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2:34pm: A reader who heard the show says Patrick was only speaking in the hypothetical with the $200MM figure, so Bloom's post was apparently inaccurate. This is why I typically avoid radio reports unless I hear them myself...sorry about that. In listening to the Reggie Miller interview on Patrick's site he was definitely only giving an opinion during that portion.
2:16pm: Take it with a grain of salt, but we have a report of a report that the Red Sox offered Mark Teixeira an eight-year, $200MM deal. Earl Bloom of the Orange County Register heard Dan Patrick say it on his radio show. It'd be best to treat the report with skepticism until it's confirmed by another source.
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buck foston i hope they didnt
Posted by: alex | December 15, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Make a decision already Tex!!
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | December 15, 2008 at 02:19 PM
ESPN's former employee Dan Patrick may be better :0
Posted by: RestoreTheRoar | December 15, 2008 at 02:20 PM
You have to believe, if the report is true, that Tex will be in Boston next year. 25M is quite alot of money for Tex in my humble opinion.
Posted by: bbxxj | December 15, 2008 at 02:20 PM
ridiculous if that's the case
Posted by: el clash combo | December 15, 2008 at 02:22 PM
oooooo boy...
Posted by: 04Forever | December 15, 2008 at 02:22 PM
there is going to be ALOT of posts on this thread
Posted by: 04Forever | December 15, 2008 at 02:24 PM
A friend of a friend of a brother of a cousin of a sister of an aunt of an uncle of a father of a mother of a guy told this girl who knows a guy that told his cousin that this is true.
Posted by: rememberthecoop | December 15, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Unreal, these teams that just go out and "buy" players, especially when they already have very good players at that position.
Yes...sarcasm folks!
For every Sox fan that is applauding them going after Tex, even if it is 200 mil..you really have become everything you have always hated.
Its fun on the dark side isnt it?
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 15, 2008 at 02:25 PM
This totally sucks for the Orioles if true.
It actually wouldn't be that bad if we were smart and went for Dunn as a back-up plan. But we're idiots and will probably have Millar back at the first bag next year.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 15, 2008 at 02:25 PM
Definitely think this is not true.
Posted by: Spieg7 | December 15, 2008 at 02:26 PM
"Unreal, these teams that just go out and "buy" players, especially when they already have very good players at that position."
As a Yankee or Sox fan, you have no idea how true this actually is, and for your sake, I hope you never do.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 15, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I would tink this is false. I dont see them offering this much money. And if it is true then red sox fans get off the yankees backs. 25 million is alot, when other teams were only offfering 18-20.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Goddamn the Red Sox. If they sign Tex, then the Angels will retaliate by trading for Peavy. And then my Cubbies will be screwed!
Posted by: OctoberFlurry | December 15, 2008 at 02:26 PM
If this report is true, then the Red Sox can have him.
There are so many other options available like Manny, Dunn, and Burrell. I would rather pay Manny 3 years $75 million.
Or if Prince Fielder is still out on the trade market, I would rather have the Angels trade for him instead.
Posted by: tbone88 | December 15, 2008 at 02:27 PM
I hope it's true. Then my Angels can focus on signing Dunn + Burrell.
Posted by: bjsguess | December 15, 2008 at 02:27 PM
i believe it
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | December 15, 2008 at 02:28 PM
sox fan here, and I think thats over-paying for him, thats arod money.....
but it isnt my money, and I think they should sign him.
Posted by: mike_lee | December 15, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Thats way too much money for Tex. This just proves that he is over rated in my book
Posted by: Tough | December 15, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Mike_lee,
It is your money, if you go and watch games at fenway.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:31 PM
tough, overrated and over-paid are two different things
Posted by: mike_lee | December 15, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Dorf...I was merely busting on the Sox fans who say this about the Yanks.
If you as an O's fan says it, I can sympathize and respect, if a Sox fan says it, especially if this is true, sorry no can do.
Trust me, I know how easy it is to be a Yankee fan and not have to worry about them being able to afford players they want.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 15, 2008 at 02:31 PM
yanks, I do go and watch the games, but they arent raising ticket prices this year.. so end result:
better red sox product
same admission
Posted by: mike_lee | December 15, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Thats so much money for a first baseman, Jesus..
I know hes a good defender and all but I would call Milwaukee and offer Buchholz, Kalish, and something little for Fielder..
Fielder would destroy fenway.
Or if you wanna go all out
Buchholz, lowrie, Kalish, Bard
for
Fielder and Hardy
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:32 PM
It can't be true. First Pettitte 3/36m, and now this crap. I thought this was a site for LEGITIMATE rumours.
Posted by: Lockie | December 15, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Mark Texiera is worth 120 over 7 years.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:33 PM
dodger blue, tex is only costing money not prospects that fielder would cost..
also tex is MUCH better 1b, and a slightly better hitter
Posted by: mike_lee | December 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
661dodgerblue,
Those offers are TRASH. They would just hang up the phone of you.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
I dont buy the "if you go to games" argument. Yankee fans, as well as Sox fans chose to spend their money on tickets and know they will see a quality team on the field every single year. In NY and Boston everything is expensive, games no more so than other forms of entertainment.
If the Sox do not sign Tex and if the Yanks didn't sign CC...guess what? Our tickets would still cost the same and our beers would still be 8 or 9 bucks.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
"It can't be true. First Pettitte 3/36m, and now this crap. I thought this was a site for LEGITIMATE rumours"
Calm yourself, how is a rumor ever legitimate?
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Do people realize how good Boston may be next season..?
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
DH Ortiz
1B Teixeira
3B Youkilis
LF Bay
RF Drew
SS Lowrie
C Who even cares
With a rotation of Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Buchholz, and a bullpen led by Papelbpn, Okajima, Declarmen, Masterson, Ramirez and Lopez.
That lineup is like this close to being unfair..
Posted by: scribbletone | December 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM
It is not my money. The sox froze the ticket prices for next year, so this doesn't affect me until a few years down the road. Anyways, if I have to pay another $10 per ticket to see my team win, I'll be willing to do it.
Posted by: localhost | December 15, 2008 at 02:35 PM
661dodgerblue,
Those trade offers are trash.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:35 PM
if i ever hear a sox fan complain about payroll of another team if this is true i will puke in my soup, also for every sox fan who rallied around mike lowell to get that contract last year, they will be the same who scream TRADE HIM TRADE HIM TRADE HIM
Posted by: jaydestro | December 15, 2008 at 02:36 PM
"For every Sox fan that is applauding them going after Tex, even if it is 200 mil..you really have become everything you have always hated."
The Red Sox have to do what they have to do to compete with the free spending Yankees. The Red Sox and its fans may hate what the Yankees do, but we can't just sit back and get over matched every season when we have the money to atleast compete on some level with the Yankees.
Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | December 15, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Globe's Rob Bradford is reporting the same now and also the OC Registar is reporting the same 2....so I would say it must be true possibly
Posted by: JasonV | December 15, 2008 at 02:37 PM
@jaydestro
A player is only as good as his previous year. If Lowell had a great year, then it would be a different story.
If the Tex deal doesn't go through however, Lowell is far from a poor backup plan.
Posted by: localhost | December 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
jaydestro,
are you actaully eating soup?
Posted by: 04Forever | December 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
If the Brewers moved Prince to Boston, the deal would likely include either Buchholz or Anderson, along with Reddick, and more pitching going to Milwaukee. A rotation with Gallardo, Parra and Buchholz could be scary.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
That lineup is probably the best in baseball, but let's not dub it some kind of "all-time great" lineup like a late-90s Cleveland team, or even the 2007 Yankees, because it's simply not.
I do wonder, if this is actually accurate, if we'll get articles comparing the Sox's offseason to the Tigers. I'm guessing not.
Posted by: AndrewYF | December 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Tex is good, but not that good.
Posted by: OmegaMan | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Whats the big deal? The Red Sox said they would match the Angels offer, so they did.
Posted by: A | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
where all the outrage with the economy and how dare they?...
Posted by: bigbankyanks.. | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
yanks12025
just shut up now you got point across, you undervalue the redsox prospects
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I guess this means Manny will be going to NY soon, because i dont care how good the yankees pitching got now(better then boston's), there would be no way we could compete with the red sox's lineup with tex in it.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
dodgerblue.... give up what it will take to get Fielder who is a lesser player then Teixeira and still have to pay him atleast $18 million a year when he becomes a free agent in a couple years.... rather just sign Tex and keep the prospects.
Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | December 15, 2008 at 02:39 PM
"Earl Bloom of the Orange County Register heard Dan Patrick say it on his radio show"
...after hearing it from Boras. I doubt this is true.
Posted by: Peagle8 | December 15, 2008 at 02:40 PM
No, Rob Bradford is not reporting it. Bradford linked to the same Earl Bloom OC Register post I did. The entire thing rests on whether Bloom transcibed it accurately, which right now is in question.
I regret linking to this. It was against my better judgment.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | December 15, 2008 at 02:40 PM
IDK if this offer is true but as a sox fan, I know when they want someone they go hardcore Dice K (huge bid) and JD Drew (wanted his all round play no else offered close to 5/70) for exp
Posted by: fleckman83 | December 15, 2008 at 02:41 PM
So you think Buchholz, lowrie, Kalish, Bard is a good trade for Prince. Buchholz is just like Ian Kennedy.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Yanks12025..
No matter how good the combo of Ortiz/Tex is, it will never do to the Yanks what the combo of Ortiz/Manny did.
That lineup would scare me more with Manny still in it...if he felt like playing that day of course.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 15, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Scribbletone,
I originally would of said Anderson, Buchholz, Exposito, and Bard for Fielder.. I thought that a little heavy.
But Hardy is worth more than lowrie straight up.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:41 PM
since when is tex a hofer and all time great who would deserve these dollars? i think all these teams are out of their minds. i wonder what ryan howard is looking for now.
Posted by: Chris | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Part of me as a sox fan wants Tex, part of me says save the money for the future and see how Lowell and Ortiz bounce back, but the Yanks have already spent big bucks to get 2 pitchers, and TB you have to worry about now, so I see why they want Tex, and Bostons prospects/farm is still very good (top 5)
Posted by: fleckman83 | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
yanks12025... The Yankees pitching is better then Bostons?
Beckett > Sabathia (especially when it matters...playoffs!)
Lester > Burnett
Matsuzaka > Wang
Sox kids (Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden) > Yanks kids (Kennedy, Hughes)
Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
"Buchholz is just like Ian Kennedy."
Yeah when Kennedy starts throwing 97 with a monster breaking ball please let me know.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
regrets, i've had a few
Posted by: jaydestro | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
"The Red Sox have to do what they have to do to compete with the free spending Yankees. The Red Sox and its fans may hate what the Yankees do, but we can't just sit back and get over matched every season when we have the money to atleast compete on some level with the Yankees."
TJ Sox Fan, your Sox, in their two championship years, were outspent by my Yankees to the tune of $60M & $50M, respectively. As a Yank's fan, I know throwing money around doesn't guarantee anything, so don't make it sound like the poor Red Sox have to scramble just to compete with the Yankees who flat out dominate year in year out. The big market teams have much more revenue, and it doesn't have to do much with the actual attendance of the games, but with the dedication of the fan base, and the penetration of the brand worldwide. If some small market owners wanted to use the revenue-sharing money for some marketing purposes, or god forbid to improve their team, they would start raking in the cash & being able to spend it on big-ticket free agents.
Posted by: TheLastClown | December 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
scribbletone, adding bucholz to your rotation does not make it scary, he got rocked last year, and is still developing....
Posted by: mike_lee | December 15, 2008 at 02:44 PM
He was 2-9 with a 6.75. Yeah that sounds great.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:44 PM
Yanks12025 Bucholz is alot better then Kennedy, Bucholz has been a bit better then Hughes, Joba has been better then all 3, Bucholz and Hughes still have good trade value Kennedy has none/garbage
Posted by: fleckman83 | December 15, 2008 at 02:44 PM
scribbletone -
"Do people realize how good Boston may be next season..?
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
DH Ortiz
1B Teixeira
3B Youkilis
LF Bay
RF Drew
SS Lowrie
C Who even cares
With a rotation of Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Buchholz, and a bullpen led by Papelbpn, Okajima, Declarmen, Masterson, Ramirez and Lopez.
That lineup is like this close to being unfair.."
First of all, after adding Jason Bay last year, all the Boston fans were saying, " Oh, were clearly gonna win it all now." Did they?? Just because you go out and buy the highest price FA on the market, you think it's almost "unfair" because of the names on the back of the jersey.
What has that done for the NYY the past few years?
You have to play the season before you crown a champ.
Posted by: dpncharge | December 15, 2008 at 02:45 PM
"I guess this means Manny will be going to NY soon, because i dont care how good the yankees pitching got now(better then boston's), there would be no way we could compete with the red sox's lineup with tex in it."
I'm sorry, but no, the Yankees' pitching is not better than Boston's. From a purely on paper standpoint, Beckett is below Sabathia, but our two through four is definitely better. Lester tops Wang easily and Matsuzaka trumps Burnett most days. We also have much more depth in the rotation. New York's rotation has improved greatly, but it still doesn't touch the Rays and Red Sox overall.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 15, 2008 at 02:45 PM
That's why you shouldn't post up any old crap on your site if you want to call your site a site for legitimate rumours.
Posted by: Lockie | December 15, 2008 at 02:45 PM
buck foston i hope they didnt
Posted by: alex | December 15, 2008 at 02:19 PM
WHAT LOSER POSTS THIS SERIOUSLY
Posted by: jason | December 15, 2008 at 02:48 PM
DPN...when the Sox traded for Bay they were 1.5 games ahead of the Yanks, and they just acquired Nady and Marte EVERYONE said the sox just threw out the hopes of making the playoffs guess what they had an awesome record for august/sept...beat ANA, lost a great 7 game series to TB, then Philly beat TB, good trade in my opinion
Posted by: fleckman83 | December 15, 2008 at 02:48 PM
Beckett is better than CC, its very close though
Lester is better than Burnett, not even debatable
Dice-K is better than Wang
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 02:50 PM
0bsessions,
Wang is better then Lester.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:50 PM
''Tex is good, but not that good.''
Amen to that. I thought $160 million was pretty high for this guy, let alone $200 million.
This is turning out to be like one of those Barrett-Jackson auctions where a beautiful muscle car goes up and some idiot decides that they'll get it at any cost and ends up spending $5 million on it, lol.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 15, 2008 at 02:51 PM
The OC Register being a legitimate newspaper, I took it seriously.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | December 15, 2008 at 02:51 PM
When did 130 million = 200+ million.
If the Sox sign Tex even for 25 million per year they would still be under 130 as they are just replacing the Manny contract which was 20-25 million.
Posted by: Trizza | December 15, 2008 at 02:53 PM
661dodgerblue,
Go look up CC stats and then becketts. CC is way better then him. And beckett played in the NL for 5 years.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 02:54 PM
The OC Register is out of the loop in anything regarding the Angels, or news in general.
Posted by: A | December 15, 2008 at 02:54 PM
That is a good squad to contend with Scribble. If I were the Yankees I'd counter with
Damon
Jeter
Nady
Rodriguez
Cano
Matsui
Posada
Swisher
Cameron
Rotation of
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett
Pettitte/Sheets/Lowe/Garland
Joba(Pen in playoffs)
*Bullpen*
7,8,9?: Veras, Bruney, Rivera
Situational:Ramirez, Marte, Coke
Long men/spot starters:Aceves, Giese
I'd contend that
1)Sox lineup is better. 2)Yankees rotation is better.
Bullpen is a bit of an advantage by the Yanks.
Posted by: Gleb | December 15, 2008 at 02:55 PM
I like how TJ conveniently left Joba off his list.
Should be more like:
Joba > Sox kids (Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden) > Yanks kids (Kennedy, Hughes)
That equation will change when Hughes comes of age in a couple years.
And I also agree Wang is better than Lester. Dice-K is only slightly better - tough to compare the two, because they're such different pitchers.
Posted by: docgonzo | December 15, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Sure, but the OC Register wasn't the source. I trusted that their editors would not allow a reporter to transcribe a radio report inaccurately and publish it. That was a mistake.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | December 15, 2008 at 02:57 PM
So much hate in here, I love it.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 15, 2008 at 03:00 PM
"Bullpen is a bit of an advantage by the Yanks."
How so? The yanks have Rivera at the top and then? A bunch of young guys/rookies. There is no way you can predict which bullpen will be better, siding with the less proven conglomerate of rookies doesn't seem logical to me though.
"That equation will change when Hughes comes of age in a couple years."
You mean if he comes of age. Hughes was a Roger Clemens clone two years ago. Then he was "just dealing with injuries" and now we're supposed to believe he'll come of age any minute. His stock has steadily dropped, which doesn't indicate the absence of talent but perhaps a lack of ability to refine it.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 15, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Hey October, how will the Cubs be screwed if the Angels trade for Peavy? We're out of it now. You had better face reality, the Cubs are NOT going to acquire Jake Peavy. For some reason, many Cub fans just can't seem to get it into their heads that Peavy, much like Brian Roberts a year ago, isn't coming to Chicago. Yes, it would have been nice but it is what it is. At least he wouldn't be going to someone in the NL and especially a team in the division if he was moved to Anaheim.
Posted by: rememberthecoop | December 15, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Yanks1205
Firstly I can care less about CC did in the AL, makes no difference to me.
When Game 7 comes around who you got?
Beckett or CC?
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 15, 2008 at 03:06 PM
"Go look up CC stats and then becketts. CC is way better then him. And beckett played in the NL for 5 years."
Career ERA+ of 121 compared to Beckett's ERA+ of 116.
CC has been better of late and is an elite pitcher but the gap between the two, with the exception of last season, is not that far apart.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 15, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Gleb, you listed 8 men in the bullpen. Are you saying the Yankees are going to carry 13 pitchers?
Posted by: rememberthecoop | December 15, 2008 at 03:07 PM
"Wang is better then Lester."
In what parallel universe? Wang is a ground ball pitcher who relies, predominantly, on solid defense and amazing luck. This season should be interesting for him considering the Yankees' defense has been getting steadily worse since he came up. Pure stuff wise, Wang doesn't even touch Lester.
"Joba > Sox kids (Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden) > Yanks kids (Kennedy, Hughes)
That equation will change when Hughes comes of age in a couple years."
The first part, I can agree with. The second part is ironic in that you conveniently ignored the fact that Hughes and Buchholz actually project very similarly. Once Buchholz comes of age, the Sox's young guys will factor out as above the Yanks'. Joba is the best of both teams, but you forget that Lester is also a home grown Sox kid, only 24 years old. Buchholz and Hughes are on even footing and Masterson and Bowden both top Kennedy. Four of Lester, Bowden, Buchholz and Masterson top three of Chamberlain, Hughes and Kennedy.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 15, 2008 at 03:09 PM
Joba totally skipped my mind, if we mix him into the Yanks kids section that merely makes the two groups equal, advantage overall still with Boston.
Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | December 15, 2008 at 03:11 PM
"Wang is better then Lester."
How are you evaluating this?
Lester is younger. Better K/BB and K rate, with a higher ERA+, albeit in less innings. He's a hard throwing lefty with room to improve and peripherals continuing to trend upward.
Wang is undoubtedly a good pitcher but you cannot say he is better than Lester without at least providing something to back it up.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 15, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Yankee and Red Sox fans need loaded weapons so they can cause each other to become extinct.
Posted by: OmegaMan | December 15, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Wang better than Lester? You got to be kidding me. Do you know that Lester finished with 3.21 ERA? Wang ERA is like 3.71. Not to mention Wang's postseason ERA over 10.
Posted by: terry180 | December 15, 2008 at 03:15 PM
"Sure, but the OC Register wasn't the source. I trusted that their editors would not allow a reporter to transcribe a radio report inaccurately and publish it. That was a mistake." - Tim Dierkes
I wasn't harping on you, just the OC Register. Ever since they sided with the city of Anaheim over the name thing they are not privy to much info on the Angels. They seem take any opportunity they can to "stick it" to the Angels, regardless of how unprofessional it makes them look. I wouldn't consider them a credible news source in the future.
Posted by: A | December 15, 2008 at 03:15 PM
yankeegirl49: "Its fun on the dark side isnt it?"
Why, is it getting lonely over there? The rumor was fabricated.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 15, 2008 at 03:16 PM
CC may have more talent, but I'd rather have Beckett in a playoff game. CC's Career ERA is 7.92 in 25 IP in postseason. Small sample, true, but he also has a 27.00 ERA in an All-Star game. Look, for $23MM/year, he has to be your ace both during the season and in the playoffs.
BTW, it's funny after all the publicity, when you go into the "Players" category on MLB in espn.com and enter Sabathia, you get nothing. You have to search by "all time" players to get his stats. It's as if Carsten Charles doesn't exist as a current player. lol
Posted by: rememberthecoop | December 15, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Will the Yankees give Mark Tiexeira a contract any time soon before he is gone?
Posted by: YankeeFan4life | December 15, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Wang has won 19 games two times. Lester none. Yes Lester beats him in K's but that about it. Wang has a lower career ERA, more wins(pitched more seasons),walks less people.
Posted by: yanks12025 | December 15, 2008 at 03:19 PM
I'm a sox fan, and i want them to get teixeira so i figured they obviously would have to offer more money than the angels did, but 200 million? wouldnt he be paid as much as Arod?
Posted by: Cartman261 | December 15, 2008 at 03:21 PM
A finesse ground ball pitcher pitcher or a lefty power pitcher. Which do you want. Be honest.
Point, set, match, Lester.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | December 15, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Hey Yanks12025,
Did you know that Wangs ERA in the postseason is 19.07?
You stll think that he is better than Lester?
Posted by: terry180 | December 15, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Theo Epstein would never offer that contract.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 15, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Wins mean nothing. Or at least very close to nothing.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 15, 2008 at 03:23 PM
"Wang has won 19 games two times. Lester none. Yes Lester beats him in K's but that about it. Wang has a lower career ERA, more wins(pitched more seasons),walks less people."
Wins and ERA, you're not too familiar with any relevant statistical information are you?
Compare Wangs 07 (his best year) to Lesters 08. Lester had the better FIP and ERA+. Wang still has better control, surrenders less walks but k's significantly less batters.
Lester has the better career ERA+ as well, to go along with a higher ceiling and more impressive arsenal of pitches.
Again, Wang is a very good pitcher. Very good GB rates and low walks but Lester is just better.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 15, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Prince Fielder is not a good fielder
More like Pauper Fielder. In the field.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 15, 2008 at 03:36 PM
If you are talking about pure stuff, Lester clearly has the beat on Wang, it isn't even really an argument. They pitch in two different styles, it is very hard to compare them at all. I would at least try to compare Burnett over Lester if anything and make consider a Dice-K and Wang argument.
If you were to ask people name the top 10 starters in the MLB based on stuff, rather than numbers, the Yankees rotation has 3/10 of those guys. I would give the Sox 2/10 (Beckett and Lester, I am sorry but Dice-K's stuff is not top 10 in the MLB). The Yankees rotation has more upside, the Sox rotation has more stability.
If I had to choose, bias judgement aside, on a top 3 of the rotation I would go with the Yankees. And while I like the Yankees rotation better, I still like the Sox offense better. Gonna be an interesting AL BEast this yr.
Posted by: Matt-LI | December 15, 2008 at 03:38 PM