Heyman On Andruw, Pedro, Crede, Grudz

Hmm, I had a feeling the Yankees would offer Jones a deal...minor league and I guess he wasn't impressed. :P

"The Yankees offered a minor league deal to Andruw Jones, which he turned down."
You are a idiot! They actually would of let him play over the kids if had any sign of life.
He should pay the Yankees.

"Heyman thinks Pedro Martinez makes a lot of sense for the Dodgers."
For 5-6 Million? Yeah.

Love Crede to the Twins. They're such a solid franchise.

"Jason Varitek's camp (ie, Scott Boras) apparently has no regrets about rejecting arbitration since it would've have been a guaranteed contract."

Hahahaha. Right.

"Ahaha Andruw Turned down the yankees. I guess he'd rather go to a less tough crowd."

I was actually thinking it was because he was looking for a major league deal... and not a minor league one.

Agent, you think Andruw is gonna get a major league deal? With as many outfield FA's are still out there?

"Discussion: What would the Yankees want for Swisher from the Braves? Yankees fans and Braves fans please contribute.": First things first, as a Yankee fan I want to keep Nady and Swisher. With Nady starting and Swisher getting plenty at bats at 1B, DH and all three OF slots, the Yankees will finally have depth and flexibility. But for the sake of discussion, give me Francoeur. Well knowing that ain't gonna happen, I want a stud in return and since the Yankees need outfielders starting next year give me Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer and some throw in minor leaguers, or both and let's make a deal.

Someone should let Cashman know he's going after the wrong Dodgers OF.

I want a stud in return and since the Yankees need outfielders starting next year give me Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer and some throw in minor leaguers, or both and let's make a deal.
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Please, of course the Yankees WANT a great return, but even Cashman wouldn't suggest that. Why give up a stud prospect that is going to be making the league minimum (or thereabouts) for a guy that had a terrible year last year? If the Braves offered Martin Prado and a pitching prospect the Yankees would jump at it. Then they would sign Abreu for depth.

David - "I want a stud in return (for Swisher) and since the Yankees need outfielders starting next year give me Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer and some throw in minor leaguers, or both and let's make a deal."

Thank you , I needed a good chuckle.

""Discussion: What would the Yankees want for Swisher from the Braves? Yankees fans and Braves fans please contribute.": First things first, as a Yankee fan I want to keep Nady and Swisher. With Nady starting and Swisher getting plenty at bats at 1B, DH and all three OF slots, the Yankees will finally have depth and flexibility. But for the sake of discussion, give me Francoeur. Well knowing that ain't gonna happen, I want a stud in return and since the Yankees need outfielders starting next year give me Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer and some throw in minor leaguers, or both and let's make a deal.

Posted by: David | February 05, 2009 at 02:41 PM"

Good God Man

You get him for nothing, he puts on the NY cap and he magically is worthy of a package that would net Peavy?
Yeah okay

I've heard my Bucs are looking for bounce-back type outfielders...why stop with Craig Monroe, anyway?

The Yankees have needs at all three OF positions and catcher. They don't necessarily need pitching prospects, you can never have enough, but they have stockpiled a number of arms. Now they need to collect some position players. Hernandez, Schafer, Heyward or Flowers would be nice, but even a group of lower rated but promising prospects might do it.

Before anyone jumps on it, that was "shoot" not "shot".

"David - "I want a stud in return (for Swisher) and since the Yankees need outfielders starting next year give me Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer and some throw in minor leaguers, or both and let's make a deal.""

No, no, no, you're an idiot, and no.

Nick Swisher. Jake Peavy? What do these two have in common? Two things. One, they have both been linked to trade rumors with the Braves. Two, you threw the same ridiculous names out there. Guess what David? If Frank Wren isn't gonna give up those guys for Peavy, what makes you think he'd do it for an at-best fourth outfielder?? I'm sorry, but if Nick Swisher is the best we can do in Atlanta, then re-sign Andruw for God's sake. At least he'd be entertaining to watch.

No to Hanson, Heyward, Schafer, Flowers, Brandon Jones, Hernandez, and Juirrens (because I'm sure somewhere, a Yankee fan just drooled when I said his name.)

I personally think Swisher for Prado and a bucket of baseballs should do the trick.

Yankee fans sure are funny.

"Hernandez, Schafer, Heyward or Flowers would be nice, but even a group of lower rated but promising prospects might do it."

1) The Braves traded Flowers to get Vazquez so that's not an option.

2) Hernandez makes the most sense of the 3 but it still seems like too much, the Yankees would need to throw a minor league arm or 2 in. The other 2 are out of the question.

Francoeur will make far less than Swisher even if he gets the full amount he wants in arbitration (which he won't, of course), so that deal doesn't make sense on its face, much less for all the other reasons you list.

1) The way arbitration works is Francoeur either wins his case and gets the full amount (3.95) or loses his case and gets what the Braves' offered (2.8). There's no middle ground once the parties go to arbitration.

2) Swisher makes 5.3 million next year, so 1.35 million isn't that much. It's the difference in having Matt Diaz and not having Matt Diaz.

3) That being said, it still doesn't make sense.

Braves fan, we traded Flowers in the Vasquez deal he is no longer tradeable.

Jeff I see your point, but I have a question...

Why, if the Yankees have needs at all three outfield positions, would they be willing to listen to trade talk on at least two of them?

Swisher, Nady, Damon, Cabrera, Matsui, and Gardner. Granted, none of those names really jump off the page the way an A-Rod or Tiexeira does, but that's still not the worst outfield production in the game...

"Could the Yankees package Kennedy and Swisher to get Heyward or Schafer? How can you say either of those two have MVP or HOF potential? They haven't even played in the majors yet to prove themselves."

Nah, the Braves' don't really need starting pitchers.

My bad on Flowers being an option he was listed on Baseball Prospectus and hadn't realized he was traded before.

Bamabosoxfan, I agree its a solid outfield, but I was thinking more in terms of the 2010 season and long term. Damon, Matsui, and Nady are all Free Agents at the end of the 2009 season. That leaves the Yankees with Swisher, Cabrera and Gardner. Then you have a lot of unanswered questions.

I'm surprised more teams would not be interested in Nady over Swisher. Nady is the better player, and renting him for the year may get you to convince him to stay. While Swisher deal was not bad a year ago, with the current financial climate it may wind up being bad in a year or two, especially if his drop continues.

And yes Andrew Jones thinks he's going to get a major league deal, thats why he turned down the yanks. I mean with a minor league deal with the Yanks, unless he's truly back in shape (which doesn't seem to be the case), he will not make the 25 out of spring. With a lot of other teams he will, I bet he gets a one year major from desperate team.

"I'm surprised more teams would not be interested in Nady over Swisher. Nady is the better player, and renting him for the year may get you to convince him to stay."

Nady is represented by Scott Boras. So he's not staying.

I don't think the Braves giving up Gorkys for Swisher is so out of line. But, I wonder why the Yankees' fans even want him... isn't he pretty much a duplicate of Jackson?

"The hyperbole going on in this section is pretty hilarious. Its completely useless to throw around the term "HOF potential" when speaking about Prospects in AA ball. It serves no purpose other then to artificially over hype your teams prospects."

I understand what you're saying. However, you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. Yes, it would be stupid to suggest that Heyward or Schafer is going to the hall of fame. I give it less than 1%. However, they do have the POTENTIAL to one day be in hall of fame.

"Also to the person who said Francoeur and Swisher provide similar value, i have no clue what sport you are watching. Franco. has shown half the production that Swisher has."

Until last season Francoeur showed more production than Swisher. And he's improved his plate discipline this off-season. Just ask the master of plate-discipline, Larry Jones.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090127&content_id=3775308&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

I originally said they had MVP, maybe even HOF potential. I'm pretty sure this is universally accepted. The list of players that had HOF potential is about 10000 times as long as the list of actual Hall of Famers. Really, HOF potential means nothing. The realization of HOF potential is what counts. I'm not saying any of these players will realize that potential, but the potential IS there and you can't really argue with that.

"Which stats are you looking at? Swisher has a better OPS, hits more HRs and in general just gets on base more then
Frenchy"

Ya. You're actually right. Frenchy's only + is his fielding. Which was well-above average every year except last as opposed to Swisher who has teetered around average for most of his career. However, Swisher doesn't exactly run away with the OPS category. Overall, they're close to even. Probably slight edge to Swisher, but Francoeur's upside helps his case.

First off,

Gorkys should be traded only for 44 or Brian Roberts. That alone is too much for Swish.

I'd love to swap 2nd basemen but oh well

Prado and Redmond for Swisher

Why the braves would even want Swisher is beyond me.. Give up players and spend 20 plus million. How about just signing Dunn or Abreu.. Even Garret Anderson.

Oh smack017 your a complete joke. If the Ads bother you why not go to internet options and block the site?

Yanks don't need any pitchers or pitching prospects, they are stocked as is and would be better served just keeping both players. They would only be trading one or the other for a quality OF or middle infield prospect.

would you be pleased if he turned out to have the same production as Swisher? let's say ops+ as the measurement. this way, it doesn't matter if you are an obp guy or an avg guy.

DA METS...Mets will land Andruw Jones and Beimel...We will be playing the Red Sox in the World Series again..The Red Sox will play Minnesota for A.L. and The Mets will Beat the Cards (which will sign Manny)for N.L.

There are some really DUMB comments on here today:

"That trade just doesn't really make sense. As far as the other 2 people you mentioned, you realize that Jason Heyward and Jordan Schafer "project" to have MVP, maybe even HOF potential, right"?

LOL!! You're talking about two kids that didn't even make it out of AA ball yet! If I had a quarter for every HOF A prospect that failed, I'd fix the economy!

"I will take my chances since Kennedy and Swisher have both proven they suck at the MLB level. Swisher is OK.... Kennedy haha......"

HUH??? Kennedy just turned 24, is a top pick and stud prospect that was rushed to the show. He's dominated every step in the minors. In 07' he was 1-0 1.90 in 3 starts with the Yankees. A few down starts last year, all of a sudden he's crap? Ah, NO.

Swisher had a down year last year, but he's a switch hitter that can play 4 positions, give you .260/.370 25 90 and led the league in pitches seen per ab. Get a clue before you bash guys!!

"However, they do have the POTENTIAL to one day be in hall of fame"

STILL a ridiculous statement. The Yankees have guys in A ball that have little league numbers....50 innings, 90k's 1.0 eras....should we pencil them in next to Goose and Guidry before they even hit the show?

"Swisher, Nady, Damon, Cabrera, Matsui, and Gardner. Granted, none of those names really jump off the page the way an A-Rod or Tiexeira does, but that's still not the worst outfield production in the game..."

You're right Sox fan...and I'd take Matsui, Damon, Nady and Swish over Bay, Ellsbury, Nancy Drew and Kotsay ANY day of the week!

"I personally think Swisher for Prado and a bucket of baseballs should do the trick".

So we should trade a young player who we got for a slice of pizza... who can play 4 positions, switch-hit and easily get .260/.370 25 90 for a utility IF? And you think Yankees fans are funny? Look in the mirror my friend....then go back to the Rag Sox board, you're clearly lost.

"The Yankees have needs at all three OF positions and catcher"

OF, yes...for next year. We already have enough now. As for C?? Jorge still has 3 more. Molina is a great back-up. Cervelli has a cannon. Romine is a top prospect. We just signed that kid from Boston. Montero may be our best prospect although he may "outgrow" the position. How do we need help at catcher?

yankees should sign him for 1 year 1mill what is the worst that could happen its a low risk for a player that hit 50HR 2 or 3 years ago.