Renck's Latest: Freddy Sanchez, Giants, Rockies

I'm very curious to see Jonathan's next start. They talked about a change in his mechanics. So far so good...lets see if this was just a one time deal or if it actually will make him better.

The no no was still FUN. Made me a little teary :)

I don't see the Giants dealing any of there starters. Cain took a shot off his right elbow last night. He should be ok but probably won't pitch in the all star game. Neukom is on record as saying they like the team they have, but will add payroll/trade for the right guy. It won't be for any of there top 4 or 5 prospects.

I agree, Sanchez is definately not the middle-of-the-order bat they need. Someone as in Matt Holliday or Vernon Wells could be. Though Wells is struggling, he may benefit from a change of scenary.

Jonathan Sanchez and Randy Winn for Matt Holliday?

Vernon Wells?? With that contact?? NO WAY!!!

Sanchez may not be a great pitcher stat wise, but that does'nt stop teams from asking for him. This is'nt new. Like Cain, teams have been asking for Sanchez for the last two or three years, so there must be something they see in him. Is Sanchez going to fetch a Holliday or another heavy bat by himself? No. But he could be part of a package that could. I'd rather he go that way than just for Freddy Sanchez

Wells for Zito?

Fortunately, front office personnel are not fickle like fans. That was a great game Sanchez threw the other night. But he still has a body of work to go by. One outing does not increase his trade value that much in the eyes of those who count. Just like Freddy and Jack have more value to the Pirates then they do anyone else. The Pirates won't give either away at least I hope they don't. Right now they are the glue that's holding the wobbly ship up in Pittsburgh. It would be scary to think what the Pirates would be without Jack and Freddy up the middle unless replacements are acquired.

"One outing does not increase his trade value that much in the eyes of those who count"
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I most certainly agree.

I wonder if there is some sort of deal that could be done in a Halladay + Wells for Zito and prospects.

Why would you even mention Jermaine Dye in rumors? Look at his stats, he was snubbed of an all-star appearance. Not only that, but the White Sox are 2 games back. Why would they give up a projected 40hr 100rbi player when your two games back? The only way i would ever trade Dye is for Cain and that would never happen.

The Sanchez for Sanchez boat has already sailed with Cain taking a ball off his throwing elbow, Johnson out for a bit and a murderous second half schedule. Forget Jonathon & a prospect for a 31 year old with tweaky back that is the product of way too many paint fumes in a closed room .

Braves NLeast: Wells with his Zito like contract and will be 31 next year? No thanks. If the Giants’ are going to do a wages relief package for a Jays Of it should be Rios. And I am not holding my breathe there.

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ChiSoxkilla: In the NL a hitter still has to play the field. Dye is not good at that any more. Once he leaves those smaller parks in the AL Centeral and has to play the larger out fields in the NL West he will look extreamly ugly.

Trading J. Sanchez for Freddy Sanchez would be poor use of an assett in my opinion. Freddy would be an upgrade at 2b but would do little to address the Giants need for a middle of the order bat to help this year. I would think they could flip J. Sanchez to Baltimore for Luke Scott. B'more gets a top SP who they can afford to sit on and figure things out while the Giants get a power bat they stick in LF/RF/1B and can control for another 2 years or so?

"The Giants are "lukewarm" on Matt Holliday but like Jermaine Dye. Brian Sabean recently defused rumors involving Dye."

Does Sabean not understand defense and park adjusted stats? Holliday is having a down year, but he's still a very good hitter when considering park factors AND a very good fielder. I take him over Dye every day, especially in the NL.

To get Holliday I think the Giants would have to give up Alderson and Noonan. I just don't see them doing that for a rental.

melonis: Aren't the Giants looking for a power hitter? Dye isn't as horrible in RF as people think. He'll never be mistaken for a GG but I think they'll gladly take what he gives them in the field if he can deliver the pop that they need. Right now Holliday's 8 hrs (4 @ home, 4 on the road) simply isn't enough compared to Dye's 20. He's on pace to put up really good middle of the order numbers.

YanksFan: I like what you thinking but I think the Giants would have to kick in a little bit more for equal value purposes. Given current conditions I think philosophic exercise for the next couple months though.

"If you saw Sadowski pitching his last start, you'd understand that even though Sanchez can either be really good or really bad, he's still better than a guy who was never meant to be called up."

What are you talking about in his last start? The 6+ IP and only 2 ER... Yeah, seems like a loser to me. /sarcasm off

Sadowski has got some decent stuff and great control.

My mistake, Sadowski only got 5IP in his last start... Still wasn't a bad game though. 5H, 2ER.

In Sadowski's three games he gave up 2 earned runs in 18 innings to three pretty good hitting teams in Mil, Hou & Fla. All translating to a 1.00 ERA. Not saying he's ready to become a permanant fixture, but it ain't bad for a guy "who was never meant to be called up" and certainly better than alot of other teams pitching call-ups

"Aren't the Giants looking for a power hitter? Dye isn't as horrible in RF as people think. "

He's awful defensively. On pace to be worth -11 runs in RF this year. The Giants are looking for a power hitter, but they have to look at defense as if they don't, he'll just give a lot of that power back. Holliday and Dye have both been 1.8 WAR players this year. Dead even.

"Sabean understands that Holliday's contract is up after this year, and he's stated that he doesn't want a rental."

As is Dye's, as that option is a massive overpayment for Jermaine's services. And Dye is much more likely to accept arbitration than Holliday, which means no draft picks. Older and has a track record of being an awful, awful defender.

"No way should he command a top 5 prospect."

I agree with this. I said nothing about Alderson, someone else brought that up.

JP: Hence the ’02 Ryan Jensen name drop. ( http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=jensery01&year=2002&t=p ) He was key part of the ’02 team making it to the post season and had some very nice outings that year. ( http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=jensery01&t=p&year=2002 ) Only to be swallowed up by the sands of time after that magical season.

I wonder if the Giants would trade Winn and Sanchez or the Big Legowski (whatever his name is) for Dye
There are so many factors that go into a trade - thats why a lot never happen.

I don't see the Giants trading J. Sanchez at this point. Dumping a fastball like that can't do anything but come back to bite you. What about a package of sadowski, bowker and frandsen for Freddy Sanchez?

Dye makes the most sense for this team. He is the most consistent 30-100 guy that we can get. Chicago wantss to get rid of Dye because they dont want to pay him this year and his option next year, however even though Chi knows they cant make the playoffs and win, only being 2.5 games back the fans would revolt. Chi also wants to move Konerko. The giants need to stand pat until they get middle of the order guy. Getting Sanchez now makes little sense for us until it is clear they are going all in for the WS.

Also Dye isnt the best OF but hes not the worst not to mention having Rowand, Nate, winn, Torres gives the giants some defensive leeway.

Sorry at&t Park

@ Tyler

Ishikawa doesn't need a great second half to be valuable to the Giants. If he can put up average first baseman numbers, that great defense he can give will be more than enough.

I actually thought if you put him in the 3 spot in front of Sandoval, he might get some better pitches, if he works the count better.

The Giants are 10 games over .500, scoring plenty of runs and somehow even hitting the long ball. They've got pitching in the minor leagues to account for Cain's bruised right arm and even for Johnson's shoulder injury. There's no reason to make a deal just to add a little run production in the middle infield or pick up a corner outfielder in the walk year of his contract. If they could land F. Sanchez for a batch of mid-level prospects like the Braves packaged for McClouth...OK. If they can sign Holliday or Dye to a longer deal...they'd need to address the small, unspoken problem of fouling up the chemistry of a team playing better than anyone expected. Rumor mill's no place to really get into 25 guys playing hard, playing well, etc. ... and how benching a middlin' outfielder like Schierholtz to make room for Dye could potentially muck up the works. The Giants don't have the talent to be 10 games over .500...but, they're 10 games over .500...so, adding talent for talent's sake might not be the right thing to do right now.

as long as we could lock him in for a couple of years

"Err, you mean Winn and Rowand. Nate is a stiff evryday guy. At the best he's a 4th OF/PH Double switch guy."

Err...Rowand doesn't play RF. People here talk about Dye as if he would play RF. Winn/Schierholtz have RF on lockdown now. I disagree with you about Nate. His defense and cannon arm are of definite value in our park.

Dempsey,

I dont blame you for not wanting J. Sanchez based on his work thus far, it's very conservative/safe for Pirate fans to feel that way. For Giants fans, I don't think we should jump the gun either with our starting rotation in limbo, plus I want to see his next few starts, if 57 can stay consistent with his mechanics, I think Pirate fans will be kicking themselves, maybe... just maybe, he's finally becoming the pitcher we all know he can be, we'll see in the 2nd half hopefully! (god zito sucked ba1Ls today, 450k per start.... uhh)

55saveslives is correct, I wouldn't want Dye in RF, Nate and Winn are far better suited for RF, Nate is an assassin out there!

It must suck to be a Pittsburgh Pirate. The reason behind this is you know as a good player who makes a good bit of money, you're chances of staying there are slim to none. This must be a stressful time for Sanchez and LaRoche. Mainly LaRoche because he must come to terms with the fact that he may not be playing alongside his brother too much longer.

They stuck with F.Lewis so long 'cause they know Nate is not a starting OF for them.

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I don't completely agree with this. I think they wanted to see what they had in F lewis after he made strides last year. Remember Lewis got off to a smokn' hot start then went cold as ice.

Nate is very good in RF and lewis is a butcher in LF. The Giants now know Lewis is not the long term answer in LF. Lewis is purely a PH now. Bowker will take Lewis's spot not Nate's. The Giants will live with a RF with an OPS+ of 100 in RF with great defense.

If we're going to trade away prospects or even Sanchez for a second baseman, than I think it should be Uggla. 1)We fill a gaping hole in our infield 2)We solve the power hitter situation. Imagine the lineup with him rather than F Sanchez. Power hitting homerun hitters put fans in seats.

There is no way Sabean stays with Nate starting. If any Giant fan, and I am, thinks were going to make it with Nate, you're plain crazy. The guy swings at pitches that hit him. Must find an OF soon. Watch.

so kinsler 5 well just see how sanchez pithches next wont we

Do the giants really need a power hitter? I would say they need people to get on, aside from panda and rowand no one is even close to .300, at least not enough at bats to qualify. What they need is runners to be on for panda and molina. did anyone actually think panda would have 15hr's at the break? I didnt, i thought he'd be a .300+ hitter with 15-20hr's tops for the year. He has a chance at 30+ hr's, they would score more if there were actually guys on to drive in. Acquiring sanchez would be an upgrade, not only at 2b but for the offense. Jonathan has been inconsistent this year while freddy has played good all year. rowand leadoff, sanchez second, panda third, molina fourth, they're bound to score for sure. and the giants are 24-0 when allowing fewer than 2 runs. With this pitching staff and bullpen (except howry) the giants can win playing small ball. Get real, does anyone want to be like the phillies (this year), hitting a bunch of hr's, and their pitching sucks. Acquring a big bat will demand more than jonathan, meaning cain and we certainly don't want to do that. Giants need to bring in guys that can hit .300 or very close to that and go small ball. panda will likely end up with 25-30 hr's while htting over .300 and molina can add another 20+. The way i see it is cain and lincecum are untouchable, anyone else is game