Cardinals Acquire Mark DeRosa

With Mike Lowell's hip injury, I was hoping the Sox were going to sneak in and be the unexpected team to snag DeRosa.

Didn't see the Cards picking him up, good move though. Can never have too much depth and versatility, and DeRosa is the definition of the word. So what does this mean for Troy Glaus?

Is this an actual move for the Cardinals to get DeRosa for only this seems weird.

Yes Sir!! Nice job Mo!!

So much for the Card's "closer of the future"...

I wonder if they would be tempted to move Kerry Woods by the deadline if Perez gets off to a good start in the AL?

OMG, like the move for the Cards, but you gave up Chris Perez? Opps!!!!!!!

"So much for the Card's "closer of the future"...

Posted by: Jude22 | June 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM"
You know? I do like this a lot for the tribe already, seeing how they gave up little in the first place.

Hendry must feel like garbage.

Hendry gives him up for nothing and then he returns to the division for a top prospect with someone else coming later.

As a Cubs fan, this is hard to swallow. Interesting to know who the ptbnl is...thats a pretty weak bounty for DeRosa.

One of the worst trades in Cleveland history. They should have gotten a lot more for DeRosa. Waaaaaaaaay too early to trade him.

"One of the worst trades in Cleveland history. They should have gotten a lot more for DeRosa. Waaaaaaaaay too early to trade him.

Posted by: Spaneli | June 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM"

How so? Your bullpen sucks, Perez is a legit closer candidate.

Melonis summed it up nicely.

Any closer prospect is worth more than DeRosa.

A trade for a closer is great when your a team that is in it. Cleveland's not going anywhere. Those players are good when you're adding on to an alreayd good team. Get a more solid player than Perez.

Isn't DeRosa's contract up at the end of the year? Seems like a great haul for a half season rental.

A trade for a closer is great when your a team that is in it. Cleveland's not going anywhere. Those players are good when you're adding on to an alreayd good team. Get a more solid player than Perez.

Posted by: Spaneli | June 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Cleveland will contend next year, maybe this year if things are settled with Wedge and they get healthy pitching in the rotation.

Good job omar

Still a guy with a 4.18 era in the NL. If his era is 4.18 in the NL then what will it be in the AL. Bad trade they could have easily gotten more from teams like the Braves. Makes no sense they're were at least 5-10 teams trying to get DeRosa. Why not wait til closer to the all-star break when you could of gotten a better offer.

This as a Mets fan makes me sick to my stomach. Are you seriously telling me that if they offered Parnell it's not equal to Chris Perez =[ However that is about as bitter as I will get for this truly is a good all around baseball trade. Cardinals get a solid 3rd baseman who can also play almost every other position if needed while the Indians get a good closer prospect. Nice move but horrible day to be a Mets fan.

What a bad day for Cubs fans, LOL.

Grab the pitchforks, Cubs fans, we're going to Hendry's front lawn!

RynosBalls,

I would not be very surprised if when the new ownership FINALLY takes over that they begin to clean house (i.e. fire Hendry, Kenney, etc.)

... And the legend of Mark DeRosa just got a lot bigger.

It just seems like a really weak offer for whatever they gave and the ptbnl is rarely anybody of not. Sometimes the ptbnl is the player that has just been traded. It just seems like a really weak trade especially for an all-star type player.

Posted by: Spaneli | June 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM
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DeRosa is not a "all-star" caliber. He's a very good, productive and usefull player but he is quickly becoming the lead candidate to battle Nat McLouth for the title of being the most overrated of the underrated class of mlb players. He's having a great year with the bat in terms of power but, seriously, he's Xavier Nady with more versatility, which is nothing to sneeze at, but at age 34 it shocks me that anyone expected him to draw multiple high end prospects.

Perez is a very young at 24 and throws in the mid-high 90's. Better yet, he's had 2 years of mlb experience w/ success (13/21 saves, 72 ko in 65 IP). If he can cut down on the walks he could be a really important part of their bullpen for the next 4 or 5 years. There's tons of value for a guy who's shown he can do it in the majors as opposed to a "prospect". Also, who knows who the ptbnl will be?

On the Hendry front. He's always made great trades ie. Ramirez and Lee and great signings; ie. Dempster, DeRosa a few years back, Lilly. Since he's been GM the Cubs have won 3 Divisin titles and are contending for another. It's a long season Cub fans.

"Nice move but horrible day to be a Mets fan. "

This is the happiest I can remember being (as a Met fan) after a trade that had nothing to do with the Mets. I wouldn't have minded Parnell for Derosa (I'd rather get Johnson), but Perez is better then Parnell and it wasn't just Perez. Dero has a position with St Louis, he has nowhere to play in NY, where he would also be moving to a pretty extreme pitching park after playing in hitters parks for two years.

very true Spaneli, but don't forget the negatives:

five more years of Soriano (YIKES)
two more years of Bradley (Double YIKES)
only Dempster and Zambrano locked up as starters for next year

I am just wondering how long it will take the new owners to birng in their own people

Also if the Cubs wi the Divsion and Soriano hits about 40 HRs then no one will be saying anything about this trade. Rememmber a decade ago when Randy Johnson got traded and he was suppose to lead the Astros to the promise land. It's the result that counts in sports.

From the POV of my dynasty fantasy team, I would like to see PTBNL to be Brett Wallace, although that would be both surprising and too much for DeRosa.

The PTBNL has got to be a somebody, though, or else the Indians really got screwed.

ABravesFan, This is Cleveland we are talking about. They do these trades that do not make sense.

To all the depressed Met fans, DeRosa wasn't the answer anyway.

I guess this counts them out for Holliday.

PEOPLE! It's Mark DeRosa!! Not Chase Utley! Give me a freaking break!!!! I like DeRo and all and he has great versatility but if Cards fans think he's putting them over the top they got another thing coming.

Posted by: ChicagoMike

Exactly!!! Heck they are only 3.5 games ahead of the Cubs at this point. The Cubs have played poorly. I bet the Cardinals knew that if the Cubs play to their true potential they are going to need some help to keep up.

Kerry Wood is not having a good year and is making another 10 mil next year but I guarantee you that there are teams in contention that might take a stab at him if they feel a change of scenery might bring back the Wood of 2008.

If the Indians were willing to eat $5 mil of his 2010 salary I could see the Rays or Marlins maybe acquiring him since they may need to replace their closers and they are in the race.

ABravesFan, This is Cleveland we are talking about. They do these trades that do not make sense.

Posted by: Knuffy | June 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Huh????? About the only thing the Indians do well is trades. The indians are horrible at drafting, almost all of the good players on the indians or in their farm system are from trades. Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin Shoo Choo, Matt LaPorta, and Carlos Santana were all acquired in trades.

Still a guy with a 4.18 era in the NL. If his era is 4.18 in the NL then what will it be in the AL. Bad trade they could have easily gotten more from teams like the Braves. Makes no sense they're were at least 5-10 teams trying to get DeRosa. Why not wait til closer to the all-star break when you could of gotten a better offer.

Posted by: Spaneli | June 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM
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YOu guys are out of touch. ERA is probably the worse way to rate a closer...talk about small sample size!!!

In April: 8 appearances = 2.57 era

In May: 12 appearances = 2.07 era

In June: 9 appearances = 7.88 era.

**2 bad appearances in the whole year: June 3rd= 3 ER and June 24th= 3 ER. Those two bad outings = a bloated 4.18 ERA.

27 appearances = 5 ER
2 appearances = 6 ER

10 feet can be the difference between a 2 run hr vs out #3. This kid has the stuff to be a legit closer one day and if that happens then Cleveland and it's fans would be hard pressed to remember who Mark DeRosa is/was...

Yes, but check the trades in the past with the Cardinals. Like I say, it is ussual for the Indians on this trade. past trades, you call Cliff Lee an All-Star this year, he will probally not win 15 games this year. Sizemore has seen the DL and the others, add a kid to of what they already got, a team of other kids with a few vets mix in.

Posted by: Knuffy | June 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM

This has no comparison to the trade for Anthony Reyes. We gave up junk for him and we weren't expecting much. The only other trade I can think of between the Indians and Cardinals netted us Coco Crisp for half a year of Chuck Finley. Not a bad trade at all for Cleveland.
This is the first time Sizemore has ever been on the DL and he is an all star player. Cliff Lee was the Cy Young last year and has a 2.92 era this year even after a bad start to the season.

How does this trade not make sense for Cleveland and can you name some in the past that have not made sense for Cleveland?

Some of you shouldn't be allowed to give your opinions.

Haha Chairman I did the exact same thing

You Cleveland fans, here is a clue, have him try to pitch in Yankee Stadium, against a person name Alex Rodrigues and even a 100/mph fastball can go far out in the stadium. Perez only know 1 pitch, a fastball. He can not throw the fastball agaist the elite of AL batters, and as far as I know, the AL win the All-Star game in the past few years.

"I really can't see the Indians getting a better package in a month.

Once again.. A young closer with 0-1 years of service time plus another young kid is worth more than a good hitting super sub"

EXACTLY! People are thinking the Indians should have gotten a bigger package. Everyone wanted to trade for him because of his versatility, he has this versatility because he never blossomed to a starter who had a single position.

It is a good deal which helps both teams plug a hole

i love this trade chris perez is gonna be a monster and plus you throw in the ptbnl
although i must admit derosa was tearin it up

Knuff

Baseball America listed Perez with the best slider in the organization. He's also working on developing a curve to give batters another pitch to focus on.

So yeah...you lose at life

I just want to see Perez get heat up against the Detroit players. Maggio Ordonez is on his way back. Another reason is that STL want to keep Harksworth in the majors. I am just glad they did not trade him away.

As an Indians fan I like this trade, not only for Perez (who we desperately need) but also for the PTBNL, which Shapiro always seems to find gems. This trade will hopefully clear the way for LaPorta to come up and play full time, or at least Brantley. Also with this I think the Indians may be done trading. Pavano has killed his value these last few starts and Lee and Martinez are practically untouchable. Maybe Garko, Shoppach, or even Wood, but I don't see anyone knocking Shapiro's socks off for any of those guys.

Oh, and Knuffy you are a total buffoon. None of your comments have made any sense in any way about how the Tribe has made trades and such.

I really like this trade but I pray that this trade doesn't jeopardize our chances of acquiring Matt Holliday. Derosa is a great player but he isn't the protection for Albert. And since Perez was one of the three relievers being talked about in a potential trade for Holliday, I don't think that we will trade another reliever (being either McClellan or Motte) so unless we replace the reliever with something else, I fear Holliday won't be coming to St. Louis this year after all because we just traded a potential piece in Perez. then again, all the A's fans kept complaining and saying that the A's don't need relievers so maybe Mo knows what he is doing after all.

I think Garko might attract some calls seeing as how he's young and under control and is a decent hitter (lifetime .279/.353 w/ 49 hrs). Shoppach probably won't be traded as he has killed his value this year and the Indians would have to sell low on him now. They are better off protecting VMart by letting him play 1st and hope that Shoppach can show better this year. In the offseason they can choose to trade him or make him the full-time starter in 2010.

I just don't know if a 1/2 year of DeRosa is worth 4-5 years of Perez.

you would've thought they would've at least gotten back what they gave up to get him. seems like a pretty weak return for a great clubhouse guy / super utility man with 40+ rbi's before the break. just perez, who is way overhyped?!? & some ptbnl... gimme a break!

Perez is a really solid haul for DeRosa. DeRosa will be an upgrade offensively but he's no big deal. He's what Casey Blake was, average, maybe a bit better, although the versatility will be utilized to it's fullest with TLR.
I don't know that Perez ever conquers his control issue, and the Cardinals have a lot of RHP talent so I guess the loss doesn't hurt that much.

If Perez can develop into a legit closer I guarantee you he's going to be of more value than a "good club house guy" especially since he wouldn't be playing in a Cleveland clubhouse after this year.

Great clubhouse guys who are productive are only valuable to teams playing over .500 and contending. FOr the Indians his purpose has come and gone. Please keep in mind you traded away a 34 year old "super utility guy", who is having a career year and is headed out the door as a free agent. You traded a player who was NOT part of your future for a player who could be a BIG part of your future.

Knuffy...I don't even know where to start. Please stop posting.