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By Tim Dierkes [October 13, 2009 at 9:07am CST]
With the Rockies' 2009 season over, Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post is already discussing 2010. Here's the latest:
- Look for GM Dan O'Dowd to receive a new contract soon. O'Dowd will then attempt to re-sign manager Jim Tracy.
- Rafael Betancourt has a steep $5.4MM club option for 2010. The reliever wants to return, and Renck finds it possible. He says catcher Yorvit Torrealba, who has a $4MM mutual option, is less certain to remain with the team.
- The Rockies are expected to let free agent starter Jason Marquis leave and replace him with Jeff Francis. Presumably the Rockies will not offer arbitration to Marquis, a probable Type B free agent. Jason Giambi, Jose Contreras, and Joe Beimel are possibilities to re-sign.
- Renck sees Garrett Atkins as a trade or non-tender candidate. It wouldn't make much sense for a team to acquire Atkins prior to the non-tender deadline in mid-December.
- Renck considers right fielder Brad Hawpe a trade candidate given the Rockies' outfield depth. Hawpe will earn $7.5MM in 2010, but he can void his $10MM option for 2011 if traded. During the last four seasons, Hawpe has posted OBPs of .381 or better and SLGs of .498 or better. The knock is that he can't hit lefties, but he did a tolerable job against them in 2008-09. The other knock against Hawpe is his subpar defense. He still might fit with the Cubs or Mets, in my opinion.
Hawpe's subpar defense i not as bad as advertised. His UZR/150 scores are bad, but that is based on a system that was designed for infielders, and does have no method for compensating for the various heights of flyballs, other than hoping they all even out.
Also, it does not allow for arm strength, and Hawpe easily has one of the strongest outfield throwing arms in MLB. That arm does not help him track down flyballs any faster, but it does certainly help on defense...
Posted by: notin | October 13, 2009 at 09:13 AM
I think that the Rockies need to non-tender Garrett Atkins and trade Brad Hawpe. They need to free up those spots for Ian Stewart and an everyday outfield of Fowler, Gonalez and Smith, and they still have the rest of the lineup set.
Betancourt was dominant in Colorado, but $5.1M is a lot of cash, it might be in their best interests to decline to the option and attempt to resign him at a lesser cost.
They have a good lineup with Iannetta, Helton, Barmes, Tulowitzki, Stewart, Gonzalez, Fowler, Smith and Hawpe, and it's good even without Hawpe, and the defense sure is hell is better without him, Gonzalez is great defensively.
The rotation should be pretty good again with Jimenez, Cook, De La Rosa, Hammel and some combination of Jeff Francis, Franklin Morales, Jhoulys Chacin and Esmil Rogers.
With that lineup, and a stable of young pitching that includes Jimenez, Hammel, Corpas, Morales, Chacin, Rogers, Tyler Matzek, Christian Friedrich, Rex Brothers, Greg Reynolds and Casey Weathers, the Rockies appear to be in great position for a long time.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 13, 2009 at 09:34 AM
That's what I like to hear. I'm a big fan of Hawpe. I'd love to see him with the Cubs if they can get their shiz figured out.
Posted by: Durkadurka | October 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM
I think two of those Rockies seem to fit with the Mets. Hawpe and Marquis.
Hawpe can be corner OF protection, his career splits of Home/Away are very similar and he had more HR on the road this season, which is good. The Mets can look for another OF also and if anything have Francoeur and Hawpe to platoon in RF. Francoeur hits LHP well and Hawpe can hit RHP. Also his strong arm will help in RF if needed.
Marquis mainly because of his durability, something Mets can use in the starting rotation. He averages 196 innings pitched over the last 6 seasons. If they were to add a Harden as well to slot in as a true #2, then Pelfrey/Marquis could give a descent #3 and 4. IMO.
I know some people will comment Marquis and Harden... typical Met fan, blah blah, but it would cost less than Lackey for both of them and provide depth to the SP.
As for the Rockies, they are in real solid shape moving forward, Gonzalez in the OF looks really good and Tulo looks to have his health and swing back. Ubaldo might be a legit ace (especially what he has done in Coors Field), and they have plenty in the farm coming in relatively soon. Not a bad time to be a Rox fan.
Posted by: MrMet | October 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I agree with scribbletone that Hawpe should be traded and Marquis and Atkins should be let go.
When you can field an outfield with the athletic ability of Fowler, Gonzalez, Spilly, and Smith and still get really good offensive production you should do it, especially in Coors Field.
Hawpe should be able to bring in a decent haul as there are several teams out there who desire a LHB power OFer of which just isn't out there in the FA market: Tigers, White Sox, Giants come to mind along with the already mentioned Mets and Cubs. They also aren't in a position where they have to demand MLB ready talent in return so they can maximize their potential with lower minors prospects.
Even though they lost in four they are going to be in a good position for a while. This is what I would go with next year:
1. Gonzalez CF
2. Fowler RF
3. Helton 1B
4. Tulowitzki SS
5. Stewart 3B
6. Smith/Spilly LF
7. Barmes 2B
8. Iannetta C
Jimenez
Cook
De La Rosa
Hammel
Francis/Chacin
That is a complete lineup with power, speed and defense paired with a deep rotation fronted by a legit young TOR starter. It wasn't just luck that got Colorado to
the postseason, they are really set up well.
Posted by: bbxxj | October 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I like the Mets and Giants as fits for Hawpe.
The Mets could offer something based around Jefry Marte, Francisco Pena and/or some other guys, and the Giants could offer something based around pitching and/or a young guy like Ehire Adrianza.
The Rockies should move Hawpe while he's expendable and has trade value, because the Rockies may already have three better players in their outfield.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM
"That's what I like to hear. I'm a big fan of Hawpe. I'd love to see him with the Cubs if they can get their shiz figured out."
I think the Cubs should not only get Hawpe, but also Brian Tallet, to go along with Theriot and Fontenot. Let's see how many members of that 1999-2000 LSU team we can get on one MLB franchise. Shane Youman still looking for an MLB job?
Posted by: notin | October 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I would love if the Mets picked up Hawpe - it wouldn't take so much and it would help solidify that corner OF spot. Even if he played everyday, it's an upgrade.
I don't really like picking up Marquis here. He's coming off his best season since 04. He's throws a lot of innings but I'd rather see the Mets trade for OF help and sign a big time starter.
Posted by: Dave8603 | October 13, 2009 at 10:57 AM
"Hawpe's subpar defense i not as bad as advertised. His UZR/150 scores are bad, but that is based on a system that was designed for infielders, and does have no method for compensating for the various heights of flyballs, other than hoping they all even out.
Also, it does not allow for arm strength, and Hawpe easily has one of the strongest outfield throwing arms in MLB. That arm does not help him track down flyballs any faster, but it does certainly help on defense..."
As FanGraphs reports it, UZR does track arm, which Hawpe happens to be below average at. He also is below average for range. Why would the height of the flyball matter? You either take a good route and are fast enough to get to it or you don't and you aren't.
Posted by: Piccamo | October 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM
"I would love if the Mets picked up Hawpe - it wouldn't take so much and it would help solidify that corner OF spot. Even if he played everyday, it's an upgrade."
I think that the Mets need to add an everyday outfielder and a first baseman, and let Murphy, Pagan and maybe Francoeur share time in the other spot.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Personally, I prefer the Fielding Bible plus/minus system. In 2008, Hawpe was the worst RF in the game under this system. I won't get into the details of the system, but it basically looks at every single play and comes up with a + or a - number for each player.
The Rockies really should move Hawpe, especially if the primary beneficiary is Seth Smith.
Posted by: vtadave | October 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM
1. Gonzalez CF
2. Fowler RF
3. Helton 1B
4. Tulowitzki SS
5. Stewart 3B
6. Spilbourghs LF
7. Ianetta C
8. Young 2B
SP-Jimenez
SP-Cook
SP-De La Rosa
SP-Francis
SP-Hammel
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | October 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Spilbourghs over Smith?
Um, no.
Posted by: R y a n | October 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I think trading Hawpe is a good idea for CO. Also, Atkins won't be back, so it'd be nice to trade him even if we just get $1 of value back, because that's better than just letting him walk. Marquis likely won't be back either. Between those 3, that's a huge chunk of salary off the books. And I think it's fairly clear we need to get a power RH-bat to play LF, ala Matt Holliday (someone like him via trade or FA).
Spilly and Smith need to stay as our reserve OFs. Also, I think 2B needs to be looked at. Barmes just doesn't cut it. Keep him as a utility player, sure, but not starter. If EYJ is ready, great. If not, also use some of that money saved to get a 2B.
Posted by: AZdenverfan | October 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM
What kind of return could Hawpe bring to the Rox? Any sort of MLB ready players?
Posted by: worldchamps08 | October 13, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Hawpe is the only proven OF Colorado has .Gonzalez could prove to be the next great CF but he's just 1/2 year into his MLB career.
Fowler and Smith ? Colorado would be wise to keep Hawpe and see what 2010 brings with it.
Atkins could bring in a decent prospect and a utility player.
Marquis will test FA and god bless any team who signs him.
Posted by: ToBe | October 13, 2009 at 01:01 PM
What do you think about trading Luke Scott from the Orioles, a LH batter who hits LH better than RH to the Rockies? What sort of turn would you expect? He's a bit streaky, but is cost-controlled, has big power, and is an average fielder.
Posted by: Piccamo | October 13, 2009 at 01:16 PM
You know who needs a cheap corner infielder with upside? The Baltimore Orioles. We need someone better than Melvin Mora (high standards, I know) to play for 1 or 2 years before Josh Bell is ready. If Atkins plays well, we can either trade him after a season or move Bell to 1B. If he doesn't - well, at least he had more upside than Mora.
No clue who we would trade for him though. Luke Scott? Ty Wigginton? Jeremy Guthrie?
Posted by: ugen64 | October 13, 2009 at 01:17 PM
"And I think it's fairly clear we need to get a power RH-bat to play LF, ala Matt Holliday (someone like him via trade or FA)."
Totally disagree, Seth Smith is really good.
He has patience and power, he posted great numbers this year, and he's very good defensively too.
With Fowler and Gonzalez, he could make up a very athletic outfield that's great defensively and a solid combination of speed and power offensively.
Hawpe really doesn't have a spot in Colorado anymore.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 13, 2009 at 01:46 PM
No way they get Bell because he's going to replace Mora.
They don't need Marte he plays 3B and the Mets need him and Peterson just in case Wright leaves know or when he does.
Hawpe can stay. Move Stewart to 2B.
Posted by: Matt Galvin | October 13, 2009 at 02:23 PM
"Hawpe can stay. Move Stewart to 2B."
How is this related?
Stewart should be the everyday third baseman regardless of whether or not Hawpe is around.
Hawpe will take playing time away from Fowler, Gonzalez, Smith, Young Jr. and Spilborghs, not Stewart.
And when it comes to players that are as far away from the majors as Jefry Marte, it doesn't matter if someone is blocking them at the ML level. That player will either be gone by the time that Marte is ready, or you can find Marte a different spot in the lineup if his bat is actually that good.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 13, 2009 at 02:57 PM
I can see SF going after him, maybe even Boston if they don't retain Bay. The team I can see making a real run at Hawpe is ATL. Power hitting RF, probably wouldn't cost a fortune. Seems to fit the profile perfectly, IMO.
Posted by: WS2009 | October 13, 2009 at 06:22 PM
Well not perfectly, because he's left-handed, I forgot to take that into affect. That changes everything, but he would still do.
Posted by: WS2009 | October 13, 2009 at 06:24 PM