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2:06pm: The official report came out last night, but for the sake of being thorough, we'll post it now: the Brewers' announcement of the deal is official. Haudricourt was close; it'll be $6.5MM in 2009, and $11.5MM in 2010 for Fielder. There's also a $1MM signing bonus included.
FRIDAY, 8:47am: Jon Heyman has the Fielder contract details. Look for an announcement later today.
THURSDAY, 8:51pm: According to Haudricourt Fielder passed his physical so the deal is now official. Exact figures are expected tomorrow, but Haudricourt guesses Fielder will earn $7MM this year and $11MM in 2010.
2:50pm: Tom Haudricourt says the Brewers have a deal in place with Fielder for two years and $18MM, pending a physical. Fielder will have his last arbitration year in 2011, after which he'll be eligible for free agency. It looks like the deal may be announced tomorrow.
THURSDAY, 9:20am: SI.com's Jon Heyman says Fielder and the Brewers are closing in on a two-year contract. Tom Haudricourt expects an announcement today or tomorrow on a deal for at least $18MM.
WEDNESDAY, 9:44pm: Brewers GM Doug Melvin has confirmed Verducci's report. "We've got some positive things going on," said Melvin. "There's a possibility of doing it."
6:52pm: As reported by Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, SI.com's Tom Verducci said Wednesday on the MLB Network that the Brewers are working on a two-year deal with Prince Fielder.
Fielder asked for a very affordable $8MM in arbitration on Tuesday. That low bid may have spurred the extensions talks. Haudricourt has an idea of what the numbers might look like if a two-year deal is hammered out:
"If the sides do agree on a two-year deal, it would probably be for $18 million to $20 million. When you figure that Fielder filed for $8 million this year and would be expecting a raise next year with another big season, those numbers make sense."
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Oh lawd.
Has anyone seen that new ad for the MLB Manager game?
I know I'm derailing the comments, but it's soooo funny "featuring Billy Beane!"
Posted by: venn177 | January 21, 2009 at 08:09 PM
I don't think Fielder's bid was low. He doesn't have Howard's numbers, so he wasn't going to get that much. $2 million less was rather reasonable.
Posted by: AA | January 21, 2009 at 08:20 PM
where do you get "2 million less" from? howard asked for 18 mil; fielder 8. that's a 10 mil difference. not that howard deserves 18 or fielder deserves any more than 8 though...
that being said, why would the brewers even bother trying to sign the fatass? i'd make him lose 60 pounds before i even started talking to him about a contract extension. i'm not gonna sign his giant ass only to have it drag along the basepaths.
Posted by: Berke_ | January 21, 2009 at 08:29 PM
where do you get "2 million less" from? howard asked for 18 mil; fielder 8. that's a 10 mil difference.
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Howard asked for $10 million in his first year, Fielder asked for $8 million. Last time I checked 10-8=2
Posted by: brewersfan729 | January 21, 2009 at 08:38 PM
What does princes weight have to do with anything?
Prince is paid to supply power, knock in runs, and be a yougn leader to the team.
He is the youngest player EVER to hit 50 homers in one season.
The Brewers never expected to be able to just lock him up, even if it is only two years, for so cheap, why not do it.
Plus he is a huge fan favorite, second only to the Hebrew Hammer.
Posted by: RenegadeRalphE | January 21, 2009 at 08:51 PM
"What does princes weight have to do with anything?"
1. It is the NL. No DH spot. Prince has to play 1B. More weight means decreased mobility means even worse defense.
2. More weight ----> more stress on joints and ligaments ----> increased injury risk.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 21, 2009 at 09:16 PM
A two year deal for Prince would be a good idea. Although Gamel at 3B could be fun to watch.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 21, 2009 at 09:16 PM
The Brew Crew should try to trade Bill Hall this offseason, even for a bag of balls and a corked bat.
This way, they shed more payroll, and I'm sure their owner would give them the greenlight to sign a needed starter or 2B.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | January 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM
People want to talk about Prince being heavy rather than him having already hit a 100 career HRs at 24 years old. Fools.
Prince's weight won't be a problem for another 5 to (maybe) 10 years.
Fielder is a legit team leader, concerned with winning and a top 5 lefty power threat in baseball.
Wake up.
If the Brewers do fall out of contention in 2009, folks will be shocked (not me) a the haul the Brewers get, it'll be a proven MLBer and 3 or 4 top prospects.
Posted by: The Beav | January 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM
How many fat position guys make the big leagues and DON’T stick around forever – Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, John Kruk, Mo Vaughn... insert one of the plethora of fat ballplayers here – unless Prince was 33 instead of 23 I’d buy the fat guy argument. Sure, some bottomed out, but (I’m hard pressed to think of one) all of them make BIG splashes (also when they get in the tub) for significant periods. The WEAKEST fat guy might have been Prince’s Dad who was a terrific hitter.
Also, I remember stories about Cecile pitching BP to Prince at Yankee stadium when the kid was 12 (maybe even a little younger) or something and knocking some out of the park – a gifted ball player, and worth 2x what he’ll get in arbitration. I’d lock him up for 7 years on the cheap right now if I could but the kid would be stupid to take it.
Posted by: Melkor | January 22, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Lou Balboni (sp?). Him I guess.
Posted by: Melkor | January 22, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Yeah a kid would be "stupid" to take the financial security of a seven-figure seven-year deal.
Posted by: vtadave | January 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Sorry but he's not taking the multiyear deal. I'm surprised he's even going for 2 years. There's a reason he picked Boras and that's because he wants his cash. Security? Who asks for security during the arbitration when their agent is Boras?
Posted by: korrupt03 | January 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Colossally stupid.
Posted by: Melkor | January 22, 2009 at 01:11 AM
A seven-figure, 7-year deal? You mean, a deal that at most pays less than $2 million (or $2,000,000) a year? you're darn straight he'd be stupid to take that. 5x league minimum doesn't sound like anything close to fair market value to me.
I think what you must have meant is 7-figure annual salary, which makes much more sense. He'd also be fairly foolish to take such a deal when there is so much more money to be had. Prince isn't really in danger of suffering career-ending injury anytime soon to the point where he needs the "security" of a long-term deal. It would serve him much better to go to free agency and sign with an AL team so he doesn't have to worry about defense anymore. Heck, in three years Ortiz may be done and Prince could just have all Ortiz's uniforms taken out a bit and he'd fit right in.
-JM
Posted by: jagteq | January 22, 2009 at 02:08 AM
The fact that Boras and Prince are even considering a two year deal must mean that there is not that much interest for Fielder. This deal is waaay too reasonable for Boras.
Velo
Posted by: Velomark | January 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Actually I think this deal shows Boras is playing things smart. With the owners whining about economic hardships it could be very likely that the arbiters take that into deeper consideration and award the lower salary (add to that a team tends to win an arbitration hearing at a rate of higher than 75%). Point being 2 arbitration eligible years of Fielder being bought out at minimum 18M could be Boras betting that the economy is going to stay bad for another year.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | January 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM
"A seven-figure, 7-year deal? You mean, a deal that at most pays less than $2 million (or $2,000,000) a year? you're darn straight he'd be stupid to take that. "
Yeah sorry about that. Misspoke there.
Posted by: vtadave | January 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Weight will definatley be an issue in the future-
But for the next two years this def a good value signing-
I see David Ortiz falling into the category of overweight player who will soon be injury prone (along w Mo Vaughn, Cecil Fileder, Kirb Pucket,ets..)
Only player I can think of to be able to play effective fat into late 30's= Babe Ruth at age 37 41HRS 137RBIS 341AVG
Posted by: Baldelli | January 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Puckett retired at an early age because of eye problems, not injuries related to his weight. Prince may have issues in the future, but he is only 24, the brewers would be supremely wise to do whatever they can to hold on to him for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: dbhammel | January 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM
"Only player I can think of to be able to play effective fat into late 30's= Babe Ruth at age 37 41HRS 137RBIS 341AVG"
Tony Gwynn, David Wells
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | January 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I don't know if you can count Wells, since pitchers have totally different demands than position players. Also sorta stretches the definition of "effective."
Gwynn and Ruth both definitely fall into this category, however.
-JM
Posted by: jagteq | January 22, 2009 at 01:53 PM
Very good signing at a very decent rate.
Posted by: LifelongCub | January 22, 2009 at 03:30 PM
I don't remember Gwynn being fat at age 24, though. I think he grew into it. If Fielder grows into it, he is going to be a large man.
Gwynn could always hit his weight, though :)
Posted by: kosmo @ www.ObservingCasually.com | January 22, 2009 at 03:36 PM
"Fielder is a legit team leader, concerned with winning and a top 5 lefty power threat in baseball.
Wake up."
Really? Everything I have heard says he is much more concerned with money then winning. Also, a top 5 power threat? Really? He barely even slugged .500. Even old guys who are close to the end like Delgado and Thome are bigger (okay, maybe not bigger, get it, get it, yiggity yiggity)power threats then Fielder is right now. Prince is pretty good, nothing incredibly special though.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 22, 2009 at 03:49 PM
ok...prince is a tank...his defense is terrible but his offense is too good to pass up...what we need to do is either try to get him for seven years or so or trade him at the end of this year when gamel is ready...we dont want to rush gamel up, i mean look at what happened to rickie weeks, he is the worst player on the team, he cant hit and his defense is absolutely terrible
Posted by: jose mchung | January 22, 2009 at 03:56 PM
Yikes! I’d be very worried if we thought Prince was still growing (outward). But the Brewers would save a lot – he’d play first, second and right at the same time.
Posted by: Melkor | January 22, 2009 at 04:00 PM
"Yikes! I’d be very worried if we thought Prince was still growing (outward). But the Brewers would save a lot – he’d play first, second and right at the same time.
"
He'll eat Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 22, 2009 at 04:13 PM
"The Brew Crew should try to trade Bill Hall this offseason, even for a bag of balls and a corked bat."
Either that, or move Hardy who has significant trade value and put Hall back at his natural position of shortstop.
"Puckett retired at an early age because of eye problems, not injuries related to his weight."
Precisely. Kirby's weight killed him, but it didn't end his baseball career. In fact, baseball was pretty much the only thing that kept Kirby from ballooning up significantly. If we had a more enlightened drug policy, Kirby may have played another 5-8 years and might still be alive today.
"Also, I remember stories about Cecile pitching BP to Prince at Yankee stadium when the kid was 12 (maybe even a little younger) or something and knocking some out of the park"
There are a lot of legends out there about Prince's power as an adolescent. The only one really confirmed is that he hit a ball out of Tiger Stadium at 12.
"The fact that Boras and Prince are even considering a two year deal must mean that there is not that much interest for Fielder. This deal is waaay too reasonable for Boras."
Interest means nothing because Prince isn't a free agent. This deal is nothing but a hedge against 1) an unfavorable arbitration verdict and 2) a poor 2009.
Posted by: AA | January 22, 2009 at 04:21 PM
You think Princess has enough money now, that he can buy a sports bra?
Posted by: bcaine | January 22, 2009 at 05:01 PM
"A two year deal for Prince would be a good idea. Although Gamel at 3B could be fun to watch.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 21, 2009 at 09:16 PM"
You think?
Posted by: Art | January 22, 2009 at 07:43 PM
Here's an update from Rosenthal at 7:57 EST:
A Major League source claims that the Tigers are close to signing Brandon Lyon to a 1 year deal at just under $5MM plus incentives. Apparently, Lyon saw the Tigers as the best opportunity, despite his agent's rumors that he had received a 2-year $9MM deal from another team.
Posted by: thinkblue | January 22, 2009 at 08:54 PM
Here's an update from Rosenthal at 7:57 EST:
A Major League source claims that the Tigers are close to signing Brandon Lyon to a 1 year deal at just under $5MM plus incentives. Apparently, Lyon saw the Tigers as the best opportunity, despite his agent's rumors that he had received a 2-year $9MM deal from another team.
Posted by: thinkblue | January 22, 2009 at 09:00 PM
"plays with heart"
... More like with a burger waitin in the dugout. You gotta be kidding me. Get rid of this guy and grab what you can. He's a gifted hitter NOW, but will spend the majority of his career just like his father, an injured, back-up, pinch hitter, with a career .250 batting avg.
He had one freak year with 50 home runs (2007). I don't expect that will happen again. He will hang between 30-40 a season when healthy, dropping to 25 or less once he's injured.
Right now they could pull a top prospect from a team in need of a big bat. There are a few teams now (such as Rays, Orioles, Rangers, ect) that have flooded minor league systems with lots of talent. Now that you have him locked up at reasonable dollars, send him to one of these teams for some elite young pitching to supplement the loss of Sabathia and Sheets.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | January 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Great deal for Prince and the Crew. Prince gets some financial security and the Brewers get some certainty for their 2009 and 2010 payroll.
Also, there will not have to be an arbitration hearing.
SOME THINGS EVERYONE HAS MISSED:
1. Boras said that Prince has lost weight and is in much better physical shape.
2. This isn't the first time that Boras has done this. He also sold two arb years for Texiera and Holliday.
Enough with the negative comments.
Posted by: thomas10 | January 23, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Giants fans have been hearing rumors for months now about Prince. My question is, was prince in the last year of his deal? If so that could have made him what Brian Sabian (Giants GM) would call Kryptonite. As reasonable as this deal is, and the length of the contract only being 2 years, smells like a trade set up to the Giants to me. This deal would make sense for both clubs. Brewers get a starting pitcher (Sanchez) and probably prospects with upside, and we get the bat we so need wrapped up in a nice and tidy short reasonable contract.....
Hmmmmmmm..... I may be wrong here, but this makes way too much sense, and why else would a Boras client roll over like that?
Posted by: HarshInFresno | January 23, 2009 at 07:53 AM
Prince took the deal, like Holliday did, like Texiera did to lock up the money TODAY v having to wait another year and half. Plus, it's arbitration, they knew the ballpark they would be in, so why not get paid today. Prince will be a Brewer at least through July 2010 now. Wish the Brewers could afford to add a few more years at say $15m, $18m & $20m to keep him off the free agent market for a couple more years.
Posted by: The Beav | January 23, 2009 at 08:24 AM
Does this two year deal buy out two arbitration years for roughly what Prince would have gotten anyway via arbitration?
Where is the benefit to team or prince?
Posted by: go sox | January 23, 2009 at 09:08 AM
It also makes Fielder more attractive in a trade if the values of his first two arb years is known.
Just food for thought.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 23, 2009 at 09:23 AM
"Where is the benefit to team or prince?"
Benefit to team: They can budget accordingly, KNOWING what Prince Fielder's salary will be the next two days. With all the uncertainties/discrepancies in the market for players of Prince's skillset, it is good to have certainty when budgeting. Since arb cases aren't settled until Feburary.
Benefit to Prince is also the whole "knowing" what his salary will be. If he gets hurt, he still gets those nice sums. And, similar players might have to settle for less on the FA market. If the market for DH types continues to decline, these rates could look like absolute steals for Prince.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 23, 2009 at 09:25 AM
I don't think Fielder's bid was low. He doesn't have Howard's numbers, so he wasn't going to get that much. $2 million less was rather reasonable.
Posted by: AA | January 21, 2009 at 08:20 PM
He doesn't have Howards strikeouts either. He doesn't have Howards I couldn't hit if my life depended on April-June choke period either.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I think Fielder gets dealt this year.
The Brewers need more pitching, plain and simple.
With Braun, Hardy, Weeks, and Hart, the Brewers already have a solid offensive core, they can afford to lose Prince.
Fielder would have big time trade value, likely higher than his actual value because his defense at first base is AWFUL.
I could definitely see a team like the Red Sox or Angels going after Prince in the hopes of landing a cornerstone slugger.
A deal like Walden, Adenhart and Bourjos for Fielder and a low level guy could be an interesting idea, although that may be too much.
Weaver and Bourjos for Fielder?
I don't know it's tough to gauge Fielder's value, when sometimes he's traded straight for Matt Cain, and at other times it'd require J.J. Hardy as well.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Hamburger!!!
Posted by: bcaine | January 23, 2009 at 11:11 PM
weeks is definately not part of our solid offensive core. Weeks is absolutely the worst offensive player on the brewers. He cant hit and he cant play defense. He's worthless. Trade his ass for a beer!!!
Posted by: jose mchung | January 23, 2009 at 11:33 PM
"It also makes Fielder more attractive in a trade if the values of his first two arb years is known.
Just food for thought."
No pun intended? :)
"He is a baby and hw needs to lay off the food for a year or two."
That's a long time to go without eating.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 25, 2009 at 09:21 AM