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Rosenthal On Pedro, A-Rod, Beimel, Ohman

Here's the latest from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports...

  • One executive tells Rosenthal Pedro Martinez seeks a contract similar to the one John Smoltz received (a $5.5MM base plus $5.5MM incentives). Rosenthal's speculative candidates for Pedro include the Dodgers, Marlins, Indians, and Mets.  He says the A's, Orioles, Nationals, and Brewers are out.
  • Rosenthal does not expect a major acquisition by the Yankees to cover for Alex Rodriguez.  He adds that the Yanks will not collect insurance on A-Rod's salary.
  • In addition to Orlando Cabrera, Manny Ramirez has a clause in his contract prohibiting his team from offering arbitration if he's a Type A free agent after the season.  Orlando Hudson and Bobby Abreu do not have such clauses.
  • Two GMs told Rosenthal Joe Beimel wants a one-year, $2.5MM deal, but the pitcher's agent Joe Sroba says they have't gotten that specific.  Sroba says new teams are in the mix for Beimel and he's waiting for one to be "aggressive and sincere in their pursuit."
  • The White Sox and Dodgers are two teams in on free agent lefty Will Ohman.


Comments

So basically, Manny has a 1 years $25 million deferred deal, with insurance for next year in case he sucks.

Manny will not be in Dodger blue in 2010. The only way that can happen really, is if Manny ends up injured and accepts $20 million to sit at home. Seems to me like the Dodgers are going for win now offensively, while not even establishing a solid pitching rotation. I don't understand their acquisitions this offseason, nor do I understand not tying down Derek Lowe.

"Seems to me like the Dodgers are going for win now offensively, while not even establishing a solid pitching rotation"

I honestly don't see how the Dodgers rotation is not solid.

Billingsley = ace
Kuroda = solid #2
Kershaw= pitched like a 3 last year, obviously has ace potential
Wolf= BOR starter
5th starters are a dime a dozen. If McDonald can't hold down the job, you have internal options who can act as stopgaps.

Good luck getting that 5.5M base with 5.5M in incentives Pedro.

Will Ohman would be a nice pick up for the White Sox. You can't say he is asking for too much money because every player is asking and gets paid ridiculous amounts of money.

Love to see the Indians ink Pedro, but there is no chance in hell. You can scratch them off the list. Pavano @ 1.5M plus incentives was the last of the piggy bank. They have the fifth spot open, but they'll let the youngsters fill it.

Dodgers have Andrew Lambo primed to take over in LF for 2010.

By next year Manny is almost 39 years old.

I am much happier having Manny on essentially a 1 yr deal versus a 3 yr deal, given the fact that we have a very good internal option who could very likely be ready to go in '10.

I think Manny may end up with the Yankees next year.

But future Hall of Famer or not, Manny is bound to decline at some point and I just have a hard time thinking it won't be after this year.

Once Manny's offense goes from great to just good, then his overall value is severely diminished due to his lack of defensive abilities.

I hope he stays the 2 yrs but I won't be heart broken if he leaves after this year.

Smart move by the agents of Cabrera and Manny to get the clause put in about the team not being allowed to offer arbitration. Makes them more appealing to a team next year. I see that being the standard for deals from now on.

"Dodgers have Andrew Lambo primed to take over in LF for 2010."

More likely Xavier Paul. He's having an impressive spring and is an outfielder. Lambo is a first baseman. Paul is also at least a couple of years ahead of Lambo in age and development.

Xavier Paul is an option IF the Dodgers decide they are not going to go long term on Loney (the verdict on Loney is still out).

But Lambo can play corner OF. Paul is older but Lambo is the higher regarded prospect.

Baseball America had Lambo as the Dodgers No. 1 prospect. By the 2010 season, he will still only be 21 but if he builds on his hot start in AA last year, he should be in AAA by the end of the season.

I think Paul profiles more as a 4th OF ideally.

My hope is that Loney shows more of his '07 self than his '08 self and that he solidifies himself as the Dodgers' 1B.

If not, then Paul may get the call as the LF in 2010 and Lambo could be the 1B (his natural AND best defensive position). That would leave Loney as trade bait.

Pedro is gonna have a career year in 2009. 19-8, 4.14 ERA.

/Book it. Done.

Pedro is gonna have a career year in 2009. 19-8, 4.14 ERA.

/Book it. Done.

Posted by: CubsLuck | March 10, 2009 at 12:19 PM

How exactly is that a career year for Pedro?

"I see that being the standard for deals from now on."

I sincerely doubt this. These exceptions were made for players teams pretty much desperately needed and are the exception to the rule and these clauses were put in to compensate for a bad economy. If these kind of deals became the norm, the entire compensation system would be rendered even less effective than it is now (Which the Yankees proved is broken in favor of large market teams with their acquisition of so many type A's). The entire system would essentially need to be completely restructured.

"How exactly is that a career year for Pedro?"

Really. We're talking about a guy who once put up a 1.74 era with a .737 whip and 284 strikeouts in the AL East during the Yankees' last big power run. Those are numbers a relief pitcher would kill to have over sixty innings, much less a starter. Career year my butt.

"Kuroda = solid #2"

I think this label is a bit premature. Obviously Kuroda pitched like a solid #2 last season (3.59 FIP) but it remains to be seen if he can maintain some of those numbers. He does get a lot of groundballs and keeps his walks down, but his K rate wasn't terribly impressive and I'm not sure he can maintain that 0.64 HR/9.

Obviously the ability is there, but I think another season like 2008 would be confirmation of the type of performance we can actually expect from Kuroda.

And Lambo is a much better prospect than Paul, and it's really not even close. Paul has tools, but Lambo has shown some serious hitting ability and solid power for a 19 year old in A ball. I doubt he'll be ready by 2010, but there's some good star potential in that bat.

"Pedro is gonna have a career year in 2009. 19-8, 4.14 ERA."

So basically what you're saying is that he's going to get HUGE run support next season and magically get healthy enough to have 27 decisions?

"Xavier Paul is an option IF the Dodgers decide they are not going to go long term on Loney"

I think we need to hold our horses on both of these guys. Lambo is only 18 and hasn't played above AA, which is already a high level for someone his age. How many position players arrive in the bigs at age 18 or 19? I'd be very surprised if we saw more than a glimpse of Lambo before 2011. If only because of his more advanced age, I'd expect to see something of Paul sooner. He might be on the verge of breaking out of AAA.

Lambo is a far better prospect than Paul.

Also, he's 20, not 18.

I think we need to hold our horses on both of these guys. Lambo is only 18 and hasn't played above AA, which is already a high level for someone his age. How many position players arrive in the bigs at age 18 or 19? I'd be very surprised if we saw more than a glimpse of Lambo before 2011. If only because of his more advanced age, I'd expect to see something of Paul sooner. He might be on the verge of breaking out of AAA.

Posted by: BlueSky | March 10, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Lambo is actually 20 (born 8/11/88) and this will be his 3rd year in the minors.

I think Lambo will make AAA by the end of this year.

He projects to be a Loney-type hitter with 30 HR power.

His issue right now (as with most young players) is cutting down his strikeouts.

He came on strong at the end of last year and, albeit a small sample size, torched AA in the 8 games up (.389 avg/.421 obp/.750 slg/3 HRs/12 RBIs/8 games).

I think he will do well in AA this year and get promoted to Vegas.

If he shows well in Vegas, I think he very well could be in contention for a spot on the major league club in 2010.

By 2011 for sure Lambo should be ready to go.

Lambo was first round material back in the '07 draft but had some off the field issues that dropped him to the 4th round.

I'm not saying Paul can't beat out Lambo for an OF spot in 2010 but I just think Lambo's much higher ceiling gives him the advantage over Paul.

Like I said, Paul may end up the LF and Lambo the 1B in 2010.

All I know is Logan White loves the kid's abilities and we've already seen him produce on lower levels. So that's enough for me to think Lambo has a got a pretty good chance to be special.


Lambo may well be the better prospect but Paul is about a year ahead of him. Some were talking about Lambo playing left in 2010 if Manny doesn't stay. I don't think so! And if Lambo reports to Las Vegas, he's going to be a very lonely guy -- the team moved to Albuquerque. ;)

Oh yeah, you are right. Forgot about the move of the AAA affiliate back to Albuquerque.

At the very least, if Manny does leave after '09, then there's going to be a spring training battle between Paul and Lambo. That is, if they don't go out and sign another free agent corner outfielder in that offseason.

AHHH A-ROID, QUICKLY TURNING INTO THE WORST CONTRACT OF THE MILLENIUM!

Local media here in Baltimore have talked with front office, and little to no interest in signing Pedro. My guess is that if he wants the Smoltz deal, the O's are not willing to spend that on him.

Manny is an odd case. he has this year, and I think it would be best for the dodgers to hold onto Manny. Think of the 2010 market.the dodgers will need a LF, as I wouldnt want to give the job to Lambo(a 21yr old) or Paul. Id prefer to have Paul as a backup outfielder this yr and then see how he can do in the majors. Lambo wont be ready to be a everyday MLB player until 2011, and maybe thats why the dodgers havent even approached him about a contract. I think that when this yr is done, the biggest name leaving the team will be Ned Colleti. his contract is up and if the dodgers dont give the GM job to Ng soon, she could leave, which would KILL the dodgers.

Back to Manny. think of the market next yr.

Boston-out, dont need to even explain

Cubs- no DH and have Soriano

Yanks-have $ coming off, but they will be into Bay and Holliday long term than Manny for 2/3 yrs. They seem to want to have as many postitions filled long term as possible.

Dodgers-need him because neither the prospects mentioned will be a full time player.

Angels-owner made it VERY clear that they arent interested in Manny. Again, they could be interested in Holliday/Bay if they cant sign Vlad.

just my ideas...

Loney, could be trade bait midseason if Paul is ready to play 1B. a deal with Loney, Dewitt, and elbert could get a good pitcher. Lefty that could start or relieve, Loney is the 1B of the future, and Dewitt is 2B or 3B of future.

Let's get this straight, once and for all. Xavier Paul is an outfielder and Andrew Lambo is a first baseman,

I don't understand their acquisitions this offseason, nor do I understand not tying down Derek Lowe.

Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | March 10, 2009 at 09:22 AM

First of all Lowe wanted to head back to the east so it was between the Braves, Mets, and BoSox if they wanted him. You don't understand signing Furcal? Hudson? Manny? Blake? Wolf? Those are terrific signings. They are short a starter...who isn't and who were they going to get? SP is the hardest commodity to come by which is why the young pitchers are so important and they need them to step up.

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