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A.J. Burnett Rumors: Wednesday

11:53pm: Not seeing the $91MM rumor on Rosenthal's blog anymore.  Mark Feinsand wrote earlier today it was $80MM.  Feinsand even said the Yankees and Burnett were "working into the night on closing a deal."  A Mark Bowman source put the Yanks' offer at $85MM.

10:12pm: Ken Rosenthal says the Yanks are offering $91MM over five years.  He also learned that the Yanks will not sign both Burnett and Lowe - just one of them and then possibly other free agent pitchers.  Similar to Crasnick's note below.

9:57pm: Tony Massarotti indicates the Red Sox are out and Burnett will choose between the Yankees and Braves.  Jerry Crasnick says that if the Yankees sign Burnett, a third free agent rotation addition would likely be a short-term guy like Ben Sheets as opposed to Derek Lowe.

6:54pm: Jon Heyman believes the Yankees' five-year offer to Burnett is for $80MM.

6:09pm: Crasnick's report about the Yanks' five-year offer to Burnett is online now.  Crasnick's source says a deal could be in place as soon as tomorrow.  He says the dollar figure is not known but Burnett's agent is believed to be seeking a deal approaching Zambrano's five years, $91.5MM. 

6:06pm: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports on TV that the Yankees have offered Burnett a five-year deal.

4:53pm: MLB.com's Mark Bowman has a Major League source who does not believe the Braves offered Burnett five years.

4:06pm: ESPN's Keith Law believes bidding on Burnett will exceed the value of Carlos Zambrano's contract, which is for $91.5MM over five years.

12:54pm: Rosenthal and Gerry Fraley report that the Braves made an offer to Burnett late Tuesday for $80MM over five years.  That guaranteed fifth year could be big.

11:14am: According to Ken Rosenthal, the Braves are pushing hard for A.J. Burnett and talks with him progressed through the night.  The Yankees remain involved, however.


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Ohhh, for the love of God...just take the Braves offer!!! Wren just needs to go the gaurenteed 5 yrs and up the $ per year to $17 mill. and be done with it!!

AJ will be a Brave before 1:30 today. Lowe will sign with Skanks either right before or right after.

Cashman better be wining and dining Burnett tonight!!! AJ's not dumb. he knows the Yanks will come with their wallets open.

4/66 for Lowe or 5/80+ for Burnett

I'd love to have either pitcher, but at those prices I'm not sure which one is worse.

I'm cautiously optimistic the Braves will get Burnett to sign within the next few days. If they go to 5 years and give Burnett a fairly short window to decide, I think we'll probably end up with him. I doubt the Yanks are going to be in a hurry to match a 5 year offer from the Braves on the heels of the Sabbathia signing.

I'll take Burnett. Younger and more strikeout-errific. I get the logic on Lowe (less durability concerns mean a better cover for Joba and/or Hughes if something happens), but Burnett is the upside play.

Maybe just sign both. I like reading people whine.

"I doubt the Yanks are going to be in a hurry to match a 5 year offer from the Braves on the heels of the Sabbathia signing."

Logically, I'd agree, but there has to be some logic behind declining the $35MM that could have gone to Pettitte and Abreu had they accepted. If they aren't serious about Teixeira, it makes sense that all that extra money is going towards pitching.

(Another side benefit of picking up Swisher; something like $17MM saved over the cost of Giambi can go a long way.)

Be quiet Joe Morgan

If you're dishing out another 4+ years and 66+ million it should go to Burnett.

The advantage Lowe had was his durability combined with a shorter, less expensive contract. When you start throwing 4 years and all that money at a 35 year old pitcher, he looks less attractive by the second.

Burnett is the way to go.

Plus, as much as it pains me to say it, the Yanks can afford Burnett's inconsistency with CC at the top.

The Atlanta Braves NEED A.J, to be able to contend in 09. But Wren will have to guarentee the 5th year. This is hard for me to say, as a braves fan, but the braves probably wont be able to contend until 2010, anyway, when Hanson, and all of the star prospects come up.
The Braves also need to focus on landing a power hitting outfielder, and from what I hear, there has been speculating about a Frenchy for Greinke trade. That would be stupid on Wren's part, for that fact that the Braves already need a power hitting outfielder, and Jeff is the braves best power hitting outfielder. I would like to see the Braves, go after Dye, but thats unlikely and hes getting old. I also think the braves should try to sign either sheets or perez.

I don't think it'd be the yearly salary as much as the number of years that would make the Yanks reluctant. Having 2 5+ year deals with SP at a combined yearly salary just short of $40 million is pretty risky. I think at that point they'd seriously consider changing their focus to Lowe and Sheets.

I agree, the Braves need to get AJ. Also for a power hitting OF I think there should be at least a mention on Dunn.

Good luck, Braves

The yanks just gave 7 years to CC, when the next highest offer was for 5.

I don't think they're concerned about years or dollars...they have to win...

Braves will most likely get Burnett. It wont take long since Sabathia signed. Yankees will get Lowe and I wouldnt be surprised if they got Teixiera too.

I'd rather see the Yanks just get Sheets for 2 year/26 mil than a 4 year or 5-6 year deal for Burnett

Maybe even bring Pettitte back for 1 or 2 more years, and the rotation will be set

I'd rather see the Yanks just get Sheets for 2 year/26 mil than a 4 year or 5-6 year deal for Burnett

Maybe even bring Pettitte back for 1 or 2 more years, and the rotation will be set


I meant to say a 4 year deal for Lowe or a 4-5 year deal for Burnett

Braves need to guarantee that 5th year and get Burnett signed. I believe it will happen very quickly if they guarantee that 5th year. If the Braves don't sign Burnett or Lowe than we are in for another long year in 2009.

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Braves have upped the offer to 5yrs/$80m.

I really can't believe Garland isn't getting so much publicity, he is just as good and doesnt have the consistent cloud of injury following him...if Burnett gets that deal so should Garland

Good. I would tell him to take it or leave in a 48 or 72 hour window.

"I really can't believe Garland isn't getting so much publicity, he is just as good and doesnt have the consistent cloud of injury following him...if Burnett gets that deal so should Garland"

Burnett is getting more pub because he's a strikeout pitcher who can be dominate at times. Garland isn't that type of pitcher but I would love for the Braves to pick him up too because he's an innings eater.

Garland isn't as good as Burnett - he's barely above league average. The Braves want an ace. I don't think Garland would exactly intimidate a Game 1 playoff opponent.

"Rosenthal and Gerry Fraley report that the Braves made an offer to Burnett late Tuesday for $80MM over five years. That guaranteed fifth year could be big."

Man this deal could be a huge mistake. They're gonna give Burnett $16M/yr over five seasons? The unreliable, injury-prone A.J. Burnett? I think 5/75 isn't good, and a fifth year option is a much better idea, but 5/80 is really pushing lunacy as far as I can tell.

"I really can't believe Garland isn't getting so much publicity, he is just as good and doesnt have the consistent cloud of injury following him...if Burnett gets that deal so should Garland"

This is sarcasm...right...?

yeah, i agree on the SO thing but no injuries ever and way more consistent sure would be more assuring to me if i was a GM...if i was a GM....yeah i could see it now...........

Scribbletone,

I agree with you! But I think Wren is feeling the pressure because of all the Peavy buildup, he now has to deliver an ace.

I actually think Lowe will be the better pitcher over the life of the contract, but Wren can sell Burnett as that number 1 ace much easier than he could sell Lowe as an ace.

Think of the upside, though. Sure, he's an injury risk, but anyone can get hurt. But if he's entering his prime now, which is very possible, and he pitched like he did in the second half of last year (and in a weaker division now) then $16m per is going to be a steal.

Good for the Braves. They are all in for AJ, they deserve to get him...


Garland is garbage. Look at the hits to innings pitched...

zephyr8,

I think you're right about Lowe; the Yanks have a big incentive to sign him rather than Burnett because the Sawx want Lowe.

Dunno about Tex, however. Between Swisher, Posada, Damon and Matsui (and others I'm certainly missing), how many more DH/LF/1B types can the Yanks stockpile?

Tex isn't a "DH/LF/1B type", though. He's by far a better player than any of those guys, and one of the best defensive 1B guys around.

Braves can have AJ.

a career ERA of 3.25 is pretty darn good, not sure i would call Garland "trash" or just barely league minimum. My point albeit that Burnett/Garland are different pitchers is that Garland is just as good in the sense that he has a good ERA and eats innings and doesnt have the injury history as Burnett does. I personally (key word) would rather have garland and know what im getting than gambling more on burnett and hoping for the best.

Um, Garland has a career ERA of 4.47. The league average over his career is 4.63.

What are you talking about with the 3.25 ERA? Garland's career ERA is 4.47 and he's only been under 4.20 once in a full season. His career ERA+ is 104 and his peripherals are trending downward. He barely kept his ERA below 5 last season. He's just clearly not as good as Burnett.

I guess this means the Royals weren't serious about the Francoeur for Greinke deal...

If another clubs tops THIS offer, I say let them have him and go after Sheets.

Unless Yankees offer a 90+ million, Burnett will be a Brave.

I see where Smotltz is shopping himself around. Well hate to say it but if I was the Braves and able to get to quality starters, I would say bye bye to Smoltz and Glavine especially since he is considering the METS

As a Yankee fan..i beg the Braves to get Burnett!!! I dont want him!! I rather have Sheets!!

I can't believe Wren is this stupid. And all along I thought Towers was the idiot. Wren should have his ass fired if he gives Burnett 80 mil over 5yrs. Im a life long Braves fan and I hope the Yanks DO sign Burnett. Wren probably could have gotten Peavy if he didn't have to act like a big hotshot when dealing with Towers. He is running the franchise into the ground.

And Wren also says he doesn't want to trade away our farm system and that he likes the players we have coming up... But just look at the deals he has pulled off in moves of desperation. Texiera. Vasquez?? I would gladly have given up Escobar and prospects(Flowers, but NOT Hanson) for 4 yrs of Peavy.But instead we GIVE our best prospects to the White Sox for an innigs eater? Thanks for our ace you promised us Wren.

Drew,

What do you think Peavy would of cost for 5 years? $81 million.

Drew, we didnt get our best prospects for Vazquez. We gave one good prospect that was blocked at the catcher position. We gave Lillibridge who is a utility guy, Gilmore who probably is giong to pan out.

Drew,

Know what you're talking about before you go on a rant.

1. Schuerholz was still GM during the Teixeira trade.

2. Peavy would cost more than 80 million AND the prospects

3. Lillibridge, Flowers, Santos, and Gilmore are not even close to being the best prospects in the system. Flowers is the only one who would even crack the top ten and he is blocked by McCann.

4. The Renteria for Hernandez and Jurrjens was outright thievery. If that is what you consider "running the franchise into the ground," we could use more of it.

I'm not sure if signing Burnett for 5 @ 80 MM is a smart move, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. It definitely isn't the catastrophe that your histrionics would suggest.

Chill out

Drew, grow up. Or lay off the Bourbon. Whichever applies. Maybe both?

I applaud Frank wren for getting Vazquez. Pitchers who come from the Al to the Nl usually are pretty good. CC was good with the Indians but he became outstanding when he joined the brewers. Vazquez will win between 12-15 games he is a number 2 DREW wren is still working on #1. Dont forget we also have Hudson coming back in August. Braves need to give him a five year deal to get this done.

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, about Vazquez numbers suggest he is going to be a #2 starter; even with the transition to the easier NL.

okay im going to apologize on behalf of db4atlbraves, what he meant is if the frenchy for greinke were true greinke would be in a press room right now holding up a braves uni. unfortunately kc isnt that dumb

Who do you trust? Rosenthal or Bowman? I trust Rosenthal because I like what he reported better.

"Who do you trust? Rosenthal or Bowman? I trust Rosenthal because I like what he reported better."

More like do you trust Rosenthal and DOB or do you trust Bowman?

These are Vazquez numbers for 2007 for the white soxs.
W L ERA IP H R ER
15-8 3.74 216 197 95 90 SO
213

Once again he is still pitching in the Al. Also, might I add he had to deal with a crazy ass manager.To add that year it was only 15 pitchers in the league who won more games then him. Seeing that its 30 teams in the league there are 15 other teams he could have won more games then their number one starter so he is a good pitcher period. Also he was sixth in league in strikeouts.

Just saw on espn that the yankees offered burnett a 5 year deal

Drew,

seriously, quit being an idiot.

"But just look at the deals he has pulled off in moves of desperation. Texiera. Vasquez?? I would gladly have given up Escobar and prospects(Flowers, but NOT Hanson) for 4 yrs of Peavy.But instead we GIVE our best prospects to the White Sox for an innigs eater? Thanks for our ace you promised us Wren."

First of all, the Padres DIDNT want Flowers. Some of their execs have stated there wasnt much interest there. We traded one good prospect who is blocked for a #3 pitcher. Lillibridge sucks, Gilmore has no power, and Santos might be a good setup/closer one day. Wren wasnt here for the Tex deal, that was JS.

I could be wrong but look at the Gorkys/Jurrjens for Renty deal and the Ohman/Infante for Ascanio deal. How is that running the franchise in the ground???

5 years 91 million. that's just disgusting for a pitcher with Burnett's spotty record. I'm guessing Halladay's worth about 30+ million then when he comes up.

Just heard on ESPN that the Yankees have offered a 5 year deal to pitcher AJ Burnett and a deal is on the brink of happening *very likely* that the deal is worth 80 million dollars

typo sorry 90 mil

Well unless the Braves are willing to give that 5th year, I think AJ wear pinstripes. That said, if he is getting Zambrano type $$$?? Wow, Zambrano he aint.

I hope the Yankees FO burns in hell!!!!!!!!!!

please don't go expecting 2007 numbers for Vazquez just because he's coming to the NL. Howard and Utley are going to eat him alive. He's not a 2 he's a 3, IMO.

maybe we should just declare yankees world champs for the next 5-7 years. piss off, go braves!!!

philsWSchamps:

you won your world series and we know that you had a great team, but go talk elsewhere, let us braves fans have a glimmer of hope

Utley and his plastic hip?

Maybe the Yankees should offer Burnett an opt out clause too.

Why do teams outside of NY, Boston, La even FUC!!!! bother with the FA crap? No wonder people just turn away from MLB!! The Yankees are poison to a freakin kids game, and it just goes to show why people around the world HATE the US--GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY!!! Hell, ba$eball has become nothing more than a business, there is NO fun in the game for teams that don't have a $180- $200 million payroll!!

I don't believe the Yankee report. The only person reporting this is some unknown writer for ESPN.

"Maybe the Yankees should offer Burnett an opt out clause too."

Chuckle

"Why do teams outside of NY, Boston, La even FUC!!!! bother with the FA crap? No wonder people just turn away from MLB!! The Yankees are poison to a freakin kids game, and it just goes to show why people around the world HATE the US--GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY!!! Hell, ba$eball has become nothing more than a business, there is NO fun in the game for teams that don't have a $180- $200 million payroll!!"

Check this out, Brian:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tam

They're reporting it on Baseball Tonight right now too.

Lets face it we probably were not going to compete in 2009. If we miss out on Burnett its not the end of the world. Maybe a blessing in disguise. Wait who's kidding lets all hope Glavine and Smoltz retire too. Then we can go to the Hall of Fame instead of the playoffs.

Baseball tonight sucks. Kruk doesn't even know a single player on the Kansas City Royals.

If you don't make this happen Frank so help me God...

Please please please...I dont want Burnett!!!!!!!! Especially for that many years and that MUCH money!!!
Why are they not going after Sheets!!!

I thought for sure that AJ would be a Brave, I guess they could opt for Lowe, or simply pay the price for Peavy, if Peavy will still go to Atlanta. Thats a blow to the Braves off season if its true.

im going to burn down the new yankee stadium if they sign burnett too.

this is pathetic.

AtlantaBred:

Look, you have a point that I'm not going to argue with.

paulyicecubes:

Forget it!! Wren ain't going higher than the Yanks offer!! If he does, I'll be the first to come on here and admit I was wrong, but...

Its being reported by Jerry Cransick of ESPN, not exactly a nobody.
With that said, I hope he goes to the Braves. I dont care about the money, I do care about the term. When he is broken down in a couple of years, if not sooner I dont want him taking up a roster spot from someone who can play.

I bet Frank Wren was gambling the whole winter meetings and thought it was a vacation.
Make a significant deal you idiot.

Wasn't it reported a few weeks ago that Yankees aren't very high on the five-year offer? Why would they change their minds a few hours after Braves reportedly made a five-year offer.

ballplaya

Id be careful if I were you. In a post 9-11 world, people take meaningless internet threats very seriously.
Just sayin...

"Its being reported by Jerry Cransick of ESPN, not exactly a nobody."

Tell me why no one else is reporting this?

I have no idea, but Jerry is a long time writer for ESPN. Not saying it's true or not true, just saying it isnt some blogger on the net.

Ted Turner please buy the Braves back.

"I bet Frank Wren was gambling the whole winter meetings and thought it was a vacation.
Make a significant deal you idiot."

It's not like he hasn't been proactive about signing burnett. He just doesn't have the money the Yanks do.

and yeah, no seriousness about burning down yankee stadium, but it is pathetic.

I'm rooting for the Braves on this one. so then the Yankees could offer Sheets a larger contract. I would offer Sheets a 3 year deal if I were the Yankees. Its better than a 5 year one to A.J. Hes younger than Burnett and has been proven to be more dominant.

And now Jon Heyman is reporting it as well.

yankeegirl - only when people like you perpetuate them.
ballplaya - I'll help you.

5/80!? WTF!? I dont even know if the red sox would offer that to any of our pitchers now!

Hey, I was just letting the guy know. No sweat off my back if he or you want to continue them.

I hate people from New York. Anyway, hypothetical discussion question: The Yankees offer 5 years 80 million. The Braves offer 5 years 80 million. Which does Burnett choose and why?

Go.

yeah sorry I'm just frustrated is all, the braves are headed for the basement of the NL east

Atlanta, his number will go up in the NL, he wont be killed in the media when/if he breaks down or gets injured and atlanta REALLY needs him because the yankees already took CC away

he chooses ATL because he is from Alabama and grew up watching/rooting for the Braves

yeah same, very frustrated

but yeah AtlantBred, id say he would go for the brave's offer. he has more of a chance to shine there because he'd be their ace.

"I hate people from New York. Anyway, hypothetical discussion question: The Yankees offer 5 years 80 million. The Braves offer 5 years 80 million. Which does Burnett choose and why?"

I choose Braves. Burnett already said he would love to play for the Braves and Bobby Cox.

its heyman saying this stuff... dont take it too seriously. He is almost always wrong.

Yankees are not dropping another 100 mil on another pitcher. You are crazy if you think they are. their offer to AJ will be something like 3/52-55.

I hope he does choose Atlanta.
First, i dont want him for all that long and second, it seems the Braves do and while all you Braves fans hate Yankee fans, I am a HUGE Bobby Cox fan and like to see him win (when not facing the Yanks)

actually he's from Arkansas but lives in Alabama

cash over years is the point

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