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By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 15, 2008 at 8:14pm CST]
Links for Monday night...
- Astros GM Ed Wade is "kicking the tires" on players to share time with Geoff Blum at third next year. It seems unlikely that they can afford Ty Wigginton.
- The Marlins haven't yet inquired on Takashi Saito, a recent non-tender.
- It's "very unlikely" though "not impossible" that Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez becomes a Yankee according to Tyler Kepner. He also thinks that the longer Andy Pettitte waits, the lower the chances are of a return to the Yankees.
- Adam Everett thinks the Tigers are a great fit for him. Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski said Everett's in line to get most of the starts at shortstop.
- Felipe Lopez could be a positive for the D'Backs in spite of his questionable effort and unspectacular defense, writes Keith Law.
- Rob Neyer thinks that the Yankees "pretty obviously overpaid" for A.J. Burnett.
- Here's a video clip of Bronx Banter authors and Anthony McCarron debating the pros and cons of the Burnett signing.
- Sarah D. Morris weighs in on the Dodgers' offseason moves.
- Tony Massarotti ranks the five worst current pitching contracts.
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You can't have a Top 5 Worst Pitching Contracts without Mike Hampton.
At least Zito pitches and eats innings. Hampton sat on the DL the whole time, although the cost was spread out over several teams.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 15, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Burnett hasn't thrown a pitch for the yankees yet.
Posted by: Chipotle | December 15, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Yankee hater rob neyer hates the Burnett signing... shocking...of course if his beloved Red Sox signed Burnett, it would be a great signing though
Posted by: JJ | December 15, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Mike Hampton's contract ended, though.
Posted by: dudetheplayer | December 15, 2008 at 08:27 PM
What about The gambler Rogers
Posted by: lineman42 | December 15, 2008 at 08:27 PM
How is Carl Pavano left off that has to be way worse then Zito just for the mere fact Zito at least pitches!
Posted by: lineman42 | December 15, 2008 at 08:29 PM
and lmao
let me get this straight...the BOSTON globe ranked AJ Burnett's contract amongst the worst in baseball?
Ofcourse it has nothing to do with him being a yankee, and if he had gone to Atlanta or Boston not a peep would be said. ( if he went to boston Massarotti would probably be loving it)
Posted by: JJ | December 15, 2008 at 08:30 PM
schmidt...
what a bust.
i cant help but think what could have happened with him as an ace..
Posted by: jose1002 | December 15, 2008 at 08:31 PM
Tony Massarati gives commentary on Comcast Sportsnet New England as well, enough said.
Posted by: Hawkeye86 | December 15, 2008 at 08:37 PM
Chipotle you beat me to it. Burnett has not done one thing for the yankees and its already one of the worst contracts in baseball. Gotta love mainstream media
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 15, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Who gives a sheet what a Boston sports writer says in regards to the Yankees. Did anyone NOT think he would include Burnett after the Yankees outbid the Sox for him? What a joke.
Next, Kepner is wrong! Did anyone ever think that Cash has finally learned to make the LAST offer and steal a guy instead of the first offer? My guess...and this is just a guess using business tactics...is that he waits for the Sox/Angels to offer their best deal...and then beats it. Why wouldn't the Yankees do that? They have the money coming off the books...need a 1B...need offense in general and Tex is the best player out there. Why on earth would Cash just watch him go to the Sox and then have to face him 18 games a year without a bid?
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | December 15, 2008 at 08:39 PM
I don't see why the Marlins would go for Saito. If he didn't take $2.5 million plus incentives from the Dodgers, I doubt they can afford him.
Posted by: AA | December 15, 2008 at 08:41 PM
All of those bad picthers' contracts are so easily predictable.
Posted by: AdamU | December 15, 2008 at 08:42 PM
Pavano and Hampton aren't under their big contracts anymore. If they were they'd be up there for sure.
Don't know how I feel about ranking AJ's contract so low before he's even thrown a pitch though.
Posted by: Ben Nicholson-Smith | December 15, 2008 at 08:43 PM
It's worst current pitching contracts, which is why Pavano and Hampton aren't on it.
As for Burnett, I agree. He's worth the money if you can expect him to repeat his 2008 season every year. But history suggests 2008 is the exception, not the rule for Burnett.
When the season ended, I expected Burnett to get 4/$60 and thought that would be regretted by whoever gave it to him. But this deal's really going to sting.
Posted by: yanksfan | December 15, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Yankees over paying for Burnett is an understatement. I wrote tonight on my blog that I think the best place for Teixeira is Boston: http://www.ontheblack.com/2008/12/15/teixeira-should-go-to-boston/
Posted by: kerelcooper | December 15, 2008 at 08:51 PM
your blog sucks.
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 15, 2008 at 08:59 PM
shitI hit enter before hitting JK, My bad
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 15, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Pavano should of got a mention for bad contracts and AJ shouldn't have been mentioned. There were worthier names. I no it is current and thats why he didn't get mentioned but still
Posted by: mynameborat | December 15, 2008 at 09:09 PM
I'd love to know who these "worthier names" are...
Posted by: stellar | December 15, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Dontrelle Willis is a far worse contract than Kei Igawa.
But he doesn't mention it, because he is either: a.) An uninformed idiot, like nearly all Boston sports writers, or b.) a Boston sports writer who needs to cater to the typical idiot Boston fans, whose Yankee-hating obsession outweighs even their own team.
Sad, really, that Boston folks will lap it up. But not surprising.
Posted by: AndrewYF | December 15, 2008 at 09:26 PM
ok i gotta be the one to do this
"Rob Neyer thinks that the Yankees "pretty obviously overpaid" for A.J. Burnett"
YA THINK???!!!
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 15, 2008 at 09:41 PM
I woulda given Lowe that contract over Burnett simply due to the fact that at least he will play it out lol
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 15, 2008 at 09:42 PM
there an lesson to learn from this. DONT SIGN MARLINS PITCHERS
DOlphins park is pitcher-friendly and stressful, When you put an pitcher spoiled to those quantity, into the microscope of NY and DET, they fizzled.
Example A: Pavano
Example B: Willis
Example C: Burnett
Example D: Todd Jones
Example E: Joe Borowoski
Example F: Armando Benetiza(I forget how to spell it)
Leave them alone, Buyer Beawared
BTW
These isn't saying Florida Pitchers are overrated, im saying they rarely(Beckett, maybe Penny) ever become good big market pitchers.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | December 15, 2008 at 09:46 PM
Beckett had 1 good year, one bad year and a so-so year.
Why don't the Astros move Tejada to 3B and sign Vizquel? Seems like an upgrade to me.
Posted by: XD23 | December 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM
"Yankee hater rob neyer hates the Burnett signing... shocking...of course if his beloved Red Sox signed Burnett, it would be a great signing though" have a strong feeling once years went over 4 and salry over 13-14 million that Boston immediately lost all interest in him.
Why not call the signing bad? Isn't 5 years and 82.5 million for a guy who is hurt most of the time. look at his stats over the last 4 seasons and it tells it all, he cannot stay healthy long enough during a season to win more than 10 games but 2 times and has been right at .500 for 3 of those season. The guy has worlds of talent and great stuff, you bet, just cannot seem to stay healthy and Boston just does not give out big contracts to pitchers, much less 17.5 million to DL types and don't blame them one bit on this guy for dropping out, they should have never even gotten in on him IMO.
Posted by: johns | December 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Did you Boston fans know that Beckett was only 7 games over .500 and never even had one healthy season when the Red Sox gave up a guy who is now one of the best players in baseball when they traded for him? I'd call that a much worse deal.
How did the Yankees overpay? It was either 16.5 million a year, or let him go to the Braves, who, by the way, are a rather astute judge of pitching. Just because the almighty, dynastiest of dynasties, will never fade into the sunset because they're just so gosh-darned smart, Boston doesn't think someone is worth something doesn't actually make it so.
You really do all crack me up. I don't think you know what a horrible joke your baseball analysis really is.
Posted by: AndrewYF | December 15, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I'd rather take the risk and watch that money spent on a player who can contribute to a WS ring than watch that money go into the pockets of owners who don't contribute to anything.
The Yankees are about WINNING... at any cost. You spend money to make money. That is what America and capitalism is all about. People who criticize the Yankees for doing whatever it took to upgrade their pitching are just jealous that their own team doesn't have the balls to actually take risks and invest.
Sure, my ticket to games would probably be higher. I watch most of my games on TV anyway. However, I'd rather spend more for ticket with team that as a good chance to win and head to the postseason than spend a dime on a team like the Marlins. (even if I lived in Florida) I'd rather spend money to watch Burnett pitch than some AAA garbage or someone like Sidney Ponson.
I'd rather watch a team take risks with payroll than watch an owner fill his pockets with revenue sharing money and then blame the economy for the payroll budget.
Was the AJ signing riskey? Yes, no one is questioning this. ALL pitching contracts longer than a year are risky. But if that's what it takes (and it took this much to top the Braves) and if Burnett plays a major part to obtaining another WS ring in any of his 5 years, then it would have been worth it.
News Flash: God didn't just all of the sudden give the Yankees their payroll. They earned it with market growth through winning. Criticizing a Yankees' contract without even watching the first year of that contract is like criticizing Warren Buffet for investing in a risky stock.
Of course, if the deal does pan out, then it'll be "the Yankees are buying championships." Yeah, if the Yankees sucked they would get top draft picks and wouldn't need to go through free agency. It's amazing how people can criticize any team that tries to improve itself. In the end, their payroll is still reduced without having to give up prospects.
And some people just don't like the fact that the Yankees get to spend so much. It's their money, they get to do whatever they want with it. If you wanted to live in a world where everyone gets the same of everything then you're looking for a realm called Communism. You can just move to Cuba or North Korea for that. I'd bet you'll enjoy it there.
Posted by: strikethree | December 15, 2008 at 11:31 PM
By no means is the Burnett signing flawless but seriously, record is the first thing people are bringing up? Another thing about the article. I enjoy that Igawa's posting fee is always being added into his total value, but Matsuzaka's never is. 6/103.5 for a guy who's managing to lose velocity in his mid-late 20s, had one mediocre year and one year that defied all the logic of anyone who follows baseball as more than OMG HE'S GOOD CUZ HIS RECORD.
Posted by: Steve Howe's ghost | December 15, 2008 at 11:54 PM
the willis contract should be on that list. 3 more years when not a pitch was thrown in detroit. DD screwed us on that one.
Posted by: tigers313 | December 16, 2008 at 12:03 AM
"How did the Yankees overpay? It was either 16.5 million a year, or let him go to the Braves, who, by the way, are a rather astute judge of pitching."
The Braves used to be great at judging pitchers. In recent years, there have been an awful lot of injured pitchers in Atlanta.
And just because another team was willing to offer him a similar amount of money doesn't mean you're not overpaying. If you can get similar production for less from another player, you overpaid.
If Burnett's next 5 seasons all look like 2008 or better, it's a good deal. If he misses significant time or regresses, they overpaid.
Posted by: yanksfan | December 16, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Andrew and strikethree get it. Thank you guys for the intelligent (and I mean that seriously) remarks. Need more people on here that put these baseball contracts in proper perspective. Neither poster had a slant towards their own, and at the same time did not negatively criticize others.
Frankly, I'll say it again, the Yankees have done nothing wrong this off season. They have made a trade that on paper is brilliant for swisher (although not a major player) mitre, marte, CC and AJ have all be solid signings. Pitchers are always a risky bet, but you could say Texeria at $200mm is just as much of a risk. He could be injured just as well, fielding a grounder, running the bases, you name it. Their payroll is still substantially lower than last year and frankly, lower than several teams at the moment. They have just have created a rotation for the next 3-6 years. CC, AJ, Wang, and then Joba, Hughes, and a host of many other talented prospects coming up.
They have made it alarming clear that they are not inappropriately overbidding on the likes of a Manny R and Mark T. If they can get either at market rate then great, but the Yankee's are doing nothing more than any other professional team. In fact, as the some other posters mentioned they are giving us, like always, quality entertainment. Personally I do not need first place every year, but the Yankee organization takes on that responsibility to perform.
Many people neglect to remember baseball (I'll tread lightly with this remark) is for the most part profitable because of the Yankee's. Like many have pointed out this past years WS ratings were down substantially. Huh. Go figure. The Yankee's are the top shelf of professional sports. I say this not only as a devote, long time Yankee fan, but someone who appreciates what 'MY' team does for me. If i'm paying to go to a game, I want to see some gamers. I'm not paying comparable prices to go see the Marlin's play or the Royals play. Tampa was the anomaly this past year. I suppose 10 years of last place, netting top draft picks, it was bound to happen. I do not think there will be an epic fall off, but rest assured they are not the first place team in the AL East this year. Baltimore has just as much opportunity as them. I think Texeria makes a lot of sense for them. Other's challenge that. We'll see.
Posted by: yankee77 | December 16, 2008 at 07:21 AM
Also, I do see a shocker of a trade in the cards for the Yank's. I still believe we pull a recognized name with a heavy bat and solid glove for the outfield via trade. Who? That's the question. I'm glad the Cameron chatter has been brought to a halt. They have chips in Kennedy, Melky, Gardner, Matsui, Igawa, Nady, to play with. People like to suggest this is garbage, but anyone of these players are MLB ready for any other team. Matsui a concern yes, Kennedy still young maybe, but they are all player ready.
Rick Ankiel name intrigued me. Someone mentioned this the other day..
Posted by: yankee77 | December 16, 2008 at 07:27 AM
i wonder what kind of contract boston is going to give big game beckett; had the same stats as AJ
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | December 16, 2008 at 07:39 AM
I don't get why people think Burnett is so great to start with. Sure, his stuff is sick when on, but he has terrible mechanics, a history of injury, and he was merely mediocre in his supposedly "great" 2008. This is a bad contract not for the amount or years, but the guy they gave it to.
Posted by: AA | December 16, 2008 at 08:57 AM
"News Flash: God didn't just all of the sudden give the Yankees their payroll. They earned it with market growth through winning.
And some people just don't like the fact that the Yankees get to spend so much. It's their money, they get to do whatever they want with it. If you wanted to live in a world where everyone gets the same of everything then you're looking for a realm called Communism. You can just move to Cuba or North Korea for that. I'd bet you'll enjoy it there."
STRIKE THREE - You're right that it wasn't God that gave the Yankees their money, but you are wrong that it was "market growth through winning".
It is the richest cable TV contract and the geographic good fortune to be playing in the media center of the world that give the Yankees their edge.
I will also tip my hat to George Steinbrenner who was willing to spend whatever it takes to keep his team in the hunt - unlike some other owners.
But make no mistake about it, the Yankees financial advaantage is huge and has nothing to do with "market growth" or winning. The Yankees certainly have tradition working for them, but more than anything, they have the media market and the cable TV deal (along with a generous owner) that enable them to sign players to contracts that other teams simply cannot compete with.
If baseball ever comes to its senses and employs salary or broadcast media revenue sharing, the Yankees will still have the historic tradition and the media market but will lose their almost obscene edge in guaranteed revenues.
Posted by: bernie | December 16, 2008 at 11:33 AM
kerel, your blog has no substance to it. its like 5 sentences long...............I like the effort but need a little more emotion, stats, and comments on stuff.
Posted by: AstrosCoverage.blogspot.com | December 16, 2008 at 04:03 PM