White Sox Shopping Vazquez, Swisher?

YES WE DID! Barack's a Sox fan!!!!!!!

I would LOVE to see the Padres make a play for Swisher! Don't know that we would have anything the Sox would want though!

Mets fans need to stop dreaming of trading Luis Castillo. NO ONE WANTS HIM.

I think the Sox might be also talkng to the Rockies about Garret Atkins too. I think if the Sox were able to get him and maybe Taveras it would be a steal.

Braves get:
Vazquez
Swisher

Sox get:
Blanco/Anderson/Gorkys Hernandez
Charlie Morton/Jojo Reyes
Kelly Johnson
Tyler Flowers

Thoughts??

bravesfan23, thats not going to happen. The braves gm is not that stupid. Swisher and Vazquez are above average major league players and giving four solid prospects is just stupid. If i'm a Sox i'm saying hell yes.

swisher for huston street

do not be surprised if this happens

"Mets fans need to stop dreaming of trading Luis Castillo. NO ONE WANTS HIM. "

Dreaming is all we have left. Trust me, we know he isn't wanted.

I guess I am the only guy who still likes Vazquez and Swisher. I understand the idea of holding onto Nick, since it was his first year and they would be moving him for cents on the dollar, but Vazquez seems available. His name has been thrown around a lot and he and Ozzie had a little feud going in Chi town during the end of the year. He is making 23 mil over the next 2 years, so I could see him being moved. Castillo alone would not get it done, though the Mets might require that he be taken back by the Sox. Luis Castillo, Mike Carp, and a lower ceiling pitching prospect or two like Dillon Gee or Dylan Owen? Maybe Castillo and Heilman for Vazquez? I can definitely see Vazquez in NY, Omar has had interest in him before, after having him in Montreal. He will give you 200k's and 200 innings almost every year. Maybe a move to the NL to a pitchers park would give him that final boost to find his potential.

Icedrake -

A) The Sox CF needs to be a guy that steals bases. That is the only position that is reasonably able to be filled with a speed man on this team

B) Alexei Ramirez WILL NEVER be moved to 3rd base. Josh Fields will play there long before the Sox move Alexei to another new position. The only reason he played 2nd last season is because he was unproven as a major league player and Cabrera was a 1 season fix until they knew that Alexei could play SS everyday.

C) Gordon Beckham will be the Sox future 2nd or 3rd basemen. It has already been said that he will be making the shift to 2nd this season to prepare him for the majors. He will be MLB ready by 2010, projected. Castillo will still be in his current terrible contract at that time, making him worthless to the Sox.

D) Trading Javy alone will free up enough capital to make a free agent splash, but it will not be for Furcal. I am almost certain the Sox won't make a blockbuster signing unless it is for one the pitchers that are on the market, which is highly unlikely.

E) Nick Swisher > Ryan Church. Church may have a higher career average Swisher has more HR, RBI, OBP, and BB per season. Defensively neither are a legitimate option at CF. Swisher will stay in a Sox uniform and When Thome leaves Konerko will become DH and Nick will move to 1B.

Sox will not trade Javy or Swisher to the Mets for any of the guys mentioned by you. The one guy the Mets have to offer is Murphy, a prospect blocked by David Wright respectfully and the inability of the mets to move Castillo because of his notorious contract.

Mariners should look in on Swisher..

Mets current rotation is Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Niese, and Parnell? I really don't think they should rape their farm to trade for a mediocre Javy Vazquez. He's been trying to reach his potential for like 8 years now, its not going to happen. He is an innnings eating servicable 3rd, 4th starter. The Mets just need to pony up the money and keep Oliver Perez.

Willie Taveras sucks, I really hope the Sox stay away from that pile of garbage.

Just because we need speed doesn't mean we should go out and sacrifice talent just to get it. We need speedy players who are talented not speedy players that are not talented.

If KW really wants Willie Taveras he might as well just stick with the internal option of Jerry Owens who could probably put up the same numbers that Taveras did in 2008, or trade for Luis Castillo for that matter who yeah, has a terrible contract but has better numbers in recent years than Taveras, and is a proven leadoff hitter at least.

Whitesox have Jayson Nix and Chris Getz for 2B. They don't wait to overpay for Castillo.

Coco Crisp and Julio Lugo for Vazquez and a low level prospect.

Why for the Red Sox? They get rid of Lugo, get some value out of crisp, get a prospect, and find an inning eater for the 5th starter spot perhaps moving wake to the pen.

Why for the Chi Sox? Their needs are for a ss and for a center fielder. We take the guy they want off their hands and replicate almost identical salaries if combined. Kenny Williams has said he wants speed and athletism. AKA crisp and lugo who will steal a combined 65+ for the Chi Sox. Now chicago doesnt have to waste money on a center fielder or ss and can trade swisher for another need or go spend the money on a fa.... thoughts?

I couldn't agree more SoxWin. I'd much rather have Brian Anderson play evryday over Willy Taveras. The guy hit .251 with a .308 OBP playing half his games at Coors Field. Anderson is better defensively and has a much stronger arm. SB's are not THAT important.

yea..... SoxWin
Taveraz is garbage right? I mean 26 year olds that steal 68 Bases and can very well hit above .275 for average suck.... even though he hit .320 in 88 games back in '07 too

he can give you 30+ stolen bases every year when healthy

i have doubt in your decision making

The White Sox do not need a SS. It has already been determined that Alexei Ramirez will move over to SS, leaving 2B to in-house farm hand Chris Getz and new acquisition Jayson Nix. 3B will be Josh Fields, who was apparently injured last year and they feel will be able to play well going forward. RF, 1B, C, and DH are decided.

That leaves 2 spots for Swisher: LF or CF. Williams already said CF isn't an option, so unless a trade happens Swisher is going to be the starting LF. That leaves Owens and Anderson to fight for CF, with Owens getting an edge because of his speed.

Konerko doesn't want to play on the West Coast. He was offered significantly more money to play out there when he was a free agent after 2005. He chose Chicago, and got less money, because he likes it there. Unless he has had a change of heart, or understands what the White Sox are trying to do, he has no reason to accept a trade.

Looking at the roster, the White Sox currently are:

C AJ
1B Konerko
2B Getz/Nix
SS Ramirez
3B Fields
RF Dye
CF Anderson/Owens
LF Swisher
DH Thome

They would prefer to move Thome or Konerko to get Swisher out of the OF and play both Anderson and Owens, giving them speed and defense. Unfortunately as long as they have Konerko, Thome and Swisher they are going to have to make a choice between speed or defense unless they can land a player that has both.

bravesfan23,

Anderson (or Blanco)/JoJo/Flowers/KJ may be too much, but not by a lot.

If Williams wants a speed upgrade, Anderson's the better choice. Flowers will absolutely rock in the AL, and you can plug him in at C/1B/DH right away. KJ should put up excellent numbers in the AL, too.

What do you think about this trade:

Jack Wilson or Freddy Sanchez and Nyjer Morgan

for

Lance Broadway and another prospect or BP arm.

Not sure how highly regarded Lance is these days, but the White Sox would do a decent job at filling 2 holes and the Pirates get a young pitcher who's almost MLB ready and unload some salary. The Pirates need to get some value for Wilson because he's a very good fielder and an ok hitter. Their pitchers would be much worse without his defense.

bigpat -- although Williams says 'no one is untouchable' referring he'll trade anyone to better the team

i don't think he'd give him up too quickly

i wouldn't

Well the reason the Red Sox would be interested in Swisher is because he can play all 3 OF positions and 1B. Considering the question marks surrounding Mike Lowell's health and the fact that Swish could spell all of our OF (esp. Ellsbury who is prone to prolonged slumps and Drew who is prone to prolonged stays on the DL), I'd say Swish would be a perfect utility guy to take the Mark Kotsay role. Except Swish has more upside, is a great clubhouse guy, and his strong OBP surely must catch Theo's eye. And if we're giving up a Coco Crisp for him, I'm ok with that.

I will say, belliard's .OBP is pretty good at .372

"yea..... SoxWin
Taveraz is garbage right? I mean 26 year olds that steal 68 Bases and can very well hit above .275 for average suck.... even though he hit .320 in 88 games back in '07 too

he can give you 30+ stolen bases every year when healthy

i have doubt in your decision making"

Are you seriously arguing in favor of a supposed 'leadoff hitter' who has a 'major-league-average-esque' career OBP of .330?

Yeah crazy, what was I thinking? I for sure want a guy that cannot even put up an above average on-base as my leadoff hitter for sure! We will definitely go places then.

Oh need I mention that last year playing in 133 games he put up a line of .251/.308/.296. LOL wow this guy is great.

Exactly what my team needs a leadoff hitter that can't hit for average or get on-base coupled with having zero power or ability to hit for extra bases.

You know what you have convinced me Taveras on the Sox = league MVP and also World Series title. Book it.

I like Willie as a leadoff man a lot (I was at the game where he stole 5 bases at US Cellular). I truly think that if Swish gets to play at the Cell next year, he'll mask 35 or 40 homers in a comeback season. Vazquez...idk about.

SoxWin,
haha i got a lot to say for you it's gonna take 2 posts maybe

you give White Sox fans a bad rep... "putting up .251/.308/.296" that gives indication he's washed up at the age of 26 does it not? His PECOTA is going to be far from average for the rest of his old career huh. If I recall, who was the leader in stolen bases for the Sox in '08..... hm... yea, right.

Orlando Cabrera, when you say that Orlando Cabrera is your source of speed, that's a pretty cellar dwelling speed team, granted Owens didn't do crap for the W. Sox this year
he was the only source other than Cabrera
O.C didn't even reach 20 SB..... Tavares -- capable of tripling that

Tavares doesn't give you any speed with 68 SB last season and with that season averaging around 40 SB a season, yea, you are right, he's garbage i mean, if you can stop being ignorant for a minute and stop being a fair weather fan

Yea, Willy had a bum year outside of his phenomenal SB tally, batting just .251 and an .obp of just .308
"need i mention"
this is where you should just claim ignorance because in '05 he "put up a line of" .291/.325/.341 at the age of 23
now a .325 .obp isn't all that great but it's something
oh and the following year
.278/.333/.338 hmmm -- okay
oh and when he was traded to the Rockies
.320/.367/.382 in merely 100 games
need i mention he stole at least 33 bases each of those years.... okay -- 26 year old, very versatile and you act like he's a bum
because you can't open your eyes

why would you bring up over exaggerating that I'm basically telling you that you're arrogant and presuming that i think he's all "rah rah MVP caliber stamp the '09 world series for them Chicago White Sox cause Willy Tevares is in town"
convinced me that you gotta be some 14 year old kid trying to talk baseball and thinking you know what's right and what's wrong

he would be a pretty damn good asset to set the table for CQ, J.D, Paulie and Thome

o and is that your team? is that what your team needs? you should just become the GM of the White Sox huh? i mean, with your logic you can bring the White Sox down to the cellar of the A.L Central, congrats.

Cano for swisher sounds more reasonable. White Sox get a legit 2b with a similar contarct to swisher
swisher 21mill over three
cano 25mill over three with 2mill buyout for 2012
Yankees get there 1b on the cheap then sign hudson. All for less then the cost of texiera.

You mean the Gordon Beckham with 58 professional at bats? Three years of Cano would let beckham develop and if he forces himself on the big league roster cano could easily play third.

I forgot about Quentin because he missed the last month of the season and he wasn't on their current depth chart. It was a large oversight on my part. That makes Swisher a bench warmer for sure, because he won't be playing CF.

I never said they were staying pat with what they have, and I mentioned 2B, 3B, and CF as areas of need for them. SP is also a need, but that could be said of any team.

Having said that, KW has already come out and said he intends to go with youth for next season and he has full confidence in the players in his system. Don't expect huge splashes in the FA market or through trades. Last offseason most people had the White Sox pegged for last place, and look where they ended up. Kenny Williams doesn't give two cents what the public impression of his team is. If he thinks a younger team is better, he will go younger.

Kenny Williams also isn't afraid to let anyone go. While I doubt Konerko would get dealt period, my reasoning isn't that it is because he is the "face of the franchise." He was mediocre enough last season (102 OPS+) that fans don't want to see him in the lineup. Fans would be fine if he got traded, as long as something valuable was received in return.

Swisher isn't likely to get dealt, and he will ride the bench unless he starts to hit like he did in Oakland. Konerko and Thome seem to have forgotten how to hit in the start of the last two seasons so they will all get plenty of playing time to figure out who has shown up for the season.

This is Thome's last season in his contract, and I would assume that there is no reason he will be back for 2010. Konerko is younger and under contract instead of having to resign Thome. I can definitely see how Kenny is looking towards 2010 with a line-up of something like:

C - AJ (33 years old in 2010)
1B - Swisher (29)
2B - Beckham (24)
SS - Ramirez (28)
3B - Fields (27)
RF - Dye (36)
CF - Owens??? (29)
LF - Quentin (27)
DH - Konerko (34)

Now I don't know how good Beckham will be, and I know there are better options than Owens out there, but the rest of that line-up is very possible. As long as they can take care of pitching, the White Sox do not look bad at all if they go young now.

"the White Sox do not look bad at all if they go young now and they are able to squeeze a couple more productive seasons out of their older players."

That is how I meant to end my last comment.

Jermaine Dye WILL NOT be traded.
And were not going to sign abreu.
Keep dreaming

i would do that trade futureprospect3.... of course, it would be a MAJOR steal for the Sox in that case

-ChiCity Sox

are you kidding me, have you seen Abreu stretch a routine single into a double??? he leaves the box so quickly

seondly my bad, i thought i had read you WILL sign Abreu

of course not, Williams wants to go young

sh*t it did post

i don't know why it didn't show up when i refreshed the page