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Pirates Discussing Trade For Robert Andino
6:52pm: Frisaro says Pirates shortstop Brian Bixler is a name that has surfaced as a possible return for Andino.
6:20pm: Kovacevic says this trade "looks as if it might not advance past the talking stage."
11:51am: Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald notes that Andino is out of options and Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez has publicly admired Paulino.
11:33am: Related note from MLB.com's Joe Frisaro:
There has been talks at the Winter Meetings about Florida showing interest in catcher Ronny Paulino. But according to a National League source, there didn't seem to be any discussions about sending the catcher to the Marlins.
11:08am: According to Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates are discussing a trade with the Marlins for shortstop Robert Andino. It's not known who else is being discussed, but Kovacevic notes the Marlins' earlier interest in catcher Ronny Paulino.
Andino, 24 in April, has a .549 OPS in his brief Major League career. He did show a little potential in his second stint at Triple A though. Baseball America wrote in their 2007 Handbook that Andino plays "exemplary defense."
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Jack Wilson is as good as gone.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I was hoping that the Dodgers would make a push for Andino.
^Why would the Marlins want Jack Wilson?
Posted by: BigRob | December 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM
"^Why would the Marlins want Jack Wilson?"
I never said the Marlins wanted Jack Wilson. I meant a trade for a young SS was the last straw that meant Jack Wilson was being shipped out somewhere. The Bucs are going to eat the salary of Wilson and send him somewhere for prospects.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM
So we're getting a younger version of Jacky boy? Fine with me.
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Why would the Dodgers want Andino with Hu and DeJesus ready or close to it?
Posted by: vtadave | December 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I just personally think Andino is better than Hu or DeJesus. The kid can play defense.
Posted by: BigRob | December 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Andino's bat doesn't have the upside of Jack's bat or Hu's bat. And yes, that is a scary (yet funny) thought.
Defensively, he'd have to be Adam Everett in his prime to merit a starting job, and I haven't read anything suggesting his defense is that good.
Posted by: mymrbig | December 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM
His D is supposed to be nasty.. I haven't read anything concrete proving that, but then again I haven't looked yet.
I mean, for Ronny Paulino what do you expect? But again, I'll take a younger version of Jack for Ronny P any day.
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Zach Duke's name is coming up now...
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Bigrob-
Hu is regarded as a wizard with the glove, and DeJesus is also considered a plus defender.
If LA adds a shortstop it'd need to be someone who's a plus with the bat.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Duke for Andino would be a great deal for Florida. They just keep adding young talent. It's getting unfair.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM
"Zach Duke's name is coming up now..."
Link??
Posted by: enchinga | December 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I think you have to add another B-/C guy for Duke... Andino straight up won't get it done... Duke is no star, but he's no bum either.
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Bucco -
What about Zach Duke?
Posted by: Schnoah | December 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM
http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/mlb-zack-duke-for-robert-andino/4592/
This guy's hit or miss so who knows.... but Duke's name is out there regardless...
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Zach Duke for Robert Andino is stupid.
I thought the Pirates needed pitching.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 10, 2008 at 12:26 PM
No way they trade Duke and Paulino for Adino... for a guy out of options and no position to start on the Marlins
Posted by: Schnoah | December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM
TIOPS is NEVER right about ANYTHING... that link is about as garbage as you will ever find!
Posted by: Schnoah | December 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM
"Duke is no star, but he's no bum either."
He has a career WHIP of 1.50, and a BAA of .307 in almost 600 career IP If he doesn't qualify as a bum, who the heck does?
Posted by: BadEnoughDude | December 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I think for Paulino this is a good deal. He is hated in the Burgh but when he is motivated he has a very good major league bat for a catcher.
Andino would be nice because even if the Bucs dont trade Jack they have a great defensive utility guy to take over for Gomez . Make this one happen.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 10, 2008 at 12:30 PM
@Schnoah...
Not true, like I said, that guy's hit or miss... he has some solid info...
And I could see Paulino for Andino, but not Duke for Andino, let alone both of em for Andino, no way.
Posted by: BuccoNation | December 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM
When Duke pitches it's like every one of the hitters are batting with that big fat wiffle ball bat we all had as kids. Pirate fans need to move on from Zach Duke. He's barely ordinary.
Posted by: indybucfan | December 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Yea Duke is not a great pitcher but you cant give him away when pitching is at a premium
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 10, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Duke eats innings at a cheap price. He holds much more value than a defensive SS who's out of options. I've gotten irritated with Duke the past 2 seasons, but we can't just give him away when we need pitchers we can rely on to pitch every fifth day.
Posted by: bigpat | December 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Zach Duke went 44-18 in the minors. I think the Pirates have been extremely patient with him since his breakout in 2005, maybe he'll still turn it around. If he doesn't make the rotation as the 5th guy, I'd love to keep him as long relief for sure.
Regardless, you don't trade 2 former "studs" (I use that term loosely) for a mlb ready prospect.
Posted by: ryanbrogz | December 10, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Why in the WORLD would the Marlins want Bixler? The guy is a 26-year old shortstop who batted .157 with ZERO homers, TWO RBI, and 36 strikeouts in 108 at-bats last season. Not only is Andino younger, but he is also better...makes no sense.
Posted by: m26555 | December 10, 2008 at 07:02 PM
Would the Pirates trade Maholm and Mclouth to the Reds? I realize its in the same division, but it would be Reds trade so the Pirates might be better later, and the Reds would get better now.
Maholm and McLouth for-
Bailey, Thompson, Malony (is fair for Maholm and the year he had)
Stubbs, Dorn, Valkia, Soto, and and another pitching prospect or two...i seriously think this could and SHOULD be done...sure its trading a lot of the Reds prospects...BUT
If we have a healthy Maholm, Bailey, Thompson, and Malony are expendable...
If we have McLouth..then we dont need Stubbs or Dorn...Valkia is a good prospect, but we also have Friazer, whos also very very good.
Reds would bolster their rotation, and get a real good hitter.
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | December 10, 2008 at 07:11 PM
It's not likely the Pirates and Reds match up for a trade.
Since the Marlins seem to be sour on Hermida, I'd love to see a trade with maybe Andino and Hermida for Paulino, Duke and Bixler. Don't know how that matches up value wise.
Posted by: indybucfan | December 10, 2008 at 07:20 PM
"i seriously think this could and SHOULD be done"
Nah, not going to happen. Nate and Paul are staying although Maholm is the first of the big 4 I'd give up.
Posted by: BucSox | December 10, 2008 at 07:44 PM