Jake Peavy Rumors: Thursday

What was the sticking point for the Braves? They didn't want to sub in Flowers for Gorkys?

I hope the Cubs move on to Furcal and DeJesus. Lets keep Vitters/Samardzija. We also need to work on trading Marquis. I really want to see Marshall in our rotation, but I think he would be part of a David DeJesus deal.

hey land-man...with the way flowers is raking right now (jesus the kid's got 12 HRs in the AFL games), do you blame the braves?

i will repeat it...the braves would be better just to sit tight and deal with mediocrity and keep the $ for next year and understand that they'll be competitive in 2010 when huddy comes back and their young ones (schafer, freeman, heyward, flowers, hicks, hanson, medlin, etc.) are ready to fill the holes and they could sign another stud.

BUT, and here's the rub...Liberty wants them to be competitive, so the front office needs an ace...they think peavy is it...

but why not Hallady?

maybe the cubs could trade derrek lee to the yankees to cut salary or something

Flowers has proven he belongs in the same sentence as Wieters.

In the time it took me to login:

"Flowers may be the best offensive catcher in the minor leagues."

Sure... if you dismiss some guy named Matt Wieters.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 20, 2008 at 09:12 AM

Yeah as a Braves fan, there is no way Flowers has more offensive upside than Wieters. I'd argue Montero of the Yankes is ahead of him as well and there are a few guys that are probably right up there.

youd have to ask a braves fan, i dont know, i know lee would be a much easier solution for the yankees then tex and a better solution then swisher, jaun miranda and something else should be enough i would guess

"Flowers has proven he belongs in the same sentence as Wieters. "

ok.

Flowers will never be as good as Wieters.

there ya go both names in same sentence.

here is an idea... the cubs could trade d lee and marquis to the angels (they will need a 1B if they dont get tex) they could send prospects to SD, we could also send pie or cedeno to SD and the cubs get peavy and giles/gonzalez... there is a third team... the angels get a 1B we get a left handed bat and peavy

Financial restraints? A team that sells out every game, gets 20% of revenues from rooftop owners, sells their own tickets above face value across the street by team-owned ticket brokers, that will soon have their own network? This is the team that has financial restraints?

I am so tired of this ongoing sale of the Cubs, I want an Owner to be held accountable after years of the Tribune Company hiding the Cubs profits in their books. According to sources the Cubs made $170M in gross revenues in 2008, that is a joke. I'm tired of hearing about it. Does anyone else remember that bleacher seats were $15 a decade ago? Now $50 for a weekend or night game.

Aduncaroo, people run on McCann all day long. He's not a great defensive catcher, but he calls games well. I think a catcher's value lies in calling games (Varitek) or offense (Piazza). To do both well is a bonus. To throw everyone out on top of that is ridiculous...Oh, and I love McCann.

hernandez_cubs ...

The Angels do not want Lee or Marquis. Those 2 together in a package is worth absolutely nothing.

Pie and Cedeno are NOT going to come close to netting Giles/Gonzalez + Peavy.

Seriously, this is just an awful trade.

"here is an idea... the cubs could trade d lee and marquis to the angels (they will need a 1B if they dont get tex) they could send prospects to SD, we could also send pie or cedeno to SD and the cubs get peavy and giles/gonzalez... there is a third team... the angels get a 1B we get a left handed bat and peavy"

If the Angels want a pitcher, and are ready to trade top prospects, why would they involve the Cubs? They'll just trade for Peavy directly.

I also fail to understand how trading Marquis, Lee, Pie and Cedeno brings back Peavy and Giles/Gonzalez...

I wish they would either sign peavy or just say they're not interested. This peavy to the cubs thing is starting to feel alot like blue balls

tfsmagCubs - best metaphor for the whole situation I've heard, including our (the Braves) perspective.

No idea why the Giants would trade for Peavy. That would be absolutely ignorant.

flowers hit that line in A ball.

Carlos Santana is also a better catching prospect than Flowers, just thought I would throw that out there as well. Off the top of my head I would say Buster Posey and Teagarden also fit the bill.

"Why on the face of the earth would the Pads want Marquis or Pie????? A huge salary in Marquis for a #5 (at best) and a player that is reaching bust status. Sure, Pads would love to give you anything you want for those two bags of hammers."

The Pads are interested in Pie. He's 23, and has the ability to play a great center field in PetCo. He has a great arm, good range, and some impressive speed. He should be able to hit above league average once he gets some solid at bats under his belt in the bigs. He just needs somewhere to develop, not come off the bench for two weeks before getting sent back down.

As for the Marquis comment... for the two years he has pitched with the Cubs he has posted an OPS+ of 101 and 99. The average OPS+ of a #5 pitcher is 85. He is more than a capable #5, in fact, he was one of the better #5s last year. His salary is a boon, but the Cubs would be willing to eat 4M or so and make him reasonable at 5M for 1 year. How is he worse making 5M for 1 year (or 9M for that matter) when Garland is going to look for 3/30M?

haha sandiegoguy is living in lala land isn't he!?

marquis would be a 3 or a 4 on most teams, especially in the NL west. He went 11-9 for the season with a 4.59 ERA.

Especially when you look at some of the turds that were already in san diego's rotation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=sdg&cat=thirdInnings&season=2008&split=0&seasonType=2&type=reg

hell there's only two guys (peavy and young) that had winning records that started over 10 games! San Diego is in a bad spot right now, don't overestimate what they're willing to get rid of peavy for.

The $4 mil bonus that Dempster got doenst come out of this years budget.

I read an article somewhere that basically said that Towers is basically handling these negotiations in the worst way possible. Entirely too transparent about everything. I think the way it usually works out is you don't hear anything official from the management or the player until the deal is basically done pending a physical.

"Flowers has proven he belongs in the same sentence as Wieters."

Yeah.. the one you just typed. Flowers is a good pitching prospect, but Matt Wieters is the best prospect in all of baseball, and it's damn near a consensus.

We're talking about a guy with plus hitting tools in contact and power, as well as plus plate discipline, solid speed, and good defense with a plus arm at catcher. Tell me a guy with a higher upside than that, and I'll tell you you're wrong. Picture Mike Piazza with plus defense. Man those Pirates are dumb for not drafting him.

Top catching prospects in all of baseball are essentially Matt Wieters, J.P. Arencibia, Jesus Montero, Taylor Teagarden, Jason Castro, Buster Posey, Tyler Flowers, Kyle Skipworth, Wilson Ramos, Lou Marson, Angel Salome and Hank Conger.

Wieters is a step above every single one of those guys.

The braves better start talking with towers again because the way it looks now they aren't gonna land burnett or lowe.They need to offer to john garland, ben sheets ,and oliver perez. get at least one of them signed then aquire peavy.

"Why on the face of the earth would the Pads want Marquis or Pie????? A huge salary in Marquis for a #5 (at best) and a player that is reaching bust status. Sure, Pads would love to give you anything you want for those two bags of hammers.

As was so well put by others on this site...shhhhhhhhh, the adults are speaking"

SanDiegoGuy if you'd like to be considered amongst the adults in this conversation, then you'd be wise to familiarize yourself with Kevin Towers' attraction to Felix Pie. He's tried trading for him several times already, including offering Khalil Greene for him straight up, before Greene tanked in '08 and was still a slick-fielding, power hitting SS with two years remaining on a team-friendly contract.

I doubt Towers' opinion has changed a whole lot with the passing of one mediocre year.

Marquis is a nice fit for some teams; the Pads aren't one of them.

or spread out over 4 years?

Is there any documentation for Dempster's signing bonus not counting against payroll this year? I know this happens sometimes, but I haven't seen anything about it yet either way.

There is no reason to call Carrie ugly from Tim's perspective, and he would probably like to keep a good relationship between he and the writers as Tim seems to email a lot of them pretty frequently. So, making sure the comments are "above the belt" so to speak seems completely reasonable...don't you think?

Pie does interest the Pads, while Marquis would not.

I actually think that the holdup for a 3rd team might NOT actually be because the Cubs have to get the pitching prospects, but they have to unload a contract in the process to be able to take on Peavy's. It might actually be both...but I'm with Tim on the fact that the Cubs have hit payroll, or very close to it already. They want a left handed bat and already have next to no money to get it (hence the talks with the Royals, Marlins etc about getting a cheap one). I think the Peavy talks are done for the Cubbies unless some other team wants to take on an expensive contract and a prospect or two, and give back a pitching prospect in the process. AKA...not happening.

"I dont agree with Tim. If you are running a site in which you allow comments being posting you should be more respectful of peoples opinion. If someone doesnt like a writeer they should have the right to say so. Its ok that we say something negative about a baseball player. With that said..."

There's a big difference between complaining about a writer, and complaining about the content on this site. The content on this site won't change because of your complaint, so it's just a waste of everyone's time.

"Masterson/similar, Santana, and Scott Lewis/David Huff for Peavy? With maybe someone like Choo or Gutierrez as a topper for the ML team. That would seem to make sense for both sides and could work with LaPorta in there instead of Santana."

I actually like this deal for both teams. The Padres get a top pitching prospect, a top catching prospect, a solid young pitcher and a solid young outfielder for Peavy.

Honestly, I like this deal more for San Diego than I do for Cleveland.

If they dealt both Kelly Shoppach and Carlos Santana, Cleveland would be left without a long term catcher, and it's likely that Martinez won't be able to last there much longer.

In terms of value, the deal is a very solid one for Cleveland, but I think the Indians would try to deal from guys like Nick Weglarz, Beau Mills and/or Wes Hodges before they think about moving Santana.

First off, the discussion about Wieters vs Flowers was from a purely offensive stand point. The statement that got the discussion started was someone said Flowers may be the best offensive C prospect in baseball to which several people brought up Wieters and a couple brought up Montero. I agree that those 2 are clearly ahead of Flowers right not from an offensive stand point but think he is right there with everyone else. We weren't talking about defense or even simply prospect value. All things considered, yes Wieters is far ahead of everyone else at C (I don't believe Montero is because his defense is just as suspect as Flowers). Wieters is clearly the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball while Flowers is probably in the higher portion (51-75) of the bottom half of the top 100. If you are going to slam people for their comments/opinions actually read them before commented.

Also to take scribbletone point a step further, there is a big difference between simply saying "I don't like writer x" and saying derogatory comments about writer x. For a website which probably 90% of their content comes from other writers and sources, Tim can't really allow his readers to say whatever they want about whoever they want.

Wonder if the yanks would trade for:

1. J. Peavy
2. R. Halladay

or both

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Who would go where in a deal for Ludwick with the Braves? I've heard Kelly Johnson's name thrown around but would the Braves really trade Escobar and Johnson??

arod13, the blue jays would not trade Halladay within the devision.

is still pretty good.....posted that last one before I finished typing.

The other day, I read an article online saying Ted Turner is interested in purchasing the club.

Here's hoping he does!

"The Braves and Padres need each other.... For what[?]"

Padres need (or want) to slash payroll and Braves need starting pitching. And, no, the Braves may not be contenders in '09 but Peavy would be under contract until, what, 2013 or something like that? Surely the Braves can put something together between now and then.

I dont think the cubs want to give up Lee in a Peavy deal, It made makes more sense when it came up for Cain, becasue of the price and age.
To make the peavy deal work they want to give up young non-major league ready talent. Which they dont have enough... Which is why the deal is not done yet...

Wonder if the yanks would trade for:

1. J. Peavy
2. R. Halladay

or both

right.. who exactly would you have to trade for them?

best catchers in the minors

wieters(has monster all star written all over him)
montero(no chance he stays behind the plate but he hits BOMBS)
teagarden
posey
skipworth

"Trade

J. Peavy
1. A. Jackson
2. I. Kennedy
3. M. Melancon
4. H. Sanchez
5. contract increase

R. Halladay
1. P. Hughes
2. R. Cano
3. M. Cabrera
4. D. Betances
5. contract increase

something like this"

I totally disagree. For the Yankees to get Peavy, they would have to give up Hughes and probably Jackson. For the Yankees to get Halladay, they would have to give up Hughes, Cabrera, and maybe Kennedy. The Yankees aren't giving Hughes and Kennedy for the same player. To be honest, Cano hasn't even proven to good enough to be in the Majors.

"For the Yankees to get Peavy, they would have to give up Hughes and probably Jackson."

Towers told the Yankees they dont need to offer Hughes to make a deal for Peavy.

"Show me the article."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/rosenthals-l-10.html

LOL desertbraves! Funny stuff.

Just a comment from what I've read in the paper over the last year about Towers and Felix Pie; I think that last offseason, Pie had a lot of value in Towers' eyes. Towers saw him as a good CF for Petco, who could lead off and hit for average.

The problem is that Pie really hurt his value when he failed to command a starting OF spot out of spring training. SD wants hitters for average above anything else, because this is the hitting mentality Sandy Alderson is preaching throughout the farm system. Patience at the plate, make the pitcher throw a lot of pitches, don't give ant AB away.

From what they (Towers and Alderson) have seen of Pie last year, it certainly brought some of the hype down. Whether they still like Pie is not the question, but how much they still like him. Last offseason, he was a highly-regarded prospect who could've been the centerpiece of a trade. This year, because of what they saw, I don't think that's the case anymore. Just my opinion, from reading Towers' comments about Pie last year in the SD press.

I think Towers started looking for a CF last year (finally signed Edmonds and Gerut), but he had looked at Crisp, Pie, and others. I remember him making a comment like "you can't steal first base." Sure the speed is nice, especially in Petco, but you have to get on base.