Marlins Rumors: Hermida, Francoeur, Ross

Jeff Francoeur for Cody Ross? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm embarrassed to be a Braves fan. I can't believe we made such a silly offer.

How about Detroit? Leyland seems to love AAA guys. Besides can he be any worse that Ryan Raburn?

Braves should be in selling mode now. No way with this pathectic offense we're going to post season now. Makes no sense to move any of our prospects, just so we can sit at home in October. Look to '10.

What about Granderson, isn't he on the trading block? That seems like a perfect fit in Center for you guys.

If Granderson is on the trading block, the Detroit Tigers FO must be high or brain dead.

Lol at Francouer for Ross though. Marlins should have retorted with "Oh no that's not enough for the all mighty Frenchy. How bout we throw in Hanley and Nolasco aswell, to compensate for you losing such an amazing player"

Frenchy for Ross is pretty funny. I think the Cardinals should throw Duncan to the ATL. We don't want him and you don't want Frenchy.

What about Granderson, isn't he on the trading block? That seems like a perfect fit in Center for you guys.

Posted by: aj_is_my_hero | June 14, 2009 at 04:24 PM

Lol. Grandy is not on the trading block. And if he was he would require a good haul in return

Pretty sad state of affairs what is happening to FAILCEOUR these last two years. He is still young and will get shot somewhere else in the hopes that he can get back on track being a solid baseball player at the plate. I just hope we can trade him for something before the braves get nothing when he gets DFAed next off season. I just don't seeing the braves releasing him this season for nothing till they have giving all 32 teams a chance to give the braves some spare change in return for Frenchy. Tough to watch at this point as a baseball Fan...

I would trade arroyo, maloney, thompson or ramirez in a deal for frenchy.

The Braves don't need starting pitching, especially not mediocre starting pitching like Arroyo.

Posted by: FrancoeurSux | June 14, 2009 at 05:50 PM

I dunno.. did you watch today's game? It wasn't pretty. Hopefully is was just a one time off day for Lowe, but it was still pretty bad nonetheless.

In any case, if it does turn out that the Braves need both SPs and Offense, then I would just as soon call this season a wash instead of having to trade away all of our prospects to fill both of those needs. If we just need some offense, then I would be more open to trading some prospects. Otherwise, chalk 2009 up as a rebuilding year and hang onto those guys in the farm.

The Braves do need to consider selling at this point and preparing for the future. They have excellent young players like Yunel, McCann, McLouth, Hanson, and Medlen to build around. They also still have a solid farm system with Freddie Freeman and Jason Heyward less than 2 years away. They could trade players like Vazquez, Soriano/Gonzalez, and Francoeur for prospects (and/or a young outfielder). The money saved could be used in the offseason to sign a free agent power hitter (Holliday).

Yunel's tenure in Atlanta is pretty much over after today. Francoer and Escobar for Luke Scott?

Posted by: bravoboy10 | June 14, 2009 at 06:06 PM

No! No! No! The Braves need to build around young players like Yunel.....not trade him for an old outfielder who wouldn't even help the team anyway. Subtracting Yunel and adding Scott leaves the team no better off offensively and worse defensively. Also, he makes too much money....the Braves won't be adding payroll. Now Vazquez for Scott might work.

Escobar isnt going anywhere, he will be back in the lineup on Tuesday. he had a bad game, you cant replace him after one bad game.. otherwise Francoeur would have been gone long ago.

Francoeur needs to go somewhere where there is no presure, somewhere where he is guaranteed playing time. ive seen Kansas City mentioned alot.
there was another former Braves RF years ago similar to Francoeur who didnt take many walks. he came up young and had early success before struglging and then went from Atlanta to Kansas City. hes still in the majors, and quite productive.. Jermaine Dye.
theres an article with more information..
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2009/06/radical-situations-call-for-radical.html

if the Marlins trade Ross, does he likely go to a team and remain a starter?

Escobar didn't seem to make the mental mistakes last year. I wonder if the fact that he was included in the Peavy trade talks has affected him. If true, he needs to put that behind him. He is a VERY important part of the Braves but he needs to keep his head in the game.

BravesAllTheWay, Luke Scott makes 2.4 million, Francouer makes over 3 million. Yunel is 27 allegedly but you never know with caribean players and Scott won't turn 31 til next season.

BravesAllTheWay-

I don't think the Braves necessarily have to be sellers. They need to bench (or move, but that's difficult) Frenchy and release GA. Go with an OF of Diaz-Blanco-McLouth. Not much better offensively, but MUCH better defensively. They're pretty much exactly one piece away from being the frontrunners in the NL East, and that's the big OF stick. They have the best pitching in MLB.

"Has Jeff Francoeur's value sunk so low that he was offered in trade for Cody Ross.....and REFUSED???"

You are aware that Ross has 3 Grand Slams this year, is a fair CF, decent corner outfielder and just because he plays in front of 2,000 people in Miami and people outside of us few Fish Fans, he is a decent player that would be a good 4th OF on many teams.

Francoeur for Delmon Young.

Thoughts? Pretty much trading all-time low values across leagues.

Fire TP and buy out Jaramillo at the end of season.

I wonder why generally everyone is all for DFA Francouer yet we want KJ to be moved to LF. Francouer v.s. KJ

1. J Francoeur 4hr 29rbi 80Total bases 10bb 34k 3sb .250/.283/.345

2. K Johnson 5hr 20rbi 82Total Bases 16bb 36k 2sb .238/.301/.398

not much difference

Please Escobar has been making mistake after mistake... Three or four base running mistake already as well as several mental lapses in the field. You heard Bobby today, he has talked to yunnel numerous times and it hasn't done any good. Well shame on Bobby for waiting so long to bench him. Escobar is too cool to play 100% all the time. I use to love him, but this year he has made so many mental mistakes; isn't he suppose to be a pro? Trade him and Frenchie and get somebody with some desire and heart!

"Please Escobar has been making mistake after mistake... Three or four base running mistake already as well as several mental lapses in the field. You heard Bobby today, he has talked to yunnel numerous times and it hasn't done any good. Well shame on Bobby for waiting so long to bench him. Escobar is too cool to play 100% all the time. I use to love him, but this year he has made so many mental mistakes; isn't he suppose to be a pro? Trade him and Frenchie and get somebody with some desire and heart!"

Thank you. Someone who finally realizes that the clubhouse effect also matters

I'm prob the only one who will think this.

IF we are so desperate for a bat and we have no financial means left to pursue that bat why don't we do something unexpected that kinda makes sense.

Why don't we trade Lowe?

Now I'm not saying this because Lowe did badly today against Baltimore. Just hear me out.

Lowe is a nice arm in any rotation. He ideally is a #2 but could be substituted as a #1. He has great control and will do well as long as he has a good defense behind him catching those ground balls.

Yes he is in his late 30's but someone wrote an article about how because Lowe didnt become a starter till so late in his career he doesnt have as much mileage on his arm and is essentially coming into his prime as a starter.

Yes I know he is being paid more than a lot of teams would want to pay him as well.

Now what we would need is a team with a pretty good INF Defense. A team that has an OF that we could acquire that would bolster our lineup in a Big Way. And a team that desperately needs pitching.

So I present to you the Texas Rangers.

Here is a team that has a young core of pitchers coming through the gate with Kevin Millwood on his way out and no one to really head the rotation.

They have a very solid defensive infield.

And they have a Bat we could use.

Why dont we trade:

Derek Lowe
Francoeur
Cash (Say 4 Mil a year on Lowe's Contract)

For
Nelson Cruz

The Rangers get a Pitcher to slot either behind or infront of Millwood. Lowe also most likely wouldnt see a drastic increase in his ERA since he is a GB pitcher (Although I'm not 100% on this). They also get him for 3 1/2 Years.

Yes they lose Cruz in RF. BUT they gain Frenchy. With the way their hitting coach has turned around Andruw Jones and how Frenchy started the season so much better after being under him not to mention the ballpark his numbers will get better for that team and he will be at least league average.

Then they get Hamilton back in July.

Braves will of course lose their "Staff Ace" but we still have a solid 1/2 behind JJ and Vazquez. Kawakami is pitching like a #3 starter with league average ERA and has shown signs of improvement. From there they can slot Medlen in the #5 hole.

If you want to take it further they could then possibly do a trade for a decent starter to hold them over till Hudson gets back since they will have cleared most of Lowes salary.

why is it that Brave fans want to trade either Vazquez or Lowe? i dont think i would consider either one of them a true front line ace, but both are very good pitchers signed beyond this season.

i do think Francoeur is still young enough (25 years old) to turn things around, but might not get thanc chance with Atlanta. one thing to remember, he is arbitration eligible after the season right? and with the money he could make in arbitration the Braves are more likely to not offer arbitration making him a free agent? so i can see that along with his numbers making his value very low. any team trading for Francoeur and would offer arbitration after the season, because Francoeur got $3.375 MIL for this season, he will be due more in arbitration for 2010? the way he is hitting i cant see another team wanting to keep him around and take the chance on paying more for him in 2010, so another team isnt going to want to give up much to get him. if the Braves really want to trade him rather than not offer him a contract after the season they might have to take a mid prospect for him.

if Braves fans want to complain about an unproductive OF that needs to be replaced, how about the one on the other corner, Garret Anderson.

The Lowe idea is intriguing but I wouldn't want to consider that until the very last moment. He has been what I expected a really good pitcher, not great but really good. I really don't want to give up on Frenchy but if I could get a guy like Cruz back in a package I guess that would be okay. I think we have a good bit of holes to fill on this team, LF, RF, 2B, and I'm not crazy about Kotchman at 1B. I like Ross, Luke Scott, and Mark DeRosa and I think if we want to compete this year we need to add 2 of the 3. Omar Infante can play a very good 2B when he gets healthy, Prado can handle the utility role, I like Barbaro alot, he has shown me a little something since he's been up. Keep him, DFA Norton and let Barbaro and Kotchman fight it out for 1B. If you can get Ross for Frenchy plus a lower prospect than I would probably do it, Luke Scott is having a career year so you don't wanna overpay for him, and DeRosa is really heating up too so those guys probably fetch a good haul but neither should cost more than McLouth did. JoJo/Shafer get it done for Scott? I only make that move if I get another guy to play right or center until Heyward and Johnson come up.

What team would be a good fit for Franceour? Let's see - Franceour has a terrible OBA, is not as good defensively as his reputation suggests, and was developed by the Braves. Dayton Moore will be on him like white on rice.

how bout frenchy/johnston

for

derosa
and move schafer and heyward to right and left (schafer will bulk up and get used to major league)

The only time I ever watch Ross is when the Braves play and I think I may have just gotten caught up in his numbers. I did not realize that in 130 less at bats last year Ross struck out more than Francoeur and walked at about the same clip. That's not good....I definitely would rather have Scott and/or DeRosa after seeing that.

I think I would rather have Vasquez than Lowe, he is thriving under BC, and Roger.

i say trade kelly johnson and francour to the cards fro a good young 2nd baseman who can hit (Jarrett Hoffpauir)and a proven outfielder ludwick or ankiel

Y would u trade frenchy? If everyone would leave him alone n let him work with chipper or the guy from texas...get his mind rite n continue to try goin oppo he'll be gr8! I mean look @ dave justice! He sucked until he learned how to go oppo n then developed power the other way! Give him his opportunity to work with sombody who can TEACH him and he's fine! Get rid of TP if anybody! He was pretty decent in his day but doesn't mean he can TEACH hitting! How many players were 16 yrs old n could hit a ball 460 sumthin? Not many! Most probably playin in the show now rite? They have talent or else they wouldn't be here! Frenchy's entire problem is tryin to please everyone with 30+ hrs n 120+ rbi when it should be contact n ba rite now! As bad as he's been doin he needs baby steps to get back rite but no one is willing to give him time! Yes he's had time to get it strait in the last two seasons but has had no "help" until the off saeson! And oh my look what happened when he got it! Lay off frenchy! Lowe bein traded is dumb but wouldn't necessarily say out of the question n JV is real stupid! Bobby Cox likes Kelly too much for him to go...Who knows y?" but Anderson,Blanco,Norton,K Johnson,Kotchman,hell Diaz, and maybe KK are good backups but not everyday starters!! I think TP and Bobby should go! Shafer will hopefully get rite but if not shortly cut him loose too! The trouble we've had with pitching lately hasn't been sured up but has been rectified to a point! Leave lowe,jj,javy,n hopefully hanson alone wait on huddy keep medlen in pen n don't mess with gonzo nor soriano (who should close by the way), and get rid of Bennett n peter freakin moylan!!! Who does not have it!!! He is worse this yr than last!! how come nobody has mentioned him! Wuz wrong with carlyle...he's a gd MR maybe LR! Too much BS is goin into this team n if nobody plays together for more than a week how are they ever gonna become a team anyway!? Frank should cut a ple of subs we got loose get the best LF'r he can n leave the rest alone!!