weeks is actually quite high and the Brewers have fielded a very high number of phone calls over the past year and half about his availability. Weeks also isn't due arbitration until the end of the 2009 season and because he hasn't been able to put it all together yet, he wouldn't be looking at a substantial dollar amount as of right now. Rickie may very well be one of those guys that would greatly benefit from a change of scenery and being a native of a warm climate location (Daytona, FL), San Diego could be a very nice place to carry out that experiment. Of course, JJ Hardy would be the main attraction with Rickie Weeks being a very attractive throw-in due to his potential.

In regards to Manny Parra, he may very well be what the Padres are after but if that is the case, immediately remove the Brewers from a trade candidate. The Brewers feel like both Manny Parra and Yovani Gallardo will be perrenial Cy Young candidates for many years to come. Jason Kendall, who has been around the block a time or two calls Parra's stuff "right up there with the best stuff i've ever seen"; and he's seen some good ones. 26 year old lefties with dominant stuff are not parted with very easily. Not to mention, he's one of the better hitting pitchers in all of baseball as well.

Like I said, I'm not saying the Padres wouldn't want Parra. I'm just saying that if he was the price, the Brewers couldn't afford to continue with negotiations.

I think that the Brewers are a very good possibility for San Diego, but I would expect the Padres to try and outline a deal like this: Peavy in exchange for one of Hardy and "Escobar, one of Parra and Jeffress, Angel Salome, and Tony Gwynn Jr. The Padres get a long term SS, a quality young pitcher, a quality catching prospect and a possible CF option with the most famous name in Padre history."

Wow, that would be quite the impressive haul. I don't believe even the Padres think they should get that much.

How about an offer of JJ Hardy, Rickie Weeks, Angel Salome and Tony Gwynn Jr.

It's not pitching prospects like the Padres reportedly want, but that's 3/5 of an infield and a CF who would all start on that team as early as 2009.

Once again, I'm not saying the Padres won't want pitching. I'm just saying that the Brewers will not give up Parra or Jeffress.

Of course, this could all be a moot point depending on the outcome of the CC Sabathia scenario. The Brewers are going to try their best to resign Sabathia and if CC wants to be in Milwaukee, the Brewers will make it happen. If they are able to sign the big lefty, there will be little chance that they then go after Peavy.

Or how about getting a 3rd team involved and throwing in Prince Fielder instead of Hardy? There are a number of AL teams who would pay a pretty penny to have Fielder DH for them. The Padres could even possibly get Hughes or Kennedy from the Yankees in such a deal.

Just throwing ideas out there 'cuz it's fun to play armchair GM.

ok ill admit the yankees are no longer the odds on favorite to win a world series but they are still one of the few teams that demands winning. that still does everything they can to do so year in and year out. to tell people that youre interested in winning and just flat out refuse to go to new york or boston is a joke. all those other points are nonsense. Bottom line, hes a scared little boy who doesnt want to leave his mothers home cause the world is big scary place.

I know what Weeks' totals are and I realize they are much less than impressive. But GM's around the league are still very high on Weeks.

Trust me, if it were up to me, Weeks would be worth nothing more than a bag of balls and a pitching machine, but the scouts and GM's who get paid a lot of money to evaluate talent disagree with this average fan.

I'm referring to the post between the stars.

You're complaining about a baseball player driving 1 HR each way 81 times??? How about all of us that have a real job. You know, the ones that have that commute more than 81 times a year.

"GM,

Your comments kinda answer your own question. Seems like you are quite angry that Peavy doesnt want to play there. Players want to go to NY for two reasons $$$ and Winning.

Well Jake is already under contract and NY is not a sure winner anymore now that Steinbrenner Jr. is in charge.

****1hr drive both ways 81 times a year is a pain in the a$$. Plus there are other factors...*****

Weather - He is in SD right now where weather is about as good as it gets.

Beaches - NY vs. SD??

Crime - NY vs. SD

Terrorist threats - Again NY vs. SD

Friendship - He already said Houston would be his first choice if he left because Oswalt is there.."

The Drive home isnt so bad if you won the game.

Dave O'Brian did NOT say the Braves would or should trade both Kelly Johnson and Yunel Escobar. He said the Padres might insist on one or the other.

In fact, his suggestion was that the Braves are hopeful of not including Hanson, and that the Padres might accept Escobar, Medlen and Marek for Peavy. And he adds that the Pads might insist on Hanson.

Lets put this Escobar, Kelly Johnson, and Tommy Hanson for Peavy rumor to rest. David O'Brien never said anything remotely close to this.

Infact I just asked him to clarify on his blog and this is what he had to say...

By David O'Brien

October 20, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Taylor S, I didn’t suggest Escobar, Kelly and Hanson, whatsoever. In fact, I suggested that if Escobar OR Kelly was the centerpiece of a deal, perhaps the Braves could avoid including the likes of Hanson (and obviously not Heyward). I said maybe they could do a deal involving a Medlen and Marek with Escobar. (And I’ll make this addendum now: maybe you sub Morton for Medlen.)

If they read the blog closely, anyone can see I never said Escobar, Kelly and Hanson, or anything even remotely like that. But whatever. I don’t get too stressed about what’s picked up and sometimes rephrased or misrepresented by trade-rumor sites.

AtlantaMike do you really think the Braves would be able to pull of a deal with Medlen and Marek? I understand Esco would be the centerpiece but I just couldn't imagine the Pads settling for those two P's.

I really cant see why the Padres wouldn't be interested in a package with Gorkys, Lillibridge or Diory Hernandez, Morton and Reyes and then one of our lower level high upside pitchers like Locke Rohrbough or Medlin. They get there center field prospect, Hernandez or Lillibridge can be an affordable shorstop for the next 6 yeas. Reyas and Morton can fill in the back of the rotation and Rohrbough is a potential ace.

Jake Peavy doesn't like New York. So? What difference does it make what his reasons are? You call a guy a wussy and a hillbilly because he doesn't agree with you? Last time I checked it wasn't against the law to have your own opnions that may differ with the opinions of others (although I'm not entirely convinced that we'll always be able to enjoy that privilege). If C.C. says "thanks for the offer N.Y. but I'd just as soon play in the N.L. and a little closer to home even if it is for less money", will that make him a wussy and a hillbilly too?

But Yankees fans think it's their god-given right to get whatever player they want and they throw a tantrum when somebody tells them they can't.

Yeah, there definitely should be an 'OR' in between Kelly Johnson and Tommy Hanson.

With that being said, I think if Wren is patient, he can acquire Peavy without giving up Hanson. I hope he sticks to his guns and states that he will not give him up...if we can get Peavy without giving up Hanson or Heyward then I would definitely consider it a win. We'll see.

MickS: you hit the nail right on the head. It's amazing how some people can go from infatuation with having Peavy on their team to dissing the guy and making excuses to bash him.

Ummmm....Generalmanager...are you 12? "A wussy boy", "scared to be away from his momma"? Wow, why not call him a stupidhead also, and get it over with.

Obviously, because of his no-trade clause Peavy picks where he and his family are going to be for several years in the future. You blame a guy because he wants to be close to his family and friends?? I would say there is a level of comfort in the NL, so it would make sense for him to stay. How about we stick to talking baseball, and not the name calling silliness?

The Braves are obviously the front-runners here and this trade will be done before Dec 1.

How about Peavy, Greene and Kyle Banks (AA 1B manchild) for

Escobar, Schafer, Rohrbough, Locke and Hernandez.

Braves fans have to understand this is going to cost a bundle to do...Look at the recent moves for quality arms (not Cy Young winners) who were coming up on contract years. You have to add more to the deal being Peavy is locked up for 4 more years.

I would love to see this deal get done for the Padres, a change is needed, even if it costs a great arm.

SanDiegoGuy, why would the Braves need Kyle Banks? We have a pretty good 1B prospect of our own in Freddie Freeman. And I don't see us sending both Schafer and Hernandez (both CF), or the Pads really needing both.

So I'd boil your suggestion down to Peavy and Greene for Escobar, Rohrbough, Locke and Hernandez (or Schafer). I think that's a reasonable deal, though I bet SD would rather have another arm (Morton, Reyes, Medlen, or Marek) than a CF.

^ No way should Wren have to include Schafer in a proposal that already has esocbar. If Towers is serious, he'll realize he can only have one.

I'm still wondering if Hernandez and Teheran could get the deal done. But as long as Wren can still keep Schafer, Heyward, Hanson, Escobar and still get peavy, then I say do it.

"But as long as Wren can still keep Schafer, Heyward, Hanson, Escobar and still get peavy, then I say do it."

delusional braves fans. i cant wait for this deal to be done cause there are going to be tons of pis*ed off braves fans.

I would have to say the Padres fan and 3rd party fans are more delusional in this situation. Braves fans arnt saying we are getting Peavy for nothing. We are saying if you want a ton find it else where.

bkoke, how much value does Greene really have for the Pads in '09? They know (don't they?) that they're not gonna compete. And Greene will cost them $6.5 mil, and then be gone to free agency. Unless they plan to re-sign him. Do you think that's likely, given the fact that they're suing him for hurting himself?

As to the Pads not being interested in low-level players (except Heyward), I'd agree with that. The Teheran talk is just idle discussion: I doubt either team is really trying to put him on the trade table.

Just in case no one else has mentioned it (I was to lazy to real all 90 some odd comments) this post is incorrect. O'brien did not say Excobar, Johnson AND Hanson. I am a regular reader and contributor to that blog as I am here. He said it would probably take at least one of those three. (If we were to offer that package we would expect either Greene or some of their prospects back. THis is just my person speculation.) However, O'brien was only suggesting one of those three as the base for the package. However he did post so new possible deals today. Here is an exact quote from his blog about the error.

"...I suggested that if Escobar OR Kelly was the centerpiece of a deal, perhaps the Braves could avoid including the likes of Hanson (and obviously not Heyward). I said maybe they could do a deal involving a Medlen and Marek with Escobar. (And I’ll make this addendum now: maybe you sub Morton for Medlen.)"

So that was pretty much the actuality of it.

AtlantaMike your def. right that Hanson will be a deal breaker. But, I don't think the Braves would trade Hanson and Escobar. I think Escobar has more value than KJ to the Braves. Mainly because We have Prado who can take over if we deal KJ.

I'll admit that I've cooled on Peavy a bit. Maybe it's just the hype has worn off, but I'm not entirely convinced that the wisest plan of action would be going all in (prospects wise) on Peavy and filling the #2 starter & LF holes via FA. The Braves could sign Burnett or Lowe, then an innings eater type, and trade for Maggs or Jermaine Dye and be spending the same amount of money, be marginally as competitive, and have a much better wave of young talent coming on. I'll still be ecstatic if the team lands Peavy though haha

Haren didn't have a no-trade clause. Makes all the difference in the world, unless Peavy agrees to go to the highest bidder (which he has no reason to do).

Peavy is a perfectly good pitcher....i wonder y he's so afraid of NY...as a pitcher i would wanna be the best and maybe coming to NY can prove that....we know he pretty dominated the NL lets c how he does in the AL east more rivalries and competition....if i was the yanks i would try to trade for peavy...its been awhile since we've had a dominate righty. get rid of kennedy i think he was just hyped up to showcase for a trade someday...peavy maybe????