Roy Halladay Rumors: Sunday

This is the Johan Santana drama from a couple years back. As much as I want Halladay to go to my Phillies, he's not getting trading. Why do GMs of bad teams get their kicks out of this kind of thing?

Indeed! I thought Shaiken's piece was nonsense. The last thing the Dodgers are going to want at this point in the season is a piecemeal backstop situation. If they had a solid prospect coming up, maybe they deal Martin -- but they don't, so forget about it. They also aren't going to deal one of their best pitching hopes for the future in Kershaw and they certainly aren't going to part with Bills, even for Halladay. This is crazy talk.

Any deal with the Dodgers will start with Kershaw and then continue down the list. Kershaw and Martin for Halladay and Barajas could work, that way the Dodgers still have a catcher that can hit.

Ellis is not ready to take over for Martin. Ausmus is too old to be an everyday catcher. Who plays catcher if Martin goes?

If they trade Martin for Halladay, Barajas could stop-gap.

Irrelevant. Jays have a good catcher in the system and Colleti would be an idiot to give up Martin when they are posting the best record in the majors.

if Gordon is untouchable, what about Ivan DeJesus? Kershaw, DeJesus, plus

The Jays are crazy if they think they are going to get players like Kershaw and Martin for 1 1/2 years of Halladay.

'The only way they acquire Roy Halladay is if they give up one or two of the faces of the franchise(Kemp, Martin, Loney, Eithier, Billingsley, or Broxton. What if they gave up Martin and signed Joe Mauer in 2010? I still say they should be content with the team they have now, because if you shake things up just a bit, things could spiral down quickly.
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yesterday, there was a rumor that a dozen scouts were at the Jays game, along with 2 scouts from the dodgers. It sounds like they were looking at Rolen. It seems like it could be Halladay and Rolen for Loney +. It would be 30M in payroll relief this yr and next...

'Any deal with the Dodgers will start with Kershaw and then continue down the list. Kershaw and Martin for Halladay and Barajas could work, that way the Dodgers still have a catcher that can hit.'

You, are an idiot. That is our 2-time all star catcher and our #2 starter, A 21 YEAR OLD. they arent trading one of them, let alone both.

'note to Toronto Blue Jays.. do no trade for Russell Martin. i dont care if hes Canadian, hes overrated. the Jays dont need a catcher, they have JP Arencibia in the minors.'

Oh of course. Having a bad yr at the dish(still hitting 20 points above the average catcher) but playing one of the best behind-the-dish defense and a great game caller.

'The Dodgers aren't trading their best pitcher away. Because, if you haven't noticed, that is what Kershaw has become.

As for DeJesus, he suffered a significant injury in ST, and I don't think he is fully healed yet, so I don't know how that changes his abilitiy to be traded.'

He broke his leg in ST but is coming on better than originally thought. If he is needed in a deal, he could be a PTBNL

^^The Jays don't need salary relief. Loney and salary relief wouldn't net you Halladay and Rolen. You'd need to put in some prospects.

Anyone else find it hilarious that GMs are calling their "untouchable" prospects and players when Halladay is brought up?

ITS ROY FREAKING HALLADAY! He's easily in the top 10 players in the game, period, theres only a handful of players alive who are better than him, meaning no prospect in the game is worth more than him, not one. Even Strasburg+another blue chip for Halladay is a fair deal.....because Roy Halladay is really awesome at baseball and has proven it.

Add in the fact that we have no idea what GMs are calling "untouchable."

Earth to you - people posting here are not MLB GMs. They're fans.

Both of those pitchers are shakier the ALI!!

BLAH BLAH BLAH lots and lots of BLAH, I'm a homer, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM
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You know what I love about you and your posts. Whenever there's a trade rumour about a great player of any kind, you ALWAYS think the Dodgers are front runners.

But when it comes time to having to give up someone, you seem to think the Dodgers will be able to obtain amazing players for next to nothing.

You are one of the most delusional homers on this site. Youre almost as bad as RED_SOX_DYNASTY.

Yes they have a great record and yes theyre a great team but make no mistake, having Halladay would make the team 10 times better but to get him, Kershaw would have to come back the other way.

Its also not outlandish to suggest that Martin could be on the trading block either because he has been there before.

Its also not outlandish to suggest that Martin could be on the trading block either because he has been there before.

Posted by: xethicx | July 12, 2009 at 03:25 PM

Yeah according to the Red Sox vessel known as ESPN.

The Dodgers can probably afford Halladay's salary but what they can't afford is to trade a rotation pitcher for him, least of all, someone with the upside of Kershaw. If the Dodgers' problem is the lack of a reliable #5 guy, then how in the world does trading ANY of their starters for another starter help? That makes even less sense than trading Martin. Add to that, dealing a first string catcher in mid-season is just plain unwise unless you have to. It disrupts the pitching squad too.

If Ned can't find pitching with money and some minor league prospects, I think he leaves well enough alone.

"Your post is beyond idiotic unless there are 1) unlimited payrolls, 2) You're guaranteed that Halladay will not age, at all, and 3) Halladay signs an extension to make his 6 years of team control = to the prospects given up.

As none of these three are true, your post is stupid."

LMAO seriously?

1. There is no guarantee that these prospects given up will pan out, and if they do, provide 6 years of above replacement level production (newsflash: there isn't any on either count). You can't linearly compare their future production to Halladay's future production, as Halladay is MUCH MORE LIKELY to produce to his level than these prospects are to reach their ceilings or even come close to them.

2. Teams don't have unlimited payrolls, but no team is forced to trade for Halladay. You want to obtain another team's good player, they have to like the price. JP has zero reason to sell Halladay for a package he doesn't see fit. A Halladay trade is GOING to hurt the other team. It's going to be a HUGE risk. If it doesn't, JP should not be allowed to enter Canada or an MLB FO again.

Teams can always, as we all know, develop their own pitching. Or acquire pitching through other avenues.

3. VERY few teams can even decently fill rotation spots 1-5 internally, especially going into 2010. Very few teams legitimately have pitching depth. EVERY pitcher who hits the market, whether via trade or FA's price is going to be inflated by this. Toss in a weak FA market for SP this offseason, and prices are going higher. It's called supply and demand.

Hey Melonis, I was curious what you think a team would have to pay (in terms of dollars) to purchase two top level prospects like say Vitters and Samardzija?

Thanks

"Would you trade David Price for Halladay?

Kershaw was ranked second to Price in the minors..

Kershaw will be better than Halladay within 2 years.

Russell Martin is still having a good year, not good for Russell but good for MLB catchers.

Please stop hating on Dodger fans when they have fits about our core..

The Hype is real.

Posted by: 661dodgerblue"

The Hype may be real and trust me I'm not saying they should trade Kershaw, as a Braves fan I felt the same way about Hanson as far as not wanting to trade him.

Still don't you think this comment was a little over board? "Kershaw will be better than Halladay within 2 years."

I mean come on you said yourself he was ranked second to Price in the Minors, so how can you assume that he will be better than maybe the best pitcher in the majors within 2 years?

Trust me like I said I'm not saying they should trade Kershaw for Halladay but to assume he will be better than Halladay within 2 years is pretty much nuts. If you said he might be or could be that would be a little different but that still would be giving him to much credit IMO.

If you said he could be just as good as Halladay within 2 years, I would probably say it could be possible, but I would also say your damn lucky if he is.

Kershaw in two years will be 23..

If Kershaw cut his walks down by a third hes a elite pitcher this season..

Just think about it.

I think batters are batting under 200 against him.

Kershaw 23 year old season(2 million maybe?) vs. Halladay 34 year old season (17-20 million)

"Kershaw 23 year old season(2 million maybe?) vs. Halladay 34 year old season (17-20 million)

Posted by: 661dodgerblue"

Yes but my comment earlier had nothing to do with age and/or salary. Like I said I wasn't debating the trade issue between the 2. Just the comment where you said he would be better than Halladay within 2 years, and you didn't mention anything about age or salary.

This entire debate about whether Kershaw could be as good as or better than Halladay is pointless. You can forget the discussions of relative salaries too. The simple fact is that it makes no sense for the Dodgers to deal someone out of the rotation to get back another starting pitcher.

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Kershaw has a 9k per 9 innings ratio, He holds batters under a two hundred average, basically hes doing this with two pitches.

Hes a few walks away from being elite..

So your telling me Halladay will be better in 3-4 years?

Posted by: 661dodgerblue"

First you originally said within 2 years and now your saying in 3-4 years, there's a little bit of difference between the 2.

Second, I'm not saying Halladay will be better because no one knows who will be better.

Still you have to realize without knowing how Kershaw will progress during that time or if Halladay will start losing it by that point, it's just hard to tell. But there's a big difference between within 2 years and in 3-4 years.

Still look at Halladay's stats, he's not showing any signs of slowing down at all yet.

Between last year and so far this year he is 30-14 (winning% of .682) with an ERA of 2.80 a WHIP of 1.068 and 12 CG during his 50 starts over that time. Don't forget he also pitches in the AL with the DH and probably in the toughest division in all of baseball, he has to face the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays who are all very good teams.

I'm not putting Kershaw down at all but it's a little much to assume guys are going to be better than the best within 2 years or in 3-4...etc