Trade Market: First Basemen

mets should go for loney

well if prince and adrian are not available, how about Jorge Cantu to the Orioles. Not a huge power threat but a Markakis type Rbi guy. It would make us a doubles factory with back2back 100 rbi guys. what do you think it would take to get him? Berken,albers/sarfate, d.hernandez work?

Roberts 50ish
Reimold 30full season
Markakis 40+
Cantu 40+
Jones 30ish? full season
scott 25 ish
weiters 25
wigginston/3b
isturzis/ss

they could use maine and a prospect, and the mets wanna free up a spot in the rotation to sign 2 good sp's this offseason

I think the Dodgers would do a Loney for Maine and a prospect swap, but I doubt the Mets would offer that.

Oh I got that tim, I was just curious to what it would actually take to get one of them if they were available

Adrian Gonzalez will go to the Red Sox and that is a given.

Nobody in their right mind would trade Fielder but the way MLB is structured he will have to be traded eventually.
The Yankees will get him as a full time DH.

Isn't MLB fun!

Red sox trade kotchman for stephen drew.
Sox trade: bowden,anderson,Pimentel,reddick,navarro
reds trade: bruce,votto

i think the mets would do that. loney for maine and someone like dylan owen or nick evans. The mets are considering moving maine to the pen, and want an upgrade in the rotation

what is the liklyiness that the red sox trade for prince this offseason? will the brewers even trade him?

Harrison: Were you kidding...because if so then disregard my next statement.

YOU......ARE.......STUPID.

Why would the D'backs even consider trading stephen drew who, 2 years ago, was considered one of the best young SS in baseball? He hasnt really broken through yet but he is still young and worth a hell of alot more than kotchman.....

i wouldnt mind something like loney and a bullpen pitching for F-mart

for gonzalez or fielder, neither will be had for less than an ace type power prospect and middle order type bat prospect plus 2 others

I would love if the brewers traded us prince,and corey hart and/or matt gamel.
Sox trade: Bowden,reddick,anderson,pimentel,Weiland maybe buchholz. we get prince.
then sox trade kotchman for hart.

the sox arent getting prince if bucholz and reddick arent the centerpieces. Maybe something like bucholz, reddick, bowden, and pimentel

"Felix, Lester, Lincecum..ect...just to silence those who keep trying to get Votto for nothing."

Votto is a good young hitter, but no way would he match up on a one for one trade with any of those pitchers, especially Hernandez. Besides if someone calls the Reds asking about Votto's availability then the conservation would end with a lot of laughter.

"what do u think it'll REALISTICALLY take to acquire a-gon or prince?"

Realistically it starts with Buchholz, Westmoreland, and Reddick. Then 2 from a group of Navarro, Pimentel, Dubrount, and Kalish.

Jorge Cantu to the Braves makes a bit of sense as he is a RHB 1B with good power and would be reasonably priced as he is only under control for one more year and is getting up there in salary.

Reyes, Gearrin and Spruil might get it done and that may be even be too much depending on your opinion of Spruil's potential.

The only way that I think Loney is traded is if it is for a 1B with more power(as part of a package). Something with the Pads or Brew Crew(Agon/Fielder). I dont think either will be traded, but both those teams would take a guy who hits around 290, 90RBIs, lowered his strikeout rate and increased his walk rates, and is at LEAST average with the glove. Like I said, he'd be part of a package, but he'd be a big piece, IMO.

With the Mets, I wouldnt take Maine for Loney. Loney is established, who has performed well in the postseason(349 career average), even if he has substandard power for a 1B(although he has the frame for power, just hasnt found it yet). Maine, meanwhile, doesnt seem to be a starter. He seems like he is a pen guy. In 99 games(96 starts), he has a 4.22 ERA, a 1.304 WHIP and an ERA+ of 101. No thanks...

There was one proposal, Loney and a pen guy for Fmart. Im curious what Fmart is expected to become(I know he was your top prospect a few years ago, but I believe he struggled in the majors this year). Also, which pen guy are you talking about? A Broxton type(HELL NO) or a Belisario type..?

Realistically it starts with Buchholz, Westmoreland, and Reddick. Then 2 from a group of Navarro, Pimentel, Dubrount, and Kalish.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | October 28, 2009 at 04:05 PM

this is probably the most realistic proposal i have seen on this site. basically most of the names that the red sox media machine has been telling the country are "untouchable" (stupid concept when you think about trading the inherently unknown commodities of prospects for one of the games best young hitters and 1B).

Tim,
if my sarcasm seemed to be an attack on you or the site, i apologize. admittedly i was kind of excited to see a new thread on adrian gonzalez (among others) to preoccupy me from more important things today. rolling my eyes at awful trade proposals from random fans throughout the country is a hobby of mine. i mask this shameful trait with self-deprecating sarcasm.

I see it being harder to pry Gonzalez from the Padres then getting Fielder from the Brewers. Not that either will happen but since the Brewers have a more realistic shot a contending if they can add pitching they may be tempted with the right deal. San Diego doesn't (or shouldn't) have any immediate ambitions for the playoffs so I don't see them being in a hurry to move AGon to fill needs. That all sounds backwards doesn't it? Move Fielder to improve your chances and keep AGon since you don't have a chance? Maybe I'm wrong but I just see the Brewers being more likely to deal out of necessity. No doubt they'd deal Gamel before Fielder though so it's just not likely to happen.

I wouldn't give up much of anything to get Cantu (certainly not Zeke Spruill). I hope the Braves just re-sign LaRoche.

"I wouldn't give up much of anything to get Cantu (certainly not Zeke Spruill). I hope the Braves just re-sign LaRoche."

As he said, it depends on what you think of Spruill. He's one of their best young pitchers, along with Delgado, Teheran, Minor, Kimbrel, Hoover, Hale and DeVall, and honestly, now that I think about it, I'm not sure that the Marlins could realistically expect any of the first four guys I just mentioned, along with Spruill.

Maybe something like Cole Rohrbough, Scott Diamond and Angelo Paulino for Cantu?

I have a feeling that the Loney we saw the last two seasons is the Loney we'll see for the next two, BUT I think the Dodgers should still give him another season to prove himself. His bizarre home/road splits and his performance in Sept/Oct merit giving him a year to get it together.

"Could a package built around those two work?"

Kelly and Westmoreland have the best potential of all Sox prospects, at least until Renfroe is evaluated on a pro level. I'd be very surprised to see both of them gone from the Sox system in any trade.

Yeah I agree with your list of Braves pitching prospects.

Diamond, Ortango, D. Delgado and Redmond could all be trade fodder as marginal prospects. Randal Degado, Teheran, Hoover, Hale, Kimbrel, and Minor are likely not going anywhere unless in some sort of huge Tex-like deal. Spruil is very talented but was disciplined this year for undisclosed reasons and Rohrbough is very talented but has had confidence issues this year.

So I would put Reyes out there as the MLB ready starter, Spruil/Rohrbough as the risk upside chip, and one of filler starters mentioned above as depth. Such a package should be fair return for one year of Cantu.

What's a fair package for Gonzalez outside of dealing Buccholz or Bard? These two have roles they need to fill this upcoming year along with bigger jobs in the forseeable future; we just cannot deal either of them.

I think Kelly would have to be included, no?

"Red sox trade kotchman for stephen drew.
Sox trade: bowden,anderson,Pimentel,reddick,navarro
reds trade: bruce,votto"

terrible proposals. but then again thats a typical red sox post on this site

"Daric Barton should be on this list, Oakland has Carter, Wallace, Dolittle....any number of 1Bmen in waiting. Come June Barton wont have a job in Oakland unless he's hitting .325 and even then, his value will be sky high but he'll still be available."

I wouldn't be surprised if Wallace started out at third at least when he comes out, although he obviously won't end up playing there for long.

Carter and Doolittle certainly will emerge at some point, but I think that it's more likely that Cust is dealt to free up the DH spot for Wallace or Carter than Barton, who showed some pretty good ability in 2009 and is better defensively than any of the other guys, although it's unclear what Wallace will be able to do as a first baseman.

Any team looking for a young 1B should definitely look Barton's way though.

What about maybe some sort of deal that exchanges Barton and another piece for Reid Brignac, because Pena's contract runs up after next season and the Rays don't have any potential replacements in the system.

"I dont think the Red Sox or Yankees get Prince or A-Gone, because those teams' prospects are slowly going the way of the Mets ones aka HUGE media hype by media that has no idea what its talking about, or is deliberately hyping mediocrity to boost value (happened with the Mets, see the Johan Santana trade. They literally traded 4 bad but hyped prospects for one of the best in the game)."

Humber was rated #73 in BA's 2007 Top 100, Gomez was rated #52 in the 2008 Top 100, and Guerra was rated #35 in the 2008 list as well.

They certainly weren't on the level of Buchholz/Ellsbury/Hughes at the time, but these guys certainly weren't regarded as bad prospects as the time of the deal, which is what really matters.

And it's still hard to hold that one against Minnesota, Johan's NTC destroyed their leverage, although obviously they turned down superior offers (they offered Lester!!) before accepting the Mets'.

"If the Red Sox are willing to package together Kelly and Westmoreland, they can land essentially any player available on the market, there's not a team in baseball that would be willing to offer a package that could match their upside."Posted by: scribbletone

They'll never get Adrian Gonzalez if those two are the major pieces in a trade! If their new general manager is going to trade the most popular and the best player on the team (and young and affordabe for two more seasons) he's is going to have to do better than a couple of A ball players - no matter how much upside they have. Trading Gonzalez for only prospects will look like Hoyer is just doing his old boss a favor.

Red Sox will need to include several young major league or major league ready players starting with Bucholz, Bard and some others though I think the Padres will ask for Lester or Pedroia as a centerpiece in exchange for Gonzalez.

FYI, there seems to be a lot of diferent opinions about Westmoreland and how well he projects. Apparently, some organizations like him a lot while others don't.

"Red Sox will need to include several young major league or major league ready players starting with Bucholz, Bard and some others though I think the Padres will ask for Lester or Pedroia as a centerpiece in exchange for Gonzalez."

Pedroia and Lester are both better players than Gonzalez, I'll take an elite 2B or an elite lefty starter over an elite slugging 1B anyday, especially when the former two are under team control for longer.

"FYI, there seems to be a lot of diferent opinions about Westmoreland and how well he projects. Apparently, some organizations like him a lot while others don't."

I don't know, but I haven't heard a single scout that isn't impressed by his tools and upside, even if he's raw and mostly projection at this point.

"They'll never get Adrian Gonzalez if those two are the major pieces in a trade! If their new general manager is going to trade the most popular and the best player on the team (and young and affordabe for two more seasons) he's is going to have to do better than a couple of A ball players - no matter how much upside they have. Trading Gonzalez for only prospects will look like Hoyer is just doing his old boss a favor."

Well, obviously those two wouldn't be the only pieces in the deal, and while it might look like Hoyer is doing Epstein a favor, he could potentially be setting up San Diego to land a Colon-like haul of superstar-upside talent, something that San Diego's farm system is lacking in, beyond Donovan Tate.

Kelly should start next season in AA, and while Westmoreland only played in A ball, he showed a pretty good approach at the plate while hitting quite well, he should be in AA by the end of 2010.

If the Padres deal Gonzalez, they need to get potential stars in return, and Kelly and Westmoreland are those kinds of players.

Something like Kelly, Westmoreland, Bowden and Kalish could be a very solid offer.

I'm glad the ridiculous Fielder trade speculation is being downplayed finally. The Brewers are in "go for it" mode for next year with Melvin's talk of acquiring at least two pitchers to bolster the rotation. Ripping out the heart of the order by trading Prince would render any pitching acquisitions moot.

so fielder is out of the equation for the giants

"Loney for Pelfrey"

Actually I like that, but I am very biased with Loney and I would say no, LOL.

I believe Loney will not be any worse than what he did this year, and that is fine for the next two years. I really think they should throw Loney in the fire and bat him third in ST and the beginning of the season. Joe Torre was throwing all kind of crazy lineups out there this season. To be honest I rather have Loney batting 3rd than Manny/Ethier/Kemp.

I do not Fielder or Gonzalez.
Fielder is too expensive for the Dodgers unless someone else buys the team with the intention of winning with expense.

Gonzalez is cheap but Coletti would have to give up Loney plus prospects, and I think the prospects would have to be E. Martin/Gordon/Lindblom/Elbert and something more.

Way too much for the Dodgers right now.

"I believe Loney will not be any worse than what he did this year, and that is fine for the next two years. I really think they should throw Loney in the fire and bat him third in ST and the beginning of the season. Joe Torre was throwing all kind of crazy lineups out there this season. To be honest I rather have Loney batting 3rd than Manny/Ethier/Kemp."

Torre should focus on learning that Furcal doesn't belong in the lead-off spot given the way he's been playing.

Getting Furcal out of the leadoff spot is more important than who bats third.

And honestly, I would want Kemp batting third, I think that he could absolutely blow up next season.

"Actually I like that, but I am very biased with Loney and I would say no, LOL."

I know every Dodgers fans will start screaming at me for this, but what the hell. I'm not sure why Dodger fans are still high on Loney. Sure he had a great half season 2 years ago, but since then he's put up the worst OPS (.764) of regular first basemen. Sure he's gotten 180 RBIs in that time, but again he's in the bottom third of regular first basemen. No matter the potential he showed in 07 I still come back to 2 years as, to put it kindly, a subpar bat at a position that requires serious production.

"Red sox trade kotchman for stephen drew.
Sox trade: bowden,anderson,Pimentel,reddick,navarro
reds trade: bruce,votto"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That could only happen in a Video Game. One that has some sort of Virus.

The only way the Reds trade Votto would be for another team's entire roster. Votto and Bruce are the cornerstones to the franchise that will lead the Reds back to the world series.

Posted by: BigRedOne | October 28, 2009 at 04:20 PM

Thank you BigRedOne. I feel like I've been fighting that battle alone.

F-Mart and another B prospect for Loney and Belisario. F-Mart is still considered the mets top prospect, and by the way the mets farm isnt as bad as ppl say. They have a load of talent in the lower minors, and some draft picks and international signings emerging ( Ike Davis, Jenry Mejia, Brad Holt, Wilmer Flores, Jeyrus Familia.)

Belisario is too good and cheap to be dealt right now.

SWP, I don't blame you for asking that question. Next year will determine if the Dodgers commit to him for the long haul or not.

I'm not sure about this trade proposal but, papelbon for drew and montero of arizona?

661Dodgerblue,

Have noticed in several above posts that you have mentioned Ryan Dent and Wil Middlebrooks from the Sox system as people that you like. While both of those gentlemen were drafted as high bonus products by the Sox system a few years ago, they have not done much to show their ability until the 2009 system and not sure that even Jed Hoyer would be all that inclined in SD to be willing to have them included as pieces in any Gonzalez trade, the Sox have mu;tiple middles IF prospects superior to especially Dent in Navarro, Derrick Gibson and probably even Oscar Tejada.

Weiand would be a young pitcher teams would be after more than likely, but of young pitchers from A Ball, imagine 19 year old Stolmey Pimental's name, followed by Alex Wilson would go 1 and 2, followed by Weiand and then Stephen Fife and then the bounty they have at the GCL and 1/2 season NYP league, not counting Doubtront, Bowden and Tazawa, plus Madison Younginer, Kendal Volz and a couple others that they picked up this year that did not get a chance to pitch (Wilson did).

Papelbon isn't worth that much.

How about Nick Green for Hanley Ramirez?

well we could take on josh johnson too if they need us too maybe cameron maybin too depending on if theo asks alot for green.

"Cubs probably don't trade Marmol stright up for Papelbon. Marmol near min. Paps $10+mil..."

You mean the guy who was initially passed over as closer in favor of Kevin Gregg then put up a near 8 BB/9 rate this year. Yeah, enjoy that delusion.

Clearly you all have forgotten the biggest trade chip of all: Ty Wigginton. Mr. Wigginton is a real veteran. Despite playing for terrible teams like the Pirates, Devil Rays, Astros, Orioles, and the Mets, he's still managed to put up great numbers. For instance, in 2006, he led the Devil Rays in RBIs. Other players who led their team in RBIs that season: Ryan Howard, Albert Pujols, and David Ortiz.

You know what else Wigginton is good at? Not clogging up the bases. He only walked 23 times in 436 plate appearances - even Mike Jacobs managed to walk almost twice that much.

So he can clear the bases and he doesn't clog them up. But what about defense? Well, Wigginton is a Gold Glove candidate at 1B, to follow in the exalted footsteps of that magician with the glove, Rafael Palmeiro. He's so good defensively, the O's played him at shortstop. You know who else played shortstop for the O's - Cesar Izturis! He's just that good.

Seriously, Wigginton is a great trade candidate for a team that needs a big bat, like... the Braves. Jason Heyward would be a satisfactory return - we'll even eat half of his salary, just for fun :-)

I can't believe that some people feel that Loney can be had for Maine and a dinky prospect. That is ridiculous. The Dodgers are shallow at 1B, especially in the farm and Loney is there for the future. He has only improved each year in the bigs, still young, and they think that he can develop power in his stick. He plays average/above average defense and is capable of .280+ and 100RBI's. That for Maine and a prospect? Please.

As for the "reaslistic" proposal for Prince or AGon, I would say something like Buccholz, Kelly, Westmoreland, Reddick and Kalish gets it done. Really though, Theo will just give them a list of prospects and have them choose 5 or 6 of them. I could also see Buccholz, Westmoreland, Reddick, Kalish, and two of either Bowden, Pimintel, Exposito or Navarro depending on team wants/needs.

if it takes buchholz then,

sox trade: kotchman,buchholz,anderson,bowden,pimentel.
brewers trade: Prince feilder,and either two of these guys, gamel,hart,hardy.

if they want buchholz and elsbury then,
sox trade: buchholz,elsbury,kotchman,anderson
brewers trade: prince,hart,gamel

I would definetly trade elsbury if we had to.

Trade Ellsbury resign Damon, right? LOL
First full season in the Majors for Ellsbury in CF, I rate an A. Im not trading him.

If you wanted to get Prince Fielder you would most likely have to give up Buccholz, Kelly, Reddick, and maybe someone like Exposito.

Any chance Hochevar with a couple other guys might be enough for the Royals to make a legitimate offer for Adrian Gonzalez?