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Heyman On Halladay, Davis, Holliday

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 8, 2009 at 12:21pm CST]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Jays aren't likely to deal Roy Halladay within the AL East and will likely seek premium bats and shortstops in possible deals, since Marco Scutaro becomes a free agent after the season. Heyman hears that Halladay would likely be open to playing for most contenders. Here are some details and more rumors:

The Jays had interest in Phillies shortstop prospect Jason Donald last year.
Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi won't publicly rule out any destinations, but it would be much more bearable for the Jays and their fans to see Halladay pitching in the NL, or at least outside the AL East.
Heyman wonders if the Giants could have interest. Imagine a rotation with four Cy Young Award winners plus Matt Cain. However, the Giants say they're looking for offense.
One White Sox official says the team wouldn't have traded Gordon Beckham straight up for Jake Peavy, but they would likely have to consider dealing Beckham if they want Halladay.
Heyman hears the Cardinals may not have the prospects to acquire Halladay. Brett Wallace and Jess Todd would presumably interest the Jays.
Could the A's simply hold onto Matt Holliday and collect draft choices? They'd have to risk paying him $15MM or so in arbitration next year to do so and Heyman thinks it's a possibility.
The D'Backs don't think they're hearing good enough offers for Doug Davis.

Comments

Wow. A Giants rotation of Lincecum, Halladay, Johnson, Cain, Zito would be devastating in the playoffs. Unbeatable.

Posted by: wildabeast4 | July 08, 2009 at 12:27 PM

"Heyman wonders if the Giants could have interest. Imagine a rotation with four Cy Young Award winners plus Matt Cain."

It's not that impressive when you realize Zito is one of those winners and Johnson hasn't been in that type of form for several years.

Posted by: icedrake523 | July 08, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Coletti better make a serious attempt at something smart here. He needs to prove that he can do something decent without lucking out.

Posted by: ThinkBlue | July 08, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Zito and Johnson are not 'unbeatable' anymore. Pesrsonally, I place Halladay above Lincecum, too. To each their own though.

Posted by: studio179 | July 08, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I just don't see how the A's can't trade Holliday.

They need to get something better than two draft picks for him, because the two draft picks sure as hell aren't going to compensate for trading Gonzalez AND Street, especially with Huston's rebound this year. Smith has put up decent numbers in the minors this year also, aside from one awful start in AA.

That trade's looking pretty terrible for Oakland as is, and it'll only get worse if they just get draft picks, or even wind up paying him $16MM next year...

Posted by: MorneauVP | July 08, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I'll take Tiny Tim over Halladay, but it's close. Either way it doesn't matter, you're talking about two of the top five pitchers in the game in the same rotation.

It's a pipe dream, sure, but a fun one for Giants fans. :)

Posted by: MorneauVP | July 08, 2009 at 12:55 PM

"I'll take Tiny Tim over Halladay, but it's close."

Yeah... but it's probably more because of the age factor right now.

Does anyone remember the Rios/Lincecum talks? Which side broke off the talks?

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | July 08, 2009 at 01:00 PM

Imagine facing halladay, lincecum, and cain in a playoff series! They wouldn't need as much offense.

Posted by: indybucfan | July 08, 2009 at 01:03 PM

Giants wouldn't deal, but I think I remember them saying Cain for Rios as a counter and the jays blew that off. Cain would of been really nice to have if that was the case.

Posted by: Devmac | July 08, 2009 at 01:04 PM

"Imagine facing halladay, lincecum, and cain in a playoff series! They wouldn't need as much offense."

Good, because they wouldn't have any. :)

Posted by: MorneauVP | July 08, 2009 at 01:04 PM

Jays will ask the Phils for some combination of Drabek, Brown, Taylor, Carrasco, Marson, Donald & Happ. I think 1 of either Drabek or Brown HAS to be included.

Posted by: deeselig | July 08, 2009 at 01:08 PM

The Giants won't part with Bumgarner, so that is a non starter if Blue Jays are purely looking for best possible talent.

They do, however, have the ability to eat Alex Rios / Vernon Wells contract, so it would be very interesting to see how much that is worth to the Blue Jays.

Posted by: jct | July 08, 2009 at 01:09 PM

"It's not that impressive when you realize Zito is one of those winners and Johnson hasn't been in that type of form for several years."

Zito is still as good or better than any #5 starter in the league. And if you are telling me a rotation led by Lincecum, Halladay, and Cain isn't impressive (regardless of who the 4 and 5 starters are) then you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: wildabeast4 | July 08, 2009 at 01:10 PM

That would be a real problem for Giant fans to debate Halladay and Lincecum in the same rotation. Yikes! Not like it will happen though.

Posted by: studio179 | July 08, 2009 at 01:11 PM

There is no way Kenny Williams trades Gordon Beckham, maybe Alexei, but no way he trades Beckham

Posted by: ChiSox723 | July 08, 2009 at 01:15 PM

"Zito is still as good or better than any #5 starter in the league."

Is he the 5th starter or is Sanchez the 5th starter. Whether he is the 4th or 5th starter, I would still take Randy Wells over him and maybe some others.

Posted by: Jammin502 | July 08, 2009 at 01:17 PM

"The Giants won't part with Bumgarner, so that is a non starter if Blue Jays are purely looking for best possible talent."

Giants have a strong enough farm to save Bumgarner. However, Alderson and Sosa would be part of the deal, plus Villalona or Posey and then some.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | July 08, 2009 at 01:18 PM

Talent-wise = 5th starter
Paycheck-wise = All-star ace

Not a good combination... thus, I'll take any other 5th starter in the league. :)

Posted by: MorneauVP | July 08, 2009 at 01:19 PM

"•The D'Backs don't think they're hearing good enough offers for Doug Davis."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 08, 2009 at 01:25 PM

There is no way Kenny Williams trades Gordon Beckham, maybe Alexei, but no way he trades Beckham

Posted by: ChiSox723 | July 08, 2009 at 01:25 PM

The Giants aren't going for Halliday. They need a bat, 1st priority. They have plenty of starters in the minors that will be up soon.

Posted by: bigmike23 | July 08, 2009 at 01:28 PM

The Giants can pickup Rios contract, and make it less pressing for the Jays to unload Halladay until next season. That might be a win-win.

Or they can go for broke and do a Alderson / Villalona / Crawford / Sosa deal for Halladay and Rios.

Either way, it is highly unlikely, but fun to think about :)

Posted by: jct | July 08, 2009 at 01:35 PM

If Halladay is going anywhere, he's going to the Phillies. They're NL, they're contenders and reigning champs, and they desperately need SP help. Plus, they have enough prospects to make this work.

Posted by: Phinally08 | July 08, 2009 at 01:39 PM

Waiting on picks is very risky. All it takes is a top 15 team signing Holliday and the A's get a sandwich pick and a 2nd rounder. That's not a ton of talent. They would be much better off dealing him for pieces they scout and are comfortable with.

Posted by: bjsguess | July 08, 2009 at 01:57 PM

Ben - don't worry about posting any more Halladay rumors. A Philly fan has already informed us that Halladay will be going to the Phillies (if he goes anywhere). They are apparently the only team that are contenders, have prospects, and need starting pitching help. They are also the reigning champs.

If Halladay wants to go to a proven winner he would naturally pick Philly. They are currently sporting the worst winning % of any divisional leader while simultaneously playing in the worst division in baseball. Tack on their storied history (last WS before 2008 was 1980 - 11 playoff appearances since 1915) and you can see why they are the only team Halladay would want to play for.

Posted by: bjsguess | July 08, 2009 at 02:06 PM

Honestly if I am a GM, the Wells move is more significant that moving Rios.

So if his contract went with Halladay, I could accept Alderson,Crawford, Villalona and Gillespie.

They can keep Henry Sosa. Don't trade Bumgardner or Posey seem fair.

Posted by: theJonathan | July 08, 2009 at 02:08 PM

The Cardinals should be more realistic and inquire on Doug Davis. He's a much more cost effective option and having him at the back end of the rotation could be just what we need to strengthen an already decent pitching staff. Davis wouldn't be too expensive to afford in terms of prospects either.

Posted by: BKuGotIt | July 08, 2009 at 02:11 PM

why are White SOx fans so enamoured with Beckham?? Hes a very good prospect but certainly doesnt project to become a perennial all-star.. This is arguably the best pitcher in the world were talking about..

Posted by: Adam | July 08, 2009 at 03:20 PM

"There is no way Kenny Williams trades Gordon Beckham, maybe Alexei, but no way he trades Beckham"

I'm not so sure the Jays would want Alexei. As far as Beckham, he would have to be in the deal. The Sox do not have the depth to not include Beckham. He might 'kick the tires', but I seriously doubt Williams would go for Halladay anyway.

Posted by: studio179 | July 08, 2009 at 03:25 PM

Adam,

As far as it seems, Beckham does figure to be a perennial all-star. He is arguably the best Sox prospect to be called up since probably Magglio, not to mention he's 22 and under team control for 6 more years, where Halladay is 32 and will be near 34 when his contract expires. If I was to give up Beckham an extension of Halladay would have to be in place, and I don't think he's going to be the same pitcher in 5 years from now, where Beckham will be in the prime of his career.

Posted by: rype123 | July 08, 2009 at 04:41 PM

Man that is soooo CRAZY. On my drive home from work I was actually wondering what it would take for the Giants to acquire Halladay, and maybe even Rolen to give us that World Series Rotation and pretty bad ass line up!!! Just with that Rotation alone would get us into the Playoffs for years to come (If it were just Halladay)...

Posted by: seanyt1 | July 08, 2009 at 07:24 PM

Just to let the people who were talking about lincecum/rios and cain/rios know what was up. the blue jays were the ones who wanted to do the trade, there was never any lincecum/rios talks. the blue jays asked for cain straight up for rios and we declined, of course.

Posted by: Foulacy | July 09, 2009 at 01:03 AM

I really can't see Kenny giving up the entire farm system that he tried this entire offseason to rebuild.

Posted by: aj_is_my_hero | July 09, 2009 at 02:36 AM

I'd think Holliday would be a fantastic addition..he may only hit 20 homers per year..but he will bat .320 and has a good arm in the outfield. I just got some $5 tickets to giants games at http://mlbsupreme.com Pretty pumped about that. I love watching these arms we have on the mound. Hopefully we stay out of the Halladay sweepstakes.

Posted by: MLBFanMan | July 09, 2009 at 09:45 AM

I really think Nilly Beane is taking a big risk by not trying to get say 3 prospects for Holliday or more instead of getting just two draft picks

Posted by: Yankee Fan57 | July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Billy Beane*

Posted by: Yankee Fan57 | July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

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