Jonathan Sanchez's Trade Value Dropping

and hes not having a great outing against the Angels.

at this point I'll take any type of offense for sanchez
sabean really screwed up by not trading him for cantu in the offseason

Sanchez for Josh Fields.

Sanchez for Nick Johnson. I still don't see why that hasn't already happened. Even if Sanchez's future is as a bullpen arm, can the Nationals really do much better? A still relatively young lefty who throws heat seems like he'd be more valuable than the rest of the year with Johnson or anything the Mets could offer. Johnson is a FA at the end of the year but he could be re-signed for fairly cheaply and serve as a stopgap at 1B til Gillaspie, AnVil or another IF prospect is ready. Putting Johnson's bat in the middle of the order and putting Panda back at 3rd when his shoulder is healthy and pushing Uribe over to 2nd or into a utility role would make the lineup a whole lot better.
1.Rowand CF
2.Winn LF/RF
3.Sandoval C
4.Johnson1B
5.Molina C
6.Schierholtz/Lewis RF/LF
7.Uribe/Frandsen 2B
8.Renteria/Frandsen SS

That seems a lot better than what they are throwing out there most nights right now. With Timmy, Cain, RJ, Zito, and Pucetas (or maybe a late call up of MadBum or Alderson) and the bullpen continuing to pitch reasonably well I think that team will stay in contention for the wildcard spot. If they get into the playoffs and can throw Lincecum or Cain in over half the games they'll be tough to beat.

How about Marcus Thames???

Didn't help his trade value tonight.

Bad night overall for the NL - the AL went 9-3 against them (Dodger/A's game still going).

Ugh, Brian Sabean.

That said, not trading Sanchez is what I would have done, too. He's a high-risk, high-reward arm under team control. Absent a good offer, you hold onto him. This move was defensible in a way signing Zito or using Liriano as a throwin failed to be from day one. If your high-risk arm blows up, as Sanchez's appears to be doing, well, what is life without risk?

As for Nick Johnson, please recall his glove is nearly as leaden as Dunn's these days, and he's something of a walking injury risk. Sandoval has been almost a full win better at 1B this season.

Unfortunately for Giants fans, Sabean is stupid enough to trade for someone who isn't even an upgrade over what he already has. I expect the Sanchez/Romo/Villalona for Johnson trade to be announced any time now.

@Calriver

Why would either team do that trade?

The Edwin Encarnacion trade proposed is pretty good, fair and makes sense for both teams.
If the Giants can't get something good for him they should just hold onto him his values in his potential so selling low at this point can only hurt the Giants.
Nick Johnson is a good defender so I don't know where homeboy gets off saying his glove is as leaden as Dunn's but I just don't really see NJ being the cure to the Giants problems, he is no more a clean up hitter than Bengie Molina is.
Plus hes a rental, SF need to be looking at players they can use long term such as:
EE, Dan Uggla, or even look at up-coming FA who they could sign before they hit the market such as Beltre, Holliday(Yeah I know hes a Boras client but...)
I honestly think Dan Uggla is the solution his value is low, he has high up-side, can be useful long term and is a clean up hitter.
Matt Cain(Id hate to have to lose him if I were SF's GM but you have to give value to get it back unless you trade with Pittsburgh)so... Matt Cain and Travis Ishikawa & Fred Lewis for Dan Uggla, Jorge Cantu & Jeremy Hermeida?
The flip Randy Winn to possibly the Braves for pitching maybe Javier Vazquez?
Just an idea

His FIP is still under 5. The low LOB% and high BABIP are why his ERA is so high.

Sanchez is a perfectly average 5th starter IMO. Doesn't cost a lot, stays healthy, and soaks up innings.

Problem is that they have another 5th starter under control for the foreseeable future and thus Sanchez has to be moved.

"Sanchez for Nick Johnson. I still don't see why that hasn't already happened. Even if Sanchez's future is as a bullpen arm, can the Nationals really do much better?"

Nick Johnson for Sanchez is a great deal for the Nats. His defense is down this year. Offering Johnson arbitration is a huge risk. I don't know if I do that if I'm Sabean.

Encarnacion for Sanchez sounds like a fair deal for both teams. The Reds have a bunch of infield prospects on the way up (Frazier, Francisco, Valaika, Soto), and could use a high-ceiling arm like Sanchez. Encarnacion would be a great fit in SF, and if they can add a better defensive 3B down the road, he can shift to the outfield or be traded.

OPM, 'as leaden as Dunn' was hyperbole, but only a little. See what melonis said: Johnson's defense is down to below-replacement levels this year (-5 runs so far), and he was only barely a plus defender before, averaging around +2 runs a year. And that's at 1B, not at a premium up-the-middle position.

In re Sanchez, I suppose Giants fans get spoiled for pitching, but those HRs worry me. I hang on to him here nevertheless, but not because he's much of a 5th starter. His trade value is indeed very low now. Sell high.

That's why, if you trade anyone, it has to be someone like Cain whose trade value is, I assume, very, very high. Cain's a great #2, #1 in most rotations, but I'd rather have a young, cost-controlled hitter who plays great defense. You wouldn't do Cain for Longoria in a heartbeat? Then you don't want the Giants to win games.

Keeping Sanchez and playing Uribe at 3rd is a much better option for the Giants than trading for EE. Johnson's glove has been down a bit this year, but there's not really any reason to think it will continue to be bad. No, he's not a lineup changing type of hitter but he should produce a ton of doubles and he's another lefty bat more than capable of hitting in the middle of the lineup most days. He pushes Bengie out of the cleanup spot, he pushes Sandoval back to third where his bat is a little more valuable and that pushes Uribe into a utility role or to 2nd base. Like I said, he's not suddenly going to make their offense above average, but it does make it better and that and some continued good health are really all they need to make a push at the wild card. Making a run at the wild card without having to give up any key parts of the future is absolutely worth it, especially because of how much more valuable that 1-2 pitching punch will be in the playoffs. Sure they're future looks bright and it will be near impossible to catch the Dodgers, but you never know what could happen over the next few years in terms or injuries or free agency so if you've got a shot to improve the team enough to make a something of a run at it without sacrificing any major pieces (and Sanchez is not a major piece of the future right now) then why wouldn't you?

@stevo26-Like someone else mentioned, it will likely be too risky for the Nationals to offer NJ arbitration at the end of the year so they must trade him or likely lose him for nothing. They won't get anything more than a good young relief arm or two at best and the Rangers, Mets and others interested don't have a Sanchez quality arm to offer. He could still make a heck of a late inning lefty out of the pen. Yea he's 26 but check out Randy Johnson's numbers at age 26.... hard throwing lefties historically take longer to mature. Yea they're trading for Sanchez at his low point, but acquiring Sanchez wouldn't even be an option if his value wasn't at its very low point. Seriously what do you think they could realistically get in return for Johnson that would be better than Sanchez?