Jake Peavy Rumors: Thursday

Please do NOT trade Jackson...

I dont like it but at least he said hughes OR Jackson.

Oh well I guess the Braves dont want to get this done.

ug as a yank fan I really wish we had more than like 3 prospects at or close to mlb ready

I would not hang up on the thought the Braves are out of it. My Cubs are longshots and I don't care what reports come in until a deal is done. It's all Negotiations.

tsweet,

What is Infante? I bet nearly Braves fan thinks that Infante can take over for Escobar at short. Imagine having a rotation in 2010 of Peavy, Hudson, Jurrjens, and another quality starter. Having those three and another good pitcher in the rotation would be more powerful than any Braves rotation since Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz. Even more powerful than that rotation.

Well, unfortunately, while Tim said OR, Feinsand said AND, making this rumor hopefully no-go. I have no illusions that Jackson will contribute in 2009, but he is somebody the Yankees have to be hoping will be good for them in the future. Seriously, if we trade him, we're looking at seriously declining power as Matsui and Damon slide further and possibly leave as free agents, with only Gardner and Melky to replace them. I'm not as down on those two as many Yankees fans seem to be, but they are definitely not the hitters that Damon and Matsui are. Jackson has the talent to be a decent hitting center fielder, and trading him for Peavy is throwing away the future to hopefully make the post-season in the present. I don't like it and given how active we're certainly going to be this off-season, we're clearly not going to draft our way to the top in the imminent future.

Also, before anyone suggests it, we're not going to solve the aging problem by then trading for Holliday. We can barely put together a package to get Peavy, we'd have nothing left to get Holliday, and I don't really want him anyway when we can likely get him as a free agent next year if we REALLY want him. It's not even that I don't think he's a worthwhile talent, it's that we don't need to trade for him since he's made it clear he wants to try free agency no matter what. I say see what he costs in 2010.

If GM KT can pull out Hughes, Kennedy and AJack, AND convince Peavy to go to NY, he might be the most amazing GM ever.

csg,

If you want good players, you got to trade good players. So, unless Wren gives up Escobar or Johnson, the Braves will have the same players.

I seriously doubt the Yankees would be willing to give up both Hughes and Jackson. The Yankees really need Jackson to become a staple in that outfield, because Matsui, Nady and Damon will all be gone after 2009, and honestly with that payroll and need to always contend, Gardner and Melky don't deserve major playing time. I just think Cashman knows that the Yankees kind of need Jackson for 2010, and wouldn't include him in an offer.

Then again I think something like Phil Hughes, Austin Romine, one of Kennedy, Betances and Brackman, and a fourth prospect could probably get it done. Hughes is still probably an equal as a prospect to Hanson, so I'm sure that Towers would be thrilled to land him.

"If GM KT can pull out Hughes, Kennedy and AJack, AND convince Peavy to go to NY, he might be the most amazing GM ever."

I would probably feel the same way, except his team did lose 99 games last season and isn't close to contending, so I'd be hesitant.

Esco, Schafer, Morton, Locke seems like too much for me. I'm not going to be too terribly upset if the deal happens but I hope wren walks away.

I would rather have escobar at short Schafer in Center Infante at second with Ludwick in left.

While not directing this at any possible trade scenario, I think Kennedy would do very well in SD or in a similar such park. It would give him time to develop under the radar in a pitcher's park.

JRD, who said I didnt want to give up good players? Im fine with making a trade for Peavy, but if we do trade Escobar then we better find a better replacement than Infante at SS

The Cubs got Peavy?

csg,

We have other opinions. Their is a thing called free agency. Maybe sign a shortstop or move Jones to short and sign a third baseman.

"We have other opinions. Their is a thing called free agency. Maybe sign a shortstop or move Jones to short and sign a third baseman."

LOL, I hope you were joking.

I don't think Infante would start at SS. Braves would give Lillibridge every opportunity. If he can hit his way out of a paper sack, he's a better option, because he's solid defensively (in fact, very good).

Defense would be the first criteria (especially with an upgraded pitching staff). Plus, Infante is too valuable as a sub who can play multiple positions.

"Locke/Ecosbar/Morton/Schafer
is a lot to give up, thou admittly i would prefer Rohrbough over Morton, simply cause that would add another lefty to our system, which we lack, and there is no point in adding an arm to the rotation not to compete."

Sorry Mr. Padre fan, but it's already been made clear that the Padres will not get both Yunel and Schafer. Now if Towers prefers Schafer, then maybe Wren will throw in Kelly (doubtful). As for the second pitcher, I doubt Rohrbough would be him. Morton or Reyes seem to be the better fits.

Anyway, I like the potential deal for both sides. Hopefully it can get done sooner rather than later.

Bravesfan89... Unfortunately Olney seems to think the deal would include all of those guys. Hopefully hes off. I would much rather walk away.

I am with you Bravesfan. Escobar, Morton and maybe Locke should be the limit for a package surrounding Esco.

JRD, still dont know what your referring to. I never said I cared one way or the other about dealing Escobar or KJ. I was just telling you that most braves fans dont feel that Infante is a good replacement for Yunel.

btw, I hope you were joking about moving Chip to SS

Scribbletone..serious question here.
You say Gardner and Melky don't deserve more playing time but have annointed AJax the CF of the future. Why is that? Why don't Melky and Gardner get a chance? What has AJax proven that they have not?

since when did Rich Harden fit what Kevin Towers is looking for? young, cheap starting pitching?

The price of pitching is skyrocketing even with the craptastic economy, its scary. Though admittedly it helps the Padres here with Peavy, cause he deal keeps looking better and better. But i still have to agree with Bdlugz, how does Harden help the Padres. Not much. And i would think that the cubs are trying to get a deal done that will not adversely effect the major league club, since they intend to compete this year.

But i am glad they are on board, since that means there is at least two players for Peavy, at least one will hopefully give us what the Padres want, or at least close.

Thinking about this...I'm actually kind of scared that Marmol could be involved.

Marmol/Marshall/Pie maybe? Throw in Cedeno as well? Thats expensive...

Jake, I'm best friends with Kevin Towers, and he said that minor league players aren't called by the GM to mention that they will be involved. Your best friend has absolutely no more information than we do, so unless you feel like contributing go elsewhere please.

Do you need a tampon, Bdlugz?

I dont know guys it just doesnt seem likely that some one would make up a story about being friends with Locke of all people. The post wasnt any ground breaking insider information, but give the guy a break.

Mat Latos is a better Pitching Prospect than Locke despite both having injury concerns. I imagine if this trade did go through, they'd both be teammates at San Antonio next season.

I assumed this is the reaction this post would get. Everything I said is 100% true. Why would I make up being friends with a semi-known prospect in the Braves system? Yeah, maybe I didn't contribute much to the conversation but I thought people here might like to know.

Jeff has never had an arm injury in his life so I don't know where that came from. He got through his first full season totally healthy.

Again, he was talking to Jeff's agent. That doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me.

harden in now way fills a need for the padres, i'll leave it at that. dempster 5/75? outrageous. utterly ridiculous. if those are his demands, let him go, throw the kitchen sink at peavy (which still may not be enough) and re-sign wood.
i don't think the shark's going anywhere either. him leaving football was predicated on the NTC, or so we've heard, hard to see him waiving it now. he's from northwest indiana, he loves chicago. i'll believe that when i see it.
"marmol/marshall/pie, maybe even cedeno"- boy that is pretty expensive. and if there's one thing towers loves and knows hot to do well, it's build a good bullpen on the cheap. i think marshall's proven himself as an effective 5th starter/swingman/LOOGY. i really try and not get too attached to relievers since they can be so unpredictable, but i LOVE marmol and i would hate to lose him. assuming the pads retain hoffman, who better for marmol to learn from than hoffman?
having said that, the shark (tired of spelling his name out) can probably handle the 8th. but if you lose marmol, you MUST retain wood, and that is obviously risky. when i said earlier "throw the kitchen sink at peavy" i was implying anything not currently a major contributor to the major league club. including marmol in a trade for peavy creates a hole i'm not sure i'm ready to create.

Marshall, ceda, Samardzija, Cedeno and someone else would be good

locke has pretty good stuff but his numbers were not very good last year. i cant see how he would have much value

"Marshall, ceda, Samardzija, Cedeno and someone else would be good"

Once again, Jeff Samardzija has a no trade clause. He would only leave football if the Cubs gave him one, so I doubt he would waive it to go to San Diego.

I think that the deal definitely includes Sean Marshall, Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno and Jose Ceda, although the Cubs would likely need to include a high end player to that package to land Peavy. If they're serious about this though.. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Marquis/Samardzija/Gaudin. That's a dominant rotation.

Classic Jackass Red Sox fan, calling the Yankees prospects inferior. A deal involving the So. Cal. Native Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson and another pitching prospect like Horne/Wright would be more than sufficient to make the Peavy trade happen. Now as for the Padres fans having an opinion in any matter, on what you deserve and want, your opinion doesn't count, your franchise is a below average/basement dwelling joke who almost lost 100 games. Get a clue, then change over to being an Angels fan, thats your best bet...

Is it just me or does is appear that Frank Wren messing his opportunity to get Peavy. Wren seems pretty stubborn and may blow a chance to get one of the leagues best SP's.

Locke is a solid pitching prospect. End of story.

Aduncaroo I know that Pie and Cedeno would be included, but they are not centerpieces. The only player in the cubs system in my opinion that would classify as that is Vitters. And like i have said in the past i am not sure the cubs would want to move him (since Samardzija (sp?) has a no trade clause). I just dont think Hill or Marshall have the upside or kind of service time the Padres desire. Hill has two years about (not sure if just over or just under) and Marshall has over 2 years of service time. And that stated goal of a Peavy trade is to get younger with players that have 5+ years of team control. For that matter Cedeno has over two years service time, and Pie has almost a year. So out of the 4 names most common to the discussion 3 of them have more service time than the Padres are looking for.

And RwStevens13, that would be called bandwagon fans, we are not fair weather fans, I am a Pads fan for life, so be it if they suck. Hopefully we will get better, thats why this trade is being explored.

yankees fans. dont bother making trade ideas not including phil hughes

chieftomahawk wren has been playing this beautifully. We cant afford to blow out our farm system to get one pitcher. Trust me if he gave up multiple top prsopects the backlash from atlanta fans would be crazy. He doesnt want to make a deal like the tex trade where we gave up absoutleey wayyyy to much.

there was an article (by buster olney maybe?), i think i read through this website, showing how little homegrown yankees have done since 1997. i'm not good at finding archives, or else i would include it.
but when people criticize yankees prospects, they are in the right.

in my opinion, they should build their team "farm up", like they did in the mid-nineties.

i actually, don't ask me why, think kennedy is going to be a better pitcher than hughes.
as for the rest of their prospects, i really don't know much. but i'm not a big "peavy in the AL" fan anyway. if you're going to make a trade, go apeshit and send chamberlin, kennedy, and jackson for roy halladay.
course that would never happen.

At his current rate of progression Austin JAckson projects to be Mike Cameron. Gold Glove D in center, maybe a few less HR somewhere around 18-20 and hit for a better average, maybe around .280 or so. Might walk a little more than cameron bill strikeout more than you like

You said you weren't sure why towers would be interested and said that you couldn't see Locke as having much value. I don't know about you, but to me that seems to apply he's not a good prospect. Obviously he isn't going to be one of the top 2 guys in a Peavy trade, but I can certainly see how he could be intriguing as a 3rd or 4th piece.

Chipper you may think he is playing it nicely but I disagree. I think he is about to loose Peavy to the Cubs. It seems like Towers is getting annoyed with Wren and is not happy with what Wren is willing to dish out.

point being towers wants starters near MLB ready. locke isnt.

.280 Mike Cameron would be approaching Jim Edmonds territory. Seems to be overshooting based on the reports I've read on Jackson.

yankeegrl that article has to be a few years old.

BBTM: I know I've said this before, but this article was cut off with the 2005 draft. Every Yankee fan knows there were a ton of issues up until around that point. Olney said nothing new unless he knows something we don't about the Yankees having to forfeit all their players from the last 3 or 4 drafts. I don't see that happening.

CW: Its the pre-2008 ranking. The graduation of Joba, overrating of Kennedy and poor 1/2 round of the 2008 draft will definitely take them down, although probably not out of the top half.

Casanova...March 2008

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7204

Boston...
It really is not alarming to me, I know most don't want to hear it, and the Yanks take a lot of flack for it, but when they need something they don't have, they throw cash around to get it. Their farm was good in the mid 90's cause they sucked in the late 80's and early 90's and had high draft picks..and knew what to do with them. Once they started winning again, they got the bottom of the barrel. Combo that with their lousy scouting and yea, their system was putrid for a while, but they are working to change that. Gene Michael is back as a consultant, he was the one who put together the winning teams of the 90's, Cashman had little to do with that.