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Astros Sign Hawkins
2:12pm: The deal is official; Hawkins signed for $3.5MM plus incentives.
10:22am: According to Jose de Jesus Ortiz, the Astros will complete and announce the signing of LaTroy Hawkins today. It'll be a one-year deal worth around $3.75MM.
Hawkins, 36 in December, posted a 3.92 ERA in 62 innings with the Yankees and Astros this year. However, he was lights out after joining the Astros on July 30th - he allowed just one earned run in 21 innings.
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How does this guy continue to make this kind of money?
Posted by: giants08 | November 07, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Yay.... Welcome back Hawkins... Hopefully he does an excellent job next yr for the stros!!!
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Low risk signing. He's worth the change if he continues to pitch well, and if not it's on a one year deal. Not a bad one here.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 07, 2008 at 10:36 AM
giants08- he was pretty good for the Astros..... So he is worth the money.... He could be making more somewhere else.
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I didnt realize he was so effective in Houston. Im glad it worked out for him as he is a notoriously great guy. It was hard watching him in pinstripes as I liked the person but hated the contribution.
Posted by: Scottsdale01 | November 07, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Scottsdale01- he was amazing since coming over from the Yanks.... I guess he couldn't live up to the pressure in NY. People laughed when Wade traded for him, but he turned his season around and did amazing. I don't think he can maintain his era he had this yr with the astros the whole yr, next yr.... A 2.65-3.30 wouldn't be too bad for him and the Astros.
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Do you realize how dominant he was last year for the Astros? 25 K / 5 BB and only 11 hits in 21 innings. This is a great signing.
Posted by: HL | November 07, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Not sure if it's the best use of $3.75M, but not a bad deal by any means. He's a solid reliever who posted some real nice numbers in Houston, and on a one year deal he's a lower risk than going after a Juan Cruz.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 07, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I'd love to have him back with the Rockies instead of Vizcaino.
Posted by: ProgMatinee | November 07, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Scribble- he could be making more some where else.... And he does seem to like Houston..... But hopefully he'll do good for the Astros next yr.. Since Brocail might not be back next yr.
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 11:16 AM
"Low risk signing. He's worth the change if he continues to pitch well"
Wow, very enlightening.
IMO he is vastly overpaid. Wade and the Astros are a joke.
Posted by: clarknaddison | November 07, 2008 at 11:18 AM
"IMO he is vastly overpaid. Wade and the Astros are a joke."
How could he be vastly overpaid if he would make more on the open market, and is being paid right in line with what other veteran relievers make? And then there is the whole he posted a 0.43 ERA, 25/5 K/BB, and gave up just 11 hits in 21 innings. I think there is little to complain about in this deal.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 07, 2008 at 11:22 AM
This is what joining the NL will do for you.
Some guys just can't hack it in the majors and yet will do great in the minors which is what the NL is. Pitching stats in the NL is worth nothing to me and Jake Peavy amongst others will find this out.
Posted by: slashieboy | November 07, 2008 at 11:30 AM
"And he does seem to like Houston"
Well he lives in Houston and is from there.
Posted by: tmengd | November 07, 2008 at 11:30 AM
IMO they may have given him a little much but not bad considering it's just a 1 year deal. Interested to see how he'll do next year. Anything below a 3.75 ERA and I'll be satisfied.
Posted by: Astrosws20 | November 07, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I think the fact that it was a sample size of 21 innings is enough to say he isnt worth that much. He did very well in Houston, fine, but he didn't have a great year.
To expect him to continue to post numbers better than he ever has is a bit ... dumb.
Posted by: Bdlugz | November 07, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Slashie, how's it feel to know that your precious major leagues got demolished by the "minors" in the world series this year?
These comments about AAAA are absolutely pointless.
Posted by: Bdlugz | November 07, 2008 at 11:32 AM
"How could he be vastly overpaid if he would make more on the open market, and is being paid right in line with what other veteran relievers make? And then there is the whole he posted a 0.43 ERA, 25/5 K/BB, and gave up just 11 hits in 21 innings. I think there is little to complain about in this deal."
his era was close to4.00, name me a reliever last year that posted a 4.00 era that made close to 4mm. Maybe Howry. He couldnt get that kind of money and a muti year deal so he took a 1 year deal w/ more money....
Posted by: clarknaddison | November 07, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I didn't realize he was from around Houston.
Ummm how much did Heilman make last yr? And do remember Gagne made 10 mil last yr.
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I'm tired of douches like CLARKNADDISON talking down on my Astros just because he's a sorry ass cubs fan. Dude, seriously if you don't have anything nice to say, maybe you shouldnt say anything at all. Octavio Dotel made like 5 million in 2007. Joe Borowski made 4 million with a plus 5 era. Lets see. LMAO Shawn Freakin Chacon made 3,850,000 in 07. Dude ClarkNADDISON hop out of your dillusional world for one second where relievers honor their hefty contracts with 4.00 or less ERAs. I'm sure I could list more.
Posted by: AstrosCurseonBraves | November 07, 2008 at 12:42 PM
so where does this leave signing wolf and brocail? Still think we are in on Peavy even though nothing has been said about it due to Wade not talking about potential trades...........just a thought
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Great low risk signing. Like many people properly explained without being overtaken by that certain special bias for their certain team. Atleast I can admit when the Astros make mistakes unlike several others who praise their team for getting knocked out of the first round by the wild card team. :]
Posted by: AstrosCurseonBraves | November 07, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Name 5 guys who has found it easier in the AL and I'll give you 50 who has been out machines once in the NL.
Posted by: slashieboy | November 07, 2008 at 01:38 PM
TheTeej- yeah Wade is very Quiet, He was before he traded for Val, Tejada, Bourn&Geary.
Slashieboy- I cam think of two relievers right now that is on top of my head.... Miller and Wheeler.... I think they had better yrs( this yr) with the Rays.... Overall they did good.
Ummm Ole Jones( tigers closer) he once was in the NL a long time a go....
Posted by: elcaballofan08/09 | November 07, 2008 at 01:46 PM
you're really calling someone names for explaining in realistic terms why he believes this is not a good deal, then you turn around and make a blanket statement about Cubs fans and their apparent praise of the Cubs for their playoff appearances? C'mon man, don't be a hypocrit
The fact of the matter is, signing a releaver that is 35 with a career ERA of 4.64 and a career WHIP of 1.45 to nearly a 4M agreement is NOT a "smart move" for most teams; hate to be the bearer of bad news.
If you're happy with the way Wade just spent the 4m, then great! If you think that everyone will side with you, you're wrong.
Also, if you think that Cubs fans are not some of the most critical fans of their team in all of baseball regarding trades and performance, you're delusional.
Posted by: Bdlugz | November 07, 2008 at 02:30 PM
It'd be interesting to see if they can compete this upcoming season.
Bdlugz, it is a one year deal. He had fantastic numbers in enough time for the stros, a .43 ERA. 3.75mil is nothing in today's market, good signing for Houston...his numbers are bloated by early in his career when he was being thrown from starter to reliver, reliever to starter and being forced to throw over 100 IP. Go look at his stats since 2000, he has been a real fine reliever.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 07, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Astros signed japenese reliever................
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/6100443.html
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 03:46 PM
oh and i believe hypocrite is mispelled above........................just sayin
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 03:47 PM
and once again CLARKANDADDISON or whatever your name is..."mm" is the abbreviation for milimeters not millions...................sometimes stuff like that just lets people know how much you do not know......I think the Hawkins signing was decent, he did very solid after leaving the Yank-me's, so let's see what he has this year. Very minimal money in my opinion for him. NOW, let's go get wolf and sign a couple other key spots.......
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM
*millimeters
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Who the hell calls someone a hypocrite, but can't spell the word for themselves? A cubs fan. Thats who. Um Bdlugz, How do you feel about Jim Hendry blowing millions on Fukudome and Marquis? Atleast the Astros get their moneys worth in deals. We dont sit around paying 4th outfielders 12-14 million dollars and a 5 or 6 guy in a rotation for 8 million dollars a year respectively. Good Job Bdlugs, The Cubs do have Mr. "Elite" Josh Vitters. I could hear one of your stupid trade proposals. Pie, Cedeno, blah blah blah for Peavy. Whatever dude.
Posted by: AstrosCurseonBraves | November 07, 2008 at 04:29 PM
"Wow, very enlightening."
The hell is your problem? Do you want me to spout off some numbers in every single post? Pretty sure I'm a bit more "enlightened" in my views and knowledge about the game over yours. Take a hike.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 07, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Unfortunately for you, numbers are what we base performance on. Even if you want to sugar coat that with horrid trade proposals for Jake Peavy, it wont work.
Posted by: AstrosCurseonBraves | November 07, 2008 at 04:42 PM
"Who the hell calls someone a hypocrite, but can't spell the word for themselves? A cubs fan. Thats who. Um Bdlugz, How do you feel about Jim Hendry blowing millions on Fukudome and Marquis? Atleast the Astros get their moneys worth in deals. We dont sit around paying 4th outfielders 12-14 million dollars and a 5 or 6 guy in a rotation for 8 million dollars a year respectively."
LOL
Woody Williams
Miguel Tejada
Yes, recent memories can tell us that the Astros sure do make some great signings and trades. They would never pay 13M for a SS with a .729 OPS or 6.5M for a SP with a 5.27 ERA. Never!
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 07, 2008 at 04:43 PM
"Unfortunately for you, numbers are what we base performance on. Even if you want to sugar coat that with horrid trade proposals for Jake Peavy, it wont work."
I would bet anything that I understand those numbers that you refer to a bit more than you. The fact that I don't randomly come in a LaTroy Hawkins post and start talking about his VORP doesn't mean I don't base performance on them. I'm guessing this is way over your head already.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 07, 2008 at 04:46 PM
we payed woody 6 mill not to play i think i wanna say thanks Purpora........glad he is gone......anyhow good to see the bleeding blue fightin for their team...i commend that for sure....anyhow, Hawkins is actually making less this year by almost a mill or as CLARKANDADDISON would say "mm" haha, sorry i digress sometimes....i feel that getting paid less for better performance is PRETTY SMART on the Astros part.just sayin
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 05:23 PM
CORRECTION:
2005 Chicago Cubs $4,500,000
2006 Baltimore Orioles $4,400,000
2007 Colorado Rockies $3,250,000
Sorry getting paid less than what the Cubbies paid him.........
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Hawkins VORP with the Astros by the way just for giggles is over 10................not over my head yet
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 05:38 PM
"This is what joining the NL will do for you.
Some guys just can't hack it in the majors and yet will do great in the minors which is what the NL is. Pitching stats in the NL is worth nothing to me and Jake Peavy amongst others will find this out"
The minor league Phillies apparently didn't get the memo. Asspirate.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 07, 2008 at 05:50 PM
elcaballo, Heilman made about a million last year. Maybe 1.2 or something. But don't even listen to what Clarknaddison says. The way I see it, if he thinks its a bad move, Astro fans should be pumped.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 07, 2008 at 05:52 PM
"Yes, recent memories can tell us that the Astros sure do make some great signings and trades. They would never pay 13M for a SS with a .729 OPS or 6.5M for a SP with a 5.27 ERA. Never!"
Zing!
"I would bet anything that I understand those numbers that you refer to a bit more than you. The fact that I don't randomly come in a LaTroy Hawkins post and start talking about his VORP doesn't mean I don't base performance on them. I'm guessing this is way over your head already."
Cubbyfan23 is one of my new favorite posters. The funny thing is, when you copied and pasted somebody elses entry and responded to it, I believe it was our good buddy Clarknaddisons post, telling him to lay off, this AstroscurseonBraves guy responded to you like you were arguing with him. When meanwhile, you were defending the signing all along.
"Unfortunately for you, numbers are what we base performance on. Even if you want to sugar coat that with horrid trade proposals for Jake Peavy, it wont work."
That is the post I was talking about. That was an unnecesarry shot at a person who was pretty much defending the signing all along. AstroscurseOnBraves should go back up and re-read the comments section. Pretty sure he picked a fight with the wrong person, then got his ass kicked.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 07, 2008 at 06:01 PM
I dont understand nrmax, the NL is the minors? not hatin on you just don't understand what you are trying to say i guess.
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | November 07, 2008 at 06:02 PM
It was sarcasm TheTEEJ. I thought people would see the sarcasm in me calling the world series champions a minor league team. No, it was not a shot at the Phils.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 07, 2008 at 06:15 PM
Yeah I didn't get the hostility either, I love the signing for the Astros, but I digress. I was being facetious about the VORP comment, I'm sure you understand how it works. Just have to defend myself every once in a while. :)
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 07, 2008 at 06:35 PM
He does alot better in the NL. He sucked with the Yankees.
Posted by: yankfan1 | November 07, 2008 at 06:44 PM
"This is what joining the NL will do for you.
Some guys just can't hack it in the majors and yet will do great in the minors which is what the NL is. Pitching stats in the NL is worth nothing to me and Jake Peavy amongst others will find this out."
World Series Champions:
2000- Yankees
2001- Diamond Backs
2002- Angels
2003- Marlins
2004- Red Sox
2005- White Sox
2006- Cardinals
2007- Red Sox
2008- Phillies
WS winners in the 2000's:
AL- 5 Wins
NL- 4 Wins
Hmm...seems close to me.
Posted by: studio179 | November 08, 2008 at 12:20 AM
clarknaddison The cubs were eliminsted early in the playoffs , The cubs havn't been to the wrld series in a 100 years , The astros went to the world series in 2005 and in 1997 , 1998 or 1999 or some thing the astros won a 120 games. Ed wade was the one who recruited pat burrell , ryan howard , chase utley , jimmy rollins and some of the pitching staff for the world series winners this year: The phillies. So ed wade and the astros don't suck. Even though houston lost all four games in the world series , but even so.
Ed wade and the astros don't suck.
Posted by: lancedm | November 11, 2008 at 04:27 PM
I meant eliiminated not eliminsted. I type too fast with one finger.
Posted by: lancedm | November 11, 2008 at 04:28 PM
I forget if they won 120 games in a season in 1997 , 1998 , 1999 or not.
Posted by: lancedm | November 11, 2008 at 04:29 PM