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Odds & Ends: Betancourt, Halladay, Managers

By Mike Axisa [July 11, 2009 at 11:46am CST]

A few more links for this morning...

Joe Posnanski chimes in with his thoughts on the Yuniesky Betancourt deal. As with all of J-Poz's stuff, it's a must read.
Phil Rogers of The Chicago Tribune says to keep an eye on the White Sox in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. He speculates that they could build a package around Gavin Floyd, but Gordon Beckham or Alexei Ramirez would be dealbreakers.
Even though it's worked for the Rockies this year, in-season managerial changes rarely work as MLB.com's Thomas Harding points out.

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Yet another moronic journalist talking about "dealbreakers" and "untouchables" when it comes to acquiring the best pitcher in the AL...when will they learn? JP isn't going to move Halladay unless it's "VERY PAINFUL" for the other team. If you don't want your team to give up a certain guy, chances are he's a minimum requirement to get the deal done.

Posted by: 92-93 | July 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Interesting read about Betancourt.

In my opinion, he was pretty unfair to Betancourt. The players we traded for him are worth nothing in our system.

We need a short stop.
He has had 3 full years in thw MLB in the past. (150+ Games 500+ At Bats)

He hit .279, .289, and .289.

Those may not be Derek Jeter numbers, but they can sure as hell help the Royals now. Even at his .250 currently, thats higher than our entire bench and half of our every day lineup. We need somebody.

Whatever the case is, I did love Joes comments about Brian Bannister.

Posted by: Bannister19 | July 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM

The sox should not go after Roy, I wouldn't give up wat they have for him.

Posted by: kcatlantis | July 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I will trade you one of most proven & sure things in all baseball, with perhaps the best track record for these young unproven guys - who at this point in their fledgling careers have shown...some promise.

No way! That's a 'dealbreaker'.

This sort of posturing is pretty funny.

Posted by: deeselig | July 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM

That article is so biased its not even funny. So a package of Floyd + others (except for Beckham) is acceptable? He has no idea what the Jays are looking for. The Brewers don't have what it takes? They have two guys of major position need for the Jays in Escobar and Gamel. I hate these writers who think they can just get Halladay the best pitcher in the game for scraps...

Posted by: s17 | July 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Lincecum is the best pitcher in the game.

Posted by: B3NG4L | July 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Ok, could anybody see a 3 team trade involving the Blue Jays, phillies, and Braves, here it is....

The Blue Jays send Roy Halladay to the Philliles and a prospect to the Braves.

The Phillies send Jason Werth to the Braves, Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown to the Blue Jays.

The Braves send Ryan Church to the Phillies, Kris Medlen, and Diory Hernandez to the BlueJays.

The phillies get Halladay, Which they so need. The braves get the right handed power bat in werth, and the blue jays get overwelmed with players for halladay (2 top prospects, solid SS, and great CF.)

BUt the thing is, the phillies only give up 2 prospects and a current player
to get Halladay(trading werth to the braves allows the phills not to give up 3 or 4 prospects to the blue jays for Halladay, and it allows only the braves to give 2 prospects and church(pretty much frenchy) for the stud right fielder. Neither club has to give up their whole farm system, and every team gets what they want..

Posted by: BrentWt34 | July 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM

>> "We need a short stop."

And you still do.

LOL @ batting average.
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Halladay AL East > Lincecum NL

If anyone in the NL has dibs on best pitcher in baseball it'd probably be Haren.

Posted by: HumanToilet | July 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM

The Sox won't go after Halladay. Phil Rogers is an idiot.

Posted by: ballyb11 | July 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

As much as I like Lincecum he faces lineups that are much weaker then the AL east lineups.
One of the best things about Halladay is how good he is for your bullpen. Having a pitcher that you can count on 95% of the time to at most need 1 reliever used is a great asset Not to mention as a mentor to young pitchers. Look how well a lot of pitchers for the jays have done who you would of never expected.

Shaun Marcum was one of the best pitchers in the entire league last year for a couple months who could expect that? or how well Jesse Litch has done.

Posted by: Devmac | July 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Posted by: 92-93 | July 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM

If Cleveland wts 2 major league ready or at the major league level now pitchers + 2 prospects.

Then to me the price of Halladay

Should include Floyd / Richard / Beckham + 2 top 20 type prospects like Tyler Flowers & Jon Gilmore that may get the deal done.

But if J A Happ / Drabek / Taylor or Brown with Donald and Savory type deal may actually be better deal for the Jays.

Locally in Cleveland here talk started knowing that the Indians arn't interested but if they were what would it take.

It's thought that it would take something like this.

David Huff / Hector Rondon / Matt LaPorta / Carlos Santana and Lonnie Chisenhall / Cord Phillips and maybe TJ McFarline to get a deal done.

Posted by: baseballnuts | July 11, 2009 at 01:10 PM

"Should include Floyd / Richard / Beckham + 2 top 20 type prospects like Tyler Flowers & Jon Gilmore that may get the deal done."

If that doesn't get the deal done then the Jays are idiots. As for the white sox, there is no need for them to give up starters from there major league rosters to get Halladay.

Even though he's the best in the A.L. and argueably all of baseball. The sox starting rotation is already one of the best. Come playoff time not many teams can go 1-4 against the sox. If they can get away (which I doubt) with a Poreda/Richard and prospects deal (what it took to agree for Peavy) for Halladay, then I'm all for it, the Jays should ask for more though.

Posted by: g13 | July 11, 2009 at 01:20 PM

"but Gordon Beckham or Alexei Ramirez would be dealbreakers."

in other words, the White Sox will not be dealing for Halladay

Posted by: Yose | July 11, 2009 at 01:26 PM

I don't blame Riccardi for asking the world for Halladay, but eventually he's going to have to lower his price if he wants to trade him.

Posted by: Joe | July 11, 2009 at 01:35 PM

Well you can't believe what any team is saying right now, about wants and untouchables. Because the Jays are saying they want more then it will take and the teams interested are saying there a pieces they won't trade that they probably will.

No one wants to show all their cards it is part of the process in trying to get the best deal possible.

Posted by: Devmac | July 11, 2009 at 01:48 PM

@HumanToilet

Obviously we still do, and I doubt Moore will make Betancourt the light of the Royals.

Posted by: Bannister19 | July 11, 2009 at 02:01 PM

"The Blue Jays send Roy Halladay to the Philliles and a prospect to the Braves.

The Phillies send Jason Werth to the Braves, Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown to the Blue Jays.

The Braves send Ryan Church to the Phillies, Kris Medlen, and Diory Hernandez to the BlueJays."

No way the Phillies trade All-Star Jayson Werth and in return get another lefty...that's just idiotic. Especially since his name is Ryan Church. Ryan Church is turning into the NL East Whore, nobody wants him.

To top that off, the Phillies won't trade Werth (or anybody of value) to a NL East Contender...sorry, Ruben is smarter than that.

If Phillies land Halladay they will give up a bunch of prospects (they have three in the top 25) and maybe Happ. They are not looking to make adjustments to their line-up...esp. their only power hitting righty.

Posted by: ChasenWerth | July 11, 2009 at 02:34 PM

and from what we hear if the White Sox land Halladay, the almighty Don Cooper will turn him into a 40 game winner.

and from a previous post, I agree, come playoff time nobody can match up with the White Sox pitching (because the Cheap Sox will not be in the playoffs).

Posted by: Joegottago | July 11, 2009 at 02:45 PM

Gavin Floyd? that's funny

Posted by: Jim T | July 11, 2009 at 06:28 PM

and from a previous post, I agree, come playoff time nobody can match up with the White Sox pitching (because the Cheap Sox will not be in the playoffs).

Posted by: Joegottago | July 11, 2009 at 02:45 PM

Why aren't the sox going to make the playoff? They have the second best pitching in the AL. And when Quentin comes back it will be like a deadline trade. All the sox starting spots will then be able to hit.

Posted by: kcatlantis | July 11, 2009 at 08:07 PM

Well if the Blue jays Gm wants to include wells in the halladay trade like he wants to, he better lower his price for halladay for some team eating that huge contract from that overpaid bum wells

Posted by: Cwsbaseballyes | July 11, 2009 at 08:09 PM

Phil Rogers of The Chicago Tribune says to keep an eye on the White Sox in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. He speculates that they could build a package around Gavin Floyd, but Gordon Beckham or Alexei Ramirez would be dealbreakers.

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HAHAHA really? So what exactly do the White Sox in theory want to part with? Do they wanna give the Jays Josh Fields and Gavin Floyd and call it a day?

Seriously, no Beckham, no deal. Any team wanting to acquire Halladay better be ready to give up one of the their top young stars currently playing in the majors along with one of their top prospects and then some other players of value.

Posted by: xethicx | July 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM

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